Our offense is worse than the dolphins and Bengals ☹.
Thanks for pointing out the chiefs I wouldn’t have seen them
Every week I look at this, and every week we're alone wandering the fuck off into that top left quadrant
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So we have the 3rd best defense and the 3rd worst offense. Those two should cancel each other out and make us about a .500 team. Seems about right....
Hey, our defense is back above the line! The last time this happened we backslid and lost to the Titans. But that's ok, we're only facing checks notes the Patriots
People sleeping on the chiefs. They look good
Back to being a top 5 defense!
remember when we had a defense?
The cowboys have all the stats of a 9-3 team except for the wins.
lines drawn are the MEDIAN
dotted line is 1:1
Defensive DVOA is reverse to put the BEST defenses on top
data via Football Outsiders
WEIGHTED DVOA represents an attempt to figure out how a team is playing right now, as opposed to over the season as a whole, by making recent games more important than earlier games.
We are in our own little world.
How did the Texans change so much after whooping up on the Pats?
Surprised our offense is that high after recent games.
We’re above average in defense... just like the chiefs?
On the correct side of both lines.. love it.
The Steelers are all alone up there
Supposedly we have an above average defense? I call bullshit. 10 of our players are very good, 1 is so fucking bad this season we can't overcome his negatives
We've leaped over the mendoza line
Man how do they Cowboys manage to be decent on both sides of the ball and have yet to win a game against a winning team?
The Bucs are the most interesting team to me. We tend to think their offense is good but defense is bad. This indicates the opposite. Them Jameis Winston turnovers really hurt efficiency.
Yep. We're an 8-8 team.
wait we're a top 5 defense?
not bad but not great hopefully things improve
We're running the bend and break defense this year.
The playoffs could go any which way this year.
We're the epitome of average. How cool.
I swear, the Eagles never move from very average.
i do not like vance joseph
Browns smack dab in the middle. Much better than the last time I looked at one of these charts!
Hey whatcha all doing over there?
How are we still middle of the road??
Bengals are the 4th worst offense and the 4th worst defense.
Dolphins (worst defense and 5th worst offense) might be the only team that's as bad as us.
We're like those Raiders teams from a decade ago that would finish with a #2 defense or something despite getting no help on offense and even losing the time of possession battle in many games.
Hmm by these standards the Texans should have been blown out by both the chiefs and patriots. Weird how the won. How is it true that a barely above average offense destroy The top defense, that being the patriots?
So if I’m reading this right we have a not negative defense and a bad offense. The former is more surprising than the latter. I’ve been trying to tell people Jameis ain’t it
Reminder Brady gets carried by his defense. Reminder he’s always had great Olines. remember B.B. made him what he is and Brady wouldn’t be great without him.
Bucs are on here as having a good Defense but bad offense...? My guess is bc of all the turnovers teams have a lot of short field possession TDs and the Bucs dont give up as many yards as they normally would . Jamies broke the system
Wow, Raiders with the 2nd worst defense in the NFL?
Looks about right
It still baffles me we have the second best offense in the league... Does everyone else just suck eggs on offense or something because Dallas's offense seems mediocre at best with no running game.
This is all that needs to be said for the Falcons.
Fuck Quinn. Fuck Dimitroff. Fuck McCay. Burn it all down. Those three are actively hurting this franchise's ability to win.
Seahawks D continues the steady climb on this chart. You love to see it
Just put zero in the middle of each axis. I am so triggered by this.
Thanks, I hate it.
I'm really surprised we're average.
That top rated SF defense that is about to lose a second time to the Seahawks O machine. 👀
This is dumb. Our defense is best in the league, bar none. And our offense should be much better than what's shown here considering we're second in the league in points per game and second in rushing.
The Miami motherfucking Dolphins have a better offense than us
Everyone’s been talking about Lamar, but this defense has quietly gone from 29 to 4.
very sad cheese noises
Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
How tf are we near average in offense?
The Ravens are 1st in Offense, 4th in Defense, and 2nd in Special Teams. The whole team is playing incredible football.
Raven fans have spent a long time wondering what their usually good to great defense and special teams could do with even an average offense. Suddenly we have the best offense in the league and the results are awesome.
So are we doing good???
Bless the Ravens defensive turnaround
And the Dolphins still scored more points on us than the Rams.
People will sleep on the eagles defense carrying them to the playoffs.
I find it hard to believe the Pats offense is better than the 49ers. Any idea why DVOA would put them above the 49ers?
Vikings a big time sleeper.
The ravens offense is on par with the 49ers defense, but the ravens defense is better than the 9ers offense. Not saying we’re gonna win but that’s a good sign for us
After the last two games, we climbed to slightly over the x-axis in defense. If the ofense could mantain his position and the defense keep climbing, maybe, this season could be special after all.
Seahawks went from 27th defense to 16th over the last two games. The D has been rapidly getting much much better.
Second half Seahawks are here.
Nice. Our defense inched past that 4th quarter into first. Hope vikings and those pesky wrs don't wreck us again
BALANCE IN ALL THINGS
WE HAVE ASCENDED TO PERFECT AVERAGENESS 8 - 8 HERE WE COME
It’s nice to see the Patriots excel in something
alright bitches we're in the good quadrant, its over for you
Is this for Weeks 1-12 or Week 12 only?
How is our offense better than the Jets? I can't even imagine our offense scoring 34 points this year.
I hate being one of those fans who only looks at these things to see how my team is doing but I have to say it’s a god damn miracle to be not last in this anymore. We were single handedly forcing the paramètres of this graph to go left because of our offensive ineptitude without Sam. Now we’re fairly quickly returning back to the mean. With games coming against some relatively weak opponents and the team clicking, o hope to get back near that upper right quadrant by seasons end!
How are the Texans and lions nearly the same?
The Browns have achieved equilibrium.
kliff is love, kliff is life
Kind of sad that there are teams with worse offenses than us
Hmmm. Nothing noteworthy here.
sees Green Bay
seeing us in the bottom right corner
I'm deeply interested in hearing Green Bays opinion on game officiating.
How could the Packers POSSIBLY be all the way up there? Any GB fan will tell you it's just a myth that they get help like that...
Me coming into this thread like
Can’t wait to hear Green Bay fans tell us how they get hit with calls too and it’s not that much in their favor.
Also kinda surprised how few penalties it looks like are involved with Steelers games
Oh Saints. We're sorry.
EDIT - About the Seahawks: Not sorry, you deserve it.
I'm sure that 75% of the first downs gained by opposing teams have been hands to the face penalties.
I’d like to see the automatic first down eliminated for things other than some personal fouls.
Assess the yardage and replay the down. Maybe make defensive holding 10 yards. But seeing a 3rd and 25 converted due to a defensive hold is ludicrous.
Oh hi Patriots
Ppl don’t need us to commit a penalty to gain first downs on our defense
Hey maybe those refs helping the Packers and fucking the Lions wasn’t bullshit this whole time
I would have loved to see a poll of /r/nfl that asked how people felt teams ranked on this stat alongside the actual data
Seems about right
BUT THEY DONT GET THE CALLS ITS JUST A MYTH
The real question, can skill be taken into account when measuring this statistic or is it more referee favoritism?
Except if you're talking about the Patriots, obviously Robert Kraft pays the refs off because they're a bunch of cheaters.
I opened this and saw exactly what I expected to see.
Packers and Hawks, who woulda thought. I don’t think that Packers one is right... you need to add some collusion
This combined with the other saints post about penalties literally quantifies a anti-saints bias by officials. Absolutely nuts.
Literally one Packer fan trying to build a case in here. They know they are favored, they just don’t want to admit it out loud.
This should be scaled by number of 3rd downs on offense and defense for each team. The penalty rates for each team could be similar and we’d never know.
I fucking knew it.
Saving this thread for later, when I point out (yet again) that the refs continuously screw us over.
Meanwhile the refs are practically trying to hand games to the Packers. The Pats and Ravens are getting help too.
Why is it that us and the Seahawks have to face the other team and the refs, while these other "top" teams are objectively getting more help?
Packers lol. And to think that just Sunday we were hearing about how the refs don't favor them and everyone else is just a hater. I can't wait to hear them attempt to explain this one.
I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you.
Crazy. I was told by packer fans that I was delusional and salty when I said they benefit from a fuck ton of 3rd down conversions by penalty.
Is it time to complain about the Fail Mary?
Joking aside penalties aren't really the best way to look at biased officiating, remember non calls and of course favorable placement.
Now how am I supposed to run with my "league is fucking rigged" narrative when the Titans are the 2nd best penalty beneficiary?
Patriots in the middle of the pack. There goes this subs narrative about the Patriots. But I’m interested to heard Packers fans opinion on officiating
I want to see what this looks like when you remove offsides penalties, because you can't argue that refs are biased towards calling offsides for one team vs another when it's one of the most black and white penalties there is.
Yet another stat showing how inept the Giants are.
So does this prove that the Packers always get their way?
We've honestly been getting good calls from the refs for years
Stolen from u/dr_of_doge
This should be standardized by the number of third downs they've had as well. A bad defense may see fewer third downs as they give up first downs readily, which would push them artificially lower on this graph. Meanwhile, the Legion of Boom would force more long third downs, leading for more opportunities for penalties, putting them on the wrong end.
I'd also suggest splitting it up by either distance or type of penalty. PI is a bit subjective and subject to bias, but good QBs could get opponents to jump for free plays on third-and-4.
I don't think this'll fix everything, but it'd be interesting to see just how robust GB's outlier status is.
The difference between first and last on this chart is something like 4-6 first downs per year.
This doesn’t mean a thing if you ask me...
Hmmmm I wonder where the Seahawks and Packers will be on this.
Apperently no one on this subreddit can read a graph. You have no information about whether or not those penalties were justified meaning the only thing you can say for sure is that the Legion of boom was an undisciplined bunch and defenses tend to give green bay free first downs.
Saints fans are gonna use this to say they’re getting fucked by the refs while I’m gonna say this just shows their defense was so bad from ‘14 to ‘16 that they couldn’t do anything else to stop opponents on 3rd down than commit penalties
To be fair the reason why the Packers are so high is due to Rodgers xTching other teams in substitution and his hard count. He's so good at it they literally burn timeouts just to give him the chance to jump offsides
Yup. Nothing new here
Packers fans will talk the maddest shit, some of them feel like they’re the ones that got the short end of the stick because they won the game and had a bogus penalty or two go their way. “OMG now people will say that’s the only reason we won” and then every time they score a touchdown after that they’ll be all like, “oohhhhh that was totally because of a penalty rightttt???!!!” You’re not the victims here.
Steelers, Chiefs, Cleveland...so balanced.
Redskins defense doesn't need to commit penalties to give the other team a first down. 3rd & 12 is almost a gimme for opponents at this stage.
Josh Norman taps head... can't get called for pass interference if you let the receivers get wide open.
I’d like to see this done for 2000-2009 as well.
The most damning thing about this graph is the obvious correlation between benefitting on offense and not suffering on defense. Theoretically, while discipline and coaching should have an effect on each team's defensive penalties, the offense is accepting penalties vs. the league average team.
Do you have a chart that can break it down between home and away games?
Honestly a little surprised to see the Steelers were they are on the map.
The reason our defense gives up so few penalties is that they’re usually declined lol
I feel like the Giants have given up so many dumb penalties on 3rd down.
I guess you can’t get penalties on 3rd down if the other team converts on 1st and 2nd down taps forehead
I fucking knew we’d be leading this stat on the other side.
Aww so the cowboys aren't paying the refs like I'm told after every single penalty? I feel cheated.
I hate graphs like these where the starting values are set near the minimum values instead of 0. It causes people to overreact to each little outlier which on a full size graph looks much more reasonable.
There's actually a significant amount of bias here too because it was graphed as first down via penalties on 3rd down. A team that is in 3rd down more often on either offense or defense (or both) will be higher on this graph because it is not done via percentages. Additionally, teams with piss poor defense won't even be in 3rd down as often as teams that are good.
Obv Aaron Rodgers is notorious for drawing offsides with hard count. Seattle was known for being extremely aggressive on defense for most of the decade.
It'd be way more interesting to see this graph with percentages and maybe non-procedural first downs (offsides/12 men, etc).
Are these raw numbers? If so it's rather misleading. Having it as a rate per offensive drive or all first downs or number of third downs would be much better.
Teams that are on the field a lot on offense will have higher numbers.
Nice to see my money hard at work.
Am surprised that the Steelers are so low. Maybe I am really biased
I always knew the NFL was rigged in favor of the Tennessee Titans
interesting to be halfway here as the browns considering the sheer amount of penalties.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a QB get calls in his favor more than Rodgers on a consistent basis. I would be curious to see this same graphic but spanning multiple years
Edit: I’m an idiot and didn’t read the title of the graph. But I would also like to see this for all downs, not just 3rd down.
Maybe the Aaron Rodgers just draws people offsides more than the other QBs?
Yep that looks right
I was told the steelers get all the calls though.
I like this because it confirms my priors
If my math is right then this equates to a differential of +1 every three games for the Packers... on an already cherry picked stat of penalties on third down that results in a first down.
Hell yeah go Packers
Lol here we go again
So Seattle gets fucked raw by officials it seems
More Ben Baldwin OC. Automatic upvote. His entire twitter stream is full of excellent OC. @benbbaldwin
After digging deeper into this, there actually is one interesting tidbit.
If you remove 1st downs via free play(8 of the Packers 112), the difference between them and last place is basically the same difference between them and 2nd place in drawn illegal hands to the face penalties.
All other penalties show them league average or even a little below.
But hands to the face, the Packers are quite ridiculously far on front of #2.
Explanation for GB’s position at the upper left: Aaron Rodgers is really good at drawing opposing teams off-sides (and the team practices this so that the line reacts immediately to prevent the defensive player from being “unimpeded to the quarterback” and causing the play to be blown dead). With the defense, can’t draw a penalty on third down if you’re not near the guy with the ball to draw a penalty to begin with!
Edit: I worded the above a bit dumb and don’t want to edit it to make replies look weird, but basically with how the rules work Aaron Rodgers and the GB offense take advantage of the “proximity” definition provided within the neutral zone infraction rule to get the free plays, as the refs don’t blow the play dead for the center snapping the ball of a guy on the edge enters the neutral zone. The rest of the line is trained to stay disciplined and in their stance, it’s the Center who is reacting.
I fucking KNEW we were getting screwed! People don't believe there's a bias.
Packer fans in the GT Sun Night: PaCkErS GeT AlL tHe CaLlS
I'm not even gonna try anymore. Y'all need to look up the stats yourself. This data is cherry picked to fuck.
Chicago has more beneficiary calls than us this year ffs. https://www.nflpenalties.com/
The Titans have more yards. Go back through the lat 5 seasons and you'll see that the Packers are fairly middle of the road, and bounce between penalties roughly the same as any other team. Hell, we literally lost a division game last season on fucked up automatic first downs. One graph saying one thing in isolation is useless if you don't take the whole data set.
I'm here for the nephew takes.
The figures are a difference of 40 over the course of a decade. That's really not that serious. You people have daddy issues with this team man.
Does this mean the Packers see the least amount of negative penalties?
Dallas at New England should be interesting. Unstoppable force meets immovable object
Why is our defense above average WTF
Eagles looking great.... on paper.
Wait a minute, we have a good defense? I will take it.
The only reason our D looks so average is because they are out there for the entire fucking game
Me when I see this graph
The better the offense gets, the worse the defense gets, until you become the Cardinals, and then the defense gets better again.
What do I do with this information
God our offense is barely better than Miami and Cincinnati. I'm gonna kill myself
The lion is doing sex to the cardinal
Poor Falcons logo
HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK.
WE ARENT DEAD LAST IN OFFENSE. HOT DAMN!
We're definitely getting better. Offense still needs to fix their shit though.
We’re so average it hurts.
So if I’m reading this right we’ve only played 2 above average offenses all year, and we finish our schedule playing 5 more, will be fun to see just how good this defense is when it has to play top tier offenses.
One game against the Ravens, and the Texans defense falls from league average to Redskins level.
Ravens absolutely murdered our defense. We were pretty close to average last week.
Eagles just have to get healthy. If we get healthy, watch out.
If only we could field an offense with the and players for a few weeks in a row.
Is this same graph available for the end of the last couple of years? It'd be interesting to see what the eventual Super Bowl champion appeared on this.
Can we get one of these but only for the last two weeks? Thx
Wow, look at the slugfest of averageness that is the AFC South
How are we still better than Miami
Panthers are going to waste CMC’s prime aren’t they
3-7 falcons who are pretty much out of playoffs are identical to the 6-4 texans who are primed for 1st place in the division :(
Vikings defense has been kind of wonky this year and I think a lot of it is Zimmer is finally able to play uber-prevent defense because he has an explosive offense. I think he played 4 quarters of prevent defense against the Redskins and it was effective but painful to watch. It feels like he went from playing defense to never let the other team score, to being okay with them walking away with 3 instead 6-8. This is very anecdotal because I am a lazy /r/NFL guy, but it seems the redzone and inside the 30 is the only time we see those exotic sexy Mike Zimmer blitzes. Maybe he's saving it for later in the year, but I don't think I've seen many of those crazy defensive front 7's with Barr as a blitzing LB like we did in the pre-season.
Bull shit our defense isn’t rock bottom
HOW THE FUCK DID WE LOSE TO THE JETS GODDAMN
I tell ya what man, these guys we have here are a bunch of gruden grinders
Isn't their 1st round safety hurt?
Mike mayock GM of the year
Really sucks that the future is bright and Oakland doesn't get to be a part of it. Though if the Bills ever left, I think I'd still follow them... even to Vegas.
As discussed in a thread 2 days ago, Raiders rookies have been impressive this season but those stats are useless because they are boosted by the fact that Raiders field more rookies than anyone. The more rookies play the higher the stats will be. Poor data construction.
As an Alabama fan/student, Renfrow looking good in the NFL has crushed my soul
Its good but I dont see how its better than Marshon Lattimore, Ryan Ramczyk, Marcus Williams, and Alvin Kamara.
Looks like Mayock and Gruden know what they’re doing after all.
Not to mention big contributions from our UDFA’s in Alec Ingold and AJ Cole
Abram is gonna be a great fit next year too.
Great class but not the best in the last 3 years let alone 10.
I’ll take Saints or Chiefs 2017 class above it.
Saints - Great CB, Great OT, very good Safety, Great RB and a few other good pieces.
Chiefs - Mahomes by himself is more valuable
Finally drafting correctly after getting rid of Reggie McKenzie.
Can't wait for this upcoming offseason. ~$80m in cap or so, two 1st round picks and we'll get Abram back as well. It'll be like having 3 first round picks again. :)
They have exicting future if they can just stay together and out trouble! They need work penalties though
Ferrell has been really good the last couple weeks too. That Bears trade I always thought was a win/win, but Mayock and Gruden look brilliant right now.
Max Crosby, Ferrell, Abram, Jacobs, ans Renfrow. Add Karl Joseph to the mix, Hurst, the DB they drafted, and the TE they drafted (forget names), and they may be division favourites next year.
Very early on, but I think this is the beginning of a dynasty.
!remindme 6 years
Y'all laughed at Gruden too. They're doing incredible over there
Lol they turned Renfrow's goober ass around for the graphic
Almost like a guy who has been setting draft boards for years knows a thing or two about talent.
I mean this class is amazing for them, but is it better than the colts haul last year? I don’t think so. Obviously biased but 2 all pros and multiple starters.
I get this is a great class but damn imagine josh Allen instead of Clelin
And then there's Clelin Ferrell, who's there just because fuck having things work out.
Raiders back to being scary, nice
I don't know what EPA is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
e: But it looks like this Kirk guy is pretty darn good.
NFC North dominant
Purple #8 good
Haskins and Rosen in a league of their own.
Ryan Tannehill breakout season?
Cousins playing out of his mind. Was pretty happy when he left the Redskins, he was good and I was starting to like a Washington player. Couldn't have that.
I thought Kyle Allen was the second coming of Tom Brady?
Those team logos look really uncomfortable.
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Delete this Nephew, how are we suppose to trade Rosen for a 1st round pick?
Ayyy Josh made it into the positives finally! Nice
Minshew mania rotting away on the bench
Soooooo have the haters... won?
Surprisingly, Rayne Dakota Prescott turns out to be good at football
imagine how dominate the 9ers would be if they had an above average qb
That Rosen kid just needs another chance according to all of r/NFL
So tier 1 is Lamar & Cousins, tier 2 is Dak & Wilson? (Based on that diagonal lines tier grouping thing that I've seen on other graphs like this one)?
My quick & dirty diagonal lines addition
I still feel really weird that it is correct for me to look to the very top right to find my quarterback
The best quarterbacks are purple.
Hey look at the Vikings, Packers and Lions... clearly the cream of the crop.
And then there is Trubisky. Fucking it up. Like always
Impossible I thought jimmy g wasn’t the real deal
If comparing QB's, I like the move of ignoring WR fumbles for EPA/play. The QB did their job and got it in the hands of the WR. Just a thought.
That would bump up Wilson's EPA/play, as he's had several WR's fumble the ball, one of them being returned for a defensive TD, the other being a fumble right at the goalline, both massively negative EPA plays
Pretty depressing graph for the Redskins
Well at least the Redskins are winning off the field
Carr better than Brady conFIRMed
But...but...but Rosen just hasn't had any help!!!!!!
I'd be terrified of Ryan Fitzpatrick on a team like the Chiefs that promote long passed with good weapons.
Sure, if you look at raw stats and ignore the fact that 4 of his 6.5 sacks came in one game
No he doesn't jesus christ. He's doing good but why do you guys keep spamming him in this sub.
If those stats were tho only things that mattered, you'd be correct.
Yeah but watch bosa.
Bosa had a crazy amount of pressures not resulting in sacks in the first couple games. Four of Crosby’s sacks came against the Bungles. Let’s not get carried away. Crosby has been really good, but Bosa has been otherworldly.
Not yet. Hes a good player for sure. But Bosa disrupts every snap. Its not even close. Bosa is the droy up to this point.
After 1 dominating game? Bosa has been dominating all year
Everyone’s mentioning pressure, here are the numbers
Bosa: 49 pressures / 265 pass rushes 18.5%Crosby: 33/294 11.22%
Pretty big difference
And we have LJ Collier doing nothing
Yeah... Thanks for passing on Josh Allen
As rock hard as this makes me as a Raider fan, Bosa is still the clear favorite. Crosby would have to have lights out performances the next 6 weeks to even be considered tbh
Edit: welp looks like everyone else already said it lol
Come on dude. I’m a Raiders fan and this is such a shit comparison. Bosa has been pressuring QBs at a much higher rate and Crosby got 4 of his 7 sacks in one game. He’s been a great 4th round pick and maybe if Bosa didn’t exist I’d argue he’d be in contention for DROY, but that’s not the case. The gap between Bosa and all other defensive rookies is huuuuuuge. His skill level and ability to play the game is at an All-Pro level. He’s in contention for DROY and DPOY. That’s how good he’s been.
i mean, he's obviously not the DROY, but i don't think there's a lot else to talk about besides the clear choice (Bosa). i get a lot of raiders press in my life but he definitely feels like part of the conversation. that's not to say he should be in contention. he shouldn't, and everyone tends to agree about that pretty quickly. but once someone says "besides bosa?" he's the name, sure.
Yeah, maybe a "should this guy be DROY? Nah"
Knock on wood if you are with me - need to bring it back. All this winning and r/NFL has stopped using it
Nick Bosa has 7 sacks against NFL teams. Crosby has 2.5 sacks against NFL teams and 4 against the Bengals. This would have been laughable last week. He had 1 good game against one of the worst teams in NFL history.
And for the rest of the story outside the "I only include it if it makes my case" stats. Bosa has an INT, Crosby does not. Bosa has 9 QB hits, Crosby has 4. Crosby is a good player. Bosa is a much, much, much better player than Crosby.
Go EMU!!! We dont get much but we got somebody to be proud of.
Meanwhile our First Round DE has played like 10 snaps the whole season.
Im just here to point out that comparing defensive players by statistics alone is stupid and inaccurate.
Maxx has been great, good to see from a 4th round pick.
no he doesn't lmao
This thread is that conversation.
He had one really good game against the worst team in the NFL. Yall need to chill
Unless nick gets injured, or Josh Allen goes on some sack spree, it's Bosa's to lose
this is the kind of shit that makes people hate certain players irrationally.
No, he doesn't.
He's a very good rookie so far and showing every little bit of why some scouts + PFF said he was a super underrated pass rushing prospect but you're setting him up to look bad when you put him in this convo.
I was wondering where all the cherries went on my cherry tree.
He also survived being a featured player on Hard Knocks
4 of Crosbys 6.5 sacks came in 1 game from the worst team in the league. Baby Bosa has been a consistent nightmare all season
Is he that guy that mocked the belt when you guys played us?
If you watch the games, teams are making it a consistent point to crack, chip our double Bosa now. Fitzgerald laid him out on a crack back block last game. Which was somewhat blind sided but that's kind how those blocks are.
I agree. He's been fucking stellar.
Winovich has looked great as a rookie also. I’d like to see where he stacks up against these guys
Lol I read Maxx Crosby as Mason Crosby...
I like how you saw one pass defensed for bosa when it was an interception. Let alone all the interceptions that have come from bosas pressures.
Stats against the Bengals don't count towards regular season totals. They are division 2
Devin Bush pls
Defensive 4th round rookie of the year definitely.
Bosa has played like a veteran from day one.
You forgot the interception.
Sure he deserves to be part of the conversation but it would be a very short conversation.
what is this phrasing "passes defensed"? doesn't look like this includes Bosa's interception, unless that is now a "pass defensed"
Lol, why don't you ask yourself this question:
Who would you rather have on your team?
10/10 people who aren't Maxx's Mom say Nick.
The dude's a beast, no doubt, but come on.
Lmao I'm getting ptsd from when everyone was trying to take away macks five sack game for playing against a shitty tackle. Last time I checked, bosa played the Bengals and didn't do anything. He also got 3 sacks in one game. Obviously he's better but don't take away anything from Maxx for destroying a bad team
He is not on same level as Bosa, but I don't fucking care. I love him and would allow him to perform Prima Noctum with my bride.
He spells his name like a porn star.
Uh Who said he wasn’t? It’s obviously a two man race
Looks like he is now
Nick Bosa has slowed down the last couple a weeks there are definitely a few above him now.
It will be close. But the name probably gets the call so I'd put money on Bosa. We shall see if he performs in this upcoming stretch of tough games. Meanwhile Crosby has games against the Jetes, Broncos, and Chargers
This a joke? He had a hell of a game, but it's been less than a week. Also, the Chargers O-Line is just horrible. Reminds me of the 2017-18 Colts O-Line.
Half of those stats came in one game.
It was one great game against the worst team in the NFL. Cmon.
IT’S NOT A PHASE, MOM!! I’M A LOS ANGELES TEAM NOW!!!
EDIT: Grammatically pure now
I think SD stands for Sad Dad in this instance
They should just call themselves San Diego Chargers still.
They play in LA but they aren’t LA. Kinda like the NY Giants play in Jersey but aren’t NJ. Or the SF 49ers play in Santa Clara.
The best solution to the LA team confusion is to have one of the teams move to Anchorage. Nobody in the world is gonna forget about the Alaska Chargers, and their home games would be lit.
Yup I still call san Diego. Habbit. But it's also a dig at them for fucking over their city
Im firmly in the "they should just move back and never talk about it" phase of my grief.
Just walk in to the new SDSU stadium like my felon cousin at thanksgiving. Like nothing happened.
They are still from San Diego in everyone's hearts
They should just embrace the "sports entertainment" angle and start listing them as coming from "Parts Unknown".
Anytime I see LAC on the score feed, I always think of the Clippers before thinking of the Chargers.
Do we really expect professionalism out of the people who work on the MNF broadcast?
They should have put London and seen Spanos' reaction
they'll always be from San Diego in our hearts
They'll always be the San Diego Chargers in my heart.
They are the San Diego chargers of LA.
Disney+ is sucking up all of their resources.
Fuck you Spanos!
Happens to the best of us
If I talk about the Chargers I have to actually force myself in my head to say Los Angeles a few times because I always forget they’re not in San Diego anymore
One of my favorite ESPN promos ever was when they were doing the Thursday or Sunday Night Football promos in 1994. They were doing the commercials with the electric football players (the little plastic ones that would "run" on the field).
The "field" is decorated like an airport and a voice says "Welcome to Los Angeles". A bunch of Packers players come out of a gate yelling "YEAH!" and leave the frame. 2 seconds later they go back through the gate muttering "Stupid stupid stupid"
The announcer says "It's the Green Bay Packers vs the ST LOUIS Rams"
Obligatory fuck Dean Spanos?
Good. We should never have left San Diego.
Never forget San Diego
No one in LA cares for them. Even the announcers still call them the San Diego Chargers, lol
Rivers looks... different
They just ARE the San Diego Chargers. Nobody will convince me otherwise.
They will always be San Diego to me.
You don't get to pick your nickname. It was San Diego. It will be San Diego. You will die and San Diego will be on the tombstone.
San Diego Chargers of Los Angeles?
Los Angeles Rams of St. Louis from Los Angeles?
Raiders... ah, fuck it. West Coast Raiders?
In the everyday world I hear more people still call them the San Diego Chargers not the LA Chargers.
I'd love to think this is intentional and even ESPN hates Spanos but probably not.
Hell there's analysts on the other networks who still catch themselves calling them the San Diego Chargers.
Fuck you Spanos
The fact that it took me a second to recognize what’s wrong with this...
Just move back already 😂
so all the times madden still calls them the san diego chargers was them just being authentic to the broadcast experience
No one from LA or San Diego cares
As they should be
I still call them / think SD still.
To live and die in LA..... Chargers died in LA
Because it should be.
Even ESPN thinks the Chargers should have stayed in San Diego and ESPN is obsessed with Los Angeles.
This is like when Smite changed "Purification Beads" to just like "Purification" or something and people kept calling it "Beads" despite the word having been entirely removed from the game until they finally just realized people would never change and put it back.
The moral of the story - move back to SD. Why does LA just randomly get 2 teams?
I'll never think of them as an LA team. They are San Diego for life. Dumb ass decision by owners.
Every time i see LAC i think LA Clippers. I just call them the Clippers now
As it should be.
Because they are still from San Diego
source: live in LA
ESPN does nothing right anymore. Literally nothing. Their reporters are ass. Their journalistic integrity is non-existent. And the "news" is just dumbass talking heads and bimbo-women who have no idea what the fuck they are talking about. It's just memes and bullshit and garbage.
Maybe if everyone keeps saying San diego chargers, they will eventually just move back. Or if they can't get a stadium deal done, they could move to San Diego, TX, where they would probably get higher attendance
You almost wonder if its intentional at this point.
I’m pretty sure more people still show up to the San Diego stadium on Sundays.
I'll start calling them the L.A. Chargers when they start having more fans at their home games than the visiting team.
The San Diego Chargers of Los Angeles is the team's official name
You really can't blame them. I still catch myself saying it every once in a while.
Incompetent news source for an incompetent franchise. It's almost poetic.
Maybe they moved back and it wasn't reported because nobody cares about the Chargers.
As they should be.
Me gusta, mucho
Just call them “The Chargers”. No town actually wants them, they can just stand or fall on their own.
San Diego Chargers of Los Angeles.
As it should
Well their home sure as shit isn't LA
What’s up with Phil Rivers’ face?
fuck dean spanos
I mean, does it really matter?
Where would the Chargers rank in terms of worst relocations in sports history?
To be fair... I still accidentally call them San Diego.
To be honest - shame on ESPN. They should have their shit fixed
ESPN is right tho
San Dimas chargers
The jags redid their logo years ago and ESPN still shows the wrong one....
This is the type of fuck-up I can relate to on a personal level.
I mean, San Diego to LA is about the same distance as San Francisco to Santa Clara, amirite?
Tough times for the SD based Chargers fans out there.
I still call them San Diego Chargers
They can stay in LA, but should change to the California Chargers and make it simpler.
It stands for Sutton Down, a park in London
Move them back
They should have never left SD in the first place.
Prediction, game won’t be nearly as good as Seattle versus San Francisco
It's correct. The SD stands for "Same Damn" Chargers.
Let's move two teams to the same city. They'll definitely love and cherish both equally...
I’m sure Booger has something to do with this. He has ruined MNF for me.
I think it stands for Sucks Dick
Looks like Rivers has a goiter here
Looks like future rendering of Rivers, after he retires and puts on a few pounds
Just move them to Winnipeg....The Winnipeg Winter Chargers....I'll call the league and get this rolling
In before they are the LON Chargers
how could a kicker miss by THAT much, I know it's off topic but I'm still bitter
Cross it off then.
Jefes y Cargadores
They're doing it to attract Mexican fans from TJ, they know what they're doing its no accident
This isn't out of date, that will be their new acronym when they move to South Dorshirster
Maybe they know something we don't....
..or maybe they just got lazy. One can dream.
That's why you have your own network
As it should be
The Chargers should build their own stadium in Orange County and split the difference. The Inglewood stadium will never really be theirs.
Good job ESPN
Only in their third year in LA understandable
And these scars remind me the past is real
They couldn't be arsed to get a photo of Mahomes looking at the camera either...
I also still say the St Louis Rams.
Yo they made Rivers look really bad 😂
Brought to you by the company that thought Booger MacFarland was a good hire for commentary.
drinking a $14 beer at LAX about to board a flight to MEXICO CITY
I live somewhere between LA and SD and I even sometimes forget they moved
Or perhaps they'll be the San Antonio Chargers or the Toronto Chargers or the Mexico City Chargers or the London Chargers...
It's about sending a message
“Sorta Diego” /u/hamiltonblack
Madden doesn't look so dumb now, huh?!
Poor chargers! Nobody wants them..
Fuck dean spanos
When I see them abbreviated as LAC, I think they are the Clippers.
I love it lmfao
Seems like any game of theirs I watch someone slips and calls them San Diego still
ESPN needs an intervention. They need to get on some kind of program. Hire a life coach.
The San Fans Chargers.
Ooof… Looks like they haven't accepted it either.
Wait, they put something on ESPN that doesn't relate to Lebron? Amazing!
Go Charge Go
No one cares where they are lol
Lovin rivers slight double chin here
Doesn’t everyone still call them San Diego??
Super Dank Chargers.
chargers back to san diego confirmed?
Saaan Diiiiiegoooo... SUUUUPEEER-CHAAAAAAAARGEERS!
Mahomes looks like the "tough one" from a boy band here
SD: Southampton District, London.
Think ESPN would ever forget LeBron went to LA?
Just move back already
I mean there is a good chance that there are more fans from San Diego at their games than Los Angeles fans.
Well who would give up the city of Whale’s Vagina?
You can take the Chargers out of San Diego but you can't take the San Diego out of the Chargers.
Maybe it stands for "South Derby"..... a little foreshadowing of an overseas move??
It’ll probably take a decade for this to stop. I still call them SD out of habit. A lot of sports commentators and broadcasters do too. Hell, I think even rivers said San Diego once or twice. LA just feels so unnatural that nobody can get used to it.