So you are telling me the Asian gentleman is actually Crosby.
Are Overwatch cards actual trading cards for competitive Overwatch players?
I don't think I'm old enough to feel this old
immediately scans every name on that list looking for players from my favorite team
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The Pongphop Rattanasangchod RC is going to become the modern-day Gretzky RC. Maybe.
Hope I can pull that Pongphop Rattanasangchod rookie card
Upper Deck fucked it up lol
UD messed something up?? No...
Are error cards still a thing?
Also. What's an overwatch?
Maybe there was something to that Canucks' Fortnite ban.
I’m happy Dion Phanuef found a career after his buyout
Oh boy I can't wait to get my hands on the Dion Phaneuf and Karl Alzner cards.
They should have started at Buffalo, not Calgary.
Could have gotten Sam Reinhardt
This Valiant helmet logo looks awfully familiar as well...
Justin Williams is definitely a Soldier main
Pongphop Rattanasangchod FTW
Ok, so, what happened?
Esports trading cards are objectively stupid, but the collector's market is no stranger to schlepping stupid shit for cash. Makes sense actually.
I literally don’t understand what I’m looking at.
I love Reimer, but why him over Barkov?
Overwatch sucks, Blizzard sucks, OWL sucks.
I get it, but I also don't get it.
I get it e-sports are like any other sports, so having sports memorabilia isn't surprising. But I also don't get it since their careers are so short even for top guys.
These contracts are getting fucking absurd
12.5 for mcdavid really doesn't seem high at all anymore.
My god the market is fucked this year
CBJ is going to need to pay up to make this work.
We have to sign DeBrincat next year. Can you other teams chill the fuck out?
Stop throwing so much money around!
Well, #DucheneWatch2019 doesn't quite have the same meme potential as #KarlssonWatch2019 or #TavaresWatch2018 did but it'll still provide us with some good memes. Let's start this shitshow.
I don't see how people are that surprised by any of this. No one bawked balked at Mark Stone getting $9.5M but now it's crazy for Duchene, who scored at similar rates and is a center, to get the same or more?
To anyone who thinks that these contracts are ‘getting ridiculous’ you fail to realize that it’s 2019 and players don’t want 2013 money they want 2019 money. With the quality of players increasing those who set themselves apart are going to want competitive compensation. And if you use contracts signed in 2013 as your model then your out of touch with how business is being done today. Especially with top tier players
So what does everyone have planned for the next lockout?
I bet he has no regrets turning down any of those sens offers now...
If Skinner got 9, Duchene will get like 10.5 and panarin will get 11
$9-10M is fair value for a UFA 1C these days. And Matt Duchene is a 1C. He's not the best 1C in the league but how few of them hit the open market to begin with?
Dunno why people are saying it's overpayment as if this is 2016. John Tavares literally just got paid $11.5 M last summer and he's a better player but if he got that amount then Duchene is getting at least $9.5 M the next summer.
This is the time for average players to cash in.
We are right on track for another Lock Out. As a Rangers fan who watched Hayes night after night, 7.14 for him??? Holy Shit, He is on his best day a 3rd line player. WTF? So what happens when we draft Kakko and in 3 years he scores 50 and has 50 helpers? Do you pay him 20mil if a clown like Hayes gets 7???
no income tax in nashville, 8.5 here we come
Pens and Caps fans feeling pretty good about their Crosby, Malkin, Ovi signings right about now.
Jarmo on line 1 offering 8 years/$80m
These contracts are honestly just getting ridiculous! I’m glad we only need to pay Rantanen a hefty amount which I was hoping would be around 9-9.5 but if Duchene gets 9.5+ then wtf!! Hopefully Rants is cool with 9ish.
What we really need is a bunch of Buddhist Monk hockey players who don't care about material goods and play for free
This is getting out of control pretty quickly...the disparity between entry level contracts and 2nd/3rd contracts are going to be significant. To a GM, there's really no incentive to draft well.
If you draft 3 great players in one year, let's say, but they all go from a few million towards combined your cap to 20 million after their entry levels combined, how can a team sustain a roster this way?
I mens he's probably worth it the way the markets going right? Things are Gunna get weird
So if the cap is going up by only about $2m as reported, how is all of this going to be played out? If guys keep taking massive contracts, someone is going to have to get shafted... there is only so much money to go around.
Id be okay with duchy at 7 years 72 million
Dreger is secretly a player agent right? At this point I would not be surprised if there were kick backs to Dreger from multiple agencies.
Little high if you ask me but I understand that’s where the market is going. Wondering if the nhl will have any future issues considering contracts are guaranteed. Yes, the salary cap is continuing to climb but long term big money deals are no longer reserved for a handful of guys across the league. Now every team has a handful that could handcuff them for years to come if the league doesn’t continue to grow at a considerable pace. With that said, I believe the league has never been better positioned to thrive given the on ice product and accessibility to fans. Get your paper Matt Duchene lol
I don’t get the logic of pointing to these bad outlier contracts as a case for why a guy should get paid. “Hey Kevin Hayes is making 7 over 7. I’m better than Hayes, I want 11 over 8 now.” Like yea we aren’t going to use a trash contract as a baseline. Teams could just as easily say Scheifele makes 6, Barkov makes 6, Mackinnon makes 6, and you aren’t better than any of those guys. You can’t point to overpaid on obviously bad contracts any more than you can point to underpaid guys on obviously team friendly contracts. Hayes is about a $5M player, Scheifele, Barkov, Mackinnon are probably worth $9-11M and I’d say Dutchy deserves $8-9M.
How soon before we see teams copying MLB and not signing guys who are 30+yrs old unless they take half of what they're worth? Once again this is a problem created by the owners by not learning from last mistakes. I doubt there were more than 2 other teams even willing to think about giving Skinner 9m but Buffalo panicked and gave in.
Lol flyers nice contract
$9.50 is dirt cheap.
I say 10M
Any idea where these estimates are coming from? Isn't the only team allowed to speak with him at this time Columbus? that seems to me that it's just saying "Duchene is asking for 9.5 mil"
Complete disregard for defensive play, possession metrics, and intangibles
I don’t hate this one. It isn’t great but I don’t think it’s completely terrible
This market is going to cause another lockout and result in players getting paid drastically less across the board....
Do I look like I give a fuck?
he better send kevin hayes a gift basket or something
I'll please take none of that. Thank you.
Yeah but this is Dreger. He's probably just trying to find a more roundabout way of getting a more absurd contract for Marner's agent.
This is the problem with shitty GM's giving mediocre players big money - it sets the bar way high for an actually decent player.
cmon, hes definitely worth at least ten dollars
Lol duchene estimated at 9.5+ and leafs fans are losing their minds that marner wants over 9....has duchene ever came close to a 95 point season?
did someone say lockout
Ten dollars a year ain't bad
Just trade all your pending UFAs for picks and prospects. Also, trade your first round pick for a soon-to-be ufa while you're at it. It's working out well for us Sens fans. We no longer really care about any of our players so losing them is nbd. #MelnykOut
Dreger reporting: Based on early estimates, expecting Duchene camp could or could not be in the ballpark of 9.5 mil. It really depends on where the camp sees itself value-wise.
sell sell sell
Kinda expected 9+ yeah
I don't think that's too unreasonable if he hits free agency. Yeah, free agency is going to cost more. That's normal. But with Duchene you're getting one of the best faceoff guys in the league who only puts up 50 points on a really off season. At worst, you're getting a 2C if you've already got a solid 1C, who can move up if your 1C is injured. Duchene isn't a guy you build a team around, but you're going to get your money's worth out of him. I'd pay him 10 before paying Hayes 7.
Scheifele at $6.125 is my aphrodisiac!
In a world where a winger like Jeff Skinner is making 9M, I do not see Duchene take anything under 10M.
Ouuu we getting a lockout soon.
Hayes broke the market more than McDavid did
Teams keep signing these deals and theres going to be a horrific adjustment period where everyone realizes they can't pay 3rd line forwards and 2nd pair dmen 4+ mil anymore. Gonna be a lot of guys in their late 20s out of jobs soon unless they take huge pay cuts.
Barkov's contract is a steal for what these guys are after. Barkov easily produces twice the rate as some of these guys who are seeking 9+ mil.
Think of how many Uber drivers you can pay to keep quiet with that kind of money
Term. Term is the important thing. Paying players big money in their prime is one thing, paying them big money well into their mid-late 30s is when teams get screwed.
not bad at all if it's 9.5M
Y'all need to be more like us and only go after hot young teens.
Ten bucks seems like a pretty good deal
Geoff Molson reaches out for a pen and his check book
EK65 at 11.5 is a steal if Duchene is 9.5+.
Wow that's overpaying him
I’m loling thinking about the 2010 Kovalchuk contract with the Devs.
The fact that Crosby only makes 8.7 in insane
NBA: Board man gets paid, NHL: Everyman gets paid
Duchene is gonna get like 50 million with those stats.
Marner is gonna make $16M isn't he
Cap hell incoming
Logan Couture at 8 mil per year is starting to look really good. Thank god DW didn't wait to extend him, especially after these playoffs.
Hayes is nowhere worth that money. He was close to invisible for the Jets in the playoffs.
Dreger is an idiot
Two things come to mind... The first is compliance buyouts are coming after the next negotiation/lockout. The second is Binnington now has Carey Price as a comparable
Marner’s getting 10
Yikes. I can’t help but think what Marchand or Bergeron would go for if they were up for free agency.
He doesn't want Matthews money?
Poile will somehow GM wizard his way into giving him a 7.5 million contract for 5 years.
Soo 7.14 for Hayes but the Nylander contract was too high...
People complaining that pro Hockey players are starting to get paid real money when every other sport has been paying players like this for years...
If I'm not mistaken, every one of my Bruins' is under that Hayes contract per year. Me happy. I know the big ones for the most part aren't very recent contracts, but still feels good.
Time for a lockout.
I think we're going to look back at this couple year period specifically and these deals are going to be so polarizing. Categorized as GREAT in hindsight and TERRIBLE in hindsight, no middle ground. Drai, Eichel, Nylander are going to look fantastic. Some of these other ones (Hayes at 7+ for 7 years LOL) are just going to be appalling for various reasons.
$9.5 million isn't bad at all for Duchene.
I'm so glad our GM got Guentzel signed months ago. I can't imagine what he'd ask for now with this craziness going on.
Don’t care...Pay me like Matthews
This Blues championship has really blurred the line between memes and reality. It is beautiful to behold.
Check your woicemail
Between this and Krejci's "he... he likes milk?" we totally need more foreign born players in the NHL who don't understand our weird North American sayings.
This was funny enough when Vlady said it, and I love that someone took the trouble to get it made
Someone on Pat Maroon's truck (his fiancee, I think) had a sign that said "You guys are fucked. --Pat Maroon".
I love this team. We truly won the Stanley Cup in memes this year.
I need this flag in my life
Just wanted to see my flair.
Im just surprised you can get a flag printed that quickly
I assume this is something one of the russians said, what's the backstory again?
Saw some shirts saying that at the parade also, hilarious
My friend asked him what rub off means and he smiled and said, “I don’t know.”
It’s got cop brakes, cop suspension, cop tires...
Nearby Timmie's on high alert
What an absolute mad lad
I love him
On his way to raise a barn.
I fucking love him
Rumour is that the police wanted him to drive a car until they realized he was drunk and there was a Tim Hortons along the parade route
That hat is awful
So much for that cracked rib
Didn't he steal it too?
All I see are butts
Blue shorts = off-season Pat Maroon
I wonder if the ladies are having any trouble determining which one is not a pro athlete...
Dang who’s wife is that?
I hate this team but I got to touch it via Pat Maroon. I need clorox
Pat Maroon looks like he’s spent the last 9 months drinking and bbqing not playing the world’s coolest game
Damn pat, got that beer gut hiding this whole time or is that a new son?
At this point it’s getting hard to believe they are still going strong.
Next time my husband complains about how fat he’s gotten I’m going to tell him he has the body of world champion athlete and show him pics of Big Rig.
It didn’t end up at the bottom of a pool again did it?
It took me reading almost the whole thread to realize that is indeed, Pathicc Maroon.
A lot of those women's legs...gotta be athletes.
Tell Brett Hall I say hello
LOL at Maroon
Maroon is peak male performance. The ideal man body.
That girl gon be hurtin tomorrow with that sun burn
Where where where I'm in Vegas and wanna see patty marroon
The quads on those lady legs tho.
Was your adventure to get into the party as good as this?
Those are some hungry butts
Phil Kessel is there too
Theres a trophy there?
CHUBBY BUT EFFECTIVE
Tis a fine barn, but sure it is no pool, English.
Been spending most his life, livin in an Amish paradise.
Scored 23 sweet points , now he’s hoisting up the Conn Smythe.
Looks like he’s gonna rob a bank in St. Denis with his fellow cowpokes.
prolly safer for him to drive a carriage tbh
Panger told him on stage it looked like he was going on tour with the Zac Brown Band
All of those Conn Smythe write-ins for "Amish Zorro" ended up going to ROR after all.
This city has great fans. Super nice people. And great drinkers.
🎶 We’re spending most our lives living in a St. Louis paradise 🎶
He looks like he’s going to leave in his horse-buggy to go live in Intercourse, Pennsylvania on the acre of land immediately adjacent to his trading partner, Nick Bonino.
Didn’t know Alfie Solomons played for the Blues
he's got that "i'm gonna drunk drive into a timmies tonight" look in his eyes
Tis a fine barn but sure tis no rink, English.
God damn I'd pay to shave that glorious beard for him
Hitchin' up the buggy. Churnin' lotsa butter. Raise the Cup on Monday. Soon I'll raise another.
Look at that smirk on that happy Amish man
More like raise a neo-folk band in a trendy neighborhood in downtown Portland.
Did he also get up early to milk their cow?
Something about having horses in the bacc
Tonight he's gonna party like it's 1699
All of a sudden I just want to play Amish Paradise by Weird Al.
That is the face of a not sober man.
Amish guy got a DUI on his horse and buggy near me recently. Wondering if they just mistook O'Reilly.
Man what an absolute unit he is
We don't have a cow. We have a bull.
As a Bruins fan, I have to thank O’Reilly. His pure joy since the win has been fun to watch.
Raise a barn on Monday, soon I’ll raise another.
Just realized from that pic how big the Stanley Cup actually is.
Raise a barn or cook blue meth
Well, he has to fix it after he got drunk off his ass, drove through it, then got a friend to lie for him.
Surely the decision to wear that hat was not influenced by celebratory elixirs of any kind.
That's one productive man!
He's been playing red dead.
I hope it's a beet farm
Chris Isaak over there on the left.
Holtby did it first
Welp no one else is going to be, so I'll be that guy. One wouldn't say raise a barn, since it would get confused in speech with raze a barn which means demolish not build.
Tis a fine Conn Smythe Trophy English, but it sure ain’t no barn.
Edit: Beat to it, AND got to quote wrong. Fuck me!
Something something Tim Hortons
Raised a Cup on Monday, soon I’ll raise another!
Sorry, no context on the colours. Here you go...
The names that surprised me on this list were Schmaltz and Burakovsky.
The remainder were pretty much what I expected to see. Still, interesting to see it in the data.
McDavid stands out as having a VERY small percentage of failed entries, even compared to other top skaters. He almost never fails to enter, even though he tries it a tiny bit less often that the top few guys.
Doesn't pass much, mostly carries the puck himself. Yep, I can confirm that's Athanasiou.
any chance of a legend to give the actual values and to explain what those coloured sections mean?
this chart is fairly meaningless without it
I got downvoted to hell last time I said this, so let me double-down: Johnny Gaudreau is the second best player on a Canadian team. He's amazing at zone entries. He setups shot attempts better than almost anyone in the league. He made Elias Lindholm into a first liner. He jumps off the page in every way, and is criminally underrated.
Also, Barzal is the truth. What a stud.
This why I’m still not sold on the Dylan Strome trade for the Hawks. Schmaltz is elite at entering the zone while Strome is pretty mediocre in that regard
If you’ve ever seen a Golden Knights powerplay than you’ll know what the exact art form of a failed zone entry looks like
I looked up and down the list feeling sad Barzal wasn't on there, didn't expect him to be first. If he learns to shoot more and not pass as much it'll be hard to contain him
Is this just for last season, I assume?
Zero Leafs on this list despite that offense tells you all you need to know about Babcock's shitty breakout system.
Nathan “Neverdump” Mackinnon
There were only 21 teams in 89??
Did this last year so I though I’d update it with the recent cup win and some more teams and details.
So I basically I took the a cup win and multiplied it by the number of teams in the league at the time or the number of teams you needed to get though
For example Montreal won 10 cups between 1942 and 1967 with 6 teams in the league so they got 60 points, or Chicago’s 3 cups between 2000-2017 with 30 teams gives them 90 points.
Here’s the excel file of most of my calculations if anyone is interested:https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ghuw4zsz61knk8y/AACAF9k3EIgVTThS_bQo5C7Ma?dl=0
Never thought I’d be so happy to be in 15th place
I appreciate you highlighting who the most recent cup winner is.
Toronto hasn't won in 52 years but still 2nd in cups. Wow..
This is my go-to argument whenever Rangers fans bring up that they've won more cups than the Devils. There were 5 other teams in the league when they won 3.
92 years for the Sens. Get on it! ;)
Yeah! Go Seattle!
I feel bad for Vancouver Millionaires fans. A cup drought of 104 years must be awful.
Here's how you can rank if a team outperforms cup wise.
Every year each team would theoretically have an equal chance of winning the cup. So
A = 1/number of teams that year
original 6, every team would have 1/6 of a cup at that time, now it's 1/31
sum all those fractions to get the total expected cups if a team is average, then do a Ratio:
Cups won / Sum (A). the higher the ratio, the higher the outperformance
I ranked these values based on how many years each team has been in the NHL:
damn lol the 80s Oilers carried the franchise hard
At least we’re winning somehow!
Wait - I thought that since all the leafs cups were won in the 06 era when you had to get through two all star teams (pretty much) that their cups don't count? This must be wrong.
teams in red are no longer in the league
Well yeah only two of them every were in the league to begin with.
I can see how one might thinking giving more weight to a winner when more teams are in the league. However, not sure how much weight you can give. With less teams, that would mean the best talent available is less spread out, making the teams stronger. Bear in mind NHL was like 95% Canadian players. In summary, so difficult to compare different eras.
LOL that the leafs have more cups than the bruins but the bruins somehow think they're better.
Not a fan of this
Woo. We're number three! We're number three! We're number three!
Hahaha jesus christ
There is no way that o'Reilly has been sober for even a second since that interview
Who would win in a fight; Ryan O'Reilly Conn Smythe head or TJ Oshie drinking a beer through his shirt over his head?
This silent hill remake is going with a very strange artistic design choice.
Christ almighty are they STILL at OB Clark's?!
Settle down Smythe Head
And a tradition is born.
I think Ryan O’Reilly just became my favorite hockey player
Edit: Joel Edmundson is my new favorite player
O'Reilly for Prime Minister
Keep this man away from all the Tim hortons because he’s enjoying himself. As he should.
Pyramid Head from Silent Hill's cousin
As cool as it is, I imagine it severely impedes beer-chugging.
This is one of my favorite post-Cup win celebration photos I’ve ever seen hahahahaha.
CHOOSE YOUR FIGHTER
Just keep him away from any trucks or Tim Horton's and we should be good.
Glad O'reily is finally giving his trophy the privilege to go party by itself
This is exactly what I think of when it is awarded every year. Glad to finally see it!
A little disappointed that it wasn't an actual picture of Conn Smythe
HAT HAT HAT HAT HAT HAT
What? Ryan O'Reilly is evolving!
BOW TO YOUR OVERLORDS
Expecting a picture of Tuukka ;)
This is actually the Conn Smythe on Joel Edmundson's head, lol
for some reason the first thing I thought of was Macho Man Randy Savage
There’s a 100% chance cocaine made an appearance on that flight
When the Gloria hits you
Rizzuto (our top morning show's host) said somebody got off the plane wearing just a vest. I knew it was Bobby Eyebrows. Now we have proof.
I as well kept my first cel phone from 2009!
Stone Cold Bobby Eyebrows
I love this guy. I still can't get over his crazy yell last night when he lifted the cup
Dudes gonna bust another ACL ffs
Robby al-Fabbri...ready to grant you three wishes...since one was already granted I gotta think of two more.
So pleased for this guy ❤
Fabbs is a party animal
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