Lol at the saints logo directly over Georgia
I didn't know how much I wanted to know this until I saw it
Who wins population wise?
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Guess I gotta move outa VA
Yeah, we'll take Michigan's penis, and Michigan's nose, thank you very much.
Edit: Michicgan looks like a monster's head breaching the surface of the ocean.
How did you calculate this?
Who does St Louis root for?
This is badass
Closest from what point? I don’t get how you determine the regions.
Hatfields and Mccoys gettin serious
Let's go Flyover States!
FOH, Western NY is Chiefs territory this week!
Taking a page out of r/CollegeBasketball’s book huh
There is no Pittsburgh Steelers fan alive that would want the Patriots to win.....this map is definitely not accurate
DFW split right down the middle.
Some say the Saints are still scoring and getting called for holding, in a never ending Sisyphean loop.
They couldn't stop Michael Thomas at all.
Remember on this drive when Taysom Hill was wide open as a WR on a 46 yard TD catch with like 5 yards on the safety, but Brees underthrew him. Taysom jogged back to the huddle and 10 seconds later Taysom threw a perfect 46 yard pass as a QB that was called back for a hold. Then 2/3 of the next plays he acted as a blocking TE and made a critical block for Kamara?
Felt like they were getting penalties and still picking up first downs just to fuck with Jim Schwartz
The Saints were marching in for the entire third quarter.
I messed up the title, I needed to say either 18 play 92 yard drive or 22 play 117 yard drive but whatever it's Monday.
Every time something good happened I was looking for the flag
5 times they were 15 or more yards away from 1st down.
I've seen Payton/Brees rip out a defense's heart on plenty of occasions, but this was just...oof.
They were at X & 20 three times! Not only did the sheer amount of time and plays suck out their physical energy, to still end up giving up a TD after all that shit...gotta be demoralizing.
Gotta give it to the Philly D though. They fought tooth and nail that entire game, while both the Saints O and lack of Philly O wore them out big time.
This drive felt like going on a treadmill
The best part about this drive is how many times the refs tried to bail out the Eagles...and it didn’t even fucking faze the Saints at all.
I remember getting up to get a drink maybe 3 minutes into this drive, and then I ended up talking to one of my friends for a second; when I came back the drive timer said like 10 minutes or something. I very audibly said “Jesus, the Saints still have the ball?!”
At the 3rd time they converted I thought at that point they were intentionally doing it to bleed the clock
Taken from this about the drive.
Man, so that’s how you keep drives from just dying when you get a holding penalty - just get all 20 yards on a pass to Michael Thomas.
My teams have been doing it wrong. We’ve been doing this thing where you run the ball for somewhere between 2-4 yards on the first 2 downs. Then you try to pick up the first down by passing on third down. But you can’t ever get any kind of penalty the entire game - if you do, you lose 10 yards and of course that’s an impossible obstacle to overcome so you just have to punt it away and try again next drive if that happens.
We should really try this strategy the Saints use instead. It seems more effective.
The refs wanted to give it to the Eagles so badly, but we just kept saying "nope".
Amazing. Who Dat
I called that drive the fuckin Soul Taker.
ugh giving up that 20 yard catch on 3rd and 16 was so deflating.
What a phenomenal game, unprecedented post season comeback for the Saints!
Smh should of never happened
Got bailed out on a weak holding call when they were backed up
I saw enough of it, thanks.
A drive cannot be 117 yards, but I get what you are saying
The Saints OL said after game they got exhausted on this drive. Imagine how Eagles must've felt.
Only one in our bracket to miss the playoffs I think. That's... interesting.
Kudos to the 49ers for grabbing the 2nd overall pick despite not being near the 2nd worst team.
BUCCANEERS ARE AN OFFENSIVE TEAM AND NOT A POOR TEAM I LIKE THIS FUCKING CHART
Get out of the way Seattle!
By popular demand, here is another version of the post I submitted yesterday. Instead of using total yards, I used points for and against per game to plot teams.
Now put diagonal lines from the center to each corner giving us a bit more accuracy with subdivisions.
Neat...Bears, Saints, Chiefs all fall on a 45 degree line.
The interesting thing about this graph visually is that you can almost draw a rectangle whose bottom left is at Philly and goes up and to the right in order to capture all the playoff teams.
One exception to that box is Dallas on the left side, whose scoring offense was worse than Philly and significantly worse than the rest of the playoff teams, but who play in a perennially highly contested division and whose defense stiffened up very well to close out the year.
The other exceptions are LAR and KC who showed that unbelievable offenses can overcome middling-to-poor defenses to secure a first round bye.
Honorable mentions go to Pittsburgh and Minnesota for clearly being in the same ballpark as all the playoff teams but barely missing.
Arizona and Oakland were just so bad wow
Why on earth is the defensive points axis inverted??
This resolves a few issues from the previous chart.
We now know how to feel about Seattle. It's the Saints not the Steelers who are the standout balanced team.
And green bay are half bad :)
definitely good to be in the top right and bad to be in the bottom left. but the other two quadrants don’t really show if you’re good or bad because they’re subject to gameflow.
Man, it’s ok to call your “poor teams” bad teams.
Honestly, as a Miami fan I'm sad that the bills will be pretty damn good in the coming years. Congrats to yall tho, someone has to make it out of the AFC east basement
Why.. uhh.. why do the Seahawks get to be on top of us? I prefer being on top.
KC, you're so weird.
NO going all the way
I really dislike the offensive/defensive lines being horizontal/vertical. They really should be diagonal, probably at 45 degrees.
I would argue that the poor teams are also balanced. Good chart.
Seattle is simultaneously offensive, defensive, balanced and bad
I would argue that Arizona was incredibly offensive this year
So top right corner is the best?
How did Pittsburgh miss the playoffs??
It’s so bad that I knew exactly where to look to find us instantly
I STILL don't know if the Seahawks are good or not.
I feel personally attacked.
Well I thought our defense was pretty offensive tbh
Lmao we're above average. Us and the Texans, basically the same team
So that's what Sherman meant when he said Seattle was a "middle of the road" team!
Yay, according to this we aren't a bad team
That formula KC has going on is not sustainable at all. No matter how good you think Mahomes is. Ask Drew Brees how much he won when he was having to bomb it to keep the Saints relevant.
Dallas is a defensive team. What a world we live in.
This seems like a graph that doesn't tell much of the story in a meaningful way. It's interesting, but you could be forgiven for thinking the Giants or Oakland weren't that bad this year.
Top 5 defense for the last 8 games don't @ me (Lions fan)
Ahh Seahawks, right in the middle of all. I feel like this perfectly visualized our team this year
Does this account for overtime? Browns played 4 OT games so their yards allowed/gained is going to be inflated for example
AZ didn’t even hit 4000 yards from scrimmage? That’s awful
I feel like this should be based on points allowed/points scored instead of yards.
“Bend don’t break” is a defensive mantra for a reason.
Yards isn’t a good metric for this
Holy shit we didn't even get 4000 yards
If anyone asks why we fired Wilks, this is why
This is the 2018 season not 2019.
If BAL had a legitimate QB, they’d win the Super Bowl.
Patriots fans unzip
Unrelated but why are the rams “LA” not “LAR” since there are two teams in LA
The Eagles give up a lot of yards with Gym Shorts' scheme but interesting nonetheless.
So is this saying we had the best defense and an above average offense?
Hold on, hold on, hold on...are you trying to tell me KC has a bad defense?
If only Jeff Fischer was coaching we’d get another middle of the pack squad.
At the beginning of the year, if you asked me where i would find the browns , the offensive team's section would have been my last guess. I love this team!!
Can someone do this with points? I've never understood measuring with yards. Yards don't mean anything.
The Bengals defense was better than one thing this year! The Cardinals offense
yards are a pretty lame way to measure defense
Touchdowns would be better than yards
Seattle is perfectly balanced
Mhmm and how is Buffalo not a “bad” team?
Fucking hell Arizona
Fuck yeah, we're not bad.
How is Adam Gase such a hot coaching candidate but had less to work with than Bowles??
arizona is like that kid that trips all the time during the race
11/14 on 4th down conversions is pretty fucking great too.
they must have a positive turnover margin
Pete would like this
I remember they blew out the 49ers but Nick Mullens still threw for like 400+ yards.
So beautiful. Yet so neutral.
this has been posted several times before, but I like that you attached a graphic
Each team plays:
1) Six divisional games, three teams twice each: same row and color; each division is surrounded by a thick border. Example: Baltimore plays Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Cincinnati twice each.
2) Ten non-divisional games, ten teams once each: any other team (outside the division) in the same row, column, or background color. Example: Baltimore plays the L.A. Rams, Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona (same row), New England, Miami, Buffalo, N.Y. Jets (same color), Kansas City, and Houston (same column) once each.
So does NBC already have Patriots vs Cowboys reserved or something?
Annual reminder teams can change a lot during the offseason/regress/rookies can make strides/new FAs so it’s hard to predict who’s gonna have an easy or hard schedule
Miami is fucked next season. That is what I see.
Wait, we don't play Seattle? Surely there must be an error because we're honorary division-mates as of the mid-2010s!
Wow, my team plays 4 games against 1st place teams, 4 against 2nd place teams, 4 against 3rd place teams and 4 against 4th place teams!
How about your team? (insert conspiracy theories on team's Facebook page from fans claiming the NFL is rigged)
NFCS, AFCS, NFCW, Philly and Minnesota? Oof. Tough schedule.
Nice chart! I always talk to people about the schedule for the Colts and rarely does anyone know how it works until I explain it to them. Really good way to go about scheduling IMO.
I bet you're nutty at sudoku
Holy shit, it finally makes sense to me. Seriously, seeing it displayed this way is super helpful. Good job.
Browns gonna go 9-6-1 in 2019. Calling it now.
I feel like we play Seattle every year
Took me a while to figure out, but after some reading, I've realized my Lions are going to get beat up next season. 9/10 for the work 2/10 for making my depression worse
Seattle is out to fight every other birb team next year.
Obviously a long off-season ahead, and post season, but...
Miami and the Jets are going to undergo large coaching overhauls, and NE has a much tougher schedule than us with KC and Houston, as opposed to us facing the Broncos (another coaching overhaul) and the Titans (who we beat this year.)
For less than three days post season I'm feeling pretty optimistic.
Well, at least we had the easiest schedule this year..
AFC West AND NFC South, kill me
Should be cool watching Rodgers vs Mahomes next year, would be a cool SNF or MNF game (provided better MNF production).
Also looks like like a it’s very possible for the browns to win a bunch of games provided they pick up where they left off next year. Would be awesome to go from winless to playoffs/division leader in two years.
edit: Also want to talk about how schedules are made to potentially explain to other people how they work and clarify something I just figured out from this neat graphic: All teams play everyone in their division 2x each, bringing them 6 games. They also play every team in one of the other divisions in their own conference once each bringing them up to 10 games. Then they play every team in one division from the other conference once to bring them to 14 games, and after that they play one team each from the two remaining divisions in their conference.
Example team for 2019 - The Packers:
1.) Their Division (NFCN) - 6 games (Bears 2x, Vikings 2x, Lions 2x)
2.) AFCW - 4 games (Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Raiders)
3.) NFCE - 4 games (Cowboys, Eagles, Redskins, Giants)
4.) 1 team from NFCW (49ers)
5.) 1 team from NFCS (Panthers)
The thing I wanted to confirm about just learning is that the two teams they play from the remaining division in their conference are determined by their final ranking in their division at the end of the season. As in, the Packers play the 49ers and Panthers because they're all ranked 3rd in the division at the end of the season.
We're not playing Green Bay.
Huh. I know why, it's just abnormal. I think this will be only the second season of Wilson's career he doesn't play them.
Still playing Carolina though, as usual.
You did a great job with this visualization. I've known the "algorithm" for a while, but it's always been tough to describe to others. I'm going to share this with my friends.
Also, I like the colors you used for the NFC. No reason.
what i'm really drunk but i also don't fucking understand this
Of course we have to face the Browns while theyre growing into a powerhouse
Weak; Patriots, Saints, and Bears on the road.
Bravo! Love your visualization.
Leave it to a fellow Poke to make a cool chart like this.
Didn't the NFC North and NFC East play against each other this year? They wouldn't play again would they?
Ours is looking super easy. I mean playing the NFC East always sucks and we have the Pats, but otherwise most of those teams were hot garbage this year. Including us, of course. Of course with all the parity it's a shitshow, but we could actually be in a pretty good position. We looked a lot better as the year went on and lost a lot of close games. It feels like we should be closer to putting everything together than other teams that sucked as hard as us this year, but it's tough to get a lot of optimism going. We've been telling ourselves that since 2012.
Also have we been playing the Bucs a lot lately? It feels like it.
edit: just looked it up we've totally been playing the Bucs a lot recently. Maybe we'll get a nice lil rivalry going here.
NFL decided we don’t get shit on for the Mack trade during games that have nothing to do with him so they figured they’d really beat that horse dead next year.
Wow the Bears schedule will probably be tough
Rams, Saints, Chiefs, Chargers, Cowboys, Eagles from outside the NFCN
Edit: Found this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvuT8lNUYAI_lFA.jpg:large
Whoever developed this league format deserves huge kudos.
And this visualization does an excellent job of conveying the format.
Not bad. For the beginners I think you need to mention each team plays the same ranked team in their conference. For instance Houston was first so they play the Patriots and Ravens as well since they were first. The column is understood for the people that get it but I'm referring to the novices.
Oof, Rams, Chicago, Saints, Pats, and A-Aron.
But at least we get to play the skins twice, Eli twice, and Kirk Cousins, as well as everything else AFCE. Think we can squeak out 9 horizontally. Maybe 1 vertically.
Does this mean that year to year any given team only plays two games different than any other team in the division?
Is there a set rotation for inter division match ups? Like do we already know if the NFCN will play the NFCW or NFCS the year after next?
TB and Rodgers
Holy shit we're playing the Pats
Fuck, so we gotta play Patriots, Bears, Rams, and Saints? Me no likey.
yooo fuck this broken ass schedule rip 2019
KC vs. CHI is a primetime game no doubt.
i feel bad for miami. play the nfc north, chargers and the colts. they are screwed.
AFC has NEWS and NFC has WENS 😆
NEWS AND WENS
clever fuckin chart design
Based on the colors of the grid, Hawks vs Chiefs SB confirmed.
We might actually be worse next year.
Browns could conceivably beat the Bengals twice, the Bills, the Jets, the Dolphins, the 49ers, and the Cardinals.
7 wins right there. If they can take a few from the Ravens and Steelers, if the Broncos game is at home, and if the Titans have a bad day, then the playoffs and the division are realistic.
This is very clever
Ok so Texans are goin' up against IND, TEN, JAX x 2 each, plus NO, ATL, CAR, TB... BAL, NE... KC LAC DEN OAK...
Oh, and yes, this grid is freakin' cool.
Edit: Ok, ya Traitor supporter.
Oof Dallas got Chicago, New Orleans, and Rams lololol
While I knew that the division leaders in the same conference all played each other, until seeing it visualized like this I hadn't even realized that the 2nd, 3rd and last place teams followed the same pattern.
Keep it up brother, this is great!
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This infographic puts me in the mood for some Prince.
This is fucking gorgeous
Colts might have one of the toughest schedules next year... not only do we get to play Chiefs, Chargers, Saints and Steelers but ALL FOUR of those are away games. Texans arguably have it worse with those same matchups (Ravens instead of Steelers) but also Patriots at home.
Time to man up AFCS!
Baker v Brady hype
How the fuck we get Saints, Rams, Dallas, phylly, chargers, and chiefs along with our divisional opponents? Bears fucked next year.
Been pulling for Cleveland all year, looks like they're gonna have a hell of a good time next season.
How will Tomlin fuck this up I wonder.
Its about time our schedule got alot easier
only games against winning records outside our division is against Chicago and NE
great grid btw
The Bears have such a hard schedule. Of the 10 teams outside of their division, 6 are in the playoffs this year.
We have a hard schedule next year... damn
Hopefully my marriage can take the chiefs playing the Lions.
Oh god how is this an easy schedule:
Green Bay 2x
New York Giants
Lol we are gonna suck next year too
It always baffles me how many football fans don't understand the general schedule formula/rotation and bitch about how the NFL "always makes it easy" for certain teams.
Yeah we getting that #1 pick in 2020 ;)
We're gonna go 5-11 aren't we
So you’re saying we need to setup week 1 as the most hated game ever. A rematch of Super Bowl LIII between Eagles and Pats.
Patriots with the super soft schedule for a team who earned a first round bye. At least I can take solace in knowing they are on the decline 🤫
one last Brady vs Manning perhaps?
R/nfl at the end of next season: Texans schedule too easy cry cry cry
Nite nite Packers
We have so many good matchups next year I'm sorry for all you who hate the Pats being in Primetime
We are so fucked next year.
Give us the hardest road. West coast travels, and division winners. Fuck it
Cool graph but shit I do not like our opponents next year.
Anyone know the reasoning behind Kansas City playing @ New England 3 years in a row?
Any word on if bears v broncos is in Chicago or Denver?
Nice visual, I used to always get super confused by the scheduling!
Brutal schedule for the Saints. So many up and coming teams
This is very well done!
Neato. Took me like 3 tries to get to 16, but I did it!
I can't wait for Baltimore to come to Seattle
Looks like the Rams will waltz into the playoffs again next year 😁
I forgot we play the Raiders next year, going to be interesting
Is it always the same year to year for which division you play in the other conference? If not what decides that?
We are most likely screwed with our schedule next season.
Raiders Bears def getting a primetime slot
What's this, the 6th year in a row we play Carolina?"
Bears play rams, saints, chargers and chiefs :/
Great work OP! Now can someone explain how home and away venues for non-divisonal games are decided...
Oh I guess it's that time again when the Giants fans outnumber us in our "home" game.
Yes yes yes! If this this schedule holds true then maybe the Falcons will come to the west coast which they didnt at all this season.
Is Oakland still Oakland?
We don't play the Colts? Fuck
Of course the Chiefs have to play the Patriots in New England...again. 😳
Damn being optimistic i only see 8 wins. We gon have to pull out some upsets.
Glad we came in 2nd in our division so we don’t have to play the Packers for once
This is a really great visualization. Subscribe.
Bears schedule is way harder than this year. Hope we don’t pull a jags next season.
Why is the AFC NEWS and the NFC WENS?
That is so sick thanks!
Please call Zohgiyhooooyooohjk
Browns Patriots is exciting stuff. Steelers don't place first and still end up having to play NE. Tragic
Yay we have a brutal schedule out of division next year! Chiefs, Chargers and Saints plus always tough Pittsburgh!! /s
The AFC north is going to look very good next year.
I.. I really don’t know if I should be worried yet
As a Bills fan, our schedule last year looked brutal compared to this. Ravens, Chargers AFC South, NFC North and as always the Pats twice. Our whole sub saw 4-12/7-9 coming up especially since we put a plan in place to get rid of all those poopoo Whaley contracts.
So Bears schedule has Rams, Saints, KC and Chargers? That would've been brutal this year
The pain of winning: our two games based on record are Rams and Saints.
The Saints play every other NFC playoff team next year except for the Eagles.
I remember the old days before 32 teams and 8-four team divisions.
There was a Monday Night game between the Packers & Cowboys at old Texas Stadium in 1996. Al Michaels, Dan Dierdorf and Frank Gifford were talking about how strong GB had been that year but how Pack fans could not figure out why they had to travel TO Dallas every single year in the regular season. Bad enough to have to do it in the playoffs.
Michaels was like "there's a formula that's been determining this....NFC Central #2 plays AT NFC East #1....period" Not sure where the formula came from but the Pack had to come to Dallas like seven straight times in the regular season and postseason and lost every time. They were soooooo happy in 1997 to get The Boys up to Lambeau.
This is excellent. I don't know if there's a way to work the Home/Away on the non-division matchups, but even without it this is pretty solid.
RIP easy schedule lol
Good. Allen gets to take a tour of the franchises that beat us in the Super Bowl. We're coming for that booty NFC East.
Man if the rams don’t win it this year they may have missed their chance. Cause unless they make a lot of improvement that schedule next year is crazy good.
This is mind boggling. How?!?
All four other first round qbs from this year will play against the browns and raven
Tough draw for the Bears, man.
This is a really cool way to visualize it. Kudos!
Pretty crazy that they could be the number 2 seed still
I’m just hoping the Chargers don’t face Ravens first round.
Here's the gist of it. (edit:spelling)
Ravens win? They're in.VS.Ravens lose? They're most likely not.
Clear as mud.
Wow this really puts it in perspective. They can be as high as the 2 seed or out of the playoffs altogether. Crazy.
What happens if both the Ravens and Steelers win?
Same for a lot of the AFC teams on the bubble. Based on tomorrow the Titans could be anything from eliminated from playoff contention to the 2nd seed in the AFC. A lot riding on tomorrow.
Wasn’t even paying attention to them still being up for the 2 seed, that‘s wild
Honestly with how bad the Pats have looked x how good Darnold has looked x the potential of Jacksonville’s defense any given week, it’s unlikely but wouldn’t shock me if both NE and Houston lose
It's that time of year guys!! The headscratching scenario time is upon us.
I like this a lot. There's still reason to play and it keeps a lot of fan bases engaged going into the final week.
Meanwhile I'm just over here drinking excessively in a dark room.
I feel bad rooting against the Browns because they are....the Browns.
But it's about rooting against the Steelers.
Reminds me of the Bengals game we had in 2015. We ended up winning the Super Bowl but could've been eliminated instead of winning the first seed.
Reminds me of the 2015 Broncos.
Going into Week 16, they still hadn't clinched a playoff spot. They barely did with an OT win.
Going into Week 17, they could end up with the 1, 2, 4 or 5 seed.
How can they clinch the 4 seed but not the division? Top 4 seeds are division leaders aren’t they?
And this doesn't even bring strength of victory into the mix...
That's crazy that anything from the #2 seed to elimination is possible tomorrow.
Is this new guy good? The guy in the picture?
I tried to swipe the picture to see what the next image was. 🤦🏽♂️
I would love to see the Ravens make #2 seed, but the biggest hurdle is for the Patriots to lose. Everything else is easily obtainable, but the Jets winning is a very tall order. It could be done though. But it's unlikely. Would be a monumental upset though!
Eliminated if:Browns beat RavensSteelers win or tie Bengals
I get this feeling Mayfield is going to light it up while Lamar stinks it up.
So basically they'll be the #4 seed
Supposedly the hottest game tomorrow and half of Ohio cant even watch it legally.
Bet me I won’t put my mortgage on the skins
Lol at Browns being higher than the Panthers, Redskins and Dolphins.
The Browns literally need a specific game to tie and a bunch of other things to even have a chance at a wild card spot.
Ravens and Seahawks line is honestly not that bad.
Ya'll are going to be sorry you didn't put your money on the Panthers when CMC becomes our QB and pulls a Foles.
Steelers seem like a good bet
Colts seem like a good bet. If they make it into playoffs I could see them doing really well.
I don't gamble so I was mightily confused for a minute. Small numbers are good?
Putting my money on the Phins
Since I'm dumb. If I bet a dollar and dolphins win, does that mean I get 25000?
Lol imagine Heineken leading the Panthers to a super bowl
Or Josh Johnson for the Skins
I like those chargers odds.
does anyone know any apps where you can make these kinda bets?
We're in the top 10 baby!
Seeing the Browns in the list just makes me happy.
Seahawks seem like a decent value at that number.
Lmao the panthers, redskins, dolphins lines are just shade
The browns have better odds than the Dolphins
Not sure why the colts are above the Seahawks. They’re probably significantly more likely to miss the playoffs.
So you are are telling me if I bet 10 dollars on the Cowboys I'll get $27,000? Sign me up for that
Houston vs seatle needs to happen. That superbowl would be niiice.
Texans and the Steelers both seem like good bets.
Am I allowed to bet against the Patriots at those odds?
If I understand the line right for every $7 I put in I get $1 if they don't win the Super Bowl? I like those odds.
Got the Chargers at 30-1. Let’s just say I am really rooting for them.
TFW vegas has you below the redskins who is starting mark Sanchez :(
How are the Pats still +700?
Redskins fans being heated about their punter being snubbed from the pro bowl is a hilarious timeline from this season.
In both games against us their Punter was the MVP of the game pinning us inside the 15 over and over until Dak had that fumble that the Redskins D recovered for 6 in game one.
In the second game with ColtMccoy it was the same game, giving the Redskins excellent field position the entire game.
He ain’t got dicko mode
It is a popularity contest. We all know it
Michael Dickson has more girth
Dickson’s average is top of the league though. If Way were in over him you’d have this exact post about Dickson sorted by punting average lol
Ya, and I believe Chris Jones led the league in Punts inside the 10 and fewest PR yards last year but didn't make the Pro Bowl at all. Punters are overlooked all the time
Pro Bowl is the stupidest shit to get heated over. It’s a popularity contest.
We’re not mad about our owner being incompetent, our first and second string QBs going down with season (and potentially career) ending injuries, the third string QB being a total disaster, the team underachieving almost every year, and that our name may or may not be racist.
We’re mad because our fucking Punter didn’t make the Pro Bowl. Nailed it.
But how big are Tress Way's balls?
Are that many fans heated? He's good, but I have other shit to worry about. Trent Williams didn't even play 4 games and still made it in for the 7th time. Lets be happy about that instead.
Tress and Dickson are the two best punters in the league this year imo. Both are pro bowl caliber punters, I think Dickson just has more hype this year since he's a rookie.
All Pro first team should be Tress tho
Colquitt has been an MVP
So what? Tress leads in that one category and Dickson leads in every single other stat.
Dickson has more punt yardage despite fewer attempts. He also has more punt return attempts but with less return yardage.
If you actually bother to watch a Hawks game you would see why he's the pro-bowl punter. He's doing things with that ball that no other punter in the NFL is doing, which is why it makes it so difficult for opposing teams to return punts.
He's a punter, there are many players that got snubbed worse.
Alexa, play Careless Whisper
Saints 35 punts lmao
I'd be interested in seeing punts inside the 5 or punts at the 1 yard line.
Thoughts and prayers for them in this difficult time.
I couldn't imagine being heated over my team's punter getting snubbed from the Pro Bowl. Good Lord...
Somewhere there's a guy at work asking his friend why hes so mad today.
"Our punter didnt get in the fucking Pro Bowl man."
It’s a popularity contest. I don’t understand why people get salty over this shit.
Are they though? Nobody cares about the pro bowl
IT’S TRESS WAY BITCH
This is why punting needs efficiency stats. 39 punts inside the 20 is impressive no matter what, but it would also be really impressive for a punter to have 25 punts inside the 20 when he only had 25 opportunities to do that. Same with distance. It's nice when a punter can kick it 60 yards but he doesn't get to do that if he's on the 50 and trying to pin the other team inside the 20. If I had the time and resources I'd like to compare the top 5 or so punters and see how they compare in some sort of punt success rate stat.
If they cared that much they would have voted for him more. It's a fan decision
TIL The name of the Redskins punter. Might be why he was snubbed.
Having watched only a few of each of their games, I agree with Pro Bowl voters.
Dickson punts seem to have better hang time or be more strategically placed, because nobody is getting good returns against him.
I don’t care that he had 4 touchbacks and Tress didn’t. That’s not a big deal.
And hitting punts inside the 20, while great, isn’t the end all be all of punting.
How many times did you vote for him?
It's a popularity contest. If you want your elite center in Oakland or your D.C. punter to make the list, you have to get out and vote a LOT.
That’s the opposite of Tress Way shit, mayne
Meanwhile, our boy Chubb is about to break the rookie record for sacks and probably won't even be invited to watch the game on his TV.
It’s a popularity contest lol
oh damn just saw that morstead has only punted 35 times. i wonder what the record least amount of punts is in a season for a team.
Oof we're #31 next to Oakland
TIL human beings are very creative in how they become enraged.
The pro bowl is bullshit. Time to learn that.
I would say average, net, and return average more than just not getting touchbacks. And I mean punting it out of bounds is different than punting it and downing it at the 5. Which punts inside the 20 doesn't differentiate
The pro-bowl is like a party you do not want to go to, but you still get offended if you were not invited.
Inside the 20 is like completion %; sure it is a good stat but it favors safe play. He has the same amount of inside the 10 and 4yd less net than Dickson.
I can think of a lot better reasons for Redskins fans to be heated. Are you sure this is why?
That's a great stat, but he's also 17th in net punt yards and 16th in average punt distance.
I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve it (I haven't been paying attention to various punters all season), but the rest of his stats can very thoroughly explain why he wouldn't get in.
That's just one category y'know? There is also the average, net average, Long, return yards average and he doesn't even have an aussie accent! #BigBalls
Dickson is a rookie, on a team that isn't a walking trash dump. He's also quite good. There are far better hills to die on than crying that your punter, on a terrible team, didn't beat him out.
(Though, I probably would have voted for him over Dickson; 0 touchbacks with that volume and ball placement is frikkin' impressive.)
Net average baby!
I feel like Redskins fans have a lot more to be heated about than that
I know the whole punters are people too thing is a meme but like actually no one knows any punters so a fan vote is gonna be trash.
Yeah, I’m sure THIS is the exact, and only, reason resdskins fans are “heated”
Punter drama is second only to long snapper drama in my book
Zero touchbacks is impressive for a punter with over 70 punts unless the offense is just that bad.
It's a popularity contest. Don't like it, vote.
How bored must the Saints punter be. 35 punts total
the pro-bowl is STUPID. fan voting is moronic as 1/3 of the fans have no clue and another 1/3 are homers.
the judge of a good player is all-pro.
People still trying to pretend the pro bowl matters?
Tress Way and Britton Colquitt should have been the starters. Colquitt is 2nd in net yards and has a 79-yarder!
people still getting mad over a popularity contest
They would be heated about something like that.
I bet Daniel Snyder is standing on his chair and just screaming about this.
He's crushed it for my fantasy team
The pro bowl is fucking shite.
Who gets heated over the pro bowl anyway...I mean really. not trying to be that one guy.
He don't bend, he don't fold, he don't break.. It's Tress Way!
Well, the Pro-Bowl is a stupid popularity contest because they let moron fans vote. I mean shit, I'll readily admit that Tom Brady probably shouldn't be a pro-bowler this year. He's an edge case, but I'd say Roethlisberger, Watson, or Luck all deserve it ahead of him. But he's still in there because, well, he's Tom fucking Brady. He could throw more picks than touchdowns, and he'd still probably get in.
The AP all pro list is a more realistic look at who the best players are.
Saints only punted 35 times
It’s fuckin TRESS WAY
Skins fans should be worried about so many other things. The punter being snubbed should be the least of their worries right now.
His name means threesome in spanish tres=three
Oof, seeing NE at the bottom of any ST list must make Bill want to puke.
As every Vikings fan who watched the team last year knows, 0 touchbacks does not make a good punter.
Guys I'm starting to think that the average pro bowl voter doesn't have a real deep understanding of league wide special teams' performance.
Punter stats are hard to measure considering that they rely on the offenses stopping point and defenses ability to get off the field and all that.
Now if his name was Trey Way, he might've been able to start.
pls. just give us this for the love of god
Punts inside the 20 is a meaningless stat. It just says your team punts from midfield a lot. It’s not like the 20 is some magic line. Is the 20 that much better than the 21? 0 touchback is impressive. But 4 extra yards per punt over 70 punts is 280 extra yards for the Seattle punter. I’ll take the extra yards all day over the other 2 categories
They just can’t handle the BIG DICKson.
Andy Lee has 7 more punts than anyone else. That’s 1-2 games more worth of production.
99% of the time we joke about how shit the probowl voting is. The other 1% is us bitching about probowl snubs.
Andy Lee was snubbed this year
Hard to bang a touchback when your offense only gets to the 35.
Suck my Dickson
This? This is the reason Redskins fans are heated? This is the one you are picking?
Imagine being heated about which punter made the pro bowl
Redskins fans' priorities, week 9: THE NFC EAST IS OURS.
Redskins fans' priorities, week 16: Yo our punter should be in the Pro Bowl.
Skins fan here . Can confirm our punter not being in the pro bowl does not register on our list of concerns
Fuck that, the greatest field goal kicker in nfl history didn't get in the pro bowl. This is nothing compared to that
Redskins fans are really heated that no one gives a F about what they think
Lol because he isn't tops in anything else...don't hate on Michael Dickson, he smoked everyone this year as a rookie
It's fan voted. It's the fucking Pro Bowl. He is a punter. You're in the hunt for the playoffs. Jesus Christ.
They punt a lot. Coincidence? I think not. Seattle fucker was better
Dear god cry some more
Yeah he deserved it
My takeaway here is that the AFC has much better punting than the NFC
and he's got 13 more punts inside the 20 than the next NFC punter.
Tress Way single handedly won the first game vs. Dallas. All 5 of his punts were downed inside their 10 yard line.
but his team is racist and I didn’t want to vote for him.
That is pretty amazing.
You sure it’s not because their franchise qb in the first year of his contract just suffered a career ending inury, their stadium is on top of a Native American burial ground, their team name is disparaging to native Americans, their owner is awful, or their owner’s stooge GM is awful?
They should’ve been more pissed about signing Mark Sanchez.
Inside the 20 isn't even good without context?
I like Tress like the rest of you but yeah I'm never going to be "heated" over a football player being snubbed.