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Weighted Defensive DVOA :: Weighted Offensive DVOA - Week 13

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COMMENTS

  • Sonickill7
    140 points Dec 04,2019, 10:25am

    Our offense is worse than the dolphins and Bengals ☹.

  • SeriousCowboy
    292 points Dec 04,2019, 10:16am

    Thanks for pointing out the chiefs I wouldn’t have seen them

  • Faceless_Fan
    194 points Dec 04,2019, 10:32am

    Every week I look at this, and every week we're alone wandering the fuck off into that top left quadrant

  • kkocan72
    48 points Dec 04,2019, 10:58am

    So we have the 3rd best defense and the 3rd worst offense. Those two should cancel each other out and make us about a .500 team. Seems about right....

  • fear865
    34 points Dec 04,2019, 10:20am

    Perfectly balanced

  • hyphenjack
    60 points Dec 04,2019, 10:19am

    Hey, our defense is back above the line! The last time this happened we backslid and lost to the Titans. But that's ok, we're only facing checks notes the Patriots

  • Ephyouseakay
    78 points Dec 04,2019, 10:16am

    People sleeping on the chiefs. They look good

  • ELITELamarJackson
    24 points Dec 04,2019, 10:21am

    Back to being a top 5 defense!

  • Craaaazyyy
    16 points Dec 04,2019, 11:01am

    remember when we had a defense?

  • sfw_oceans
    29 points Dec 04,2019, 12:57pm

    The cowboys have all the stats of a 9-3 team except for the wins.

  • keithyp24
    11 points Dec 04,2019, 10:14am

    lines drawn are the MEDIAN

    dotted line is 1:1

    Defensive DVOA is reverse to put the BEST defenses on top

    data via Football Outsiders

    WEIGHTED DVOA represents an attempt to figure out how a team is playing right now, as opposed to over the season as a whole, by making recent games more important than earlier games.

  • smokey5656
    12 points Dec 04,2019, 10:52am

    We are in our own little world.

  • corrydog
    8 points Dec 04,2019, 10:20am

    How did the Texans change so much after whooping up on the Pats?

  • paperboy0412
    9 points Dec 04,2019, 10:33am

    Surprised our offense is that high after recent games.

  • H3nta1Fnatic
    5 points Dec 04,2019, 1:57pm

    We’re above average in defense... just like the chiefs?

  • thewaiting28
    6 points Dec 04,2019, 2:34pm

    On the correct side of both lines.. love it.

  • beardog7
    3 points Dec 04,2019, 10:31am

    The Steelers are all alone up there

  • Thelonius--Drunk
    2 points Dec 04,2019, 11:40am

    Supposedly we have an above average defense? I call bullshit. 10 of our players are very good, 1 is so fucking bad this season we can't overcome his negatives

  • hideous_coffee
    2 points Dec 04,2019, 11:53am

    We've leaped over the mendoza line

  • 1109278008
    2 points Dec 04,2019, 1:00pm

    Man how do they Cowboys manage to be decent on both sides of the ball and have yet to win a game against a winning team?

  • fantasticmoo
    2 points Dec 04,2019, 2:22pm

    The Bucs are the most interesting team to me. We tend to think their offense is good but defense is bad. This indicates the opposite. Them Jameis Winston turnovers really hurt efficiency.

  • ksobby
    2 points Dec 04,2019, 3:13pm

    Yep. We're an 8-8 team.

  • _dotdot11
    2 points Dec 04,2019, 3:56pm

    wait we're a top 5 defense?

  • braungetthesehands
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 10:31am

    not bad but not great hopefully things improve

  • Icurasfox
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 10:31am

    We're running the bend and break defense this year.

  • Alexmd323
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 10:35am

    The playoffs could go any which way this year.

  • DictatorSalad
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 10:37am

    We're the epitome of average. How cool.

  • sebastianqu
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 10:59am

    I swear, the Eagles never move from very average.

  • bigdongdanny
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 11:48am

    i do not like vance joseph

  • randominternetdad
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 12:21pm

    Browns smack dab in the middle. Much better than the last time I looked at one of these charts!

  • ReverendDongoPewee
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 12:58pm

    Hey whatcha all doing over there?

  • DtotheOUG
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 1:18pm

    How are we still middle of the road??

  • I_am_-c
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 1:30pm

    Bengals are the 4th worst offense and the 4th worst defense.

    Dolphins (worst defense and 5th worst offense) might be the only team that's as bad as us.

  • Wahsteve
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 1:45pm

    We're like those Raiders teams from a decade ago that would finish with a #2 defense or something despite getting no help on offense and even losing the time of possession battle in many games.

  • Ohl206
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 2:15pm

    Hmm by these standards the Texans should have been blown out by both the chiefs and patriots. Weird how the won. How is it true that a barely above average offense destroy The top defense, that being the patriots?

  • SaxRohmer
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 3:51pm

    So if I’m reading this right we have a not negative defense and a bad offense. The former is more surprising than the latter. I’ve been trying to tell people Jameis ain’t it

  • mcmcman
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 4:28pm

    Reminder Brady gets carried by his defense. Reminder he’s always had great Olines. remember B.B. made him what he is and Brady wouldn’t be great without him.

  • Untchj
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 4:37pm

    Bucs are on here as having a good Defense but bad offense...? My guess is bc of all the turnovers teams have a lot of short field possession TDs and the Bucs dont give up as many yards as they normally would . Jamies broke the system

  • ctong21
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 4:48pm

    Wow, Raiders with the 2nd worst defense in the NFL?

  • TheeVande
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 5:01pm

    Looks about right

  • cowboys5xsbs
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 5:04pm

    It still baffles me we have the second best offense in the league... Does everyone else just suck eggs on offense or something because Dallas's offense seems mediocre at best with no running game.

  • TheRamblaGambla
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 5:12pm

    This is all that needs to be said for the Falcons.

    Fuck Quinn. Fuck Dimitroff. Fuck McCay. Burn it all down. Those three are actively hurting this franchise's ability to win.

  • lolVerbivore
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 5:48pm

    Seahawks D continues the steady climb on this chart. You love to see it

  • socsa
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 6:05pm

    Just put zero in the middle of each axis. I am so triggered by this.

  • OhReseT
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 6:59pm

    Thanks, I hate it.

  • ConciselyVerbose
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 7:34pm

    I'm really surprised we're average.

  • Kishiro
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 10:33am

    That top rated SF defense that is about to lose a second time to the Seahawks O machine. 👀

  • HawkofDarkness
    -22 points Dec 04,2019, 11:17am

    This is dumb. Our defense is best in the league, bar none. And our offense should be much better than what's shown here considering we're second in the league in points per game and second in rushing.

COMMENTS

  • Sonickill7
    140 points Dec 04,2019, 10:25am

    Our offense is worse than the dolphins and Bengals ☹.

  • SeriousCowboy
    292 points Dec 04,2019, 10:16am

    Thanks for pointing out the chiefs I wouldn’t have seen them

  • Faceless_Fan
    194 points Dec 04,2019, 10:32am

    Every week I look at this, and every week we're alone wandering the fuck off into that top left quadrant

  • nope96
    122 points Dec 04,2019, 10:44am

    The Miami motherfucking Dolphins have a better offense than us

    How

    Why

  • kkocan72
    48 points Dec 04,2019, 10:58am

    So we have the 3rd best defense and the 3rd worst offense. Those two should cancel each other out and make us about a .500 team. Seems about right....

  • fear865
    34 points Dec 04,2019, 10:20am

    Perfectly balanced

  • hyphenjack
    60 points Dec 04,2019, 10:19am

    Hey, our defense is back above the line! The last time this happened we backslid and lost to the Titans. But that's ok, we're only facing checks notes the Patriots

  • Ephyouseakay
    78 points Dec 04,2019, 10:16am

    People sleeping on the chiefs. They look good

  • ELITELamarJackson
    24 points Dec 04,2019, 10:21am

    Back to being a top 5 defense!

  • Craaaazyyy
    16 points Dec 04,2019, 11:01am

    remember when we had a defense?

  • sfw_oceans
    29 points Dec 04,2019, 12:57pm

    The cowboys have all the stats of a 9-3 team except for the wins.

  • keithyp24
    11 points Dec 04,2019, 10:14am

    lines drawn are the MEDIAN

    dotted line is 1:1

    Defensive DVOA is reverse to put the BEST defenses on top

    data via Football Outsiders

    WEIGHTED DVOA represents an attempt to figure out how a team is playing right now, as opposed to over the season as a whole, by making recent games more important than earlier games.

  • smokey5656
    12 points Dec 04,2019, 10:52am

    We are in our own little world.

  • corrydog
    8 points Dec 04,2019, 10:20am

    How did the Texans change so much after whooping up on the Pats?

  • paperboy0412
    9 points Dec 04,2019, 10:33am

    Surprised our offense is that high after recent games.

  • H3nta1Fnatic
    5 points Dec 04,2019, 1:57pm

    We’re above average in defense... just like the chiefs?

  • thewaiting28
    6 points Dec 04,2019, 2:34pm

    On the correct side of both lines.. love it.

  • beardog7
    3 points Dec 04,2019, 10:31am

    The Steelers are all alone up there

  • Thelonius--Drunk
    2 points Dec 04,2019, 11:40am

    Supposedly we have an above average defense? I call bullshit. 10 of our players are very good, 1 is so fucking bad this season we can't overcome his negatives

  • hideous_coffee
    2 points Dec 04,2019, 11:53am

    We've leaped over the mendoza line

  • 1109278008
    2 points Dec 04,2019, 1:00pm

    Man how do they Cowboys manage to be decent on both sides of the ball and have yet to win a game against a winning team?

  • fantasticmoo
    2 points Dec 04,2019, 2:22pm

    The Bucs are the most interesting team to me. We tend to think their offense is good but defense is bad. This indicates the opposite. Them Jameis Winston turnovers really hurt efficiency.

  • ksobby
    2 points Dec 04,2019, 3:13pm

    Yep. We're an 8-8 team.

  • _dotdot11
    2 points Dec 04,2019, 3:56pm

    wait we're a top 5 defense?

  • braungetthesehands
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 10:31am

    not bad but not great hopefully things improve

  • Icurasfox
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 10:31am

    We're running the bend and break defense this year.

  • Alexmd323
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 10:35am

    The playoffs could go any which way this year.

  • DictatorSalad
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 10:37am

    We're the epitome of average. How cool.

  • sebastianqu
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 10:59am

    I swear, the Eagles never move from very average.

  • bigdongdanny
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 11:48am

    i do not like vance joseph

  • randominternetdad
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 12:21pm

    Browns smack dab in the middle. Much better than the last time I looked at one of these charts!

  • ReverendDongoPewee
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 12:58pm

    Hey whatcha all doing over there?

  • DtotheOUG
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 1:18pm

    How are we still middle of the road??

  • I_am_-c
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 1:30pm

    Bengals are the 4th worst offense and the 4th worst defense.

    Dolphins (worst defense and 5th worst offense) might be the only team that's as bad as us.

  • Wahsteve
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 1:45pm

    We're like those Raiders teams from a decade ago that would finish with a #2 defense or something despite getting no help on offense and even losing the time of possession battle in many games.

  • Ohl206
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 2:15pm

    Hmm by these standards the Texans should have been blown out by both the chiefs and patriots. Weird how the won. How is it true that a barely above average offense destroy The top defense, that being the patriots?

  • SaxRohmer
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 3:51pm

    So if I’m reading this right we have a not negative defense and a bad offense. The former is more surprising than the latter. I’ve been trying to tell people Jameis ain’t it

  • mcmcman
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 4:28pm

    Reminder Brady gets carried by his defense. Reminder he’s always had great Olines. remember B.B. made him what he is and Brady wouldn’t be great without him.

  • Untchj
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 4:37pm

    Bucs are on here as having a good Defense but bad offense...? My guess is bc of all the turnovers teams have a lot of short field possession TDs and the Bucs dont give up as many yards as they normally would . Jamies broke the system

  • ctong21
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 4:48pm

    Wow, Raiders with the 2nd worst defense in the NFL?

  • TheeVande
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 5:01pm

    Looks about right

  • cowboys5xsbs
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 5:04pm

    It still baffles me we have the second best offense in the league... Does everyone else just suck eggs on offense or something because Dallas's offense seems mediocre at best with no running game.

  • TheRamblaGambla
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 5:12pm

    This is all that needs to be said for the Falcons.

    Fuck Quinn. Fuck Dimitroff. Fuck McCay. Burn it all down. Those three are actively hurting this franchise's ability to win.

  • lolVerbivore
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 5:48pm

    Seahawks D continues the steady climb on this chart. You love to see it

  • socsa
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 6:05pm

    Just put zero in the middle of each axis. I am so triggered by this.

  • OhReseT
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 6:59pm

    Thanks, I hate it.

  • ConciselyVerbose
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 7:34pm

    I'm really surprised we're average.

  • Kishiro
    1 points Dec 04,2019, 10:33am

    That top rated SF defense that is about to lose a second time to the Seahawks O machine. 👀

  • HawkofDarkness
    -22 points Dec 04,2019, 11:17am

    This is dumb. Our defense is best in the league, bar none. And our offense should be much better than what's shown here considering we're second in the league in points per game and second in rushing.

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Weighted Defensive DVOA :: Offensive DVOA - Week 12

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COMMENTS

  • Ephyouseakay
    68 points Nov 26,2019, 3:34pm

    Everyone’s been talking about Lamar, but this defense has quietly gone from 29 to 4.

  • Konabro
    18 points Nov 26,2019, 3:42pm

    very sad cheese noises

  • bigmikevegas
    28 points Nov 26,2019, 3:40pm

    Perfectly balanced as all things should be.

  • PhillyBooBird
    8 points Nov 26,2019, 3:53pm

    How tf are we near average in offense?

  • SunYat-Sen
    16 points Nov 26,2019, 4:25pm

    The Ravens are 1st in Offense, 4th in Defense, and 2nd in Special Teams. The whole team is playing incredible football.

    Raven fans have spent a long time wondering what their usually good to great defense and special teams could do with even an average offense. Suddenly we have the best offense in the league and the results are awesome.

  • outlaw2448
    5 points Nov 26,2019, 3:41pm

    So are we doing good???

  • mfergs
    13 points Nov 26,2019, 3:36pm

    Bless the Ravens defensive turnaround

  • Hydrium
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 3:53pm

    And the Dolphins still scored more points on us than the Rams.

  • SergeantCoke
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 4:42pm

    People will sleep on the eagles defense carrying them to the playoffs.

  • deadnought
    6 points Nov 26,2019, 5:20pm

    I find it hard to believe the Pats offense is better than the 49ers. Any idea why DVOA would put them above the 49ers?

  • Untchj
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 4:02pm

    Vikings a big time sleeper.

  • keithyp24
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 3:30pm

    lines drawn are the MEDIAN

    dotted line is 1:1

    Defensive DVOA is reverse to put the BEST defenses on top

    data via Football Outsiders

    WEIGHTED DVOA represents an attempt to figure out how a team is playing right now, as opposed to over the season as a whole, by making recent games more important than earlier games.

  • baltbeast
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 5:42pm

    The ravens offense is on par with the 49ers defense, but the ravens defense is better than the 9ers offense. Not saying we’re gonna win but that’s a good sign for us

  • monkeychango81
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 3:54pm

    After the last two games, we climbed to slightly over the x-axis in defense. If the ofense could mantain his position and the defense keep climbing, maybe, this season could be special after all.

  • Tashre
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:11pm

    Seahawks went from 27th defense to 16th over the last two games. The D has been rapidly getting much much better.

    Second half Seahawks are here.

  • aristocrat_user
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:31pm

    Nice. Our defense inched past that 4th quarter into first. Hope vikings and those pesky wrs don't wreck us again

  • Daviroth
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:42pm

    BALANCE IN ALL THINGS

  • RedBuchan
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:59pm

    WE HAVE ASCENDED TO PERFECT AVERAGENESS 8 - 8 HERE WE COME

  • FishKnees
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 5:05pm

    It’s nice to see the Patriots excel in something

  • saraath
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 5:36pm

    alright bitches we're in the good quadrant, its over for you

  • adamjshelly
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 5:56pm

    Is this for Weeks 1-12 or Week 12 only?

  • Kirueru
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:35pm

    How is our offense better than the Jets? I can't even imagine our offense scoring 34 points this year.

  • TypicalVegetarian
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:44pm

    I hate being one of those fans who only looks at these things to see how my team is doing but I have to say it’s a god damn miracle to be not last in this anymore. We were single handedly forcing the paramètres of this graph to go left because of our offensive ineptitude without Sam. Now we’re fairly quickly returning back to the mean. With games coming against some relatively weak opponents and the team clicking, o hope to get back near that upper right quadrant by seasons end!

  • wlabib03
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 7:28pm

    How are the Texans and lions nearly the same?

  • aaden08
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 3:46pm

    The Browns have achieved equilibrium.

  • SerShanksALot
    -1 points Nov 26,2019, 3:35pm

    kliff is love, kliff is life

COMMENTS

  • Ephyouseakay
    68 points Nov 26,2019, 3:34pm

    Everyone’s been talking about Lamar, but this defense has quietly gone from 29 to 4.

  • Konabro
    18 points Nov 26,2019, 3:42pm

    very sad cheese noises

  • bigmikevegas
    28 points Nov 26,2019, 3:40pm

    Perfectly balanced as all things should be.

  • Flacco4GoldJacket
    8 points Nov 26,2019, 3:37pm

    Kind of sad that there are teams with worse offenses than us

  • PhillyBooBird
    8 points Nov 26,2019, 3:53pm

    How tf are we near average in offense?

  • SunYat-Sen
    16 points Nov 26,2019, 4:25pm

    The Ravens are 1st in Offense, 4th in Defense, and 2nd in Special Teams. The whole team is playing incredible football.

    Raven fans have spent a long time wondering what their usually good to great defense and special teams could do with even an average offense. Suddenly we have the best offense in the league and the results are awesome.

  • outlaw2448
    5 points Nov 26,2019, 3:41pm

    So are we doing good???

  • mfergs
    13 points Nov 26,2019, 3:36pm

    Bless the Ravens defensive turnaround

  • Hydrium
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 3:53pm

    And the Dolphins still scored more points on us than the Rams.

  • SergeantCoke
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 4:42pm

    People will sleep on the eagles defense carrying them to the playoffs.

  • deadnought
    6 points Nov 26,2019, 5:20pm

    I find it hard to believe the Pats offense is better than the 49ers. Any idea why DVOA would put them above the 49ers?

  • Untchj
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 4:02pm

    Vikings a big time sleeper.

  • keithyp24
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 3:30pm

    lines drawn are the MEDIAN

    dotted line is 1:1

    Defensive DVOA is reverse to put the BEST defenses on top

    data via Football Outsiders

    WEIGHTED DVOA represents an attempt to figure out how a team is playing right now, as opposed to over the season as a whole, by making recent games more important than earlier games.

  • baltbeast
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 5:42pm

    The ravens offense is on par with the 49ers defense, but the ravens defense is better than the 9ers offense. Not saying we’re gonna win but that’s a good sign for us

  • monkeychango81
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 3:54pm

    After the last two games, we climbed to slightly over the x-axis in defense. If the ofense could mantain his position and the defense keep climbing, maybe, this season could be special after all.

  • Tashre
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:11pm

    Seahawks went from 27th defense to 16th over the last two games. The D has been rapidly getting much much better.

    Second half Seahawks are here.

  • aristocrat_user
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:31pm

    Nice. Our defense inched past that 4th quarter into first. Hope vikings and those pesky wrs don't wreck us again

  • Daviroth
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:42pm

    BALANCE IN ALL THINGS

  • RedBuchan
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:59pm

    WE HAVE ASCENDED TO PERFECT AVERAGENESS 8 - 8 HERE WE COME

  • FishKnees
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 5:05pm

    It’s nice to see the Patriots excel in something

  • saraath
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 5:36pm

    alright bitches we're in the good quadrant, its over for you

  • adamjshelly
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 5:56pm

    Is this for Weeks 1-12 or Week 12 only?

  • Kirueru
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:35pm

    How is our offense better than the Jets? I can't even imagine our offense scoring 34 points this year.

  • TypicalVegetarian
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:44pm

    I hate being one of those fans who only looks at these things to see how my team is doing but I have to say it’s a god damn miracle to be not last in this anymore. We were single handedly forcing the paramètres of this graph to go left because of our offensive ineptitude without Sam. Now we’re fairly quickly returning back to the mean. With games coming against some relatively weak opponents and the team clicking, o hope to get back near that upper right quadrant by seasons end!

  • wlabib03
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 7:28pm

    How are the Texans and lions nearly the same?

  • aaden08
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 3:46pm

    The Browns have achieved equilibrium.

  • SerShanksALot
    -1 points Nov 26,2019, 3:35pm

    kliff is love, kliff is life

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First down by penalties on 3rd down. Via @benbbaldwin on twitter

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COMMENTS

  • ELITELamarJackson
    307 points Nov 26,2019, 12:05pm

    Hmmm. Nothing noteworthy here.

    sees Green Bay

    grabs popcorn

  • ryanedwards0101
    50 points Nov 26,2019, 1:27pm
  • Hydrium
    315 points Nov 26,2019, 11:59am

    I'm deeply interested in hearing Green Bays opinion on game officiating.

  • aristocrat_user
    148 points Nov 26,2019, 11:55am

    Sigh.

  • Begotten912
    545 points Nov 26,2019, 11:58am

    How could the Packers POSSIBLY be all the way up there? Any GB fan will tell you it's just a myth that they get help like that...

  • AmySchumersAnalTumor
    250 points Nov 26,2019, 12:29pm
  • roof_man
    194 points Nov 26,2019, 12:01pm

    Can’t wait to hear Green Bay fans tell us how they get hit with calls too and it’s not that much in their favor.

    Also kinda surprised how few penalties it looks like are involved with Steelers games

  • tom2727
    106 points Nov 26,2019, 12:00pm

    Oh Saints. We're sorry.

    EDIT - About the Seahawks: Not sorry, you deserve it.

  • Crow_T_Simpson
    80 points Nov 26,2019, 12:14pm

    I'm sure that 75% of the first downs gained by opposing teams have been hands to the face penalties.

  • Headhunt23
    13 points Nov 26,2019, 4:51pm

    I’d like to see the automatic first down eliminated for things other than some personal fouls.

    Assess the yardage and replay the down. Maybe make defensive holding 10 yards. But seeing a 3rd and 25 converted due to a defensive hold is ludicrous.

  • ELITELamarJackson
    27 points Nov 26,2019, 12:03pm

    Oh hi Patriots

  • SenorDarcy
    10 points Nov 26,2019, 2:25pm

    Ppl don’t need us to commit a penalty to gain first downs on our defense

  • theaiwei
    81 points Nov 26,2019, 12:22pm

    Hey maybe those refs helping the Packers and fucking the Lions wasn’t bullshit this whole time

  • kvachon
    10 points Nov 26,2019, 1:50pm

    I would have loved to see a poll of /r/nfl that asked how people felt teams ranked on this stat alongside the actual data

  • Bludbluffer
    9 points Nov 26,2019, 12:15pm

    Seems about right

  • seafoamstratocaster
    45 points Nov 26,2019, 12:24pm

    BUT THEY DONT GET THE CALLS ITS JUST A MYTH

  • CornTransplant
    24 points Nov 26,2019, 11:56am

    The real question, can skill be taken into account when measuring this statistic or is it more referee favoritism?

    Except if you're talking about the Patriots, obviously Robert Kraft pays the refs off because they're a bunch of cheaters.

  • JiltedHoward
    19 points Nov 26,2019, 2:36pm

    I opened this and saw exactly what I expected to see.

  • Sol_549
    43 points Nov 26,2019, 12:01pm

    Packers and Hawks, who woulda thought. I don’t think that Packers one is right... you need to add some collusion

  • Goatsonice
    30 points Nov 26,2019, 1:29pm

    This combined with the other saints post about penalties literally quantifies a anti-saints bias by officials. Absolutely nuts.

  • Udjet
    72 points Nov 26,2019, 12:45pm

    Literally one Packer fan trying to build a case in here. They know they are favored, they just don’t want to admit it out loud.

  • Carth_Onasti
    5 points Nov 26,2019, 3:32pm

    This should be scaled by number of 3rd downs on offense and defense for each team. The penalty rates for each team could be similar and we’d never know.

  • watertaco
    48 points Nov 26,2019, 2:09pm

    I fucking knew it.

    Saving this thread for later, when I point out (yet again) that the refs continuously screw us over.

    Meanwhile the refs are practically trying to hand games to the Packers. The Pats and Ravens are getting help too.

    Why is it that us and the Seahawks have to face the other team and the refs, while these other "top" teams are objectively getting more help?

  • varnell_hill
    39 points Nov 26,2019, 12:52pm

    Packers lol. And to think that just Sunday we were hearing about how the refs don't favor them and everyone else is just a hater. I can't wait to hear them attempt to explain this one.

  • h00sier_daddy
    20 points Nov 26,2019, 12:49pm

    I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you.

  • yank_deas
    21 points Nov 26,2019, 4:17pm

    Crazy. I was told by packer fans that I was delusional and salty when I said they benefit from a fuck ton of 3rd down conversions by penalty.

  • mandrilltiger
    8 points Nov 26,2019, 3:03pm

    Is it time to complain about the Fail Mary?

    Joking aside penalties aren't really the best way to look at biased officiating, remember non calls and of course favorable placement.

  • TheHandoftheSchwing
    11 points Nov 26,2019, 1:46pm

    Now how am I supposed to run with my "league is fucking rigged" narrative when the Titans are the 2nd best penalty beneficiary?

  • WickedClapper
    17 points Nov 26,2019, 12:06pm

    Patriots in the middle of the pack. There goes this subs narrative about the Patriots. But I’m interested to heard Packers fans opinion on officiating

  • ImJustAverage
    9 points Nov 26,2019, 12:39pm

    I want to see what this looks like when you remove offsides penalties, because you can't argue that refs are biased towards calling offsides for one team vs another when it's one of the most black and white penalties there is.

  • _jakemybreathaway_
    7 points Nov 26,2019, 12:34pm

    Yet another stat showing how inept the Giants are.

  • rblumenfeld76
    8 points Nov 26,2019, 4:20pm

    So does this prove that the Packers always get their way?

  • Osterion
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 12:29pm

    We've honestly been getting good calls from the refs for years

  • Logan_W_Logan
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 2:57pm

    Stolen from u/dr_of_doge

  • TheCavis
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 4:34pm

    This should be standardized by the number of third downs they've had as well. A bad defense may see fewer third downs as they give up first downs readily, which would push them artificially lower on this graph. Meanwhile, the Legion of Boom would force more long third downs, leading for more opportunities for penalties, putting them on the wrong end.

    I'd also suggest splitting it up by either distance or type of penalty. PI is a bit subjective and subject to bias, but good QBs could get opponents to jump for free plays on third-and-4.

    I don't think this'll fix everything, but it'd be interesting to see just how robust GB's outlier status is.

  • H3nta1Fnatic
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 4:40pm

    Fuck

  • oypus
    8 points Nov 26,2019, 3:24pm

    The difference between first and last on this chart is something like 4-6 first downs per year.

    This doesn’t mean a thing if you ask me...

  • sauceoverlord
    6 points Nov 26,2019, 2:06pm

    Hmmmm I wonder where the Seahawks and Packers will be on this.

  • SirGuerbiz
    6 points Nov 26,2019, 5:34pm

    Apperently no one on this subreddit can read a graph. You have no information about whether or not those penalties were justified meaning the only thing you can say for sure is that the Legion of boom was an undisciplined bunch and defenses tend to give green bay free first downs.

  • MisterRominade
    7 points Nov 26,2019, 12:08pm

    Saints fans are gonna use this to say they’re getting fucked by the refs while I’m gonna say this just shows their defense was so bad from ‘14 to ‘16 that they couldn’t do anything else to stop opponents on 3rd down than commit penalties

  • LGCGE
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 5:23pm

    lol

  • xirevoltx
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 5:59pm

    To be fair the reason why the Packers are so high is due to Rodgers xTching other teams in substitution and his hard count. He's so good at it they literally burn timeouts just to give him the chance to jump offsides

  • hypoglycemicrage
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 4:50pm

    Yup. Nothing new here

  • yaboiiicam
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 5:40pm

    Packers fans will talk the maddest shit, some of them feel like they’re the ones that got the short end of the stick because they won the game and had a bogus penalty or two go their way. “OMG now people will say that’s the only reason we won” and then every time they score a touchdown after that they’ll be all like, “oohhhhh that was totally because of a penalty rightttt???!!!” You’re not the victims here.

  • TheGrat1
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 1:04pm

    Steelers, Chiefs, Cleveland...so balanced.

  • thateejitoverthere
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 3:23pm

    Redskins defense doesn't need to commit penalties to give the other team a first down. 3rd & 12 is almost a gimme for opponents at this stage.

    Josh Norman taps head... can't get called for pass interference if you let the receivers get wide open.

  • Headhunt23
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:41pm

    I’d like to see this done for 2000-2009 as well.

  • LordFalcoSparverius
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:59pm

    The most damning thing about this graph is the obvious correlation between benefitting on offense and not suffering on defense. Theoretically, while discipline and coaching should have an effect on each team's defensive penalties, the offense is accepting penalties vs. the league average team.

  • chronolis
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 5:05pm

    Do you have a chart that can break it down between home and away games?

  • themixedtapex
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 5:16pm

    Honestly a little surprised to see the Steelers were they are on the map.

  • Das_Racis_
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:01pm

    The reason our defense gives up so few penalties is that they’re usually declined lol

  • MrBigChest
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:12pm

    I feel like the Giants have given up so many dumb penalties on 3rd down.

    I guess you can’t get penalties on 3rd down if the other team converts on 1st and 2nd down taps forehead

  • Phuddy
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:20pm

    I fucking knew we’d be leading this stat on the other side.

  • GargleProtection
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:37pm

    Aww so the cowboys aren't paying the refs like I'm told after every single penalty? I feel cheated.

  • ghostfalcon
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:49pm

    I hate graphs like these where the starting values are set near the minimum values instead of 0. It causes people to overreact to each little outlier which on a full size graph looks much more reasonable.

    There's actually a significant amount of bias here too because it was graphed as first down via penalties on 3rd down. A team that is in 3rd down more often on either offense or defense (or both) will be higher on this graph because it is not done via percentages. Additionally, teams with piss poor defense won't even be in 3rd down as often as teams that are good.

    Obv Aaron Rodgers is notorious for drawing offsides with hard count. Seattle was known for being extremely aggressive on defense for most of the decade.

    It'd be way more interesting to see this graph with percentages and maybe non-procedural first downs (offsides/12 men, etc).

  • nsfy33
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 7:06pm

    Are these raw numbers? If so it's rather misleading. Having it as a rate per offensive drive or all first downs or number of third downs would be much better.

    Teams that are on the field a lot on offense will have higher numbers.

  • Ramsus32
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 7:11pm

    Nice to see my money hard at work.

  • I_Hate_Traffic
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 7:25pm

    Am surprised that the Steelers are so low. Maybe I am really biased

  • OwenSixteen
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 7:26pm

    I always knew the NFL was rigged in favor of the Tennessee Titans

  • DeepInThe_Q
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 7:27pm

    interesting to be halfway here as the browns considering the sheer amount of penalties.

  • namkrav
    0 points Nov 26,2019, 3:53pm

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen a QB get calls in his favor more than Rodgers on a consistent basis. I would be curious to see this same graphic but spanning multiple years

    Edit: I’m an idiot and didn’t read the title of the graph. But I would also like to see this for all downs, not just 3rd down.

  • MrNoPlanStan
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 4:49pm

    Maybe the Aaron Rodgers just draws people offsides more than the other QBs?

  • fieldgull
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 2:27pm

    Yep that looks right

  • Zeolyssus
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 2:31pm

    I was told the steelers get all the calls though.

  • MyUshanka
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:54pm

    I like this because it confirms my priors

  • UCLA_TinyE
    -7 points Nov 26,2019, 4:01pm

    If my math is right then this equates to a differential of +1 every three games for the Packers... on an already cherry picked stat of penalties on third down that results in a first down.

  • gandaalf
    -1 points Nov 26,2019, 5:16pm

    Hell yeah go Packers

  • ComptonNWA
    -47 points Nov 26,2019, 11:59am

    Lol here we go again

  • football2106
    0 points Nov 26,2019, 5:04pm

    So Seattle gets fucked raw by officials it seems

  • mikeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
    0 points Nov 26,2019, 5:17pm

    More Ben Baldwin OC. Automatic upvote. His entire twitter stream is full of excellent OC. @benbbaldwin

  • trinquin
    0 points Nov 26,2019, 5:44pm

    After digging deeper into this, there actually is one interesting tidbit.

    If you remove 1st downs via free play(8 of the Packers 112), the difference between them and last place is basically the same difference between them and 2nd place in drawn illegal hands to the face penalties.

    All other penalties show them league average or even a little below.

    But hands to the face, the Packers are quite ridiculously far on front of #2.

    Sorry Lions.

  • MountainTimePunch
    -39 points Nov 26,2019, 12:19pm

    Explanation for GB’s position at the upper left: Aaron Rodgers is really good at drawing opposing teams off-sides (and the team practices this so that the line reacts immediately to prevent the defensive player from being “unimpeded to the quarterback” and causing the play to be blown dead). With the defense, can’t draw a penalty on third down if you’re not near the guy with the ball to draw a penalty to begin with!

    Edit: I worded the above a bit dumb and don’t want to edit it to make replies look weird, but basically with how the rules work Aaron Rodgers and the GB offense take advantage of the “proximity” definition provided within the neutral zone infraction rule to get the free plays, as the refs don’t blow the play dead for the center snapping the ball of a guy on the edge enters the neutral zone. The rest of the line is trained to stay disciplined and in their stance, it’s the Center who is reacting.

  • Ogtoofs
    -1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:32pm

    I fucking KNEW we were getting screwed! People don't believe there's a bias.

  • AudioDope562
    -1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:18pm

    Packer fans in the GT Sun Night: PaCkErS GeT AlL tHe CaLlS

  • KypAstar
    -39 points Nov 26,2019, 1:55pm

    I'm not even gonna try anymore. Y'all need to look up the stats yourself. This data is cherry picked to fuck.

    Chicago has more beneficiary calls than us this year ffs. https://www.nflpenalties.com/

    The Titans have more yards. Go back through the lat 5 seasons and you'll see that the Packers are fairly middle of the road, and bounce between penalties roughly the same as any other team. Hell, we literally lost a division game last season on fucked up automatic first downs. One graph saying one thing in isolation is useless if you don't take the whole data set.

  • tenillusions
    -49 points Nov 26,2019, 12:05pm

    I'm here for the nephew takes.

  • rexcannon
    -33 points Nov 26,2019, 1:55pm

    The figures are a difference of 40 over the course of a decade. That's really not that serious. You people have daddy issues with this team man.

COMMENTS

  • ELITELamarJackson
    307 points Nov 26,2019, 12:05pm

    Hmmm. Nothing noteworthy here.

    sees Green Bay

    grabs popcorn

  • ryanedwards0101
    50 points Nov 26,2019, 1:27pm
  • Hydrium
    315 points Nov 26,2019, 11:59am

    I'm deeply interested in hearing Green Bays opinion on game officiating.

  • LrdCheesterBear
    137 points Nov 26,2019, 11:59am

    Does this mean the Packers see the least amount of negative penalties?

  • aristocrat_user
    148 points Nov 26,2019, 11:55am

    Sigh.

  • Begotten912
    545 points Nov 26,2019, 11:58am

    How could the Packers POSSIBLY be all the way up there? Any GB fan will tell you it's just a myth that they get help like that...

  • AmySchumersAnalTumor
    250 points Nov 26,2019, 12:29pm
  • roof_man
    194 points Nov 26,2019, 12:01pm

    Can’t wait to hear Green Bay fans tell us how they get hit with calls too and it’s not that much in their favor.

    Also kinda surprised how few penalties it looks like are involved with Steelers games

  • tom2727
    106 points Nov 26,2019, 12:00pm

    Oh Saints. We're sorry.

    EDIT - About the Seahawks: Not sorry, you deserve it.

  • Crow_T_Simpson
    80 points Nov 26,2019, 12:14pm

    I'm sure that 75% of the first downs gained by opposing teams have been hands to the face penalties.

  • Headhunt23
    13 points Nov 26,2019, 4:51pm

    I’d like to see the automatic first down eliminated for things other than some personal fouls.

    Assess the yardage and replay the down. Maybe make defensive holding 10 yards. But seeing a 3rd and 25 converted due to a defensive hold is ludicrous.

  • ELITELamarJackson
    27 points Nov 26,2019, 12:03pm

    Oh hi Patriots

  • SenorDarcy
    10 points Nov 26,2019, 2:25pm

    Ppl don’t need us to commit a penalty to gain first downs on our defense

  • theaiwei
    81 points Nov 26,2019, 12:22pm

    Hey maybe those refs helping the Packers and fucking the Lions wasn’t bullshit this whole time

  • kvachon
    10 points Nov 26,2019, 1:50pm

    I would have loved to see a poll of /r/nfl that asked how people felt teams ranked on this stat alongside the actual data

  • Bludbluffer
    9 points Nov 26,2019, 12:15pm

    Seems about right

  • seafoamstratocaster
    45 points Nov 26,2019, 12:24pm

    BUT THEY DONT GET THE CALLS ITS JUST A MYTH

  • CornTransplant
    24 points Nov 26,2019, 11:56am

    The real question, can skill be taken into account when measuring this statistic or is it more referee favoritism?

    Except if you're talking about the Patriots, obviously Robert Kraft pays the refs off because they're a bunch of cheaters.

  • JiltedHoward
    19 points Nov 26,2019, 2:36pm

    I opened this and saw exactly what I expected to see.

  • Sol_549
    43 points Nov 26,2019, 12:01pm

    Packers and Hawks, who woulda thought. I don’t think that Packers one is right... you need to add some collusion

  • Goatsonice
    30 points Nov 26,2019, 1:29pm

    This combined with the other saints post about penalties literally quantifies a anti-saints bias by officials. Absolutely nuts.

  • Udjet
    72 points Nov 26,2019, 12:45pm

    Literally one Packer fan trying to build a case in here. They know they are favored, they just don’t want to admit it out loud.

  • Carth_Onasti
    5 points Nov 26,2019, 3:32pm

    This should be scaled by number of 3rd downs on offense and defense for each team. The penalty rates for each team could be similar and we’d never know.

  • watertaco
    48 points Nov 26,2019, 2:09pm

    I fucking knew it.

    Saving this thread for later, when I point out (yet again) that the refs continuously screw us over.

    Meanwhile the refs are practically trying to hand games to the Packers. The Pats and Ravens are getting help too.

    Why is it that us and the Seahawks have to face the other team and the refs, while these other "top" teams are objectively getting more help?

  • varnell_hill
    39 points Nov 26,2019, 12:52pm

    Packers lol. And to think that just Sunday we were hearing about how the refs don't favor them and everyone else is just a hater. I can't wait to hear them attempt to explain this one.

  • h00sier_daddy
    20 points Nov 26,2019, 12:49pm

    I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you.

  • yank_deas
    21 points Nov 26,2019, 4:17pm

    Crazy. I was told by packer fans that I was delusional and salty when I said they benefit from a fuck ton of 3rd down conversions by penalty.

  • mandrilltiger
    8 points Nov 26,2019, 3:03pm

    Is it time to complain about the Fail Mary?

    Joking aside penalties aren't really the best way to look at biased officiating, remember non calls and of course favorable placement.

  • TheHandoftheSchwing
    11 points Nov 26,2019, 1:46pm

    Now how am I supposed to run with my "league is fucking rigged" narrative when the Titans are the 2nd best penalty beneficiary?

  • WickedClapper
    17 points Nov 26,2019, 12:06pm

    Patriots in the middle of the pack. There goes this subs narrative about the Patriots. But I’m interested to heard Packers fans opinion on officiating

  • ImJustAverage
    9 points Nov 26,2019, 12:39pm

    I want to see what this looks like when you remove offsides penalties, because you can't argue that refs are biased towards calling offsides for one team vs another when it's one of the most black and white penalties there is.

  • _jakemybreathaway_
    7 points Nov 26,2019, 12:34pm

    Yet another stat showing how inept the Giants are.

  • rblumenfeld76
    8 points Nov 26,2019, 4:20pm

    So does this prove that the Packers always get their way?

  • Osterion
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 12:29pm

    We've honestly been getting good calls from the refs for years

  • Logan_W_Logan
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 2:57pm

    Stolen from u/dr_of_doge

  • TheCavis
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 4:34pm

    This should be standardized by the number of third downs they've had as well. A bad defense may see fewer third downs as they give up first downs readily, which would push them artificially lower on this graph. Meanwhile, the Legion of Boom would force more long third downs, leading for more opportunities for penalties, putting them on the wrong end.

    I'd also suggest splitting it up by either distance or type of penalty. PI is a bit subjective and subject to bias, but good QBs could get opponents to jump for free plays on third-and-4.

    I don't think this'll fix everything, but it'd be interesting to see just how robust GB's outlier status is.

  • H3nta1Fnatic
    3 points Nov 26,2019, 4:40pm

    Fuck

  • oypus
    8 points Nov 26,2019, 3:24pm

    The difference between first and last on this chart is something like 4-6 first downs per year.

    This doesn’t mean a thing if you ask me...

  • sauceoverlord
    6 points Nov 26,2019, 2:06pm

    Hmmmm I wonder where the Seahawks and Packers will be on this.

  • SirGuerbiz
    6 points Nov 26,2019, 5:34pm

    Apperently no one on this subreddit can read a graph. You have no information about whether or not those penalties were justified meaning the only thing you can say for sure is that the Legion of boom was an undisciplined bunch and defenses tend to give green bay free first downs.

  • MisterRominade
    7 points Nov 26,2019, 12:08pm

    Saints fans are gonna use this to say they’re getting fucked by the refs while I’m gonna say this just shows their defense was so bad from ‘14 to ‘16 that they couldn’t do anything else to stop opponents on 3rd down than commit penalties

  • LGCGE
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 5:23pm

    lol

  • xirevoltx
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 5:59pm

    To be fair the reason why the Packers are so high is due to Rodgers xTching other teams in substitution and his hard count. He's so good at it they literally burn timeouts just to give him the chance to jump offsides

  • hypoglycemicrage
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 4:50pm

    Yup. Nothing new here

  • yaboiiicam
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 5:40pm

    Packers fans will talk the maddest shit, some of them feel like they’re the ones that got the short end of the stick because they won the game and had a bogus penalty or two go their way. “OMG now people will say that’s the only reason we won” and then every time they score a touchdown after that they’ll be all like, “oohhhhh that was totally because of a penalty rightttt???!!!” You’re not the victims here.

  • TheGrat1
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 1:04pm

    Steelers, Chiefs, Cleveland...so balanced.

  • thateejitoverthere
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 3:23pm

    Redskins defense doesn't need to commit penalties to give the other team a first down. 3rd & 12 is almost a gimme for opponents at this stage.

    Josh Norman taps head... can't get called for pass interference if you let the receivers get wide open.

  • Headhunt23
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:41pm

    I’d like to see this done for 2000-2009 as well.

  • LordFalcoSparverius
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:59pm

    The most damning thing about this graph is the obvious correlation between benefitting on offense and not suffering on defense. Theoretically, while discipline and coaching should have an effect on each team's defensive penalties, the offense is accepting penalties vs. the league average team.

  • chronolis
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 5:05pm

    Do you have a chart that can break it down between home and away games?

  • themixedtapex
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 5:16pm

    Honestly a little surprised to see the Steelers were they are on the map.

  • Das_Racis_
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:01pm

    The reason our defense gives up so few penalties is that they’re usually declined lol

  • MrBigChest
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:12pm

    I feel like the Giants have given up so many dumb penalties on 3rd down.

    I guess you can’t get penalties on 3rd down if the other team converts on 1st and 2nd down taps forehead

  • Phuddy
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:20pm

    I fucking knew we’d be leading this stat on the other side.

  • GargleProtection
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:37pm

    Aww so the cowboys aren't paying the refs like I'm told after every single penalty? I feel cheated.

  • ghostfalcon
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:49pm

    I hate graphs like these where the starting values are set near the minimum values instead of 0. It causes people to overreact to each little outlier which on a full size graph looks much more reasonable.

    There's actually a significant amount of bias here too because it was graphed as first down via penalties on 3rd down. A team that is in 3rd down more often on either offense or defense (or both) will be higher on this graph because it is not done via percentages. Additionally, teams with piss poor defense won't even be in 3rd down as often as teams that are good.

    Obv Aaron Rodgers is notorious for drawing offsides with hard count. Seattle was known for being extremely aggressive on defense for most of the decade.

    It'd be way more interesting to see this graph with percentages and maybe non-procedural first downs (offsides/12 men, etc).

  • nsfy33
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 7:06pm

    Are these raw numbers? If so it's rather misleading. Having it as a rate per offensive drive or all first downs or number of third downs would be much better.

    Teams that are on the field a lot on offense will have higher numbers.

  • Ramsus32
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 7:11pm

    Nice to see my money hard at work.

  • I_Hate_Traffic
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 7:25pm

    Am surprised that the Steelers are so low. Maybe I am really biased

  • OwenSixteen
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 7:26pm

    I always knew the NFL was rigged in favor of the Tennessee Titans

  • DeepInThe_Q
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 7:27pm

    interesting to be halfway here as the browns considering the sheer amount of penalties.

  • namkrav
    0 points Nov 26,2019, 3:53pm

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen a QB get calls in his favor more than Rodgers on a consistent basis. I would be curious to see this same graphic but spanning multiple years

    Edit: I’m an idiot and didn’t read the title of the graph. But I would also like to see this for all downs, not just 3rd down.

  • MrNoPlanStan
    2 points Nov 26,2019, 4:49pm

    Maybe the Aaron Rodgers just draws people offsides more than the other QBs?

  • fieldgull
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 2:27pm

    Yep that looks right

  • Zeolyssus
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 2:31pm

    I was told the steelers get all the calls though.

  • MyUshanka
    1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:54pm

    I like this because it confirms my priors

  • UCLA_TinyE
    -7 points Nov 26,2019, 4:01pm

    If my math is right then this equates to a differential of +1 every three games for the Packers... on an already cherry picked stat of penalties on third down that results in a first down.

  • gandaalf
    -1 points Nov 26,2019, 5:16pm

    Hell yeah go Packers

  • ComptonNWA
    -47 points Nov 26,2019, 11:59am

    Lol here we go again

  • football2106
    0 points Nov 26,2019, 5:04pm

    So Seattle gets fucked raw by officials it seems

  • mikeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
    0 points Nov 26,2019, 5:17pm

    More Ben Baldwin OC. Automatic upvote. His entire twitter stream is full of excellent OC. @benbbaldwin

  • trinquin
    0 points Nov 26,2019, 5:44pm

    After digging deeper into this, there actually is one interesting tidbit.

    If you remove 1st downs via free play(8 of the Packers 112), the difference between them and last place is basically the same difference between them and 2nd place in drawn illegal hands to the face penalties.

    All other penalties show them league average or even a little below.

    But hands to the face, the Packers are quite ridiculously far on front of #2.

    Sorry Lions.

  • MountainTimePunch
    -39 points Nov 26,2019, 12:19pm

    Explanation for GB’s position at the upper left: Aaron Rodgers is really good at drawing opposing teams off-sides (and the team practices this so that the line reacts immediately to prevent the defensive player from being “unimpeded to the quarterback” and causing the play to be blown dead). With the defense, can’t draw a penalty on third down if you’re not near the guy with the ball to draw a penalty to begin with!

    Edit: I worded the above a bit dumb and don’t want to edit it to make replies look weird, but basically with how the rules work Aaron Rodgers and the GB offense take advantage of the “proximity” definition provided within the neutral zone infraction rule to get the free plays, as the refs don’t blow the play dead for the center snapping the ball of a guy on the edge enters the neutral zone. The rest of the line is trained to stay disciplined and in their stance, it’s the Center who is reacting.

  • Ogtoofs
    -1 points Nov 26,2019, 4:32pm

    I fucking KNEW we were getting screwed! People don't believe there's a bias.

  • AudioDope562
    -1 points Nov 26,2019, 6:18pm

    Packer fans in the GT Sun Night: PaCkErS GeT AlL tHe CaLlS

  • KypAstar
    -39 points Nov 26,2019, 1:55pm

    I'm not even gonna try anymore. Y'all need to look up the stats yourself. This data is cherry picked to fuck.

    Chicago has more beneficiary calls than us this year ffs. https://www.nflpenalties.com/

    The Titans have more yards. Go back through the lat 5 seasons and you'll see that the Packers are fairly middle of the road, and bounce between penalties roughly the same as any other team. Hell, we literally lost a division game last season on fucked up automatic first downs. One graph saying one thing in isolation is useless if you don't take the whole data set.

  • tenillusions
    -49 points Nov 26,2019, 12:05pm

    I'm here for the nephew takes.

  • rexcannon
    -33 points Nov 26,2019, 1:55pm

    The figures are a difference of 40 over the course of a decade. That's really not that serious. You people have daddy issues with this team man.

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Weighted Defensive DVOA :: Weighted Offensive DVOA - Week 11

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COMMENTS

  • mesayousa
    120 points Nov 20,2019, 11:04am

    Dallas at New England should be interesting. Unstoppable force meets immovable object

  • gyman122
    54 points Nov 20,2019, 11:16am

    Why is our defense above average WTF

  • Jasikevicius3
    48 points Nov 20,2019, 11:02am

    Eagles looking great.... on paper.

  • 2400hoops
    45 points Nov 20,2019, 11:02am

    Wait a minute, we have a good defense? I will take it.

  • sharkgeek11
    13 points Nov 20,2019, 12:38pm

    The only reason our D looks so average is because they are out there for the entire fucking game

  • Yearbookthrowaway1
    27 points Nov 20,2019, 11:01am
  • martiniman
    10 points Nov 20,2019, 11:04am

    The better the offense gets, the worse the defense gets, until you become the Cardinals, and then the defense gets better again.

    What do I do with this information

  • Bipedal-Moose
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 11:36am

    God our offense is barely better than Miami and Cincinnati. I'm gonna kill myself

  • OiShoonerm8
    7 points Nov 20,2019, 12:19pm

    The lion is doing sex to the cardinal

  • IronicLogic
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 11:06am

    Poor Falcons logo

  • the_fuzzy_stoner
    4 points Nov 20,2019, 11:44am

    HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK.

    WE ARENT DEAD LAST IN OFFENSE. HOT DAMN!

  • fear865
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 11:03am

    We're definitely getting better. Offense still needs to fix their shit though.

  • KingReffots
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 12:54pm

    We’re so average it hurts.

  • keithyp24
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 10:56am

    lines drawn are the MEDIAN

    dotted line is 1:1

    Defensive DVOA is reverse to put the BEST defenses on top

    data via Football Outsiders

    WEIGHTED DVOA represents an attempt to figure out how a team is playing right now, as opposed to over the season as a whole, by making recent games more important than earlier games.

  • trebek321
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 11:05am

    So if I’m reading this right we’ve only played 2 above average offenses all year, and we finish our schedule playing 5 more, will be fun to see just how good this defense is when it has to play top tier offenses.

  • michhoffman
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:16pm

    One game against the Ravens, and the Texans defense falls from league average to Redskins level.

  • TheNastyCasty
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:56pm

    Ravens absolutely murdered our defense. We were pretty close to average last week.

  • PhillyPhan95
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 11:50am

    Eagles just have to get healthy. If we get healthy, watch out.

  • hansblitz
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 12:17pm

    If only we could field an offense with the and players for a few weeks in a row.

  • bullfrogmiah
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 12:23pm

    Is this same graph available for the end of the last couple of years? It'd be interesting to see what the eventual Super Bowl champion appeared on this.

    Thanks!

  • GreyEagle08
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 12:53pm

    Can we get one of these but only for the last two weeks? Thx

  • brownstrooper
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:16pm

    ———————-> falcons

  • By_De_River
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:33pm

    Wow, look at the slugfest of averageness that is the AFC South

  • schmittd11
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:53pm

    How are we still better than Miami

  • mightymagikarp7
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 3:09pm

    Panthers are going to waste CMC’s prime aren’t they

  • Ilejwads
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 3:55pm

    3-7 falcons who are pretty much out of playoffs are identical to the 6-4 texans who are primed for 1st place in the division :(

  • TheSwede91w
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 11:08am

    Vikings defense has been kind of wonky this year and I think a lot of it is Zimmer is finally able to play uber-prevent defense because he has an explosive offense. I think he played 4 quarters of prevent defense against the Redskins and it was effective but painful to watch. It feels like he went from playing defense to never let the other team score, to being okay with them walking away with 3 instead 6-8. This is very anecdotal because I am a lazy /r/NFL guy, but it seems the redzone and inside the 30 is the only time we see those exotic sexy Mike Zimmer blitzes. Maybe he's saving it for later in the year, but I don't think I've seen many of those crazy defensive front 7's with Barr as a blitzing LB like we did in the pre-season.

  • makualla
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 11:13am

    Bull shit our defense isn’t rock bottom

  • Dreadsbo
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 11:23am

    Huh?

COMMENTS

  • mesayousa
    120 points Nov 20,2019, 11:04am

    Dallas at New England should be interesting. Unstoppable force meets immovable object

  • gyman122
    54 points Nov 20,2019, 11:16am

    Why is our defense above average WTF

  • Jasikevicius3
    48 points Nov 20,2019, 11:02am

    Eagles looking great.... on paper.

  • l---deleted---l
    21 points Nov 20,2019, 12:22pm

    HOW THE FUCK DID WE LOSE TO THE JETS GODDAMN

  • 2400hoops
    45 points Nov 20,2019, 11:02am

    Wait a minute, we have a good defense? I will take it.

  • sharkgeek11
    13 points Nov 20,2019, 12:38pm

    The only reason our D looks so average is because they are out there for the entire fucking game

  • Yearbookthrowaway1
    27 points Nov 20,2019, 11:01am
  • martiniman
    10 points Nov 20,2019, 11:04am

    The better the offense gets, the worse the defense gets, until you become the Cardinals, and then the defense gets better again.

    What do I do with this information

  • Bipedal-Moose
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 11:36am

    God our offense is barely better than Miami and Cincinnati. I'm gonna kill myself

  • OiShoonerm8
    7 points Nov 20,2019, 12:19pm

    The lion is doing sex to the cardinal

  • IronicLogic
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 11:06am

    Poor Falcons logo

  • the_fuzzy_stoner
    4 points Nov 20,2019, 11:44am

    HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK.

    WE ARENT DEAD LAST IN OFFENSE. HOT DAMN!

  • fear865
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 11:03am

    We're definitely getting better. Offense still needs to fix their shit though.

  • KingReffots
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 12:54pm

    We’re so average it hurts.

  • keithyp24
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 10:56am

    lines drawn are the MEDIAN

    dotted line is 1:1

    Defensive DVOA is reverse to put the BEST defenses on top

    data via Football Outsiders

    WEIGHTED DVOA represents an attempt to figure out how a team is playing right now, as opposed to over the season as a whole, by making recent games more important than earlier games.

  • trebek321
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 11:05am

    So if I’m reading this right we’ve only played 2 above average offenses all year, and we finish our schedule playing 5 more, will be fun to see just how good this defense is when it has to play top tier offenses.

  • michhoffman
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:16pm

    One game against the Ravens, and the Texans defense falls from league average to Redskins level.

  • TheNastyCasty
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:56pm

    Ravens absolutely murdered our defense. We were pretty close to average last week.

  • PhillyPhan95
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 11:50am

    Eagles just have to get healthy. If we get healthy, watch out.

  • hansblitz
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 12:17pm

    If only we could field an offense with the and players for a few weeks in a row.

  • bullfrogmiah
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 12:23pm

    Is this same graph available for the end of the last couple of years? It'd be interesting to see what the eventual Super Bowl champion appeared on this.

    Thanks!

  • GreyEagle08
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 12:53pm

    Can we get one of these but only for the last two weeks? Thx

  • brownstrooper
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:16pm

    ———————-> falcons

  • By_De_River
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:33pm

    Wow, look at the slugfest of averageness that is the AFC South

  • schmittd11
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:53pm

    How are we still better than Miami

  • mightymagikarp7
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 3:09pm

    Panthers are going to waste CMC’s prime aren’t they

  • Ilejwads
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 3:55pm

    3-7 falcons who are pretty much out of playoffs are identical to the 6-4 texans who are primed for 1st place in the division :(

  • TheSwede91w
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 11:08am

    Vikings defense has been kind of wonky this year and I think a lot of it is Zimmer is finally able to play uber-prevent defense because he has an explosive offense. I think he played 4 quarters of prevent defense against the Redskins and it was effective but painful to watch. It feels like he went from playing defense to never let the other team score, to being okay with them walking away with 3 instead 6-8. This is very anecdotal because I am a lazy /r/NFL guy, but it seems the redzone and inside the 30 is the only time we see those exotic sexy Mike Zimmer blitzes. Maybe he's saving it for later in the year, but I don't think I've seen many of those crazy defensive front 7's with Barr as a blitzing LB like we did in the pre-season.

  • makualla
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 11:13am

    Bull shit our defense isn’t rock bottom

  • Dreadsbo
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 11:23am

    Huh?

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[NFL Network] Oakland Raiders 2019 Rookie Class Ranks

NFL: National Football League Discussion

COMMENTS

  • alldaypotter
    81 points Nov 20,2019, 1:07pm

    I tell ya what man, these guys we have here are a bunch of gruden grinders

  • MrHarper90
    69 points Nov 20,2019, 1:07pm

    Isn't their 1st round safety hurt?

  • yousername-chex-out
    43 points Nov 20,2019, 1:07pm

    Mike mayock GM of the year

  • Ergodemon
    21 points Nov 20,2019, 1:14pm

    Really sucks that the future is bright and Oakland doesn't get to be a part of it. Though if the Bills ever left, I think I'd still follow them... even to Vegas.

  • andymichlas
    90 points Nov 20,2019, 1:08pm

    As discussed in a thread 2 days ago, Raiders rookies have been impressive this season but those stats are useless because they are boosted by the fact that Raiders field more rookies than anyone. The more rookies play the higher the stats will be. Poor data construction.

  • internetjargon
    16 points Nov 20,2019, 1:15pm

    As an Alabama fan/student, Renfrow looking good in the NFL has crushed my soul

  • Alexmd323
    18 points Nov 20,2019, 1:54pm

    Its good but I dont see how its better than Marshon Lattimore, Ryan Ramczyk, Marcus Williams, and Alvin Kamara.

  • TrueNameAmended
    14 points Nov 20,2019, 1:07pm

    Looks like Mayock and Gruden know what they’re doing after all.

  • whydidigetashadowban
    9 points Nov 20,2019, 1:08pm

    Not to mention big contributions from our UDFA’s in Alec Ingold and AJ Cole

  • Projinator
    4 points Nov 20,2019, 1:11pm

    Abram is gonna be a great fit next year too.

  • CosbySweaters1992
    9 points Nov 20,2019, 1:34pm

    Great class but not the best in the last 3 years let alone 10.

    I’ll take Saints or Chiefs 2017 class above it.

    Saints - Great CB, Great OT, very good Safety, Great RB and a few other good pieces.

    Chiefs - Mahomes by himself is more valuable

  • imthedan
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 1:43pm

    Finally drafting correctly after getting rid of Reggie McKenzie.

    Can't wait for this upcoming offseason. ~$80m in cap or so, two 1st round picks and we'll get Abram back as well. It'll be like having 3 first round picks again. :)

  • cavemold582
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 3:06pm

    They have exicting future if they can just stay together and out trouble! They need work penalties though

  • UgandanBigChungus
    4 points Nov 20,2019, 1:10pm

    Ferrell has been really good the last couple weeks too. That Bears trade I always thought was a win/win, but Mayock and Gruden look brilliant right now.

    Max Crosby, Ferrell, Abram, Jacobs, ans Renfrow. Add Karl Joseph to the mix, Hurst, the DB they drafted, and the TE they drafted (forget names), and they may be division favourites next year.

    Very early on, but I think this is the beginning of a dynasty.

    !remindme 6 years

  • Domestic_AA_Battery
    6 points Nov 20,2019, 1:08pm

    Y'all laughed at Gruden too. They're doing incredible over there

  • pmccormick650
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:16pm

    The Condor

  • MrGoodVibes
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 2:12pm

    Lol they turned Renfrow's goober ass around for the graphic

  • katojune
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 3:36pm

    Almost like a guy who has been setting draft boards for years knows a thing or two about talent.

  • Engineer_Bennett
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:19pm

    I mean this class is amazing for them, but is it better than the colts haul last year? I don’t think so. Obviously biased but 2 all pros and multiple starters.

  • MiseryAd
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 1:17pm

    I get this is a great class but damn imagine josh Allen instead of Clelin

  • GawainOfTheSpaceCats
    -9 points Nov 20,2019, 1:08pm

    And then there's Clelin Ferrell, who's there just because fuck having things work out.

COMMENTS

  • alldaypotter
    81 points Nov 20,2019, 1:07pm

    I tell ya what man, these guys we have here are a bunch of gruden grinders

  • MrHarper90
    69 points Nov 20,2019, 1:07pm

    Isn't their 1st round safety hurt?

  • yousername-chex-out
    43 points Nov 20,2019, 1:07pm

    Mike mayock GM of the year

  • Reynagade1126
    74 points Nov 20,2019, 1:06pm

    Raiders back to being scary, nice

  • Ergodemon
    21 points Nov 20,2019, 1:14pm

    Really sucks that the future is bright and Oakland doesn't get to be a part of it. Though if the Bills ever left, I think I'd still follow them... even to Vegas.

  • andymichlas
    90 points Nov 20,2019, 1:08pm

    As discussed in a thread 2 days ago, Raiders rookies have been impressive this season but those stats are useless because they are boosted by the fact that Raiders field more rookies than anyone. The more rookies play the higher the stats will be. Poor data construction.

  • internetjargon
    16 points Nov 20,2019, 1:15pm

    As an Alabama fan/student, Renfrow looking good in the NFL has crushed my soul

  • Alexmd323
    18 points Nov 20,2019, 1:54pm

    Its good but I dont see how its better than Marshon Lattimore, Ryan Ramczyk, Marcus Williams, and Alvin Kamara.

  • TrueNameAmended
    14 points Nov 20,2019, 1:07pm

    Looks like Mayock and Gruden know what they’re doing after all.

  • whydidigetashadowban
    9 points Nov 20,2019, 1:08pm

    Not to mention big contributions from our UDFA’s in Alec Ingold and AJ Cole

  • Projinator
    4 points Nov 20,2019, 1:11pm

    Abram is gonna be a great fit next year too.

  • CosbySweaters1992
    9 points Nov 20,2019, 1:34pm

    Great class but not the best in the last 3 years let alone 10.

    I’ll take Saints or Chiefs 2017 class above it.

    Saints - Great CB, Great OT, very good Safety, Great RB and a few other good pieces.

    Chiefs - Mahomes by himself is more valuable

  • imthedan
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 1:43pm

    Finally drafting correctly after getting rid of Reggie McKenzie.

    Can't wait for this upcoming offseason. ~$80m in cap or so, two 1st round picks and we'll get Abram back as well. It'll be like having 3 first round picks again. :)

  • cavemold582
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 3:06pm

    They have exicting future if they can just stay together and out trouble! They need work penalties though

  • UgandanBigChungus
    4 points Nov 20,2019, 1:10pm

    Ferrell has been really good the last couple weeks too. That Bears trade I always thought was a win/win, but Mayock and Gruden look brilliant right now.

    Max Crosby, Ferrell, Abram, Jacobs, ans Renfrow. Add Karl Joseph to the mix, Hurst, the DB they drafted, and the TE they drafted (forget names), and they may be division favourites next year.

    Very early on, but I think this is the beginning of a dynasty.

    !remindme 6 years

  • Domestic_AA_Battery
    6 points Nov 20,2019, 1:08pm

    Y'all laughed at Gruden too. They're doing incredible over there

  • pmccormick650
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:16pm

    The Condor

  • MrGoodVibes
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 2:12pm

    Lol they turned Renfrow's goober ass around for the graphic

  • katojune
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 3:36pm

    Almost like a guy who has been setting draft boards for years knows a thing or two about talent.

  • Engineer_Bennett
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:19pm

    I mean this class is amazing for them, but is it better than the colts haul last year? I don’t think so. Obviously biased but 2 all pros and multiple starters.

  • MiseryAd
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 1:17pm

    I get this is a great class but damn imagine josh Allen instead of Clelin

  • GawainOfTheSpaceCats
    -9 points Nov 20,2019, 1:08pm

    And then there's Clelin Ferrell, who's there just because fuck having things work out.

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QB Rankings by EPA/play and Passing Grade

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COMMENTS

  • PKS_5
    232 points Nov 20,2019, 9:32am

    I don't know what EPA is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.

    e: But it looks like this Kirk guy is pretty darn good.

  • BarKnight
    142 points Nov 20,2019, 9:34am

    NFC North dominant

  • ELITELamarJackson
    186 points Nov 20,2019, 10:27am

    Purple #8 good

  • Big_booty_ho
    57 points Nov 20,2019, 9:40am

    Haskins and Rosen in a league of their own.

  • Jay_________
    29 points Nov 20,2019, 9:33am

    Ryan Tannehill breakout season?

  • kingmelkor
    68 points Nov 20,2019, 9:44am

    Cousins playing out of his mind. Was pretty happy when he left the Redskins, he was good and I was starting to like a Washington player. Couldn't have that.

  • TaylorSwiftIsJesus
    39 points Nov 20,2019, 10:38am

    PUR-PLE-BOWL! PUR-PLE-BOWL!

  • nagollogan13
    22 points Nov 20,2019, 10:12am

    I thought Kyle Allen was the second coming of Tom Brady?

  • Iloveyouweed
    10 points Nov 20,2019, 11:38am

    Those team logos look really uncomfortable.

  • WhirledWorld
    7 points Nov 20,2019, 12:03pm

    thanks be sure to like and subscribe for more #content

  • GrandMakai
    8 points Nov 20,2019, 1:33pm

    Delete this Nephew, how are we suppose to trade Rosen for a 1st round pick?

  • its_JustColin
    7 points Nov 20,2019, 9:42am

    Ayyy Josh made it into the positives finally! Nice

  • luderiffic
    6 points Nov 20,2019, 9:56am

    Minshew mania rotting away on the bench

  • IseeDrunkPeople
    5 points Nov 20,2019, 1:37pm

    Soooooo have the haters... won?

  • runujhkj
    7 points Nov 20,2019, 11:44am

    Surprisingly, Rayne Dakota Prescott turns out to be good at football

  • _superglue_
    6 points Nov 20,2019, 12:44pm

    imagine how dominate the 9ers would be if they had an above average qb

  • P00Perrr
    16 points Nov 20,2019, 9:40am

    That Rosen kid just needs another chance according to all of r/NFL

  • callahan09
    8 points Nov 20,2019, 11:05am

    So tier 1 is Lamar & Cousins, tier 2 is Dak & Wilson? (Based on that diagonal lines tier grouping thing that I've seen on other graphs like this one)?

    My quick & dirty diagonal lines addition

  • legitocracy
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:07pm

    I still feel really weird that it is correct for me to look to the very top right to find my quarterback

  • iCE_P0W3R
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 11:35am

    The best quarterbacks are purple.

  • HotBananaa
    4 points Nov 20,2019, 2:13pm

    Hey look at the Vikings, Packers and Lions... clearly the cream of the crop.

    And then there is Trubisky. Fucking it up. Like always

  • WorkingContext
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 12:59pm

    Impossible I thought jimmy g wasn’t the real deal

  • RustyCoal950212
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:11pm

    If comparing QB's, I like the move of ignoring WR fumbles for EPA/play. The QB did their job and got it in the hands of the WR. Just a thought.

    That would bump up Wilson's EPA/play, as he's had several WR's fumble the ball, one of them being returned for a defensive TD, the other being a fumble right at the goalline, both massively negative EPA plays

  • rwAccountant
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 5:03pm

    Pretty depressing graph for the Redskins

  • rva1973
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 5:08pm

    Well at least the Redskins are winning off the field

  • fistdeep43
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:30pm

    Carr better than Brady conFIRMed

  • what_u_want_2_hear
    -1 points Nov 20,2019, 10:33am

    But...but...but Rosen just hasn't had any help!!!!!!

COMMENTS

  • PKS_5
    232 points Nov 20,2019, 9:32am

    I don't know what EPA is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.

    e: But it looks like this Kirk guy is pretty darn good.

  • BarKnight
    142 points Nov 20,2019, 9:34am

    NFC North dominant

  • ELITELamarJackson
    186 points Nov 20,2019, 10:27am

    Purple #8 good

  • GawainOfTheSpaceCats
    84 points Nov 20,2019, 9:40am

    I'd be terrified of Ryan Fitzpatrick on a team like the Chiefs that promote long passed with good weapons.

  • Big_booty_ho
    57 points Nov 20,2019, 9:40am

    Haskins and Rosen in a league of their own.

  • Jay_________
    29 points Nov 20,2019, 9:33am

    Ryan Tannehill breakout season?

  • kingmelkor
    68 points Nov 20,2019, 9:44am

    Cousins playing out of his mind. Was pretty happy when he left the Redskins, he was good and I was starting to like a Washington player. Couldn't have that.

  • TaylorSwiftIsJesus
    39 points Nov 20,2019, 10:38am

    PUR-PLE-BOWL! PUR-PLE-BOWL!

  • nagollogan13
    22 points Nov 20,2019, 10:12am

    I thought Kyle Allen was the second coming of Tom Brady?

  • Iloveyouweed
    10 points Nov 20,2019, 11:38am

    Those team logos look really uncomfortable.

  • WhirledWorld
    7 points Nov 20,2019, 12:03pm

    thanks be sure to like and subscribe for more #content

  • GrandMakai
    8 points Nov 20,2019, 1:33pm

    Delete this Nephew, how are we suppose to trade Rosen for a 1st round pick?

  • its_JustColin
    7 points Nov 20,2019, 9:42am

    Ayyy Josh made it into the positives finally! Nice

  • luderiffic
    6 points Nov 20,2019, 9:56am

    Minshew mania rotting away on the bench

  • IseeDrunkPeople
    5 points Nov 20,2019, 1:37pm

    Soooooo have the haters... won?

  • runujhkj
    7 points Nov 20,2019, 11:44am

    Surprisingly, Rayne Dakota Prescott turns out to be good at football

  • _superglue_
    6 points Nov 20,2019, 12:44pm

    imagine how dominate the 9ers would be if they had an above average qb

  • P00Perrr
    16 points Nov 20,2019, 9:40am

    That Rosen kid just needs another chance according to all of r/NFL

  • callahan09
    8 points Nov 20,2019, 11:05am

    So tier 1 is Lamar & Cousins, tier 2 is Dak & Wilson? (Based on that diagonal lines tier grouping thing that I've seen on other graphs like this one)?

    My quick & dirty diagonal lines addition

  • legitocracy
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:07pm

    I still feel really weird that it is correct for me to look to the very top right to find my quarterback

  • iCE_P0W3R
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 11:35am

    The best quarterbacks are purple.

  • HotBananaa
    4 points Nov 20,2019, 2:13pm

    Hey look at the Vikings, Packers and Lions... clearly the cream of the crop.

    And then there is Trubisky. Fucking it up. Like always

  • WorkingContext
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 12:59pm

    Impossible I thought jimmy g wasn’t the real deal

  • RustyCoal950212
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:11pm

    If comparing QB's, I like the move of ignoring WR fumbles for EPA/play. The QB did their job and got it in the hands of the WR. Just a thought.

    That would bump up Wilson's EPA/play, as he's had several WR's fumble the ball, one of them being returned for a defensive TD, the other being a fumble right at the goalline, both massively negative EPA plays

  • rwAccountant
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 5:03pm

    Pretty depressing graph for the Redskins

  • rva1973
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 5:08pm

    Well at least the Redskins are winning off the field

  • fistdeep43
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:30pm

    Carr better than Brady conFIRMed

  • what_u_want_2_hear
    -1 points Nov 20,2019, 10:33am

    But...but...but Rosen just hasn't had any help!!!!!!

● ● ●

Maxx Crosby deserves to be in the DROY conversation

NFL: National Football League Discussion

COMMENTS

  • hn68wb4
    900 points Nov 20,2019, 9:37am

    Sure, if you look at raw stats and ignore the fact that 4 of his 6.5 sacks came in one game

  • rahimmoore26
    268 points Nov 20,2019, 9:49am

    No he doesn't jesus christ. He's doing good but why do you guys keep spamming him in this sub.

  • nomaam05
    52 points Nov 20,2019, 9:45am

    If those stats were tho only things that mattered, you'd be correct.

  • Bleeglotz
    32 points Nov 20,2019, 9:50am

    Yeah but watch bosa.

  • UgandanBigChungus
    168 points Nov 20,2019, 9:38am

    Bosa had a crazy amount of pressures not resulting in sacks in the first couple games. Four of Crosby’s sacks came against the Bungles. Let’s not get carried away. Crosby has been really good, but Bosa has been otherworldly.

    Edit: https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/17/nick-bosa-is-basically-impossible-to-block/amp/

  • pmccormick650
    31 points Nov 20,2019, 10:24am

    Not yet. Hes a good player for sure. But Bosa disrupts every snap. Its not even close. Bosa is the droy up to this point.

  • 3-shot-BR
    28 points Nov 20,2019, 11:38am

    After 1 dominating game? Bosa has been dominating all year

  • kunfushion
    15 points Nov 20,2019, 12:26pm

    Everyone’s mentioning pressure, here are the numbers

    Bosa: 49 pressures / 265 pass rushes 18.5%Crosby: 33/294 11.22%

    Pretty big difference

  • Seahawks543
    6 points Nov 20,2019, 12:32pm

    And we have LJ Collier doing nothing

  • Jimbro-Fisher
    21 points Nov 20,2019, 10:32am

    Yeah... Thanks for passing on Josh Allen

  • Cacklemoore
    7 points Nov 20,2019, 1:07pm

    As rock hard as this makes me as a Raider fan, Bosa is still the clear favorite. Crosby would have to have lights out performances the next 6 weeks to even be considered tbh

    Edit: welp looks like everyone else already said it lol

  • biowiz
    9 points Nov 20,2019, 1:46pm

    Come on dude. I’m a Raiders fan and this is such a shit comparison. Bosa has been pressuring QBs at a much higher rate and Crosby got 4 of his 7 sacks in one game. He’s been a great 4th round pick and maybe if Bosa didn’t exist I’d argue he’d be in contention for DROY, but that’s not the case. The gap between Bosa and all other defensive rookies is huuuuuuge. His skill level and ability to play the game is at an All-Pro level. He’s in contention for DROY and DPOY. That’s how good he’s been.

  • broncosandwrestling
    10 points Nov 20,2019, 9:48am

    isn't he?

    i mean, he's obviously not the DROY, but i don't think there's a lot else to talk about besides the clear choice (Bosa). i get a lot of raiders press in my life but he definitely feels like part of the conversation. that's not to say he should be in contention. he shouldn't, and everyone tends to agree about that pretty quickly. but once someone says "besides bosa?" he's the name, sure.

  • Skovmo
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 12:18pm

    Yeah, maybe a "should this guy be DROY? Nah"

  • -Deadzone-
    8 points Nov 20,2019, 9:36am

    Knock on wood if you are with me - need to bring it back. All this winning and r/NFL has stopped using it

  • WorldPeaceIsSoMetta
    8 points Nov 20,2019, 1:36pm

    JOSH ALLEN

  • edwardfortehands
    4 points Nov 20,2019, 11:11am

    delete this

  • mordeci00
    12 points Nov 20,2019, 9:47am

    Nick Bosa has 7 sacks against NFL teams. Crosby has 2.5 sacks against NFL teams and 4 against the Bengals. This would have been laughable last week. He had 1 good game against one of the worst teams in NFL history.

    And for the rest of the story outside the "I only include it if it makes my case" stats. Bosa has an INT, Crosby does not. Bosa has 9 QB hits, Crosby has 4. Crosby is a good player. Bosa is a much, much, much better player than Crosby.

  • Kim-Jong-Squeels
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 12:35pm

    Go EMU!!! We dont get much but we got somebody to be proud of.

  • RedDeckWins
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:33pm

    Meanwhile our First Round DE has played like 10 snaps the whole season.

  • HotBananaa
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:58pm

    Im just here to point out that comparing defensive players by statistics alone is stupid and inaccurate.

  • ctong21
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 3:03pm

    Maxx has been great, good to see from a 4th round pick.

  • ADTR20
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 4:14pm

    no he doesn't lmao

  • facetiously
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 4:33pm

    This thread is that conversation.

  • jamiebond
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 4:46pm

    He had one really good game against the worst team in the NFL. Yall need to chill

  • IBangYoDaddy
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 5:24pm

    Unless nick gets injured, or Josh Allen goes on some sack spree, it's Bosa's to lose

  • dansofree1
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 7:06pm

    god dammit

    this is the kind of shit that makes people hate certain players irrationally.

    No, he doesn't.

    He's a very good rookie so far and showing every little bit of why some scouts + PFF said he was a super underrated pass rushing prospect but you're setting him up to look bad when you put him in this convo.

  • ThePettingZoo
    4 points Nov 20,2019, 10:35am

    I was wondering where all the cherries went on my cherry tree.

  • johnazoidberg-
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 11:24am

    He also survived being a featured player on Hard Knocks

  • jetMFset
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 9:43am

    4 of Crosbys 6.5 sacks came in 1 game from the worst team in the league. Baby Bosa has been a consistent nightmare all season

  • LukasYaaj
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 10:37am

    Is he that guy that mocked the belt when you guys played us?

  • _5GOLDBLOODED2_
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 12:16pm

    If you watch the games, teams are making it a consistent point to crack, chip our double Bosa now. Fitzgerald laid him out on a crack back block last game. Which was somewhat blind sided but that's kind how those blocks are.

  • TheDandyWarhol
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 9:36am

    I agree. He's been fucking stellar.

  • SlowCarCarClub
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 12:48pm

    Winovich has looked great as a rookie also. I’d like to see where he stacks up against these guys

  • Comfyinnautica1
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:34pm

    Lol I read Maxx Crosby as Mason Crosby...

  • TanTanMan
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:35pm

    I like how you saw one pass defensed for bosa when it was an interception. Let alone all the interceptions that have come from bosas pressures.

  • maltzy
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:52pm

    Stats against the Bengals don't count towards regular season totals. They are division 2

  • TheNumberSeven_7
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 2:09pm

    Devin Bush pls

  • a_warmtoiletseat
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 4:13pm

    defensed

  • peoplepersonmanguy
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 4:28pm

    Defensive 4th round rookie of the year definitely.

    Bosa has played like a veteran from day one.

  • ma1iced
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 4:49pm

    You forgot the interception.

  • EquinsuOchaACE
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 6:52pm

    Sure he deserves to be part of the conversation but it would be a very short conversation.

  • Dingusaurus__Rex
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 7:17pm

    what is this phrasing "passes defensed"? doesn't look like this includes Bosa's interception, unless that is now a "pass defensed"

  • macababy
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 4:37pm

    Lol, why don't you ask yourself this question:

    Who would you rather have on your team?

    10/10 people who aren't Maxx's Mom say Nick.

    The dude's a beast, no doubt, but come on.

  • Trump_2O2O_Baby
    -1 points Nov 20,2019, 11:32am

    Lmao I'm getting ptsd from when everyone was trying to take away macks five sack game for playing against a shitty tackle. Last time I checked, bosa played the Bengals and didn't do anything. He also got 3 sacks in one game. Obviously he's better but don't take away anything from Maxx for destroying a bad team

  • Derek_Carr_is_Savior
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 12:00pm

    He is not on same level as Bosa, but I don't fucking care. I love him and would allow him to perform Prima Noctum with my bride.

  • B0ndzai
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 10:21am

    He spells his name like a porn star.

  • SamChubbard
    -12 points Nov 20,2019, 9:36am

    Uh Who said he wasn’t? It’s obviously a two man race

  • Afalau
    -3 points Nov 20,2019, 9:39am

    Looks like he is now

  • mikeamendola2236
    -2 points Nov 20,2019, 11:09am

    Nick Bosa has slowed down the last couple a weeks there are definitely a few above him now.

  • Shaquillefreemeal
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 12:21pm

    It will be close. But the name probably gets the call so I'd put money on Bosa. We shall see if he performs in this upcoming stretch of tough games. Meanwhile Crosby has games against the Jetes, Broncos, and Chargers

  • Hokutenmemoir
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 1:22pm

    This a joke? He had a hell of a game, but it's been less than a week. Also, the Chargers O-Line is just horrible. Reminds me of the 2017-18 Colts O-Line.

  • Jhak12
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 1:39pm

    Half of those stats came in one game.

COMMENTS

  • hn68wb4
    900 points Nov 20,2019, 9:37am

    Sure, if you look at raw stats and ignore the fact that 4 of his 6.5 sacks came in one game

  • rahimmoore26
    268 points Nov 20,2019, 9:49am

    No he doesn't jesus christ. He's doing good but why do you guys keep spamming him in this sub.

  • nomaam05
    52 points Nov 20,2019, 9:45am

    If those stats were tho only things that mattered, you'd be correct.

  • ahrzal
    64 points Nov 20,2019, 9:58am

    It was one great game against the worst team in the NFL. Cmon.

  • Bleeglotz
    32 points Nov 20,2019, 9:50am

    Yeah but watch bosa.

  • UgandanBigChungus
    168 points Nov 20,2019, 9:38am

    Bosa had a crazy amount of pressures not resulting in sacks in the first couple games. Four of Crosby’s sacks came against the Bungles. Let’s not get carried away. Crosby has been really good, but Bosa has been otherworldly.

    Edit: https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/17/nick-bosa-is-basically-impossible-to-block/amp/

  • pmccormick650
    31 points Nov 20,2019, 10:24am

    Not yet. Hes a good player for sure. But Bosa disrupts every snap. Its not even close. Bosa is the droy up to this point.

  • 3-shot-BR
    28 points Nov 20,2019, 11:38am

    After 1 dominating game? Bosa has been dominating all year

  • kunfushion
    15 points Nov 20,2019, 12:26pm

    Everyone’s mentioning pressure, here are the numbers

    Bosa: 49 pressures / 265 pass rushes 18.5%Crosby: 33/294 11.22%

    Pretty big difference

  • Seahawks543
    6 points Nov 20,2019, 12:32pm

    And we have LJ Collier doing nothing

  • Jimbro-Fisher
    21 points Nov 20,2019, 10:32am

    Yeah... Thanks for passing on Josh Allen

  • Cacklemoore
    7 points Nov 20,2019, 1:07pm

    As rock hard as this makes me as a Raider fan, Bosa is still the clear favorite. Crosby would have to have lights out performances the next 6 weeks to even be considered tbh

    Edit: welp looks like everyone else already said it lol

  • biowiz
    9 points Nov 20,2019, 1:46pm

    Come on dude. I’m a Raiders fan and this is such a shit comparison. Bosa has been pressuring QBs at a much higher rate and Crosby got 4 of his 7 sacks in one game. He’s been a great 4th round pick and maybe if Bosa didn’t exist I’d argue he’d be in contention for DROY, but that’s not the case. The gap between Bosa and all other defensive rookies is huuuuuuge. His skill level and ability to play the game is at an All-Pro level. He’s in contention for DROY and DPOY. That’s how good he’s been.

  • broncosandwrestling
    10 points Nov 20,2019, 9:48am

    isn't he?

    i mean, he's obviously not the DROY, but i don't think there's a lot else to talk about besides the clear choice (Bosa). i get a lot of raiders press in my life but he definitely feels like part of the conversation. that's not to say he should be in contention. he shouldn't, and everyone tends to agree about that pretty quickly. but once someone says "besides bosa?" he's the name, sure.

  • Skovmo
    3 points Nov 20,2019, 12:18pm

    Yeah, maybe a "should this guy be DROY? Nah"

  • -Deadzone-
    8 points Nov 20,2019, 9:36am

    Knock on wood if you are with me - need to bring it back. All this winning and r/NFL has stopped using it

  • WorldPeaceIsSoMetta
    8 points Nov 20,2019, 1:36pm

    JOSH ALLEN

  • edwardfortehands
    4 points Nov 20,2019, 11:11am

    delete this

  • mordeci00
    12 points Nov 20,2019, 9:47am

    Nick Bosa has 7 sacks against NFL teams. Crosby has 2.5 sacks against NFL teams and 4 against the Bengals. This would have been laughable last week. He had 1 good game against one of the worst teams in NFL history.

    And for the rest of the story outside the "I only include it if it makes my case" stats. Bosa has an INT, Crosby does not. Bosa has 9 QB hits, Crosby has 4. Crosby is a good player. Bosa is a much, much, much better player than Crosby.

  • Kim-Jong-Squeels
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 12:35pm

    Go EMU!!! We dont get much but we got somebody to be proud of.

  • RedDeckWins
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:33pm

    Meanwhile our First Round DE has played like 10 snaps the whole season.

  • HotBananaa
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 1:58pm

    Im just here to point out that comparing defensive players by statistics alone is stupid and inaccurate.

  • ctong21
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 3:03pm

    Maxx has been great, good to see from a 4th round pick.

  • ADTR20
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 4:14pm

    no he doesn't lmao

  • facetiously
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 4:33pm

    This thread is that conversation.

  • jamiebond
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 4:46pm

    He had one really good game against the worst team in the NFL. Yall need to chill

  • IBangYoDaddy
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 5:24pm

    Unless nick gets injured, or Josh Allen goes on some sack spree, it's Bosa's to lose

  • dansofree1
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 7:06pm

    god dammit

    this is the kind of shit that makes people hate certain players irrationally.

    No, he doesn't.

    He's a very good rookie so far and showing every little bit of why some scouts + PFF said he was a super underrated pass rushing prospect but you're setting him up to look bad when you put him in this convo.

  • ThePettingZoo
    4 points Nov 20,2019, 10:35am

    I was wondering where all the cherries went on my cherry tree.

  • johnazoidberg-
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 11:24am

    He also survived being a featured player on Hard Knocks

  • jetMFset
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 9:43am

    4 of Crosbys 6.5 sacks came in 1 game from the worst team in the league. Baby Bosa has been a consistent nightmare all season

  • LukasYaaj
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 10:37am

    Is he that guy that mocked the belt when you guys played us?

  • _5GOLDBLOODED2_
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 12:16pm

    If you watch the games, teams are making it a consistent point to crack, chip our double Bosa now. Fitzgerald laid him out on a crack back block last game. Which was somewhat blind sided but that's kind how those blocks are.

  • TheDandyWarhol
    2 points Nov 20,2019, 9:36am

    I agree. He's been fucking stellar.

  • SlowCarCarClub
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 12:48pm

    Winovich has looked great as a rookie also. I’d like to see where he stacks up against these guys

  • Comfyinnautica1
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:34pm

    Lol I read Maxx Crosby as Mason Crosby...

  • TanTanMan
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:35pm

    I like how you saw one pass defensed for bosa when it was an interception. Let alone all the interceptions that have come from bosas pressures.

  • maltzy
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 1:52pm

    Stats against the Bengals don't count towards regular season totals. They are division 2

  • TheNumberSeven_7
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 2:09pm

    Devin Bush pls

  • a_warmtoiletseat
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 4:13pm

    defensed

  • peoplepersonmanguy
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 4:28pm

    Defensive 4th round rookie of the year definitely.

    Bosa has played like a veteran from day one.

  • ma1iced
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 4:49pm

    You forgot the interception.

  • EquinsuOchaACE
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 6:52pm

    Sure he deserves to be part of the conversation but it would be a very short conversation.

  • Dingusaurus__Rex
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 7:17pm

    what is this phrasing "passes defensed"? doesn't look like this includes Bosa's interception, unless that is now a "pass defensed"

  • macababy
    1 points Nov 20,2019, 4:37pm

    Lol, why don't you ask yourself this question:

    Who would you rather have on your team?

    10/10 people who aren't Maxx's Mom say Nick.

    The dude's a beast, no doubt, but come on.

  • Trump_2O2O_Baby
    -1 points Nov 20,2019, 11:32am

    Lmao I'm getting ptsd from when everyone was trying to take away macks five sack game for playing against a shitty tackle. Last time I checked, bosa played the Bengals and didn't do anything. He also got 3 sacks in one game. Obviously he's better but don't take away anything from Maxx for destroying a bad team

  • Derek_Carr_is_Savior
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 12:00pm

    He is not on same level as Bosa, but I don't fucking care. I love him and would allow him to perform Prima Noctum with my bride.

  • B0ndzai
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 10:21am

    He spells his name like a porn star.

  • SamChubbard
    -12 points Nov 20,2019, 9:36am

    Uh Who said he wasn’t? It’s obviously a two man race

  • Afalau
    -3 points Nov 20,2019, 9:39am

    Looks like he is now

  • mikeamendola2236
    -2 points Nov 20,2019, 11:09am

    Nick Bosa has slowed down the last couple a weeks there are definitely a few above him now.

  • Shaquillefreemeal
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 12:21pm

    It will be close. But the name probably gets the call so I'd put money on Bosa. We shall see if he performs in this upcoming stretch of tough games. Meanwhile Crosby has games against the Jetes, Broncos, and Chargers

  • Hokutenmemoir
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 1:22pm

    This a joke? He had a hell of a game, but it's been less than a week. Also, the Chargers O-Line is just horrible. Reminds me of the 2017-18 Colts O-Line.

  • Jhak12
    0 points Nov 20,2019, 1:39pm

    Half of those stats came in one game.

● ● ●

ESPN's promo of MNF next week of Chiefs @ Chargers has the Chargers still listed from San Diego.

NFL: National Football League Discussion

COMMENTS

  • BraxxIsTheName
    3477 points Nov 14,2019, 9:02am

    IT’S NOT A PHASE, MOM!! I’M A LOS ANGELES TEAM NOW!!!

    EDIT: Grammatically pure now

  • bigdopa1
    2418 points Nov 14,2019, 7:57am

    I think SD stands for Sad Dad in this instance

  • janthony6
    1372 points Nov 14,2019, 8:07am

    They should just call themselves San Diego Chargers still.

    They play in LA but they aren’t LA. Kinda like the NY Giants play in Jersey but aren’t NJ. Or the SF 49ers play in Santa Clara.

  • LGCGE
    229 points Nov 14,2019, 10:08am

    The best solution to the LA team confusion is to have one of the teams move to Anchorage. Nobody in the world is gonna forget about the Alaska Chargers, and their home games would be lit.

  • yesterdays_newguy
    501 points Nov 14,2019, 7:52am

    Yup I still call san Diego. Habbit. But it's also a dig at them for fucking over their city

  • nancy_ballosky
    47 points Nov 14,2019, 12:09pm

    Im firmly in the "they should just move back and never talk about it" phase of my grief.

    Just walk in to the new SDSU stadium like my felon cousin at thanksgiving. Like nothing happened.

  • dynamo3g
    146 points Nov 14,2019, 8:10am

    They are still from San Diego in everyone's hearts

  • Theungry
    113 points Nov 14,2019, 9:48am

    They should just embrace the "sports entertainment" angle and start listing them as coming from "Parts Unknown".

  • AnticlimacticPicasso
    54 points Nov 14,2019, 11:05am

    Anytime I see LAC on the score feed, I always think of the Clippers before thinking of the Chargers.

  • CheesyCousCous
    184 points Nov 14,2019, 7:57am

    Do we really expect professionalism out of the people who work on the MNF broadcast?

  • jo_kat88
    17 points Nov 14,2019, 9:02am

    They should have put London and seen Spanos' reaction

  • GamblingMan610
    34 points Nov 14,2019, 8:52am

    they'll always be from San Diego in our hearts

  • mattrad
    32 points Nov 14,2019, 11:31am

    They'll always be the San Diego Chargers in my heart.

  • djcollins5569
    17 points Nov 14,2019, 9:26am

    They are the San Diego chargers of LA.

  • Smegmasaurus_Flex
    41 points Nov 14,2019, 8:13am

    Disney+ is sucking up all of their resources.

  • billsmafiabruh
    14 points Nov 14,2019, 10:27am

    Fuck you Spanos!

  • RobertNeyland
    13 points Nov 14,2019, 8:10am

    Happens to the best of us

  • linferno21
    12 points Nov 14,2019, 9:04am

    If I talk about the Chargers I have to actually force myself in my head to say Los Angeles a few times because I always forget they’re not in San Diego anymore

  • ucjj2011
    12 points Nov 14,2019, 12:09pm

    One of my favorite ESPN promos ever was when they were doing the Thursday or Sunday Night Football promos in 1994. They were doing the commercials with the electric football players (the little plastic ones that would "run" on the field).

    The "field" is decorated like an airport and a voice says "Welcome to Los Angeles". A bunch of Packers players come out of a gate yelling "YEAH!" and leave the frame. 2 seconds later they go back through the gate muttering "Stupid stupid stupid"

    The announcer says "It's the Green Bay Packers vs the ST LOUIS Rams"

  • breakup7532
    26 points Nov 14,2019, 7:50am

    Good!

  • pfcbrooklyn
    10 points Nov 14,2019, 12:04pm

    Obligatory fuck Dean Spanos?

  • historymajor44
    8 points Nov 14,2019, 10:29am

    Good. We should never have left San Diego.

  • SmegmaCarta
    9 points Nov 14,2019, 11:03am

    Never forget San Diego

  • Stoneiswuwu
    9 points Nov 14,2019, 11:08am

    No one in LA cares for them. Even the announcers still call them the San Diego Chargers, lol

  • kjorav17
    6 points Nov 14,2019, 9:03am

    Rivers looks... different

  • justgotpregnant
    7 points Nov 14,2019, 11:20am

    They just ARE the San Diego Chargers. Nobody will convince me otherwise.

  • saetzero
    7 points Nov 14,2019, 12:37pm

    They will always be San Diego to me.

    You don't get to pick your nickname. It was San Diego. It will be San Diego. You will die and San Diego will be on the tombstone.

  • Sentience-psn
    13 points Nov 14,2019, 9:41am

    San Diego Chargers of Los Angeles?

    Los Angeles Rams of St. Louis from Los Angeles?

    Raiders... ah, fuck it. West Coast Raiders?

  • JishtheMish7
    5 points Nov 14,2019, 10:22am

    In the everyday world I hear more people still call them the San Diego Chargers not the LA Chargers.

  • Teranoid_
    6 points Nov 14,2019, 10:38am

    I'd love to think this is intentional and even ESPN hates Spanos but probably not.

    Hell there's analysts on the other networks who still catch themselves calling them the San Diego Chargers.

    Fuck you Spanos

  • runcmc22
    5 points Nov 14,2019, 12:58pm

    The fact that it took me a second to recognize what’s wrong with this...

    Just move back already 😂

  • jfsr
    5 points Nov 14,2019, 11:44am

    so all the times madden still calls them the san diego chargers was them just being authentic to the broadcast experience

  • _badmadman_
    3 points Nov 14,2019, 11:54am

    No one from LA or San Diego cares

  • thethomatoman
    6 points Nov 14,2019, 12:18pm

    As they should be

  • LA_County_Walnuts
    9 points Nov 14,2019, 9:07am

    I still call them / think SD still.

  • pittknife
    4 points Nov 14,2019, 9:27am

    To live and die in LA..... Chargers died in LA

  • CalebTB12
    4 points Nov 14,2019, 11:00am

    Because it should be.

  • HouseofPain1
    4 points Nov 14,2019, 11:06am

    subscribe

  • Fools_Requiem
    4 points Nov 14,2019, 11:15am

    Even ESPN thinks the Chargers should have stayed in San Diego and ESPN is obsessed with Los Angeles.

  • WesleySnopes
    4 points Nov 14,2019, 11:29am

    Good.

  • xixi2
    4 points Nov 14,2019, 12:08pm

    This is like when Smite changed "Purification Beads" to just like "Purification" or something and people kept calling it "Beads" despite the word having been entirely removed from the game until they finally just realized people would never change and put it back.

    The moral of the story - move back to SD. Why does LA just randomly get 2 teams?

  • FluPhlegmGreen
    4 points Nov 14,2019, 2:21pm

    I'll never think of them as an LA team. They are San Diego for life. Dumb ass decision by owners.

  • thetrdeminencr
    4 points Nov 14,2019, 4:30pm

    Every time i see LAC i think LA Clippers. I just call them the Clippers now

  • bewaredandelo
    6 points Nov 14,2019, 9:41am

    As it should be.

  • akiws
    7 points Nov 14,2019, 10:21am

    Because they are still from San Diego

    source: live in LA

  • schloobiedoowap
    7 points Nov 14,2019, 12:37pm

    ESPN does nothing right anymore. Literally nothing. Their reporters are ass. Their journalistic integrity is non-existent. And the "news" is just dumbass talking heads and bimbo-women who have no idea what the fuck they are talking about. It's just memes and bullshit and garbage.

    Cancel ESPN.

  • PhiPhiPhiMin
    3 points Nov 14,2019, 2:03pm

    Maybe if everyone keeps saying San diego chargers, they will eventually just move back. Or if they can't get a stadium deal done, they could move to San Diego, TX, where they would probably get higher attendance

  • tractorsandstuff
    3 points Nov 14,2019, 2:20pm

    You almost wonder if its intentional at this point.

  • singableinga
    3 points Nov 14,2019, 3:35pm

    I’m pretty sure more people still show up to the San Diego stadium on Sundays.

  • TeffyWeffy
    4 points Nov 14,2019, 11:02am

    I'll start calling them the L.A. Chargers when they start having more fans at their home games than the visiting team.

  • Falleron
    4 points Nov 14,2019, 11:32am

    The San Diego Chargers of Los Angeles is the team's official name

  • Gbrow419
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 11:15am

    You really can't blame them. I still catch myself saying it every once in a while.

  • natey56
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 11:15am

    Incompetent news source for an incompetent franchise. It's almost poetic.

  • delscorch0
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 11:48am

    Maybe they moved back and it wasn't reported because nobody cares about the Chargers.

  • RealPropRandy
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 12:01pm

    As they should be.

  • LoonyBunBennyLava
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 12:01pm

    Me gusta, mucho

  • BlueHighwindz
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 12:12pm

    Just call them “The Chargers”. No town actually wants them, they can just stand or fall on their own.

  • notthefuckingscones
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 12:29pm

    San Diego Chargers of Los Angeles.

  • pupmaster
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 12:30pm

    As it should

  • KingBroly
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 12:33pm

    Well their home sure as shit isn't LA

  • Soren_Camus1905
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 1:32pm

    What’s up with Phil Rivers’ face?

  • ppinick
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 1:39pm

    fuck dean spanos

  • Mister_Met
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 1:42pm

    I mean, does it really matter?

  • ToraChan23
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 1:51pm

    Where would the Chargers rank in terms of worst relocations in sports history?

  • Colddeck64
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 2:05pm

    To be fair... I still accidentally call them San Diego.

    To be honest - shame on ESPN. They should have their shit fixed

  • ukfan758
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 2:17pm

    ESPN is right tho

  • elow72
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 2:21pm

    Good

  • tacowboyste16
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 2:22pm

    San Dimas chargers

  • AtomKreates
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 2:28pm

    The jags redid their logo years ago and ESPN still shows the wrong one....

  • Definitely_Not_Erin
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 2:32pm

    This is the type of fuck-up I can relate to on a personal level.

  • anonFAFA1
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 2:51pm

    I mean, San Diego to LA is about the same distance as San Francisco to Santa Clara, amirite?

  • DetectiveTank
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 3:32pm

    Tough times for the SD based Chargers fans out there.

  • Snoot-Wallace
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 3:59pm

    I still call them San Diego Chargers

  • brfergua
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 4:15pm

    They can stay in LA, but should change to the California Chargers and make it simpler.

  • posting_thoughts
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 4:24pm

    It stands for Sutton Down, a park in London

  • flapsin
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 4:25pm

    Move them back

  • ChargerCarl
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 4:40pm

    They should have never left SD in the first place.

  • lehgohawks
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 5:13pm

    RIP Intern

  • Son0fSun
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 5:53pm

    Prediction, game won’t be nearly as good as Seattle versus San Francisco

  • Jump_Like_A_Willys
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 7:06pm

    It's correct. The SD stands for "Same Damn" Chargers.

  • Argolock
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 7:08pm

    Let's move two teams to the same city. They'll definitely love and cherish both equally...

  • MrMagoo52
    2 points Nov 14,2019, 1:09pm

    I’m sure Booger has something to do with this. He has ruined MNF for me.

  • 22Wideout
    3 points Nov 14,2019, 11:52am

    I think it stands for Sucks Dick

  • Nezn27
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 9:34am

    Looks like Rivers has a goiter here

  • BigBadBamboozler
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 9:38am

    Looks like future rendering of Rivers, after he retires and puts on a few pounds

  • nsraiderfan
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 10:16am

    Just move them to Winnipeg....The Winnipeg Winter Chargers....I'll call the league and get this rolling

  • MainEventCTB
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 10:19am

    In before they are the LON Chargers

  • HamiltonBlack
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 10:31am

    Mexico Chargers

  • purplepooters
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 10:50am

    how could a kicker miss by THAT much, I know it's off topic but I'm still bitter

  • pushinpushin
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 10:58am

    Cross it off then.

  • wildebeest11
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 11:55am

    Jefes y Cargadores

  • Underachlever
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:03pm

    They're doing it to attract Mexican fans from TJ, they know what they're doing its no accident

  • HisHighnessStannis
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:03pm

    This isn't out of date, that will be their new acronym when they move to South Dorshirster

  • bbshock21
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:09pm

    Maybe they know something we don't....

    ..or maybe they just got lazy. One can dream.

  • litdrum
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:12pm

    That's why you have your own network

  • Jokers247
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:13pm

    As it should be

  • nirad
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:13pm

    The Chargers should build their own stadium in Orange County and split the difference. The Inglewood stadium will never really be theirs.

  • DubNationAssemble
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:15pm

    Good job ESPN

  • forgotmypassword778
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:18pm

    Only in their third year in LA understandable

  • ThurnisH
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:23pm

    And these scars remind me the past is real

  • RicardoLovesYou
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:24pm

    They couldn't be arsed to get a photo of Mahomes looking at the camera either...

  • doctorstrange06
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:25pm

    I also still say the St Louis Rams.

  • xavierg67
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:28pm

    Yo they made Rivers look really bad 😂

  • Canttalkandnotcurse
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:35pm

    Brought to you by the company that thought Booger MacFarland was a good hire for commentary.

  • wescoe23
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:35pm

    drinking a $14 beer at LAX about to board a flight to MEXICO CITY

  • vatopac
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:37pm

    I live somewhere between LA and SD and I even sometimes forget they moved

  • StChas77
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:39pm

    Or perhaps they'll be the San Antonio Chargers or the Toronto Chargers or the Mexico City Chargers or the London Chargers...

  • CoaseTheorem
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:41pm

    It's about sending a message

  • t7f1q
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:44pm

    “Sorta Diego” /u/hamiltonblack

  • HCJohnson
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:49pm

    Madden doesn't look so dumb now, huh?!

  • manofpuck
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:50pm

    Poor chargers! Nobody wants them..

  • CapZappBranigan
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:50pm

    Fuck dean spanos

  • Parlett316
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:53pm

    Foreshadowing

  • RichieW13
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:54pm

    When I see them abbreviated as LAC, I think they are the Clippers.

  • revolutionarymindset
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:54pm

    I love it lmfao

  • mastercotcot
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:54pm

    Seems like any game of theirs I watch someone slips and calls them San Diego still

  • ellisboydreddit
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:55pm

    ESPN needs an intervention. They need to get on some kind of program. Hire a life coach.

  • Nole_in_ATX
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:55pm

    Stay classy

  • Dragonmk5
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:55pm

    The San Fans Chargers.

  • AoE2manatarms
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:55pm

    Ooof… Looks like they haven't accepted it either.

  • billcosby2019
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 12:59pm

    Wait, they put something on ESPN that doesn't relate to Lebron? Amazing!

  • delightfuldinosaur
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:04pm

    Go Charge Go

  • darkcoyote55
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:07pm

    No one cares where they are lol

  • ZimbabweHeist
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:09pm

    Passive aggressive

  • whitecheddarjuice
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:13pm

    Lovin rivers slight double chin here

  • LovinHI
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:15pm

    Doesn’t everyone still call them San Diego??

  • MoonlightStarfish
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:15pm

    Super Dank Chargers.

  • PM_ME_YOUR_BEST_PICK
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:16pm

    chargers back to san diego confirmed?

  • TheRook
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:17pm

    Saaan Diiiiiegoooo... SUUUUPEEER-CHAAAAAAAARGEERS!

  • Rhett_Buttlicker
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:18pm

    Mahomes looks like the "tough one" from a boy band here

  • Eagle0825
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:24pm

    Fuck dean spanos

  • 80sBadGuy
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:26pm

    SD: Southampton District, London.

  • maaaddenman
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:26pm

    Think ESPN would ever forget LeBron went to LA?

  • ChargedUp445
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:26pm

    Just move back already

  • rswsaw22
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:31pm

    I mean there is a good chance that there are more fans from San Diego at their games than Los Angeles fans.

  • CountDrewku
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:35pm

    Well who would give up the city of Whale’s Vagina?

  • Lightfiretx
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:37pm

    You can take the Chargers out of San Diego but you can't take the San Diego out of the Chargers.

  • mixmasterswitch
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:40pm

    Fuck Spanos

  • Iron_Chic
    1 points Nov 14,2019, 1:44pm

    Maybe it stands for "South Derby"..... a little foreshadowing of an overseas move??

COMMENTS

  • BraxxIsTheName
    3477 points Nov 14,2019, 9:02am

    IT’S NOT A PHASE, MOM!! I’M A LOS ANGELES TEAM NOW!!!

    EDIT: Grammatically pure now

  • bigdopa1
    2418 points Nov 14,2019, 7:57am

    I think SD stands for Sad Dad in this instance

  • janthony6
    1372 points Nov 14,2019, 8:07am

    They should just call themselves San Diego Chargers still.

    They play in LA but they aren’t LA. Kinda like the NY Giants play in Jersey but aren’t NJ. Or the SF 49ers play in Santa Clara.

  • Elintalidorian
    647 points Nov 14,2019, 9:29am

    It’ll probably take a decade for this to stop. I still call them SD out of habit. A lot of sports commentators and broadcasters do too. Hell, I think even rivers said San Diego once or twice. LA just feels so unnatural that nobody can get used to it.

  • LGCGE
    229 points Nov 14,2019, 10:08am

    The best solution to the LA team confusion is to have one of the teams move to Anchorage. Nobody in the world is gonna forget about the Alaska Chargers, and their home games would be lit.

  • yesterdays_newguy
    501 points Nov 14,2019, 7:52am

    Yup I still call san Diego. Habbit. But it's also a dig at them for fucking over their city

  • nancy_ballosky
    47 points Nov 14,2019, 12:09pm

    Im firmly in the "they should just move back and never talk about it" phase of my grief.

    Just walk in to the new SDSU stadium like my felon cousin at thanksgiving. Like nothing happened.

  • dynamo3g
    146 points Nov 14,2019, 8:10am

    They are still from San Diego in everyone's hearts

  • Theungry
    113 points Nov 14,2019, 9:48am

    They should just embrace the "sports entertainment" angle and start listing them as coming from "Parts Unknown".

  • AnticlimacticPicasso
    54 points Nov 14,2019, 11:05am

    Anytime I see LAC on the score feed, I always think of the Clippers before thinking of the Chargers.

  • CheesyCousCous
    184 points Nov 14,2019, 7:57am

    Do we really expect professionalism out of the people who work on the MNF broadcast?

  • jo_kat88
    17 points Nov 14,2019, 9:02am

    They should have put London and seen Spanos' reaction

  • GamblingMan610
    34 points Nov 14,2019, 8:52am

    they'll always be from San Diego in our hearts

  • mattrad
    32 points Nov 14,2019, 11:31am

    They'll always be the San Diego Chargers in my heart.

  • djcollins5569
    17 points Nov 14,2019, 9:26am

    They are the San Diego chargers of LA.

  • Smegmasaurus_Flex
    41 points Nov 14,2019, 8:13am

    Disney+ is sucking up all of their resources.

  • billsmafiabruh
    14 points Nov 14,2019, 10:27am

    Fuck you Spanos!

  • RobertNeyland
    13 points Nov 14,2019, 8:10am

    Happens to the best of us

  • linferno21
    12 points Nov 14,2019, 9:04am

    If I talk about the Chargers I have to actually force myself in my head to say Los Angeles a few times because I always forget they’re not in San Diego anymore

  • ucjj2011
    12 points Nov 14,2019, 12:09pm

    One of my favorite ESPN promos ever was when they were doing the Thursday or Sunday Night Football promos in 1994. They were doing the commercials with the electric football players (the little plastic ones that would "run" on the field).

    The "field" is decorated like an airport and a voice says "Welcome to Los Angeles". A bunch of Packers players come out of a gate yelling "YEAH!" and leave the frame. 2 seconds later they go back through the gate muttering "Stupid stupid stupid"

    The announcer says "It's the Green Bay Packers vs the ST LOUIS Rams"

  • breakup7532
    26 points Nov 14,2019, 7:50am

    Good!

  • pfcbrooklyn
    10 points Nov 14,2019, 12:04pm

    Obligatory fuck Dean Spanos?

  • historymajor44
    8 points Nov 14,2019, 10:29am