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Fernando Torres bows out with 300 career goals for club & country, one Champions League and two Europa League titles, two European Championship titles and a World Cup. The end of the El Niño era.

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COMMENTS

  • S-BRO
    858 points Aug 23,2019, 10:19am

    The Gerrard/Torres partnership still gives me nightmares

  • Lasagsey
    1135 points Aug 23,2019, 8:44am

    Fuck. I remember his Euro 2008 winning goal like it was yesterday. For all the younger ones and people who missed out on this for different reasons.

  • keithohara
    576 points Aug 23,2019, 8:44am

    What a legend, wish it had worked out better at Chelsea, but he still had some good moments

  • MatheusKeller
    238 points Aug 23,2019, 8:54am

    Ac milan legend

  • ss2195
    35 points Aug 23,2019, 11:51am

    Never going to love a player the way I did this guy. Was phenomenal at his peak

  • Dufils
    70 points Aug 23,2019, 8:47am

    The end of the The Kid era.

  • kakarot12310
    31 points Aug 23,2019, 9:03am

    It is a shame Kobe play tennis with his team in his last game. Not to mention he missed two good chances. :( At least he managed to dribble past Villa.

  • 9180365437518
    77 points Aug 23,2019, 9:17am

    At one point, the best striker in the world. Farewell Fernando, thanks for all the beautiful memories

  • thetruthyoucanhandle
    37 points Aug 23,2019, 8:54am

    He was my hero growing up, so long el nino.

  • redemption_time
    63 points Aug 23,2019, 9:12am

    Didn't win a league?

  • RedDevil0723
    30 points Aug 23,2019, 9:03am

    Holy shit, the players of my generation are starting to retire :(.

  • ConsciousBook
    29 points Aug 23,2019, 1:08pm

    Fernando was perhaps the best #9 in the world from 2007-2009. Among his noteworthy moments was ushering in Spain's golden age from 2008-2012 with his sublime goal against Germany in the 2008 European Championship. He had amazing athleticism, intelligence, class, work rate, imposing hold-up play, and a fearsome shot. He is Spain's 3rd all-time leading scorer and Atletico's 2nd all-time leading scorer, and should be celebrated as a legend by both of them as well as Liverpool.

  • abhiiiiiii
    7 points Aug 23,2019, 12:09pm

    "....But how strange, Fernando. You haven't left yet and I miss you already."

  • Jadings
    13 points Aug 23,2019, 9:29am

    Easily my favorite striker of the mid/late 2000s along with Adriano. :(

  • MysticWandererr
    5 points Aug 23,2019, 8:53am

    i love him

  • NonContentiousScot
    6 points Aug 23,2019, 3:27pm

    Looking at this thread makes me realise how much people just ignore or are simply ignorant of player's performances outside of their time at Barcelona or Madrid. Perfect example is David Villa, he was Spain's best striker before he even got to Barcelona. Look at his record for Valencia and to a lesser extent Zaragoza (and remembering to not compare him to Messi and Ronaldo because they are freaks of nature).

    Adding in his Valencia teammate David Silva as an example too. He was fantastic at Valencia.

  • japalian
    6 points Aug 23,2019, 3:50pm

    Ayyy we're on the board

  • Dubsified
    13 points Aug 23,2019, 9:41am

    Milan Icon. Bullet header.

  • bizzbizz_89
    9 points Aug 23,2019, 1:10pm

    Other than Henry at Arsenal don’t think I’ve ever held my breath more when an opposition striker got the ball more than I did with Torres at Liverpool exciting and scary to watch use to tear vidic a new one

    Enjoy retirement champion

  • cain62
    3 points Aug 23,2019, 3:09pm

    Happy retirement legend. I’ll never stop supporting ya

  • Burakalaka99
    4 points Aug 23,2019, 4:33pm

    Absolute legend! That knee injury in 2010 really hurt his career but in his prime he was world class

  • aannoonn5678
    5 points Aug 23,2019, 4:50pm

    Gonna miss that beautiful bastard.

  • stokedsam
    3 points Aug 23,2019, 12:44pm

    Man!! Being in the time now where all my most beloved players are retiring is making me all sorts of emotional. Will always have so much love for Torres & watching him play in his prime was unforgettable. Injuries or not he was always gave his all, whatever that looked like at the time. Only respect for that. Gracias Niño

  • DigitalSea-
    3 points Aug 23,2019, 4:37pm

    Him and David Villa were absolute magic from about 08 to 2011ish. That spanish WC team was a treat to watch.

  • Elios4Freedom
    3 points Aug 23,2019, 4:38pm

    Just a single World Cup more than me... Thank you for being a "must buy" both in PES and in football manager

  • lil_keysy
    3 points Aug 23,2019, 5:02pm

    Will always love Torres for his goal against barca in the 2012 champions League.

  • wasted_tictac
    6 points Aug 23,2019, 11:32am

    THAT goal against Barcelona in 2012. His pricetag was repaid that night.

    I went into school the following day with the biggest smile in the world.

  • Applesaucecunts
    18 points Aug 23,2019, 8:45am

    The closest thing to R9 we had before the injuries. Absolute goal machine.

  • NB0608sd
    7 points Aug 23,2019, 10:20am

    Pretty good numbers considering he really fell off, and his numbers have been dissapointing, since he joined us (8 years ago). I wish things worked out better for him, and I will never forget his goal versus Barcelona (Neville orgasm).

    Pre-injury Torres was one of the most exciting strikers to watch. He had the right balance of strength and pace, scored some bangers, and generally had a pretty well rounded game (dribbling, shooting, heading, passing).

  • blacklugia134
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 11:56am

    Absolute legend, I remember when he was the exciting young guy, crazy to see him retire

  • jxcxkxx15
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 1:43pm

    He was one of the first people I remember idolising when I was younger

  • froggyjm9
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 1:56pm

    A shame he never won a league title.

  • NyleAhmad
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 2:54pm

    Childhood Hero

  • mti4
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 3:40pm

    his style reminds me Gabriel Batistuta

  • monkeyslut__
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 4:58pm

    Miss you Nando

  • Karoluz
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 5:36pm

    Yay!! AC Milan represents.

  • MisterManParts
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 6:41pm

    He was the reason I started watching football...

  • StairwayToLemon
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 2:34pm
  • kukaz00
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 11:30am

    Ac Milan?

  • AdiChandrashekar
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 11:51am

    AàTπ©>

  • kelevr4
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 11:52am

    "Adios La"

  • PradleyBitts
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 12:30pm

    All the icons of my youth retiring makes me sad. :(

  • jmbravo
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 12:40pm

    The El the El Niño El The

  • ze_kraken
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 2:00pm

    i'm not crying. you're crying.

  • srb92
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 2:05pm

    great career. good luck to him in his next endeavors

  • RomanGrande
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 2:36pm

    One of my memories of Torres is him scoring against us (United). He shot some orthodox shot that hit the top crossbar and it went in... he did this like twice... I think I've never feared seeing a player stand against us as I did with Torres... best wishes to him!

  • GrundleBeer
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:05pm

    MLS, MLS.

  • CrimsonFox11
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:09pm

    Rojiblanco eterno, gracias legenda

  • justaloadofshite
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:32pm

    How did he only score 6 in Japan

  • JNaran94
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:35pm

    De niño a leyenda. Still own a Torres shirt from almost when he first played with Atleti. One of my favourite players of all time

  • WE-LIKE-FORTNITE_222
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:47pm

    Was clearly unbelievable during his time at milan

  • Angel_Advocates
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:50pm

    FIFA 10 on the PSP made me like this guy and Liverpool.

  • AvadaKedavra_92
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:57pm

    The last proper striker that the Spanish national team has had. Well, according to me, anyways!

  • dillasdonuts
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 4:10pm

    I feel old.

  • fsychii
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 4:12pm

    My first favourite player

  • ElenaGrizzy
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 4:20pm

    I still remember when he started playing in Atlético de Madrid when our club was at its worst time. Torres was the only good thing in that atleti, like a kind of reminder that we Were a big club once. When he left to Liverpool I was so sad and Liverpool became my second club because of him.

  • pawgpredator
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 4:21pm

    Thanks Fernando!

  • gdodd12
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 4:37pm

    Thanks for your 1 stupid goal at Milan.

  • MohammadJacob
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:05pm

    I remember him when he first started in atletico.. Such an awesome striker

  • diamond280779
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:19pm

    His career ended when he went to Chelsea

  • Cody667
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:31pm

    Respect. I started following footy in 2009 and Torres was the main factor in me initially choosing to support Liverpool. Thanks to him I ended up walking the path towards falling in love with this club. You were one of the best in your hay day YNWA.

  • mcclanewick
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:33pm

    I love this guy!

  • mcclanewick
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:34pm

    07-09 God!

  • cookiesandginge
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:42pm

    Fuck, what a legend

  • ChickenBalotelli
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:44pm

    It’s been the end of the El Niño era for 10 years now

  • vancity1607
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:49pm

    His Armband proved he was a RED!! thanks for the all the fantastic goals

  • _theMAUCHO_
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 6:06pm

    Thank you for everything Niño Torres, enjoyed your Liverpool CL nights so much as a kiddo. Thanks for so much!!:)

  • redditone19
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 6:08pm

    El niño always crash Barça but i still love him. In the world cup he made the assit to Iniesta I think. Anyway a pure 9!!

  • udontreddit
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 6:09pm

    Remember him from the time when he scored against Barcelona in the semi final.

  • PauloDybala_10
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 6:16pm

    Torres and Villa, when fully fit and in form was one of the most terrifying partnerships

  • limewired
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 6:29pm

    Was about to say 'how is it that iniesta looks so much older than torres when they're the same age..." ooooh right, he's El Niño.....

  • Thizzicist
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 6:47pm

    Time for the MLS?

  • Davidism8118
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 7:00pm

    So long champ 😢

  • mourad91
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 7:13pm

    As a Chelsea fan, even though it didn't work out, all the best to Nando, his attitude was always great.

  • wigglerworm
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 7:17pm

    Was he first name I learned playing soccer, still my favourite and always will be. Thanks for some phenomenal entertainment. Will be missed but I hope he enjoys retirement.

  • phz10
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 8:06pm

    His work ethic really reflects with all us fans. Had some low moments but always appreciated for trying his best. Enjoy retirement champion.

  • rya11111
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 8:12pm

    I still remember Spain’s World Cup finals like yesterday and how awesome it was. Truly one of the best games ever.

    Enjoy retirement Torres will always be a fan

  • Damian_D-MAN
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 8:16pm

    Thank you Niño, you made me love football and Liverpool.

  • pippy64598
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 8:25pm

    6-1 loss in his last game, ouch.

  • lambomrclago
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 9:45am

    Decent career :'D

  • Azlan82
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 10:49am

    did he never win a domestic title?

  • potter_boltz
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 1:30pm

    I will always remember Torres for his goal against Barcelona in the Champion's League semi-final. My hero. Farewell El Niño!

  • MrDrinken
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 2:10pm

    It has been an era four like 4 years max tbh

  • Hanzee-Malvo
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 4:27pm

    Bang average

  • PM_CAPYBARA_PICS
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:13pm

    His 'era' ended about 10 years ago

  • yukpurtsun
    -6 points Aug 23,2019, 9:10am

    I love watching his goal compilation at Liverpool, almost all his goals are just perfectly placed finishes. Ball glides off his foot so smooth, very few screamers.

    If I had gotten into football a few years later I could see myself becoming a Liverpool fan but I saw Henry and bergkamp first

  • m1207
    0 points Aug 23,2019, 11:22am

    Its funny he never seemed like a world class striker(after his liverpool days i mean) he really was an underrated striker

  • Kaleidoscope-Eyes-
    0 points Aug 23,2019, 12:17pm

    It's a shame he never won anything at Liverpool. Spent the prime of his career there and missed out on trophies.

  • Warack
    0 points Aug 23,2019, 6:24pm

    As someone who’s second favorite team is Liverpool and fourth favorite team is Chelsea, I have very mixed feelings on his career

  • yidarmyidarmyid
    -2 points Aug 23,2019, 3:38pm

    Nino era? This era ended with Chelsea.

  • Squiggles87
    -1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:31pm

    Amazing player. The best out and out striker I've ever seen live. Suarez was a freakish talent capable of the sublime, but took a bit longer to settle and improve his finishing. Not Torres. We knew we had signed a world class forward from day one. That goal against Chelsea was the opener and from then on, just wow. He could score from anywhere. Keepers were never safe. He scored some goals where every single touch was quite literally perfect and were just simply brilliant.

    Broke my heart and lose my respect when he left. With hindsight you can understand it, but as a football fan I don't care. It hurt. He was brilliant at self PR, he seemed to 'get' the club and became an honorary scouser. Seeing him in the blue of Chelsea - at a time when we had quite an intense rivalry with, after some very intense CL matches - just felt all kinds of wrong. Daniel Agger smashing his elbow into the face of Torres on his Chelsea debut was incredibly satisfying. I don't care how that sounds. It was.

    I was happy with him returning to Atletico and played out his career where he was respected.

    Hope he has a long and happy retirement.

  • Hogiecookiez
    -3 points Aug 23,2019, 11:47am

    Rent boy

COMMENTS

  • S-BRO
    858 points Aug 23,2019, 10:19am

    The Gerrard/Torres partnership still gives me nightmares

  • Lasagsey
    1135 points Aug 23,2019, 8:44am

    Fuck. I remember his Euro 2008 winning goal like it was yesterday. For all the younger ones and people who missed out on this for different reasons.

  • keithohara
    576 points Aug 23,2019, 8:44am

    What a legend, wish it had worked out better at Chelsea, but he still had some good moments

  • yoko_o_no
    218 points Aug 23,2019, 8:51am

    I'm interested to know. When you think of Torres what club do you think of?

  • MatheusKeller
    238 points Aug 23,2019, 8:54am

    Ac milan legend

  • ss2195
    35 points Aug 23,2019, 11:51am

    Never going to love a player the way I did this guy. Was phenomenal at his peak

  • Dufils
    70 points Aug 23,2019, 8:47am

    The end of the The Kid era.

  • kakarot12310
    31 points Aug 23,2019, 9:03am

    It is a shame Kobe play tennis with his team in his last game. Not to mention he missed two good chances. :( At least he managed to dribble past Villa.

  • 9180365437518
    77 points Aug 23,2019, 9:17am

    At one point, the best striker in the world. Farewell Fernando, thanks for all the beautiful memories

  • thetruthyoucanhandle
    37 points Aug 23,2019, 8:54am

    He was my hero growing up, so long el nino.

  • redemption_time
    63 points Aug 23,2019, 9:12am

    Didn't win a league?

  • RedDevil0723
    30 points Aug 23,2019, 9:03am

    Holy shit, the players of my generation are starting to retire :(.

  • ConsciousBook
    29 points Aug 23,2019, 1:08pm

    Fernando was perhaps the best #9 in the world from 2007-2009. Among his noteworthy moments was ushering in Spain's golden age from 2008-2012 with his sublime goal against Germany in the 2008 European Championship. He had amazing athleticism, intelligence, class, work rate, imposing hold-up play, and a fearsome shot. He is Spain's 3rd all-time leading scorer and Atletico's 2nd all-time leading scorer, and should be celebrated as a legend by both of them as well as Liverpool.

  • abhiiiiiii
    7 points Aug 23,2019, 12:09pm

    "....But how strange, Fernando. You haven't left yet and I miss you already."

  • Jadings
    13 points Aug 23,2019, 9:29am

    Easily my favorite striker of the mid/late 2000s along with Adriano. :(

  • MysticWandererr
    5 points Aug 23,2019, 8:53am

    i love him

  • NonContentiousScot
    6 points Aug 23,2019, 3:27pm

    Looking at this thread makes me realise how much people just ignore or are simply ignorant of player's performances outside of their time at Barcelona or Madrid. Perfect example is David Villa, he was Spain's best striker before he even got to Barcelona. Look at his record for Valencia and to a lesser extent Zaragoza (and remembering to not compare him to Messi and Ronaldo because they are freaks of nature).

    Adding in his Valencia teammate David Silva as an example too. He was fantastic at Valencia.

  • japalian
    6 points Aug 23,2019, 3:50pm

    Ayyy we're on the board

  • Dubsified
    13 points Aug 23,2019, 9:41am

    Milan Icon. Bullet header.

  • bizzbizz_89
    9 points Aug 23,2019, 1:10pm

    Other than Henry at Arsenal don’t think I’ve ever held my breath more when an opposition striker got the ball more than I did with Torres at Liverpool exciting and scary to watch use to tear vidic a new one

    Enjoy retirement champion

  • cain62
    3 points Aug 23,2019, 3:09pm

    Happy retirement legend. I’ll never stop supporting ya

  • Burakalaka99
    4 points Aug 23,2019, 4:33pm

    Absolute legend! That knee injury in 2010 really hurt his career but in his prime he was world class

  • aannoonn5678
    5 points Aug 23,2019, 4:50pm

    Gonna miss that beautiful bastard.

  • stokedsam
    3 points Aug 23,2019, 12:44pm

    Man!! Being in the time now where all my most beloved players are retiring is making me all sorts of emotional. Will always have so much love for Torres & watching him play in his prime was unforgettable. Injuries or not he was always gave his all, whatever that looked like at the time. Only respect for that. Gracias Niño

  • DigitalSea-
    3 points Aug 23,2019, 4:37pm

    Him and David Villa were absolute magic from about 08 to 2011ish. That spanish WC team was a treat to watch.

  • Elios4Freedom
    3 points Aug 23,2019, 4:38pm

    Just a single World Cup more than me... Thank you for being a "must buy" both in PES and in football manager

  • lil_keysy
    3 points Aug 23,2019, 5:02pm

    Will always love Torres for his goal against barca in the 2012 champions League.

  • wasted_tictac
    6 points Aug 23,2019, 11:32am

    THAT goal against Barcelona in 2012. His pricetag was repaid that night.

    I went into school the following day with the biggest smile in the world.

  • Applesaucecunts
    18 points Aug 23,2019, 8:45am

    The closest thing to R9 we had before the injuries. Absolute goal machine.

  • NB0608sd
    7 points Aug 23,2019, 10:20am

    Pretty good numbers considering he really fell off, and his numbers have been dissapointing, since he joined us (8 years ago). I wish things worked out better for him, and I will never forget his goal versus Barcelona (Neville orgasm).

    Pre-injury Torres was one of the most exciting strikers to watch. He had the right balance of strength and pace, scored some bangers, and generally had a pretty well rounded game (dribbling, shooting, heading, passing).

  • blacklugia134
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 11:56am

    Absolute legend, I remember when he was the exciting young guy, crazy to see him retire

  • jxcxkxx15
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 1:43pm

    He was one of the first people I remember idolising when I was younger

  • froggyjm9
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 1:56pm

    A shame he never won a league title.

  • NyleAhmad
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 2:54pm

    Childhood Hero

  • mti4
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 3:40pm

    his style reminds me Gabriel Batistuta

  • monkeyslut__
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 4:58pm

    Miss you Nando

  • Karoluz
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 5:36pm

    Yay!! AC Milan represents.

  • MisterManParts
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 6:41pm

    He was the reason I started watching football...

  • StairwayToLemon
    2 points Aug 23,2019, 2:34pm
  • kukaz00
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 11:30am

    Ac Milan?

  • AdiChandrashekar
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 11:51am

    AàTπ©>

  • kelevr4
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 11:52am

    "Adios La"

  • PradleyBitts
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 12:30pm

    All the icons of my youth retiring makes me sad. :(

  • jmbravo
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 12:40pm

    The El the El Niño El The

  • ze_kraken
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 2:00pm

    i'm not crying. you're crying.

  • srb92
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 2:05pm

    great career. good luck to him in his next endeavors

  • RomanGrande
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 2:36pm

    One of my memories of Torres is him scoring against us (United). He shot some orthodox shot that hit the top crossbar and it went in... he did this like twice... I think I've never feared seeing a player stand against us as I did with Torres... best wishes to him!

  • GrundleBeer
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:05pm

    MLS, MLS.

  • CrimsonFox11
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:09pm

    Rojiblanco eterno, gracias legenda

  • justaloadofshite
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:32pm

    How did he only score 6 in Japan

  • JNaran94
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:35pm

    De niño a leyenda. Still own a Torres shirt from almost when he first played with Atleti. One of my favourite players of all time

  • WE-LIKE-FORTNITE_222
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:47pm

    Was clearly unbelievable during his time at milan

  • Angel_Advocates
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:50pm

    FIFA 10 on the PSP made me like this guy and Liverpool.

  • AvadaKedavra_92
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 3:57pm

    The last proper striker that the Spanish national team has had. Well, according to me, anyways!

  • dillasdonuts
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 4:10pm

    I feel old.

  • fsychii
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 4:12pm

    My first favourite player

  • ElenaGrizzy
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 4:20pm

    I still remember when he started playing in Atlético de Madrid when our club was at its worst time. Torres was the only good thing in that atleti, like a kind of reminder that we Were a big club once. When he left to Liverpool I was so sad and Liverpool became my second club because of him.

  • pawgpredator
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 4:21pm

    Thanks Fernando!

  • gdodd12
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 4:37pm

    Thanks for your 1 stupid goal at Milan.

  • MohammadJacob
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:05pm

    I remember him when he first started in atletico.. Such an awesome striker

  • diamond280779
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:19pm

    His career ended when he went to Chelsea

  • Cody667
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:31pm

    Respect. I started following footy in 2009 and Torres was the main factor in me initially choosing to support Liverpool. Thanks to him I ended up walking the path towards falling in love with this club. You were one of the best in your hay day YNWA.

  • mcclanewick
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:33pm

    I love this guy!

  • mcclanewick
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:34pm

    07-09 God!

  • cookiesandginge
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:42pm

    Fuck, what a legend

  • ChickenBalotelli
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:44pm

    It’s been the end of the El Niño era for 10 years now

  • vancity1607
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:49pm

    His Armband proved he was a RED!! thanks for the all the fantastic goals

  • _theMAUCHO_
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 6:06pm

    Thank you for everything Niño Torres, enjoyed your Liverpool CL nights so much as a kiddo. Thanks for so much!!:)

  • redditone19
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 6:08pm

    El niño always crash Barça but i still love him. In the world cup he made the assit to Iniesta I think. Anyway a pure 9!!

  • udontreddit
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 6:09pm

    Remember him from the time when he scored against Barcelona in the semi final.

  • PauloDybala_10
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 6:16pm

    Torres and Villa, when fully fit and in form was one of the most terrifying partnerships

  • limewired
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 6:29pm

    Was about to say 'how is it that iniesta looks so much older than torres when they're the same age..." ooooh right, he's El Niño.....

  • Thizzicist
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 6:47pm

    Time for the MLS?

  • Davidism8118
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 7:00pm

    So long champ 😢

  • mourad91
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 7:13pm

    As a Chelsea fan, even though it didn't work out, all the best to Nando, his attitude was always great.

  • wigglerworm
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 7:17pm

    Was he first name I learned playing soccer, still my favourite and always will be. Thanks for some phenomenal entertainment. Will be missed but I hope he enjoys retirement.

  • phz10
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 8:06pm

    His work ethic really reflects with all us fans. Had some low moments but always appreciated for trying his best. Enjoy retirement champion.

  • rya11111
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 8:12pm

    I still remember Spain’s World Cup finals like yesterday and how awesome it was. Truly one of the best games ever.

    Enjoy retirement Torres will always be a fan

  • Damian_D-MAN
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 8:16pm

    Thank you Niño, you made me love football and Liverpool.

  • pippy64598
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 8:25pm

    6-1 loss in his last game, ouch.

  • lambomrclago
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 9:45am

    Decent career :'D

  • Azlan82
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 10:49am

    did he never win a domestic title?

  • potter_boltz
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 1:30pm

    I will always remember Torres for his goal against Barcelona in the Champion's League semi-final. My hero. Farewell El Niño!

  • MrDrinken
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 2:10pm

    It has been an era four like 4 years max tbh

  • Hanzee-Malvo
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 4:27pm

    Bang average

  • PM_CAPYBARA_PICS
    1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:13pm

    His 'era' ended about 10 years ago

  • yukpurtsun
    -6 points Aug 23,2019, 9:10am

    I love watching his goal compilation at Liverpool, almost all his goals are just perfectly placed finishes. Ball glides off his foot so smooth, very few screamers.

    If I had gotten into football a few years later I could see myself becoming a Liverpool fan but I saw Henry and bergkamp first

  • m1207
    0 points Aug 23,2019, 11:22am

    Its funny he never seemed like a world class striker(after his liverpool days i mean) he really was an underrated striker

  • Kaleidoscope-Eyes-
    0 points Aug 23,2019, 12:17pm

    It's a shame he never won anything at Liverpool. Spent the prime of his career there and missed out on trophies.

  • Warack
    0 points Aug 23,2019, 6:24pm

    As someone who’s second favorite team is Liverpool and fourth favorite team is Chelsea, I have very mixed feelings on his career

  • yidarmyidarmyid
    -2 points Aug 23,2019, 3:38pm

    Nino era? This era ended with Chelsea.

  • Squiggles87
    -1 points Aug 23,2019, 5:31pm

    Amazing player. The best out and out striker I've ever seen live. Suarez was a freakish talent capable of the sublime, but took a bit longer to settle and improve his finishing. Not Torres. We knew we had signed a world class forward from day one. That goal against Chelsea was the opener and from then on, just wow. He could score from anywhere. Keepers were never safe. He scored some goals where every single touch was quite literally perfect and were just simply brilliant.

    Broke my heart and lose my respect when he left. With hindsight you can understand it, but as a football fan I don't care. It hurt. He was brilliant at self PR, he seemed to 'get' the club and became an honorary scouser. Seeing him in the blue of Chelsea - at a time when we had quite an intense rivalry with, after some very intense CL matches - just felt all kinds of wrong. Daniel Agger smashing his elbow into the face of Torres on his Chelsea debut was incredibly satisfying. I don't care how that sounds. It was.

    I was happy with him returning to Atletico and played out his career where he was respected.

    Hope he has a long and happy retirement.

  • Hogiecookiez
    -3 points Aug 23,2019, 11:47am

    Rent boy

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Why VAR can never be definitive

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COMMENTS

  • MisterGone5
    3692 points Aug 18,2019, 10:59am

    Everyone should be aware that the only source for VAR running at 50 frames per second is that Sky HDTV broadcasts at 50 frames per second.

    The VAR officials absolutely have access to video running at a higher framerate than that broadcasted out on Sky, so the entire basis of this argument is defunct. The margin of error for 120 fps video would be 5.7cm per frame, 240fps 2.85cm, and 500fps ~1.4cm.

    Edit: Ultra-Motion Cameras provided by Hawk-Eye work up to 340 fps. The VAR system uses 8 slow-motion and 4 ultra-motion cameras

    With a 340 fps utra-motion camera, the "margin of error" using the Daily Mail's 23.4kph (which isn't sourced either lol) from one frame to another would be 1.91cm.

  • i-spye
    428 points Aug 18,2019, 10:36am

    I'm going to need a better source than the Daily Mail to believe they are only using 50fps cameras for something where they need such a high degree of precision to make calls.

    There's no way they aren't using 200-300fps cameras for VAR.

  • RickmanLives
    957 points Aug 18,2019, 9:49am

    Cameras can shoot at much higher frame rate than 50 FPS.Saying it can “never” be accurate is just false.

  • TypicalTank
    276 points Aug 18,2019, 10:18am

    They don't shoot at 50fps lol

  • Watoskyv
    268 points Aug 18,2019, 9:46am

    It's the best we have at the moment, it's better than a linesman at spotting offside.
    It's not because it's not perfect that we have to settle for less?

  • thethomatoman
    22 points Aug 18,2019, 1:56pm

    Get this shit propaganda out of here

  • ArribaBetis
    19 points Aug 18,2019, 10:24am

    Where is the source on VAR cameras only being 50FPS? Are the folks at the Daily Mail just chatting shit again because that sounds simply too dumb to be true.

  • I647
    104 points Aug 18,2019, 9:46am

    Is VAR more accurate than the linesman? If yes, keep it. Not that difficult. VAR doesn't have to be 100% accurate. It just has to be more accurate than a linesman.

  • jouh55142139
    71 points Aug 18,2019, 10:01am

    Well a question that no one is asking is, is there really a discernible advantage to being 2.4 cm offside? The whole purpose is to prevent attackers from cherry picking. It insures that neither defender nor attacker have advantage toward the ball. Can we argue that 2.4 cm is an advantage.

    Sterling did everything right there, caught them sleeping and made a well timed run that was off by 2.4 cm. I can’t call that offside or unfair advantage personally, but some of you might. Weren’t there old rules about needing daylight between attacker and defender?

  • Kagariii
    260 points Aug 18,2019, 9:44am

    I have been saying that since the start. If it comes down to those margins, it should not be applied. Only for clear oversights

  • mannyonate
    7 points Aug 18,2019, 12:32pm

    You got silver for posting a graphic that just isn’t accurate. Misinformation is real

  • mtgchaoticreaper
    20 points Aug 18,2019, 10:50am

    The problem is that the offside rule was never meant to be scrutinized down to the millimeter. It was meant to prevent teams that send their attackers to be meters behind the other teams defense or just waiting at the goal itself. It was meant to be a rule that the human eye could enforce on a case by case basis. The attacker being ahead of the line by a few inches is not something the offside rule was put in place for

  • skali_
    17 points Aug 18,2019, 9:46am

    This is really a moot point as long as humans have the last say. Var is an assistant not a replacement. It has dramatically reduced the margin of error compared to no var, and has removed the potential for some really obvious refereeing mistakes affecting the outcome of the game, which was previously the case.

    Im sure var implementation for these marginal calls are going to improve to be less disruptive etc. in the end its still a human being that decides.

  • Kaniyan_Poongunran
    29 points Aug 18,2019, 9:45am

    VAR using video technology is far more definitive than human eyes (Linesmen ) so this logic is stupid.

    But not surprising its Daily Mail considering they have been wierdly ranting about VAR for some time now.

  • FPLsmu
    13 points Aug 18,2019, 9:43am

    Call went against City so I ll allow it

  • i_accidently_reddit
    9 points Aug 18,2019, 11:43am

    offside is a rule that was introduced to eliminate goal hanging.

    it was never intended to be the razor thing margins where a hairs width to far means you're out the way were using it now.

  • PenPaperShotgun
    8 points Aug 18,2019, 11:50am

    Bollocks. We have super slow mo cameras filming every game and you can show every frame and know the exact time a ball was played

  • GiniHasImprovedLoads
    16 points Aug 18,2019, 10:45am

    So bored of the anti-VAR agenda. We’re getting better decisions now. Anybody expecting 100% of decisions to be correct is just wilfully ignorant. It’s not 100% but it’s far better than just letting the refs make split decisions on the spot.

  • ModricTHFC
    4 points Aug 18,2019, 9:56am

    This is the result of a Jonathan Wilson tweet midweek

    https://twitter.com/jonawils/status/1160241782506086401?s=09

  • couch_cushion_dorito
    4 points Aug 18,2019, 12:19pm

    Is it supposed to be definitive, or simply a tool used for correcting obvious erroneous calls on the pitch that have big consequences for the game?

    The refs are human and don't always have good sightlines for every call, isn't it just supposed to be a safety net?

  • georgepearl_04
    4 points Aug 18,2019, 3:43pm

    Quit whinging, why a 0.1second difference matters.

  • ModcatTom
    14 points Aug 18,2019, 9:45am

    Decent argument but I don't think however, that it really proves that VAR can never be definitive, suggests more that they get cameras with a higher frame rate.

  • Tim-Sanchez
    27 points Aug 18,2019, 9:41am

    Image taken from the Daily Mail.

    I'm not a fan of the Mail, but I thought it's an interesting graphic, especially around "clear and obvious". Sports like cricket have a margin of error where you stick to the on-field call, should football consider a margin of error? So if you're offside by under 5cm, you accept that the technology isn't that precise? One major issue I can see is the linesmen being encouraged to keep their flags down, meaning the benefit would always go to the attacker, though I know some people prefer that.

    If you can't read the text in the image, here it is:

    USING the tight offside given against Raheem Sterling last weekend as an example, it can be shown how VAR has a margin of error that means officials sometimes cannot be certain if someone is offside.

    1. Imaging software showed Sterling to be 2.4cm offside ( just under an inch). Sterling was moving at about 14.5mph (23.4kph). Cameras used by VAR run at 50 frames per second. In the 0.02 secs between frames, he would move 13cm. If he was 2.4cm offside at Frame B that means he was 10.6cm onside at Frame A when the ball was about to be played.

    2. VAR has to use the frame which shows the ball has categorically been played but the exact ‘first point of contact’ is likely to have been between Frame A and Frame B. At an unknown point between those frames, Sterling went from onside to offside.

    3. VAR cannot have known for certain when the ball was played so there is a 13cm margin of error on a decision which ruled Sterling 2.4cm offside. It could be bigger than that too. The faster players move in opposite directions, the larger the margin of error.

  • Hipsterjanus
    9 points Aug 18,2019, 9:43am

    Surely the have multiple cameras, no?

  • Conscient-
    6 points Aug 18,2019, 9:49am

    It's more than obvious that VAR gets more framerate than what we see on TV.

  • ElliotDX
    14 points Aug 18,2019, 9:44am

    13cm is a pretty sizeable margin of error

  • -r4zi3l-
    3 points Aug 18,2019, 11:43am

    Just need better cameras with higher framerate. It's the sport that moves the most money on the planet, so budget isn't an issue.

    Edit: i believed this article with no reason. They are not 50 fps and the issue is negligible.

  • TheMGR19
    3 points Aug 18,2019, 1:14pm

    VAR has shown that having rules which are subjective or rely on determining accidental contract are poorly written rules. The problem isn’t VAR, it’s that the laws of the game weren’t updated when VAR was introduced.

  • zPnkr
    3 points Aug 18,2019, 1:37pm

    A hell lot more definitive than a person running up and down the field trying to look at two things at the same time for 90 minutes

  • Deluhathol
    3 points Aug 18,2019, 2:14pm

    Without even doing any research, they is no way in hell the VAR cameras are only able to record 50 fps. I can record 240 fps footage on my phone

  • ScottiApso
    7 points Aug 18,2019, 9:54am

    Bad point, there's always a margin of error, same with Goal Line Technology. As long as the same rule is applied to everyone it's fine.

    As for people arguing for a clear offside, that's dumb. You're just moving the margin for error and in most times increasing the margin.

  • maxwellhouseeyes
    4 points Aug 18,2019, 11:57am

    When it comes down to minutiae like this, can't we accept that it really doesn't matter? The offside rule wasn't made to be nitpicked over so much. The whole idea of the rule in the first place was to stop goal hanging and make the game more competitive.

    When someone gets called centimetres offside, it just seems out of the spirit of the game.

  • LucozadeBottle1pCoin
    8 points Aug 18,2019, 9:47am

    Honestly at that distance just call it onside. The offside rule wasn't introduced to deal with minor infractions like that. If the player has timed his run perfectly to within 0.02 seconds then it's definitely within the spirit of the law if not the letter to let play continue.

  • cheeerioos
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 11:11am

    I completely understand the rationale here. My issue is: the margin of error will be different based on speed, running angle, etc. Are we going to use a single margin of error? If so, we are back to the same issue being debated here. If we want to change it based on those variables, how are we going to define it? I don’t think we have the technology to automate that, at least not yet.

    Similarly, if the margin of error is 12.0cm (just for argument’s sake), what if the person is 12.1cm or 11.9cm off? Do we really think we won’t have the same discussion we are having now?

    VAR isn’t perfect. But right now, at least it’s incredibly clear what the criteria are for offside.

  • hubristank
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 11:18am

    https://i.imgur.com/N28K2f4.jpg edit: fuck i forgot to give him a red lightsabre

  • Cathal321
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 11:31am

    If the people running VAR can't look at a still image without lines and clearly identify that it's offside then it shouldn't count. The offside has to be clear and obvious because otherwise you're ruling out goals that were perfectly fine and causing unnecessary controversy.

  • FreedumbHS
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 11:49am

    Just upgrade the cameras. Never, my ass

  • shazzchili
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 12:10pm

    Offside now is determined by armpit hair

  • ChlckenChaser
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 12:29pm

    does this imply that a linesman 30 yards away trying to look through a bunch of players whilst also checking the exact moment the player played the ball is going to be more accurate?

  • KeiserSoze24
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 1:17pm

    The rule is black and white regarding VAR. soccer been played since forever this is a new radical change. It’ll take a while to get it right. Rn the whole soccer community is watching closely. Changes will be made.

  • Altruistic_Carrot
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 2:06pm

    This is why VAR currently can't be definitive, not never.

  • CrouchingPuma
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 2:20pm

    A) this picture is wrong because it assumes they only have 50 fps, which is a comically stupid thing to assume.

    B) Of course it isn't 100% perfect, but even if it's only 0.01% more definitive than real life then it's worth it. And we know it's a much bigger improvement than that, and will only get better as time goes on.

  • Warsteiner_Fan96
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 3:28pm

    Doesn’t this explanation assume that the Offside Line (where the 2nd last defender is) is constant? But in reality, this defender would likely also be moving in the same direction as Sterling, making the margin of error (distance that Sterling has covered between frames, in respect to the shifting Offside line) smaller?

  • expertAnalsis
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 3:43pm

    First of all you should compare bar to the naked eye,this sort of comparison is redundant,well what would you rather have refree making blunders or VAR sometimes having slight errors due to slim margins ! Come on your argument and article which looks from a stupid Indian newspaper is weak.

  • Xarantor
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 4:01pm

    I watch a lot of cycling(Tour de France for example) and there are differnt kind of cameras that build the picture in different ways to avoid that issue. Instead of building the picture from top to bottom from left to right u can do it from left to right, but from the exact same timeframe bcs with a "normal" camera u would get the bottom person in a later timeframe. If it works in cycling races with over 60km/h u can be sure it works good enough in a footballgame.

  • invinciblee
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 4:54pm

    we did it boys, var is no more

  • non-relevant
    3 points Aug 18,2019, 10:58am

    this graphic also perfectly illustrates my argument the other day that the current "any goalscoring body part" definition of the law disadvantages attacking players, or specifically attacking runs.

    Due to a good attacking run having the player running towards the goal at the moment of the pass, and a good defensive run having the player running away from the goal, being "in line" actually requires the attacking player to be disadvantaged in his starting position by a good 50cm go 1 metre, rather than simply a "not advantaged" position

    edit: my long-winded explanation of what I mean from an older comment:

    but in this case timing your run perfectly means either being further back with your feet than the defender, rather than in line, or somehow running while leaning your body the other way

    like imagine an attacker and defender standing face to face in identical, positions on an exact line. the player is onside. now imagine there's a teammate who can pass to the attacker. A good attacking run would require anticipating the pass but not running past the defender until the pass has been made. but in this scenario, if the attacking player times his anticipation perfectly and leans forward right as the pass is about to be made, but only actually moves, ie. runs, once the pass has left the foot, he'd be offside simply for anticipating.

    a defender however can anticipate the moment before a pass and step up, free to lean and anticipate however he likes. this means defenders are allowed to anticipate where attackers are not.

    that's my point, that in order for an attacker to anticipate a pass, required for making a good run, their feet in fact need to be further back than that of the defender, meaning their starting position has to actually be inferior to the defender's for it not to be offside, rather than them having to be in a beneficiary position for it to be offside.

    So from an equal footing, defenders are allowed to anticipate while attackers are only allowed to react to passes

    feel like i'm being really long in trying to explain something proper simple

  • flamboyant11
    3 points Aug 18,2019, 9:55am

    Yes, and this is why "unobvious mistakes" shouldnt be reversed. Offsides shouldnt be decided by 2-3 centimeters

    That Sterling goal was not an offside, Celtas goal yesterday was not an offside etc etc

  • lak47
    4 points Aug 18,2019, 10:55am

    City media and PR cell in full effect now.

  • Rubixsco
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 9:50am

    I like VAR but for offside calls they should definitely have some BoD towards the attacker.

  • JurijFedorov
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 9:56am

    Jesus turns off the light and climbs into bed. A mechanical sound comes from the door. Jesus opens his eyes and sees a monster with a square head. It's VAR. Watching him, judging him, following his every movement, but never fair.

  • Troll_Sauce
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:12am

    Why don't they just use 120fps?

  • putcoolusernamehere
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:18am

    They should calculate a margin of error for these calls, and if it falls within that, the refs call stands.

  • IamHaydenR
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:20am

    Are we not bound to continue to increase the fps tho?

  • ElectricFrankie
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:22am

    I’m confused, is he still not offside though?

  • shiftylookingcow
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:37am

    So use higher frame rate cameras for VAR? Why isn't that an option?

  • Panigale_
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:42am

    Pretty sure the law states that the benefit of doubt always goes to the attacker. So really its not writing a new law if a margin of error was introduced.

  • MrTiq
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:50am

    Flex Phantom will fix these troubles.

  • HarryTheHairyAreola
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:50am

    While the math is correct, the initial assumptions of 50 FPS and 14.5 MPH are too weak to take this seriously. Cool graphic, though.

  • Leg__Day
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:57am

    VAR is there to help refs out, why is this a hard concept?

  • OmegaEleven
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:58am

    Seems like an easy fix once we have high refresh rate cameras recording VAR footage in the future. But still, even then you cannot ever make a perfect offside call because of a multitude of factors. When exactly has the passer released the ball so he's not touching it at all? Where does the arm end and the shoulder begin of the attacking player, you can score with one but not with the other, so you can't measure that exactly too. When it comes to tight calls like that it's better to be on the cautious side and give the offside.

  • Aidsfart_
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:06am

    Just use the Umpire's Call system from Cricket.

  • kaykiki93
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:08am

    Minor detail but true not detrimental though

  • cd1310
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:15am

    Just put lines every millimeter of the pitch and trackers on the players. Simple fix

  • frezKo_gooner
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:16am

    To be fair, I bet the side line's referee has a larger of margin than error.

  • Rocket-the-squirrel
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:17am

    It’s still better then the human eye so does this really matter?

  • SNAPCHAT_ME_TITS
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:18am

    For offside*

  • lilkwanza
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:20am

    Lol how can VAR cameras be only running at 50 fps?

  • DetectiveEames
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:26am

    Serious question: why is the hand/arm considered in an offside call such as this when the hand/arm is not a playable part of the body? If the shoulder, foot, head breaks the plane of offside then I can understand it. But the arm? How does the arm being offside give the player an advantage if it can’t be use to play the ball?

  • AlwaysMakingBadPuns
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:27am

    500fps*

    Either it's a typo or the whole article is inaccurate.

    My guess is the latter sadly.

  • RedDolphinSquirtGun
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:37am

    VAR is needed and this is a start. I seriously doubt the frame rate is only 50fps. One could also argue when the exact moment of the forward "pass" takes place. Like, is it when the ball first touches the foot or when the ball leaves the foot. How would the time it takes for the ball to contact the foot, compress, expand, and then leave the foot compare to this time in between frames?

  • next_DanDy
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:38am

    What body part is always taken in consideration for off-side? Does the head count? The arms? Or feet?

  • EricCantonaInSpace
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:41am

    More definitive than any human or combination of humans could ever be though, so I don't see why people keep using this as an argument against it.

  • aliensarehere
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:55am

    Use timestamps.

  • zadwahm
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:58am

    Now try this in the last century of naked eyed referrees

  • tapped21
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 12:06pm

    Rather have VAR make the call than the linesman

  • 752Juliusb999
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 12:16pm

    VAR does not have a defined margin of error. A human is reviewing footage, not a robot

  • dinosaur-ant
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 12:36pm

    recent research in computer vision suggests that it might be possible to interpolate between two frames accurately

  • Jamaryn
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 12:38pm

    I assumed VAR was using high speed cameras.

  • doompope
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:04pm

    its fucking quantum mate

  • Evan_cole
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:05pm

    Somewhere around this point we need to make a decision. If it's uncertain maybe it should go in favor of the attacker if. At the end of the day, football is a game of centimeters, but offsides shouldn't be where games are decided. At some point we need to recognize that the small centimeter advantages are not why the offside rule exists and if it's literally in between frames I don't think the defense should get bailed out.

  • TheElite3740
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:06pm

    Now saying it without crying

  • Hieillua
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:08pm

    Been saying this for a while. VAR as a concept is great but the rules have to be changed to adapt to the way they use VAR. Offside for example needs to be changed. Because being 0.0001 mm offside is ridiculous. VAR should detect things that would've also been detectable by a human. Such a tiny bit of offside couldn't ever been seen by a ref. Real life football isn't Fifa 19.

  • Free_Joty
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:28pm

    Higher FPS camera???

  • 2daMooon
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:34pm

    We've had VAR in MLS for a while and I've always thought that using it to plot out if someone was 1 cm offside vs 1 cm onside is a stupid usage of it.

    The rule is there so that people don't stand two feet offside and gain a huge advantage. If it takes a Video Ref gain frame by frame to maybe call it offside or not then just let the call on the field stand (which should be benefit to the attacker).

    I get that technically it is a "clear and obvious error" because offside is supposed to be black and white, but the reality is that there is a margin of error and so things like Sterling's offside are not clear and obvious mistakes enough for VAR to overturn to call on the field.

  • turbo1480
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:47pm

    City already trying to shit talk VAR

  • gudakesha
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:52pm

    If the linesman looks at the ball the moment it is played he cannot accurately assess offside if the attacker is outside his field of view.

    If he looks at the player who is potentially offside to judge his position he has to determine the moment the ball is played by ear. In that case the speed of sound vs the speed of light introduces its own error.

    Higher speed cameras at least have the potential to reduce the margin of error.

  • hopelessromantic7
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:53pm

    The other thing is how do you know where his armpit starts

  • ELDOR-King
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:55pm

    Well. If this is a general statement that all measurements are associated with errors, then that is nothing new. Science is doing this for quite some time.

    Then football has to decide what is worse: a) a goal given that was offside, or b) a goal not given cause of offside, although in fact there was no offside. Fans and players generally seem to agree that b) is worse.

    Then we need a confidence intervall and everything would be crystal clear. There is no problem whether it was "actually" offside. If we cannot confidentl tell with our technology that it is offside, then it is not offside.

    The framerate is only one source of error. Actually drawing the line is also not trivial, depending on the accuracy we want.

  • HarshangLad
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 2:21pm

    God I shouldn't have bunked Math classes for football

  • MicroJackson88
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 2:31pm

    If only people spent as much time arguing about more importnant matters as they do for fucking VAR

  • unimpeccable
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 2:35pm

    Now do one for goal line technology and how Liverpool actually won the league last year.

  • sliversniper
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 2:44pm

    If it cannot be perfect let's do nothing to better it.

    Not to mention using a linesman a.k.a moving human to determine offside is dumb idea at the first place

  • GingerFurball
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 2:45pm

    There needs to be the equivalent of cricket's umpire's call for offside decisions.

  • MarketMeltdown
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:01pm

    Will Var become a political tool of the richest teams?

  • Atlaffinity75
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:02pm

    What’s the margin of error for identifying somebody’s armpit.

    Even if the cameras are accurate, how is the shoulder being determined.

  • CWarder
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:04pm

    I think calling offside this tight is out of the spirit of the rule. The rule is to discourage cherry picking behavior, and keep the players tighter. An inch or two on either side isnt really the spirit I personally think.

  • RaiausderDose
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:14pm

    Oh, soccer follows the rules of physics. no shit. It's the best we can do, better than nothing.

  • messyj4343
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:30pm

    You could have a drone or mini robot on a rail system trained to stay in line with the last defender

  • IIJOSEPHXII
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:35pm

    I used tivo to check Man City's third goal against West Ham and in two consecutive frames one was before the player crossed the ball and the next frame was after the ball was struck. There was no frame in between which showed the player making contact with the ball.

    The thing is, in the first frame the attacker was onside and in the second frame he was offside. The TV station (BT Sport) showed the second frame in its replay and the commentator said it was offside, then VAR came back and used the first frame to rule that he was onside.

    What they need is cameras with more frames per second to capture the precise moment a player makes contact with the ball when playing a forward pass.

  • Rivertadores
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:36pm

    We need eye hawk, like tennis

  • JDRorschach
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:48pm

    The absolute state of City fans.

  • mattcg10
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:20pm

    All the players are just going to have to naruto run

  • marcus__lfc
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:25pm

    Thankfully the pause button exists

  • maxoys45
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:27pm

    Why is nobody discussing how the point where a shoulder becomes an arm is not at all clear? And would vary from player to player?

  • MisterBilau
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:30pm

    All posts claiming anything related to technology can "NEVR" be are BS. There's no technical limitation that forces VAR cameras to run at 50fps forever, even if they do now (which I don't know). Bunch of bull.

  • Fransiscu
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:31pm

    welcome to var?

  • Colonel_Getafe
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:32pm

    Borderline decisions will always be an issue. What VAR does is put an end to blatantly wrong decisions.

  • Doubleyoupee
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:43pm

    Or....they should shoot at higher fps...

  • travelator
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:05pm

    Wait...in the image provided isn’t the player offside at both A and B? The offside rule states that any part of the body which can score a goal (in this case his head) is in front of the last defender when the ball is played, and his head touches the black line of B which is clearly further than the last defender...am I missing something?

  • IkepaI
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:05pm

    if you gonna use precise numbers then use precise scale m8.

  • dbandit1
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:22pm

    What a ridiculous article

  • willgeld
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:22pm

    What a load of bollocks

  • imbued94
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:38pm

    Imagine thinking they use 50 fps camera in this day and age, my phone has 69 fps camera ffs.

  • xtrmx
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:45pm

    This is why I never thought the TV replays were fair on the ref, when HD television was introduced and they started screenfreezing the offside situation at the 'exact' moment the ball was played it felt like it wasn't realistic as there's no way for the ref to see this.

    I always thought screenfreezing when the ball already left the feet, which often was the norm before, was more fair. In any case it seems like some margin of error should be built in; the rule should be changed so 'close calls' are in fact on-side, so VAR isn't so unrealisticly used on every offside call.

  • Teaboy1
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:45pm

    Mountains out of mole hills comes to mind here. Yes as a city fan its frustrating to have goals wiped off and the fact its happened two games in a row to us clearly shows that; FIFA, UEFA, The FA, The President, The Queen and King Kong are all conspiring to stops us winning the league again.

    It'll even itself out amongst all sides over the season. The most attacking sides will be penalised the most due to the amount of times their in a position that can alter the game. VAR is frustrating but it's only going to make the game better.

  • jonnythefoxx
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:45pm

    Your infographic is wrong and you should feel bad.

  • MagicMagMM
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:51pm

    Minecraft runs with more fps than that wtf

  • khalbur
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:54pm

    Better than not having it.

  • Reyske_
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 6:22pm

    It's all about corruption, you could handpick a frame with an offside despite having one without an offside for like a whole minute of a play, VAR was meant to erase corruption and ease decisions but it only deepens the problem.

    That's why some fans argue that some teams are calling VAR to gain an edge and referees are listening to them, like River Plate at Libertadores, "let's pressure a VAR to get something from it".

    IMHO it only worsen the problem.

  • Sputniki
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 8:00pm

    "Never" is a strong word. Clearly the issue exists because of framerate. Framerate can be increased with technology over time. As with all things, VAR is a work in progress. It will improve.

  • shaq2wade
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 8:17pm

    Fuck VAR

  • MrPZA82
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 8:17pm

    City fans getting creative with their crying now. Two cups and the league not enough for the greedy shits.

  • fa_kinsit
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 8:19pm

    VAR is against the spirit of the game as far as I’m concerned. There are much bigger issues which should have been addressed before looking at VAR. Diving, hounding the ref, time wasting, faking injuries, racism to name a few. Wrong calls by the ref are as much a part of the game as Tottenham not winning a trophy, or Man City’s financial doping, or this being Liverpool’s year, or Arsenal’s defense being comical.

    As fans, we long remember the pain of injustice of a wrong call, a goal ruled out for offside, a goal ruled in despite being offside, or a handball not given. Some of the most iconic moments in the history of the game would have been just another overturned decision by VAR. From Geoff Hurst’s second in 1966, Maradona’s Hand Of God in 86, Josip Simunic’s three yellow cards in Germany, to Pedro Mendes’ legitimate long range goal embarrassing Roy Carroll at Old Trafford being ruled out, Van Persie’s red card against Barcelona or Rooney’s dive to end the Invincibles run.

    Just look at Man City’s 5-0 opening day win, one goal ruled in and one ruled out, in the end it made fuck all difference to the end result but it ended up making the spectacle of VAR feeling like a decision from the third umpire in cricket and took the emotion out of the decisions. No thanks. If I wanted exact rules I’d watch cricket, or American football or just stick to FIFA. The whole point since the inception of the rules was that they are an interpretation at the discretion of the referee. Not something to review every five minutes.

    Me, I prefer the old way, even if it costs my team dearly, for that was always within the spirit of the game rather than the sanitized crap the game will become.

  • LazyCynic7
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 8:34pm

    Fake news, the camera is likely 500fps, also the human body is a moving object so we can calculate how much it moved in the time between frames.

    Cmon guys, the whole argument of Var not being accurate is so old.

  • Beard_treats
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:13am

    Would it be possible to add something like GPS sensors in the players boots and the ball so they can pinpoint exact locations of all the players? I sure there are some technical hurdles to clear but why rely on a visual review if there is, in theory, a way to be more exact? Aside from the technical issues, and probably cost, are there other drawbacks I'm not thinking of?

  • LuukSkywalker
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:21am

    FUCKING THANK YOU

  • afcaMouz
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:46am

    I prefer the way the Eredivisie handles VAR. No technology, but only replays. If the VAR assistant can't see a clear offside on replays then he can't make the call so there's still a margin of error.

  • JamalHNguyen
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:54am

    The problem isn't VAR. VAR is just exposing how poorly written some of the laws of the game are.

  • ProbzConfused
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:19am

    Well in frame B he is off so VAR is correct. Fuck this infographic

COMMENTS

  • MisterGone5
    3692 points Aug 18,2019, 10:59am

    Everyone should be aware that the only source for VAR running at 50 frames per second is that Sky HDTV broadcasts at 50 frames per second.

    The VAR officials absolutely have access to video running at a higher framerate than that broadcasted out on Sky, so the entire basis of this argument is defunct. The margin of error for 120 fps video would be 5.7cm per frame, 240fps 2.85cm, and 500fps ~1.4cm.

    Edit: Ultra-Motion Cameras provided by Hawk-Eye work up to 340 fps. The VAR system uses 8 slow-motion and 4 ultra-motion cameras

    With a 340 fps utra-motion camera, the "margin of error" using the Daily Mail's 23.4kph (which isn't sourced either lol) from one frame to another would be 1.91cm.

  • i-spye
    428 points Aug 18,2019, 10:36am

    I'm going to need a better source than the Daily Mail to believe they are only using 50fps cameras for something where they need such a high degree of precision to make calls.

    There's no way they aren't using 200-300fps cameras for VAR.

  • RickmanLives
    957 points Aug 18,2019, 9:49am

    Cameras can shoot at much higher frame rate than 50 FPS.Saying it can “never” be accurate is just false.

  • ajgmcc
    1006 points Aug 18,2019, 9:49am

    There needs to be a margin of error. Cricket has been using Hawkeye for years and understands it has a margin of error that means whatever the initial decision of the umpire stands.

    Football has to figure out its margin of error and apply it, otherwise offside decisions will always look weird.

  • TypicalTank
    276 points Aug 18,2019, 10:18am

    They don't shoot at 50fps lol

  • Watoskyv
    268 points Aug 18,2019, 9:46am

    It's the best we have at the moment, it's better than a linesman at spotting offside.
    It's not because it's not perfect that we have to settle for less?

  • thethomatoman
    22 points Aug 18,2019, 1:56pm

    Get this shit propaganda out of here

  • ArribaBetis
    19 points Aug 18,2019, 10:24am

    Where is the source on VAR cameras only being 50FPS? Are the folks at the Daily Mail just chatting shit again because that sounds simply too dumb to be true.

  • I647
    104 points Aug 18,2019, 9:46am

    Is VAR more accurate than the linesman? If yes, keep it. Not that difficult. VAR doesn't have to be 100% accurate. It just has to be more accurate than a linesman.

  • jouh55142139
    71 points Aug 18,2019, 10:01am

    Well a question that no one is asking is, is there really a discernible advantage to being 2.4 cm offside? The whole purpose is to prevent attackers from cherry picking. It insures that neither defender nor attacker have advantage toward the ball. Can we argue that 2.4 cm is an advantage.

    Sterling did everything right there, caught them sleeping and made a well timed run that was off by 2.4 cm. I can’t call that offside or unfair advantage personally, but some of you might. Weren’t there old rules about needing daylight between attacker and defender?

  • Kagariii
    260 points Aug 18,2019, 9:44am

    I have been saying that since the start. If it comes down to those margins, it should not be applied. Only for clear oversights

  • mannyonate
    7 points Aug 18,2019, 12:32pm

    You got silver for posting a graphic that just isn’t accurate. Misinformation is real

  • mtgchaoticreaper
    20 points Aug 18,2019, 10:50am

    The problem is that the offside rule was never meant to be scrutinized down to the millimeter. It was meant to prevent teams that send their attackers to be meters behind the other teams defense or just waiting at the goal itself. It was meant to be a rule that the human eye could enforce on a case by case basis. The attacker being ahead of the line by a few inches is not something the offside rule was put in place for

  • skali_
    17 points Aug 18,2019, 9:46am

    This is really a moot point as long as humans have the last say. Var is an assistant not a replacement. It has dramatically reduced the margin of error compared to no var, and has removed the potential for some really obvious refereeing mistakes affecting the outcome of the game, which was previously the case.

    Im sure var implementation for these marginal calls are going to improve to be less disruptive etc. in the end its still a human being that decides.

  • Kaniyan_Poongunran
    29 points Aug 18,2019, 9:45am

    VAR using video technology is far more definitive than human eyes (Linesmen ) so this logic is stupid.

    But not surprising its Daily Mail considering they have been wierdly ranting about VAR for some time now.

  • FPLsmu
    13 points Aug 18,2019, 9:43am

    Call went against City so I ll allow it

  • i_accidently_reddit
    9 points Aug 18,2019, 11:43am

    offside is a rule that was introduced to eliminate goal hanging.

    it was never intended to be the razor thing margins where a hairs width to far means you're out the way were using it now.

  • PenPaperShotgun
    8 points Aug 18,2019, 11:50am

    Bollocks. We have super slow mo cameras filming every game and you can show every frame and know the exact time a ball was played

  • GiniHasImprovedLoads
    16 points Aug 18,2019, 10:45am

    So bored of the anti-VAR agenda. We’re getting better decisions now. Anybody expecting 100% of decisions to be correct is just wilfully ignorant. It’s not 100% but it’s far better than just letting the refs make split decisions on the spot.

  • ModricTHFC
    4 points Aug 18,2019, 9:56am

    This is the result of a Jonathan Wilson tweet midweek

    https://twitter.com/jonawils/status/1160241782506086401?s=09

  • couch_cushion_dorito
    4 points Aug 18,2019, 12:19pm

    Is it supposed to be definitive, or simply a tool used for correcting obvious erroneous calls on the pitch that have big consequences for the game?

    The refs are human and don't always have good sightlines for every call, isn't it just supposed to be a safety net?

  • georgepearl_04
    4 points Aug 18,2019, 3:43pm

    Quit whinging, why a 0.1second difference matters.

  • ModcatTom
    14 points Aug 18,2019, 9:45am

    Decent argument but I don't think however, that it really proves that VAR can never be definitive, suggests more that they get cameras with a higher frame rate.

  • Tim-Sanchez
    27 points Aug 18,2019, 9:41am

    Image taken from the Daily Mail.

    I'm not a fan of the Mail, but I thought it's an interesting graphic, especially around "clear and obvious". Sports like cricket have a margin of error where you stick to the on-field call, should football consider a margin of error? So if you're offside by under 5cm, you accept that the technology isn't that precise? One major issue I can see is the linesmen being encouraged to keep their flags down, meaning the benefit would always go to the attacker, though I know some people prefer that.

    If you can't read the text in the image, here it is:

    USING the tight offside given against Raheem Sterling last weekend as an example, it can be shown how VAR has a margin of error that means officials sometimes cannot be certain if someone is offside.

    1. Imaging software showed Sterling to be 2.4cm offside ( just under an inch). Sterling was moving at about 14.5mph (23.4kph). Cameras used by VAR run at 50 frames per second. In the 0.02 secs between frames, he would move 13cm. If he was 2.4cm offside at Frame B that means he was 10.6cm onside at Frame A when the ball was about to be played.

    2. VAR has to use the frame which shows the ball has categorically been played but the exact ‘first point of contact’ is likely to have been between Frame A and Frame B. At an unknown point between those frames, Sterling went from onside to offside.

    3. VAR cannot have known for certain when the ball was played so there is a 13cm margin of error on a decision which ruled Sterling 2.4cm offside. It could be bigger than that too. The faster players move in opposite directions, the larger the margin of error.

  • Hipsterjanus
    9 points Aug 18,2019, 9:43am

    Surely the have multiple cameras, no?

  • Conscient-
    6 points Aug 18,2019, 9:49am

    It's more than obvious that VAR gets more framerate than what we see on TV.

  • ElliotDX
    14 points Aug 18,2019, 9:44am

    13cm is a pretty sizeable margin of error

  • -r4zi3l-
    3 points Aug 18,2019, 11:43am

    Just need better cameras with higher framerate. It's the sport that moves the most money on the planet, so budget isn't an issue.

    Edit: i believed this article with no reason. They are not 50 fps and the issue is negligible.

  • TheMGR19
    3 points Aug 18,2019, 1:14pm

    VAR has shown that having rules which are subjective or rely on determining accidental contract are poorly written rules. The problem isn’t VAR, it’s that the laws of the game weren’t updated when VAR was introduced.

  • zPnkr
    3 points Aug 18,2019, 1:37pm

    A hell lot more definitive than a person running up and down the field trying to look at two things at the same time for 90 minutes

  • Deluhathol
    3 points Aug 18,2019, 2:14pm

    Without even doing any research, they is no way in hell the VAR cameras are only able to record 50 fps. I can record 240 fps footage on my phone

  • ScottiApso
    7 points Aug 18,2019, 9:54am

    Bad point, there's always a margin of error, same with Goal Line Technology. As long as the same rule is applied to everyone it's fine.

    As for people arguing for a clear offside, that's dumb. You're just moving the margin for error and in most times increasing the margin.

  • maxwellhouseeyes
    4 points Aug 18,2019, 11:57am

    When it comes down to minutiae like this, can't we accept that it really doesn't matter? The offside rule wasn't made to be nitpicked over so much. The whole idea of the rule in the first place was to stop goal hanging and make the game more competitive.

    When someone gets called centimetres offside, it just seems out of the spirit of the game.

  • LucozadeBottle1pCoin
    8 points Aug 18,2019, 9:47am

    Honestly at that distance just call it onside. The offside rule wasn't introduced to deal with minor infractions like that. If the player has timed his run perfectly to within 0.02 seconds then it's definitely within the spirit of the law if not the letter to let play continue.

  • cheeerioos
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 11:11am

    I completely understand the rationale here. My issue is: the margin of error will be different based on speed, running angle, etc. Are we going to use a single margin of error? If so, we are back to the same issue being debated here. If we want to change it based on those variables, how are we going to define it? I don’t think we have the technology to automate that, at least not yet.

    Similarly, if the margin of error is 12.0cm (just for argument’s sake), what if the person is 12.1cm or 11.9cm off? Do we really think we won’t have the same discussion we are having now?

    VAR isn’t perfect. But right now, at least it’s incredibly clear what the criteria are for offside.

  • hubristank
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 11:18am

    https://i.imgur.com/N28K2f4.jpg edit: fuck i forgot to give him a red lightsabre

  • Cathal321
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 11:31am

    If the people running VAR can't look at a still image without lines and clearly identify that it's offside then it shouldn't count. The offside has to be clear and obvious because otherwise you're ruling out goals that were perfectly fine and causing unnecessary controversy.

  • FreedumbHS
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 11:49am

    Just upgrade the cameras. Never, my ass

  • shazzchili
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 12:10pm

    Offside now is determined by armpit hair

  • ChlckenChaser
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 12:29pm

    does this imply that a linesman 30 yards away trying to look through a bunch of players whilst also checking the exact moment the player played the ball is going to be more accurate?

  • KeiserSoze24
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 1:17pm

    The rule is black and white regarding VAR. soccer been played since forever this is a new radical change. It’ll take a while to get it right. Rn the whole soccer community is watching closely. Changes will be made.

  • Altruistic_Carrot
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 2:06pm

    This is why VAR currently can't be definitive, not never.

  • CrouchingPuma
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 2:20pm

    A) this picture is wrong because it assumes they only have 50 fps, which is a comically stupid thing to assume.

    B) Of course it isn't 100% perfect, but even if it's only 0.01% more definitive than real life then it's worth it. And we know it's a much bigger improvement than that, and will only get better as time goes on.

  • Warsteiner_Fan96
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 3:28pm

    Doesn’t this explanation assume that the Offside Line (where the 2nd last defender is) is constant? But in reality, this defender would likely also be moving in the same direction as Sterling, making the margin of error (distance that Sterling has covered between frames, in respect to the shifting Offside line) smaller?

  • expertAnalsis
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 3:43pm

    First of all you should compare bar to the naked eye,this sort of comparison is redundant,well what would you rather have refree making blunders or VAR sometimes having slight errors due to slim margins ! Come on your argument and article which looks from a stupid Indian newspaper is weak.

  • Xarantor
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 4:01pm

    I watch a lot of cycling(Tour de France for example) and there are differnt kind of cameras that build the picture in different ways to avoid that issue. Instead of building the picture from top to bottom from left to right u can do it from left to right, but from the exact same timeframe bcs with a "normal" camera u would get the bottom person in a later timeframe. If it works in cycling races with over 60km/h u can be sure it works good enough in a footballgame.

  • invinciblee
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 4:54pm

    we did it boys, var is no more

  • non-relevant
    3 points Aug 18,2019, 10:58am

    this graphic also perfectly illustrates my argument the other day that the current "any goalscoring body part" definition of the law disadvantages attacking players, or specifically attacking runs.

    Due to a good attacking run having the player running towards the goal at the moment of the pass, and a good defensive run having the player running away from the goal, being "in line" actually requires the attacking player to be disadvantaged in his starting position by a good 50cm go 1 metre, rather than simply a "not advantaged" position

    edit: my long-winded explanation of what I mean from an older comment:

    but in this case timing your run perfectly means either being further back with your feet than the defender, rather than in line, or somehow running while leaning your body the other way

    like imagine an attacker and defender standing face to face in identical, positions on an exact line. the player is onside. now imagine there's a teammate who can pass to the attacker. A good attacking run would require anticipating the pass but not running past the defender until the pass has been made. but in this scenario, if the attacking player times his anticipation perfectly and leans forward right as the pass is about to be made, but only actually moves, ie. runs, once the pass has left the foot, he'd be offside simply for anticipating.

    a defender however can anticipate the moment before a pass and step up, free to lean and anticipate however he likes. this means defenders are allowed to anticipate where attackers are not.

    that's my point, that in order for an attacker to anticipate a pass, required for making a good run, their feet in fact need to be further back than that of the defender, meaning their starting position has to actually be inferior to the defender's for it not to be offside, rather than them having to be in a beneficiary position for it to be offside.

    So from an equal footing, defenders are allowed to anticipate while attackers are only allowed to react to passes

    feel like i'm being really long in trying to explain something proper simple

  • flamboyant11
    3 points Aug 18,2019, 9:55am

    Yes, and this is why "unobvious mistakes" shouldnt be reversed. Offsides shouldnt be decided by 2-3 centimeters

    That Sterling goal was not an offside, Celtas goal yesterday was not an offside etc etc

  • lak47
    4 points Aug 18,2019, 10:55am

    City media and PR cell in full effect now.

  • Rubixsco
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 9:50am

    I like VAR but for offside calls they should definitely have some BoD towards the attacker.

  • JurijFedorov
    2 points Aug 18,2019, 9:56am

    Jesus turns off the light and climbs into bed. A mechanical sound comes from the door. Jesus opens his eyes and sees a monster with a square head. It's VAR. Watching him, judging him, following his every movement, but never fair.

  • Troll_Sauce
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:12am

    Why don't they just use 120fps?

  • putcoolusernamehere
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:18am

    They should calculate a margin of error for these calls, and if it falls within that, the refs call stands.

  • IamHaydenR
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:20am

    Are we not bound to continue to increase the fps tho?

  • ElectricFrankie
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:22am

    I’m confused, is he still not offside though?

  • shiftylookingcow
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:37am

    So use higher frame rate cameras for VAR? Why isn't that an option?

  • Panigale_
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:42am

    Pretty sure the law states that the benefit of doubt always goes to the attacker. So really its not writing a new law if a margin of error was introduced.

  • MrTiq
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:50am

    Flex Phantom will fix these troubles.

  • HarryTheHairyAreola
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:50am

    While the math is correct, the initial assumptions of 50 FPS and 14.5 MPH are too weak to take this seriously. Cool graphic, though.

  • Leg__Day
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:57am

    VAR is there to help refs out, why is this a hard concept?

  • OmegaEleven
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:58am

    Seems like an easy fix once we have high refresh rate cameras recording VAR footage in the future. But still, even then you cannot ever make a perfect offside call because of a multitude of factors. When exactly has the passer released the ball so he's not touching it at all? Where does the arm end and the shoulder begin of the attacking player, you can score with one but not with the other, so you can't measure that exactly too. When it comes to tight calls like that it's better to be on the cautious side and give the offside.

  • Aidsfart_
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:06am

    Just use the Umpire's Call system from Cricket.

  • kaykiki93
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:08am

    Minor detail but true not detrimental though

  • cd1310
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:15am

    Just put lines every millimeter of the pitch and trackers on the players. Simple fix

  • frezKo_gooner
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:16am

    To be fair, I bet the side line's referee has a larger of margin than error.

  • Rocket-the-squirrel
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:17am

    It’s still better then the human eye so does this really matter?

  • SNAPCHAT_ME_TITS
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:18am

    For offside*

  • lilkwanza
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:20am

    Lol how can VAR cameras be only running at 50 fps?

  • DetectiveEames
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:26am

    Serious question: why is the hand/arm considered in an offside call such as this when the hand/arm is not a playable part of the body? If the shoulder, foot, head breaks the plane of offside then I can understand it. But the arm? How does the arm being offside give the player an advantage if it can’t be use to play the ball?

  • AlwaysMakingBadPuns
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:27am

    500fps*

    Either it's a typo or the whole article is inaccurate.

    My guess is the latter sadly.

  • RedDolphinSquirtGun
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:37am

    VAR is needed and this is a start. I seriously doubt the frame rate is only 50fps. One could also argue when the exact moment of the forward "pass" takes place. Like, is it when the ball first touches the foot or when the ball leaves the foot. How would the time it takes for the ball to contact the foot, compress, expand, and then leave the foot compare to this time in between frames?

  • next_DanDy
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:38am

    What body part is always taken in consideration for off-side? Does the head count? The arms? Or feet?

  • EricCantonaInSpace
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:41am

    More definitive than any human or combination of humans could ever be though, so I don't see why people keep using this as an argument against it.

  • aliensarehere
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:55am

    Use timestamps.

  • zadwahm
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:58am

    Now try this in the last century of naked eyed referrees

  • tapped21
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 12:06pm

    Rather have VAR make the call than the linesman

  • 752Juliusb999
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 12:16pm

    VAR does not have a defined margin of error. A human is reviewing footage, not a robot

  • dinosaur-ant
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 12:36pm

    recent research in computer vision suggests that it might be possible to interpolate between two frames accurately

  • Jamaryn
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 12:38pm

    I assumed VAR was using high speed cameras.

  • doompope
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:04pm

    its fucking quantum mate

  • Evan_cole
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:05pm

    Somewhere around this point we need to make a decision. If it's uncertain maybe it should go in favor of the attacker if. At the end of the day, football is a game of centimeters, but offsides shouldn't be where games are decided. At some point we need to recognize that the small centimeter advantages are not why the offside rule exists and if it's literally in between frames I don't think the defense should get bailed out.

  • TheElite3740
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:06pm

    Now saying it without crying

  • Hieillua
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:08pm

    Been saying this for a while. VAR as a concept is great but the rules have to be changed to adapt to the way they use VAR. Offside for example needs to be changed. Because being 0.0001 mm offside is ridiculous. VAR should detect things that would've also been detectable by a human. Such a tiny bit of offside couldn't ever been seen by a ref. Real life football isn't Fifa 19.

  • Free_Joty
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:28pm

    Higher FPS camera???

  • 2daMooon
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:34pm

    We've had VAR in MLS for a while and I've always thought that using it to plot out if someone was 1 cm offside vs 1 cm onside is a stupid usage of it.

    The rule is there so that people don't stand two feet offside and gain a huge advantage. If it takes a Video Ref gain frame by frame to maybe call it offside or not then just let the call on the field stand (which should be benefit to the attacker).

    I get that technically it is a "clear and obvious error" because offside is supposed to be black and white, but the reality is that there is a margin of error and so things like Sterling's offside are not clear and obvious mistakes enough for VAR to overturn to call on the field.

  • turbo1480
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:47pm

    City already trying to shit talk VAR

  • gudakesha
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:52pm

    If the linesman looks at the ball the moment it is played he cannot accurately assess offside if the attacker is outside his field of view.

    If he looks at the player who is potentially offside to judge his position he has to determine the moment the ball is played by ear. In that case the speed of sound vs the speed of light introduces its own error.

    Higher speed cameras at least have the potential to reduce the margin of error.

  • hopelessromantic7
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:53pm

    The other thing is how do you know where his armpit starts

  • ELDOR-King
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 1:55pm

    Well. If this is a general statement that all measurements are associated with errors, then that is nothing new. Science is doing this for quite some time.

    Then football has to decide what is worse: a) a goal given that was offside, or b) a goal not given cause of offside, although in fact there was no offside. Fans and players generally seem to agree that b) is worse.

    Then we need a confidence intervall and everything would be crystal clear. There is no problem whether it was "actually" offside. If we cannot confidentl tell with our technology that it is offside, then it is not offside.

    The framerate is only one source of error. Actually drawing the line is also not trivial, depending on the accuracy we want.

  • HarshangLad
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 2:21pm

    God I shouldn't have bunked Math classes for football

  • MicroJackson88
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 2:31pm

    If only people spent as much time arguing about more importnant matters as they do for fucking VAR

  • unimpeccable
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 2:35pm

    Now do one for goal line technology and how Liverpool actually won the league last year.

  • sliversniper
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 2:44pm

    If it cannot be perfect let's do nothing to better it.

    Not to mention using a linesman a.k.a moving human to determine offside is dumb idea at the first place

  • GingerFurball
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 2:45pm

    There needs to be the equivalent of cricket's umpire's call for offside decisions.

  • MarketMeltdown
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:01pm

    Will Var become a political tool of the richest teams?

  • Atlaffinity75
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:02pm

    What’s the margin of error for identifying somebody’s armpit.

    Even if the cameras are accurate, how is the shoulder being determined.

  • CWarder
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:04pm

    I think calling offside this tight is out of the spirit of the rule. The rule is to discourage cherry picking behavior, and keep the players tighter. An inch or two on either side isnt really the spirit I personally think.

  • RaiausderDose
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:14pm

    Oh, soccer follows the rules of physics. no shit. It's the best we can do, better than nothing.

  • messyj4343
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:30pm

    You could have a drone or mini robot on a rail system trained to stay in line with the last defender

  • IIJOSEPHXII
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:35pm

    I used tivo to check Man City's third goal against West Ham and in two consecutive frames one was before the player crossed the ball and the next frame was after the ball was struck. There was no frame in between which showed the player making contact with the ball.

    The thing is, in the first frame the attacker was onside and in the second frame he was offside. The TV station (BT Sport) showed the second frame in its replay and the commentator said it was offside, then VAR came back and used the first frame to rule that he was onside.

    What they need is cameras with more frames per second to capture the precise moment a player makes contact with the ball when playing a forward pass.

  • Rivertadores
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:36pm

    We need eye hawk, like tennis

  • JDRorschach
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 3:48pm

    The absolute state of City fans.

  • mattcg10
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:20pm

    All the players are just going to have to naruto run

  • marcus__lfc
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:25pm

    Thankfully the pause button exists

  • maxoys45
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:27pm

    Why is nobody discussing how the point where a shoulder becomes an arm is not at all clear? And would vary from player to player?

  • MisterBilau
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:30pm

    All posts claiming anything related to technology can "NEVR" be are BS. There's no technical limitation that forces VAR cameras to run at 50fps forever, even if they do now (which I don't know). Bunch of bull.

  • Fransiscu
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:31pm

    welcome to var?

  • Colonel_Getafe
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:32pm

    Borderline decisions will always be an issue. What VAR does is put an end to blatantly wrong decisions.

  • Doubleyoupee
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 4:43pm

    Or....they should shoot at higher fps...

  • travelator
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:05pm

    Wait...in the image provided isn’t the player offside at both A and B? The offside rule states that any part of the body which can score a goal (in this case his head) is in front of the last defender when the ball is played, and his head touches the black line of B which is clearly further than the last defender...am I missing something?

  • IkepaI
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:05pm

    if you gonna use precise numbers then use precise scale m8.

  • dbandit1
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:22pm

    What a ridiculous article

  • willgeld
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:22pm

    What a load of bollocks

  • imbued94
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:38pm

    Imagine thinking they use 50 fps camera in this day and age, my phone has 69 fps camera ffs.

  • xtrmx
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:45pm

    This is why I never thought the TV replays were fair on the ref, when HD television was introduced and they started screenfreezing the offside situation at the 'exact' moment the ball was played it felt like it wasn't realistic as there's no way for the ref to see this.

    I always thought screenfreezing when the ball already left the feet, which often was the norm before, was more fair. In any case it seems like some margin of error should be built in; the rule should be changed so 'close calls' are in fact on-side, so VAR isn't so unrealisticly used on every offside call.

  • Teaboy1
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:45pm

    Mountains out of mole hills comes to mind here. Yes as a city fan its frustrating to have goals wiped off and the fact its happened two games in a row to us clearly shows that; FIFA, UEFA, The FA, The President, The Queen and King Kong are all conspiring to stops us winning the league again.

    It'll even itself out amongst all sides over the season. The most attacking sides will be penalised the most due to the amount of times their in a position that can alter the game. VAR is frustrating but it's only going to make the game better.

  • jonnythefoxx
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:45pm

    Your infographic is wrong and you should feel bad.

  • MagicMagMM
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:51pm

    Minecraft runs with more fps than that wtf

  • khalbur
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 5:54pm

    Better than not having it.

  • Reyske_
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 6:22pm

    It's all about corruption, you could handpick a frame with an offside despite having one without an offside for like a whole minute of a play, VAR was meant to erase corruption and ease decisions but it only deepens the problem.

    That's why some fans argue that some teams are calling VAR to gain an edge and referees are listening to them, like River Plate at Libertadores, "let's pressure a VAR to get something from it".

    IMHO it only worsen the problem.

  • Sputniki
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 8:00pm

    "Never" is a strong word. Clearly the issue exists because of framerate. Framerate can be increased with technology over time. As with all things, VAR is a work in progress. It will improve.

  • shaq2wade
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 8:17pm

    Fuck VAR

  • MrPZA82
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 8:17pm

    City fans getting creative with their crying now. Two cups and the league not enough for the greedy shits.

  • fa_kinsit
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 8:19pm

    VAR is against the spirit of the game as far as I’m concerned. There are much bigger issues which should have been addressed before looking at VAR. Diving, hounding the ref, time wasting, faking injuries, racism to name a few. Wrong calls by the ref are as much a part of the game as Tottenham not winning a trophy, or Man City’s financial doping, or this being Liverpool’s year, or Arsenal’s defense being comical.

    As fans, we long remember the pain of injustice of a wrong call, a goal ruled out for offside, a goal ruled in despite being offside, or a handball not given. Some of the most iconic moments in the history of the game would have been just another overturned decision by VAR. From Geoff Hurst’s second in 1966, Maradona’s Hand Of God in 86, Josip Simunic’s three yellow cards in Germany, to Pedro Mendes’ legitimate long range goal embarrassing Roy Carroll at Old Trafford being ruled out, Van Persie’s red card against Barcelona or Rooney’s dive to end the Invincibles run.

    Just look at Man City’s 5-0 opening day win, one goal ruled in and one ruled out, in the end it made fuck all difference to the end result but it ended up making the spectacle of VAR feeling like a decision from the third umpire in cricket and took the emotion out of the decisions. No thanks. If I wanted exact rules I’d watch cricket, or American football or just stick to FIFA. The whole point since the inception of the rules was that they are an interpretation at the discretion of the referee. Not something to review every five minutes.

    Me, I prefer the old way, even if it costs my team dearly, for that was always within the spirit of the game rather than the sanitized crap the game will become.

  • LazyCynic7
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 8:34pm

    Fake news, the camera is likely 500fps, also the human body is a moving object so we can calculate how much it moved in the time between frames.

    Cmon guys, the whole argument of Var not being accurate is so old.

  • Beard_treats
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:13am

    Would it be possible to add something like GPS sensors in the players boots and the ball so they can pinpoint exact locations of all the players? I sure there are some technical hurdles to clear but why rely on a visual review if there is, in theory, a way to be more exact? Aside from the technical issues, and probably cost, are there other drawbacks I'm not thinking of?

  • LuukSkywalker
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:21am

    FUCKING THANK YOU

  • afcaMouz
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:46am

    I prefer the way the Eredivisie handles VAR. No technology, but only replays. If the VAR assistant can't see a clear offside on replays then he can't make the call so there's still a margin of error.

  • JamalHNguyen
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 10:54am

    The problem isn't VAR. VAR is just exposing how poorly written some of the laws of the game are.

  • ProbzConfused
    1 points Aug 18,2019, 11:19am

    Well in frame B he is off so VAR is correct. Fuck this infographic

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Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang and Alexandre Lacazette across all competitions for Arsenal since Aubameyang’s debut. Auba: 67 games, 43 goals, 11 assists. Laca: 61 games, 30 goals, 15 assists. The dynamic duo.

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COMMENTS

  • SirSmile
    1049 points Aug 17,2019, 9:37am

    6 fucking seasons with Giroud up top. Then Wenger goes and buys Lacazette and Auba in half a year.

  • GOATOwens
    391 points Aug 17,2019, 9:36am

    People saying Auba is wasted because of Lacazette are dumb, Laca and Auba compliment each other perfectly.

  • kingwhocares
    53 points Aug 17,2019, 9:53am

    Those 2 carried us last season.

  • canyewez32
    236 points Aug 17,2019, 9:35am

    Lacca with his back to the goal is the best player of all time

  • visible341big
    32 points Aug 17,2019, 10:02am

    Definitely the best due in top leagues.

  • k1nJo
    25 points Aug 17,2019, 11:04am
  • chrisycr
    92 points Aug 17,2019, 9:42am

    Wengers parting gift to us

  • Bammer1386
    75 points Aug 17,2019, 11:35am

    "Auba isnt world class until he does it in the Prem."

    I miss his talent so much, such a monster.

  • GouldyBear
    25 points Aug 17,2019, 9:59am

    Wish we had someone like Aub 😭

  • vashaunp
    7 points Aug 17,2019, 1:50pm

    not gonna lie these two kinda remind me of yorke and cole at united. and it annoys me.

  • InTheMiddleGiroud
    23 points Aug 17,2019, 10:01am

    Should really get top four with that partnership.

    Aubameyang and Lacazette have both gone above 30 since Aubameyang joined a year and a half ago. Do United and Chelsea have one current player at 20? Surely they're just above it at best.

  • Squat____6
    5 points Aug 17,2019, 1:07pm

    We’ll be adding Pepe to that list soon too.

  • g88gleuser
    4 points Aug 17,2019, 1:26pm

    To think these two could have also been in the French squad together

  • jokikinen
    4 points Aug 17,2019, 2:41pm

    Auba is not exactly underrated, but I don’t think he gets as much praise as he deserves. He’s a really versatile and reliable strike. This post is about the partnership, but he’s very dangerous alone as well. He makes great runs, he is very able when he gets to go head to head, he can hold play. Today he scored from the middle of play.

    While playing for Dortmund there was of course interest for him—but not enough to get him moving. I think more than a few clubs would have gotten their money’s worth. That we got to keep hold of him for so long was great, but also weird.

    Arsenal is a big club, but he deserves the kind of hype which would put him beyond that. But there’s just something about him which doesn’t inspire that—something else than his performances.

  • medea_dei
    1 points Aug 17,2019, 10:01am

    Awaited.

  • manfred777
    1 points Aug 17,2019, 11:41am

    MN

  • sportsfan161
    1 points Aug 17,2019, 4:45pm

    Goal machines

  • loveandmonsters
    1 points Aug 17,2019, 7:11pm

    The 2 players I wanted at Liverpool ~3 years ago. Third was Griezmann. Sigh

  • thetinggoes-skraaa
    1 points Aug 17,2019, 8:29pm

    why have arsenal been so dire in this period tho

  • AndreiRF1
    0 points Aug 17,2019, 9:39am

    Time to make some adjustments to my Fantasy Team.

  • iggysmalls91
    -9 points Aug 17,2019, 10:33am

    If only Wenger spent money when he should have Arsenal would have dominated for years but instead Wenger lost the plot with his British babies, didn’t spend, sold his best players to rivals. Then in his last season buys auba and laca cmon arsrne 10 years too late

  • Sledge_x
    -9 points Aug 17,2019, 5:14pm

    They suck dick compared to lfc front three, the super European champions.

  • Sureshot006
    -49 points Aug 17,2019, 10:08am

    How many trophies?

  • RF111CH
    -23 points Aug 17,2019, 11:01am

    Nice stats but both are always missing in big games.

COMMENTS

  • SirSmile
    1049 points Aug 17,2019, 9:37am

    6 fucking seasons with Giroud up top. Then Wenger goes and buys Lacazette and Auba in half a year.

  • GOATOwens
    391 points Aug 17,2019, 9:36am

    People saying Auba is wasted because of Lacazette are dumb, Laca and Auba compliment each other perfectly.

  • kingwhocares
    53 points Aug 17,2019, 9:53am

    Those 2 carried us last season.

  • AuxquellesRad
    141 points Aug 17,2019, 9:43am

    Arsenal have such a potent strike force, if they could fix a few things in their squad they'd be challenging.

  • canyewez32
    236 points Aug 17,2019, 9:35am

    Lacca with his back to the goal is the best player of all time

  • visible341big
    32 points Aug 17,2019, 10:02am

    Definitely the best due in top leagues.

  • k1nJo
    25 points Aug 17,2019, 11:04am
  • chrisycr
    92 points Aug 17,2019, 9:42am

    Wengers parting gift to us

  • Bammer1386
    75 points Aug 17,2019, 11:35am

    "Auba isnt world class until he does it in the Prem."

    I miss his talent so much, such a monster.

  • GouldyBear
    25 points Aug 17,2019, 9:59am

    Wish we had someone like Aub 😭

  • vashaunp
    7 points Aug 17,2019, 1:50pm

    not gonna lie these two kinda remind me of yorke and cole at united. and it annoys me.

  • InTheMiddleGiroud
    23 points Aug 17,2019, 10:01am

    Should really get top four with that partnership.

    Aubameyang and Lacazette have both gone above 30 since Aubameyang joined a year and a half ago. Do United and Chelsea have one current player at 20? Surely they're just above it at best.

  • Squat____6
    5 points Aug 17,2019, 1:07pm

    We’ll be adding Pepe to that list soon too.

  • g88gleuser
    4 points Aug 17,2019, 1:26pm

    To think these two could have also been in the French squad together

  • jokikinen
    4 points Aug 17,2019, 2:41pm

    Auba is not exactly underrated, but I don’t think he gets as much praise as he deserves. He’s a really versatile and reliable strike. This post is about the partnership, but he’s very dangerous alone as well. He makes great runs, he is very able when he gets to go head to head, he can hold play. Today he scored from the middle of play.

    While playing for Dortmund there was of course interest for him—but not enough to get him moving. I think more than a few clubs would have gotten their money’s worth. That we got to keep hold of him for so long was great, but also weird.

    Arsenal is a big club, but he deserves the kind of hype which would put him beyond that. But there’s just something about him which doesn’t inspire that—something else than his performances.

  • medea_dei
    1 points Aug 17,2019, 10:01am

    Awaited.

  • manfred777
    1 points Aug 17,2019, 11:41am

    MN

  • sportsfan161
    1 points Aug 17,2019, 4:45pm

    Goal machines

  • loveandmonsters
    1 points Aug 17,2019, 7:11pm

    The 2 players I wanted at Liverpool ~3 years ago. Third was Griezmann. Sigh

  • thetinggoes-skraaa
    1 points Aug 17,2019, 8:29pm

    why have arsenal been so dire in this period tho

  • AndreiRF1
    0 points Aug 17,2019, 9:39am

    Time to make some adjustments to my Fantasy Team.

  • iggysmalls91
    -9 points Aug 17,2019, 10:33am

    If only Wenger spent money when he should have Arsenal would have dominated for years but instead Wenger lost the plot with his British babies, didn’t spend, sold his best players to rivals. Then in his last season buys auba and laca cmon arsrne 10 years too late

  • Sledge_x
    -9 points Aug 17,2019, 5:14pm

    They suck dick compared to lfc front three, the super European champions.

  • Sureshot006
    -49 points Aug 17,2019, 10:08am

    How many trophies?

  • RF111CH
    -23 points Aug 17,2019, 11:01am

    Nice stats but both are always missing in big games.

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Nice touch by Bolton towards the Coventry fans today.

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COMMENTS

  • Ciaz
    92 points Aug 10,2019, 1:24pm

    This is great to see. Coventry especially have suffered horrendously under SISU. Really feel for them.

  • THEBEAST666
    166 points Aug 10,2019, 1:24pm

    Probably sank a whole players wages into the ink that printed this

  • Zandatsu97
    27 points Aug 10,2019, 2:30pm

    Always nice to know we aren't alone with shite ownership issues. Wish you all the best this season Bolton.

  • FatWalcott
    13 points Aug 10,2019, 1:49pm

    Sigh. Sad to see this. I've always had a soft spot foe them when they went from Big Sam Bullies to Arsenal Lite for a while back then. Hope they see the end of the tunnel soon.

  • Rare_Situation
    23 points Aug 10,2019, 1:21pm

    If a Coventry fan appreciates it, good enough for me

  • Babuinix
    8 points Aug 10,2019, 1:30pm

    Respect

  • Tm23246
    18 points Aug 10,2019, 1:26pm

    Brilliant of them.

    I'm not undermining Bolton's situation in any way, but it's noteworthy that alot of the top players in Europes big 6 leagues could level their tax bills in an instant. I wish they got the attention that they deserve...

  • TheLimeyLemmon
    2 points Aug 10,2019, 7:02pm

    That’s a great touch. Makes me sad seeing the blue ribbons all over Coventry lately because they’re always a sign the club is in a really dire place.

  • impaladriver
    2 points Aug 10,2019, 7:34pm

    I’ve been watching Bolton for nearly 20 years and today was one of the best games I’ve ever been to.

    I’ve never seen players play with the kind of passion our lads did and they should all be proud. I love that club and it’s players like that that prove that you can’t kill a football team.

COMMENTS

  • Ciaz
    92 points Aug 10,2019, 1:24pm

    This is great to see. Coventry especially have suffered horrendously under SISU. Really feel for them.

  • THEBEAST666
    166 points Aug 10,2019, 1:24pm

    Probably sank a whole players wages into the ink that printed this

  • Zandatsu97
    27 points Aug 10,2019, 2:30pm

    Always nice to know we aren't alone with shite ownership issues. Wish you all the best this season Bolton.

  • HadjiChippoSafri
    20 points Aug 10,2019, 3:15pm

    Great gesture and a great effort by fans of both teams to get nearly 9,000 there considering tickets only went on sale 24 hours before!

  • FatWalcott
    13 points Aug 10,2019, 1:49pm

    Sigh. Sad to see this. I've always had a soft spot foe them when they went from Big Sam Bullies to Arsenal Lite for a while back then. Hope they see the end of the tunnel soon.

  • Rare_Situation
    23 points Aug 10,2019, 1:21pm

    If a Coventry fan appreciates it, good enough for me

  • Babuinix
    8 points Aug 10,2019, 1:30pm

    Respect

  • Tm23246
    18 points Aug 10,2019, 1:26pm

    Brilliant of them.

    I'm not undermining Bolton's situation in any way, but it's noteworthy that alot of the top players in Europes big 6 leagues could level their tax bills in an instant. I wish they got the attention that they deserve...

  • TheLimeyLemmon
    2 points Aug 10,2019, 7:02pm

    That’s a great touch. Makes me sad seeing the blue ribbons all over Coventry lately because they’re always a sign the club is in a really dire place.

  • impaladriver
    2 points Aug 10,2019, 7:34pm

    I’ve been watching Bolton for nearly 20 years and today was one of the best games I’ve ever been to.

    I’ve never seen players play with the kind of passion our lads did and they should all be proud. I love that club and it’s players like that that prove that you can’t kill a football team.

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Positions Gini Wijnaldum has played in throughout his career

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COMMENTS

  • AJMcCoy612
    2678 points Aug 03,2019, 8:35am

    Are we just forgetting about him playing for Newcastle then?

  • ewanbarker99
    771 points Aug 03,2019, 8:36am

    Played on the left for Newcastle and has played CB for Liverpool too

  • fortheberd
    524 points Aug 03,2019, 8:34am

    Talk about a Dutch army knife.

  • LacklustreYaz
    115 points Aug 03,2019, 8:40am

    Gini scored a super hat-trick playing for Newcastle in midfield. Not even mentioned

  • thecescshow
    98 points Aug 03,2019, 9:21am

    The Dutch Dirk Kuyt.

  • notaselfdrivingcar
    129 points Aug 03,2019, 8:36am

    Against Barcelona second leg: God.

  • Ddeokbeokkieater
    78 points Aug 03,2019, 10:48am

    He played as 9 and CB at Liverpool as well. This guy is such a great player. Sure not world class, but he's the guy you need in the team to make others play world class. And he can do that on every position.

  • ManoLorca
    160 points Aug 03,2019, 8:36am

    Wouldn't that probably look similar for every player if you look into their history till the E youth??

  • pure_black99
    19 points Aug 03,2019, 9:01am

    That smile, That damn smile

  • VeggieQuiche
    17 points Aug 03,2019, 9:51am

    Between Gini and Milner we have more than enough coverage at every position

  • yyzable
    13 points Aug 03,2019, 8:59am

    He played striker for us one game too.

  • TheAlmightShitFuck
    36 points Aug 03,2019, 8:40am

    Wijnaldum

    • Football Intelligence

    • Big game player

  • Helkix
    13 points Aug 03,2019, 10:30am

    Guy is a freak. Incredibly versatile and solid player. It was another great buy from Liverpool

  • lenzmoserhangover
    9 points Aug 03,2019, 8:56am

    Spits

  • ispelledthiwrong
    7 points Aug 03,2019, 9:16am

    He played striker/false nine for Liverpool this season

  • tlst9999
    6 points Aug 03,2019, 9:16am

    He never tried goalie? Man. That's poor adaptability right there.

  • ImaToGo
    7 points Aug 03,2019, 10:44am

    The FM simulation guys should do a all Ginni team.

  • Lukeno94
    5 points Aug 03,2019, 1:26pm

    Just a crap O'Shea

  • JakeNutters
    4 points Aug 03,2019, 8:36am

    When did he play Lb for Liverpool?

  • fukingwadrobe
    3 points Aug 03,2019, 3:59pm

    what the fuck

  • richhomieram
    3 points Aug 03,2019, 4:02pm

    Poor mans Kevin Großkreutz

  • FinestShang
    7 points Aug 03,2019, 8:36am

    FM legend in that regard. Buy him and you have everything covered.

  • SunnyCloudyRainy
    3 points Aug 03,2019, 1:17pm

    One less position then Kevin Großkreutz I see

  • petey23-
    3 points Aug 03,2019, 1:28pm

    I remember Rijkaard playing brilliant in the spits position against Germany

  • lqcnyc
    3 points Aug 03,2019, 4:14pm

    I feel like a player this versatile should be worth among the most. He can replace anyone injured on the squad which is very valuable. But he’ll never go for 89 million like Macguire...

  • GetYourDijkOut
    4 points Aug 03,2019, 9:20am

    Such an old graphic, no clue why it’s been posted now

  • MotoboyAquiEmLondres
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 8:35am

    goalkeeper?

  • loveandmonsters
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 10:09am

    Was he the manager at Newcastle?

  • CrnACroW
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 10:59am

    He is a complete team on his own

  • OldFakeJokerGag
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 12:51pm

    using youth setup positions is kinda cheating though

  • its_all_pointless
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 2:26pm

    One of the most underrated CMs out there. Good LFC and Klopp realizing that.

  • dariohanon
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 4:21pm

    Is this Borini?

  • Champion10FC
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 4:49pm

    Could make a similiar one for Milner as well

  • GrimValesti
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 5:41pm

    Modern John O’Shea

  • king_kulcha
    4 points Aug 03,2019, 8:51am

    Played 9 vs barca away leg as well

  • josephoid
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 3:01pm

    He played at newcastle to

  • YungSnuggie
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 9:46am

    i remember him playing CB for us once and doing a decent job. man is everywhere

  • FridaysMan
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 10:38am

    I love how Gini keeps growing as a player, he reminds me more and more of John Barnes

  • lafleurricky
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 10:38am

    I need to make one of these of Saul, he’s played almost every position

  • scorgie
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 10:42am

    He started up front for us in the first leg vs Barca, and will likely start the community shield vs city on the wing with Mane not returning till Monday and Salah only having 45mins and Bobby 30mins of preseason football played expect Ox-Origi-Gini front 3 tomorrow.

  • Rafaeliki
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 10:54am

    Rechterverdediger

  • DribblingMessi
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 11:05am

    Dutch love a long word don’t they

  • designericsmith
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 11:06am

    WOW

  • reddeadman
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 11:17am

    I remember that he used to be a completely different player when he made his debut, much more like a technical number 10, great to see how he developed

  • bobbyzee
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 12:08pm

    Wtf Sparta striker and right back

  • abo09
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 12:18pm

    That smil, that damned smile

  • Young_Metzgro
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 12:25pm

    Bought him on FUT and placed him in goal for Metzger FC, you’re welcome.

  • ziggy_zaggy
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 1:05pm

    Dutch Milner

  • trappymctrappish
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 1:30pm

    Throughout his career he kept the same smile, what a legend

  • bak3n3ko
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 1:36pm

    Total Football.

  • Hawksteinman
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 1:54pm

    Linkshalf

  • CasinoOasis2
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 2:47pm

    Still underrated. Amazing guy and proud to have him at Liverpool.

  • jvidal7247
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 3:08pm

    played center back and as a false 9 for liverpool as well

  • PneJack
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 3:27pm

    Yeah but Paul Gallagher even plays in net

  • woosuk3746
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 4:17pm

    Now he just needs to play GK

  • Voidoxx
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 4:36pm

    Well he is a kind of player that suits every team's needs.This guy can play anywhere.

  • Inocain
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 4:38pm

    I think I see the one position he should be played at next.

  • trishecki
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 4:59pm

    Amateuris, i played all positions at my home "town" club...

  • LazyAssedConqueror
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 5:13pm

    He didn’t play goalie?!

  • kkkalakksls
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 5:18pm

    Should've done one for the very versatile Wayne Hennesey. Goalkeeper and right-winger.

  • Yabeauty
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 6:41pm

    Such a class player.

    I know Newcaastle fans say he didn't work hard but he does that for us & he's so technically good on the ball. Intelligent, versatile & hard working.

    Love the guy, never thought he'd be this good at his current role. Thought he was more attack minded when he came in but he's excellent at giving us that option for a pass & moving the ball quick.

  • OleBrummmm
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 7:01pm

    This even beats Ashley Young

  • rookie06
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 8:32pm

    He's a keeper

  • marboi
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 9:08am

    When I first saw this post, my half-asleep self thought that "Duizendpoot" was Dutch for Georginio.

  • croppergib
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 9:53am

    I remember him from Football Manager - he was amazing

  • holabotaz
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 3:33pm

    damn kid cudi is a beast

  • rohangarg01
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 11:26am

    The Dutch Sergi Roberto

  • Nuwanda84
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 11:32am

    I love how they included his youth squad positions to fatten up his resume, like those mean anything.

  • ETDesigns_
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 2:18pm

    DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH

  • PEEWUN
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 3:43pm

    SwissDutch Army Man.

  • potatoYESIam
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 3:51pm

    Played also as number 9 for us against Barcelona at Nou Camp.

  • Triforcesarecool
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 4:09pm

    He played striker for Liverpool v Barca 1st leg

  • Decepticon4813
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 4:14pm

    WTFIH?

  • blaman12345
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 4:41pm

    definition of 'jack of all trades, master of none'

  • democi
    -5 points Aug 03,2019, 1:34pm

    Decent player but did fuck all last year. It was all VVD. - Liverpool fans

COMMENTS

  • AJMcCoy612
    2678 points Aug 03,2019, 8:35am

    Are we just forgetting about him playing for Newcastle then?

  • ewanbarker99
    771 points Aug 03,2019, 8:36am

    Played on the left for Newcastle and has played CB for Liverpool too

  • fortheberd
    524 points Aug 03,2019, 8:34am

    Talk about a Dutch army knife.

  • Lannisterling
    93 points Aug 03,2019, 8:39am

    That damn Gini smile! Fondly remember that one season for us in which he had like 8-9 goals with his head. Loved him as a captain as well, did loads of stuff for local kids.

  • LacklustreYaz
    115 points Aug 03,2019, 8:40am

    Gini scored a super hat-trick playing for Newcastle in midfield. Not even mentioned

  • thecescshow
    98 points Aug 03,2019, 9:21am

    The Dutch Dirk Kuyt.

  • notaselfdrivingcar
    129 points Aug 03,2019, 8:36am

    Against Barcelona second leg: God.

  • Ddeokbeokkieater
    78 points Aug 03,2019, 10:48am

    He played as 9 and CB at Liverpool as well. This guy is such a great player. Sure not world class, but he's the guy you need in the team to make others play world class. And he can do that on every position.

  • ManoLorca
    160 points Aug 03,2019, 8:36am

    Wouldn't that probably look similar for every player if you look into their history till the E youth??

  • pure_black99
    19 points Aug 03,2019, 9:01am

    That smile, That damn smile

  • VeggieQuiche
    17 points Aug 03,2019, 9:51am

    Between Gini and Milner we have more than enough coverage at every position

  • yyzable
    13 points Aug 03,2019, 8:59am

    He played striker for us one game too.

  • TheAlmightShitFuck
    36 points Aug 03,2019, 8:40am

    Wijnaldum

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    • Big game player

  • Helkix
    13 points Aug 03,2019, 10:30am

    Guy is a freak. Incredibly versatile and solid player. It was another great buy from Liverpool

  • lenzmoserhangover
    9 points Aug 03,2019, 8:56am

    Spits

  • ispelledthiwrong
    7 points Aug 03,2019, 9:16am

    He played striker/false nine for Liverpool this season

  • tlst9999
    6 points Aug 03,2019, 9:16am

    He never tried goalie? Man. That's poor adaptability right there.

  • ImaToGo
    7 points Aug 03,2019, 10:44am

    The FM simulation guys should do a all Ginni team.

  • Lukeno94
    5 points Aug 03,2019, 1:26pm

    Just a crap O'Shea

  • JakeNutters
    4 points Aug 03,2019, 8:36am

    When did he play Lb for Liverpool?

  • fukingwadrobe
    3 points Aug 03,2019, 3:59pm

    what the fuck

  • richhomieram
    3 points Aug 03,2019, 4:02pm

    Poor mans Kevin Großkreutz

  • FinestShang
    7 points Aug 03,2019, 8:36am

    FM legend in that regard. Buy him and you have everything covered.

  • SunnyCloudyRainy
    3 points Aug 03,2019, 1:17pm

    One less position then Kevin Großkreutz I see

  • petey23-
    3 points Aug 03,2019, 1:28pm

    I remember Rijkaard playing brilliant in the spits position against Germany

  • lqcnyc
    3 points Aug 03,2019, 4:14pm

    I feel like a player this versatile should be worth among the most. He can replace anyone injured on the squad which is very valuable. But he’ll never go for 89 million like Macguire...

  • GetYourDijkOut
    4 points Aug 03,2019, 9:20am

    Such an old graphic, no clue why it’s been posted now

  • MotoboyAquiEmLondres
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 8:35am

    goalkeeper?

  • loveandmonsters
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 10:09am

    Was he the manager at Newcastle?

  • CrnACroW
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 10:59am

    He is a complete team on his own

  • OldFakeJokerGag
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 12:51pm

    using youth setup positions is kinda cheating though

  • its_all_pointless
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 2:26pm

    One of the most underrated CMs out there. Good LFC and Klopp realizing that.

  • dariohanon
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 4:21pm

    Is this Borini?

  • Champion10FC
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 4:49pm

    Could make a similiar one for Milner as well

  • GrimValesti
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 5:41pm

    Modern John O’Shea

  • king_kulcha
    4 points Aug 03,2019, 8:51am

    Played 9 vs barca away leg as well

  • josephoid
    2 points Aug 03,2019, 3:01pm

    He played at newcastle to

  • YungSnuggie
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 9:46am

    i remember him playing CB for us once and doing a decent job. man is everywhere

  • FridaysMan
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 10:38am

    I love how Gini keeps growing as a player, he reminds me more and more of John Barnes

  • lafleurricky
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 10:38am

    I need to make one of these of Saul, he’s played almost every position

  • scorgie
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 10:42am

    He started up front for us in the first leg vs Barca, and will likely start the community shield vs city on the wing with Mane not returning till Monday and Salah only having 45mins and Bobby 30mins of preseason football played expect Ox-Origi-Gini front 3 tomorrow.

  • Rafaeliki
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 10:54am

    Rechterverdediger

  • DribblingMessi
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 11:05am

    Dutch love a long word don’t they

  • designericsmith
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 11:06am

    WOW

  • reddeadman
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 11:17am

    I remember that he used to be a completely different player when he made his debut, much more like a technical number 10, great to see how he developed

  • bobbyzee
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 12:08pm

    Wtf Sparta striker and right back

  • abo09
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 12:18pm

    That smil, that damned smile

  • Young_Metzgro
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 12:25pm

    Bought him on FUT and placed him in goal for Metzger FC, you’re welcome.

  • ziggy_zaggy
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 1:05pm

    Dutch Milner

  • trappymctrappish
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 1:30pm

    Throughout his career he kept the same smile, what a legend

  • bak3n3ko
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 1:36pm

    Total Football.

  • Hawksteinman
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 1:54pm

    Linkshalf

  • CasinoOasis2
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 2:47pm

    Still underrated. Amazing guy and proud to have him at Liverpool.

  • jvidal7247
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 3:08pm

    played center back and as a false 9 for liverpool as well

  • PneJack
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 3:27pm

    Yeah but Paul Gallagher even plays in net

  • woosuk3746
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 4:17pm

    Now he just needs to play GK

  • Voidoxx
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 4:36pm

    Well he is a kind of player that suits every team's needs.This guy can play anywhere.

  • Inocain
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 4:38pm

    I think I see the one position he should be played at next.

  • trishecki
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 4:59pm

    Amateuris, i played all positions at my home "town" club...

  • LazyAssedConqueror
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 5:13pm

    He didn’t play goalie?!

  • kkkalakksls
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 5:18pm

    Should've done one for the very versatile Wayne Hennesey. Goalkeeper and right-winger.

  • Yabeauty
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 6:41pm

    Such a class player.

    I know Newcaastle fans say he didn't work hard but he does that for us & he's so technically good on the ball. Intelligent, versatile & hard working.

    Love the guy, never thought he'd be this good at his current role. Thought he was more attack minded when he came in but he's excellent at giving us that option for a pass & moving the ball quick.

  • OleBrummmm
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 7:01pm

    This even beats Ashley Young

  • rookie06
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 8:32pm

    He's a keeper

  • marboi
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 9:08am

    When I first saw this post, my half-asleep self thought that "Duizendpoot" was Dutch for Georginio.

  • croppergib
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 9:53am

    I remember him from Football Manager - he was amazing

  • holabotaz
    1 points Aug 03,2019, 3:33pm

    damn kid cudi is a beast

  • rohangarg01
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 11:26am

    The Dutch Sergi Roberto

  • Nuwanda84
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 11:32am

    I love how they included his youth squad positions to fatten up his resume, like those mean anything.

  • ETDesigns_
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 2:18pm

    DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH

  • PEEWUN
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 3:43pm

    SwissDutch Army Man.

  • potatoYESIam
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 3:51pm

    Played also as number 9 for us against Barcelona at Nou Camp.

  • Triforcesarecool
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 4:09pm

    He played striker for Liverpool v Barca 1st leg

  • Decepticon4813
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 4:14pm

    WTFIH?

  • blaman12345
    0 points Aug 03,2019, 4:41pm

    definition of 'jack of all trades, master of none'

  • democi
    -5 points Aug 03,2019, 1:34pm

    Decent player but did fuck all last year. It was all VVD. - Liverpool fans

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COMMENTS

  • kauliflower_
    50 points Aug 02,2019, 3:28pm

    I like this.

  • Roric
    30 points Aug 02,2019, 3:30pm

    I anticipate a lot of grognards hating this, but I think it's a pretty decent way to introduce something new. It's limited in scope and it also helps refs protect themselves.

  • blubber_confused
    15 points Aug 02,2019, 3:30pm

    oh it is real, I really like the idea tbh, will iron out bad behaviour from young and it's clear about how it will work

  • MagicManMike1
    10 points Aug 02,2019, 3:32pm

    Here's a detailed page on the FA's website about it for those interested.

  • wakingdemons
    25 points Aug 02,2019, 3:26pm

    "Sarcastically clapping a decision"

    All the banter's gone out of football smh

  • I_Dive_Deep
    8 points Aug 02,2019, 3:34pm

    So is this basically the same concept as the Penalty Box in hockey?

  • Wildebeast1
    5 points Aug 02,2019, 3:40pm

    I hope it stays in grass-roots football.

  • mannyrmz123
    1 points Aug 02,2019, 5:04pm

    This is an incredible move from the FA. I truly hope this is a successful move and expands everywhere.

    I also really hope that this applies for diving someday... looking at you, Neymar.

  • theonlyonelefthere
    1 points Aug 02,2019, 3:33pm

    What does grassroot mean?

  • JokicGoated
    -5 points Aug 02,2019, 3:26pm

    This can't be real

  • Sanctimonius
    -9 points Aug 02,2019, 3:29pm

    Sarcastic clapping gets a 10 minute penalty. Damn. From what I can see none of this is for violent or dangerous behaviour, just to enforce something to protect the feelings of the ref.

  • IIJOSEPHXII
    -2 points Aug 02,2019, 7:12pm

    Hope it stays there and dies.

  • deleted
    -8 points Aug 02,2019, 3:32pm

    [deleted]

  • fuzzynavel34
    -1 points Aug 02,2019, 4:34pm

    Have they never seen Jessica Jones?

  • LuckyAssguardian
    -15 points Aug 02,2019, 3:27pm

    Do they expect players to be robots? Football is an emotional sport. This will take all heart out of it

  • baobabsburgers
    -26 points Aug 02,2019, 3:31pm

    Say goodbye to the relative free speech the UK once had. Wooooo lefties.

COMMENTS

  • kauliflower_
    50 points Aug 02,2019, 3:28pm

    I like this.

  • Roric
    30 points Aug 02,2019, 3:30pm

    I anticipate a lot of grognards hating this, but I think it's a pretty decent way to introduce something new. It's limited in scope and it also helps refs protect themselves.

  • blubber_confused
    15 points Aug 02,2019, 3:30pm

    oh it is real, I really like the idea tbh, will iron out bad behaviour from young and it's clear about how it will work

  • Kolo_ToureHH
    4 points Aug 02,2019, 5:25pm

    Aye we know

  • MagicManMike1
    10 points Aug 02,2019, 3:32pm

    Here's a detailed page on the FA's website about it for those interested.

  • wakingdemons
    25 points Aug 02,2019, 3:26pm

    "Sarcastically clapping a decision"

    All the banter's gone out of football smh

  • I_Dive_Deep
    8 points Aug 02,2019, 3:34pm

    So is this basically the same concept as the Penalty Box in hockey?

  • Wildebeast1
    5 points Aug 02,2019, 3:40pm

    I hope it stays in grass-roots football.

  • mannyrmz123
    1 points Aug 02,2019, 5:04pm

    This is an incredible move from the FA. I truly hope this is a successful move and expands everywhere.

    I also really hope that this applies for diving someday... looking at you, Neymar.

  • theonlyonelefthere
    1 points Aug 02,2019, 3:33pm

    What does grassroot mean?

  • JokicGoated
    -5 points Aug 02,2019, 3:26pm

    This can't be real

  • Sanctimonius
    -9 points Aug 02,2019, 3:29pm

    Sarcastic clapping gets a 10 minute penalty. Damn. From what I can see none of this is for violent or dangerous behaviour, just to enforce something to protect the feelings of the ref.

  • IIJOSEPHXII
    -2 points Aug 02,2019, 7:12pm

    Hope it stays there and dies.

  • deleted
    -8 points Aug 02,2019, 3:32pm

    [deleted]

  • fuzzynavel34
    -1 points Aug 02,2019, 4:34pm

    Have they never seen Jessica Jones?

  • LuckyAssguardian
    -15 points Aug 02,2019, 3:27pm

    Do they expect players to be robots? Football is an emotional sport. This will take all heart out of it

  • baobabsburgers
    -26 points Aug 02,2019, 3:31pm

    Say goodbye to the relative free speech the UK once had. Wooooo lefties.

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COMMENTS

  • slopeclimber
    551 points Jul 25,2019, 8:30am

    Time for Belgium to finally win something.

  • Loplopool
    684 points Jul 25,2019, 8:30am

    Said it before but both international and club coefficient rankings are complete bullshit

  • Bector06
    115 points Jul 25,2019, 8:48am

    Guaooooo where’s Germany

  • vanillathomas69
    102 points Jul 25,2019, 8:52am

    World Cup should be worth 1,000,000 points...so France should be #1.

  • L1V3RPOOL
    144 points Jul 25,2019, 8:40am

    Imagine how high Belgium will be when they start playing Origi

  • fuckyouidontneedone
    29 points Jul 25,2019, 10:20am

    It’s still crazy to me that Belgium are #1 after winning fuck all

  • JokicGoated
    24 points Jul 25,2019, 8:31am

    Yay Switzerland finally out

  • TanyAntagonist
    77 points Jul 25,2019, 8:35am

    How the fuck are we above Spain & Portugal, lmao.

  • theDopedNinja
    93 points Jul 25,2019, 8:30am

    Portugal should be higher considering they won the nation's league.

  • aclarkfifa
    37 points Jul 25,2019, 8:31am

    Portugal won the nations league how have they gone down

  • ortz3
    9 points Jul 25,2019, 9:18am

    Why is Gareth Southgate on here. Shouldn't it be Roberto Martinez?

  • MooreIsLess15
    3 points Jul 25,2019, 8:37am

    Cheers FIFA, I guess

  • ketzal7
    3 points Jul 25,2019, 4:50pm

    Crazy to not see Germany in the top 10.

  • connorqueer
    18 points Jul 25,2019, 9:03am

    ITT: People not realising this is an ELO system and no human thought goes in to it. There is no "______ should be here/have risen" etc etc. They can't pick and choose which teams go where

  • dinesh_gdcgdc
    4 points Jul 25,2019, 8:43am

    Man...

    Spain looks like it has left its Glory days behind.

    I started watching football because of '08-'12 Spain.I hope we would reach out peak levels once again.There's talent, but something's just not clicking.

  • Playboi_Icardi
    2 points Jul 25,2019, 8:47am

    Back in top 10, feels good man

  • Demonationz
    2 points Jul 25,2019, 9:07am

    Really it's just which team is most consistently good in the right tournaments over X number of years more than which team is best.

  • Covfefe____
    2 points Jul 25,2019, 11:32am

    Netherlands? Should be top 10 after nations league performances

  • July_RS
    8 points Jul 25,2019, 8:35am

    Finally Brazil on #2. In my opinion, Belgium and Brazil have been the two best-playing nations since at least the world cup. I'd put Brazil on #1 though.

  • Theslyfennekinfox
    7 points Jul 25,2019, 8:52am

    Belgium number one? Why? What did they do? Surely france should be number one.

  • CunningShylock