If only she realized how much she had in common with "dope heads."
Insulin is too expensive, I agree with that.
But from what I’ve heard, Narcan is used to treat acute overdose. Like, you gonna die if we don’t do something to neutralize all the heroin in your system.
It’s like whining that they have to pay for heart medicine but any old person going into cardiac arrest gets a defibrillator used on them for free.
In any case, just because they don’t have to pay for the Narcan when the paramedic administers it doesn’t mean they don’t have to pay for it.
It's always "I have condition X", immediately followed by "These people (insert group here: thin people, old people, fit people, people with drug addictions, etc.) have condition Y, which is indefinitely worse than mine, therefore I deserve better/free treatment and your unlimited compassion"
This "us vs. them" thinking really irks me.
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What if everyone got the meds they need to survive for free and didn't have to worry about dying because they are poor?
Who wants tickets to the FAs vs Dope Heads match?
Okay I usually agree with everything posted here but I work for a diabetes education center and can factually tell you for some people, the genetic factor is huge and even despite correct lifestyle choices they're fucked. Yes, many if not most type 2s could have prevented insulin resistance... But some just will not be able to despite best efforts. On top of this, insulin is way overpriced and if I had a dollar for every patient of ours who has died because $200 for insulin monthly(not even including test strips), I'd quit work tomorrow. This common misconception that all type 2s are lazy fatasses bothers me. Oh and also if your family has a history of autoimmune illness chances also greatly increase. Hopping off the soapbox now. Sorry guys.
Most insulin dependent diabetics are type I which is an autoimmune disease, type II diabetics usually still produce insulin but are just resistant to it and most are managed by oral meds. This makes the sentiment a little more understandable, though I still disagree with it.
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!
Every day I find motivation to keep losing weight from the dumbassery I see in this sub. Seriously. Didn't choose to keep eating sugar and carbs every few hours for your whole life huh. Sounds like a choice to me. (obviously doesn't apply to those who have diabetes not caused by overeating)
Except Narcan isn’t free. At least not in the US.
Unless she realizes that sugar is addictive, she really has no hope.
That’s just ugly.
I have seen this argument before, and I hate it so much. In addition to being morally reprehensible, it's stupid. If drug companies could find a sustainable way to charge individual patients a fortune for Narcan, they would 100% be doing that. But addiction and diabetes are two completely different diseases, with very different patient populations (for the most part; obviously there's some overlap, since it's not impossible to have diabetes and also use drugs). Even the most prolific opioid enthusiast isn't overdosing every day or even every month; they can get by just fine without Narcan most days (until that one bad day when they can't). So do you think someone who's suffering from a severe addiction is going to spend a single dollar that could go toward heroin or pills right now on something that might theoretically keep them safe someday in the future? Of course not. If people dealing with drug addiction were expected to pay for the rescue doses of Narcan a lot of hospitals and clinics and pharmacies give them to carry around so they have it on hand in case they or someone they're with overdoses, the vast majority of them just wouldn't do it. Whereas with insulin, no matter how high the companies jack up the prices, diabetic patients and their families will do everything they can to scrape together enough money to buy at least some insulin (even if they can't afford the full amount they should be taking) on a regular basis. Drug companies haven't come to a consensus that the lives of people with addiction are more valuable than the lives of people with diabetes, they just know that people with diabetes are, in this particular area, more vulnerable and easier to exploit.
Love how she felt the need to insult drug addicts while also possibly (I don’t know her, so correct me if I’m wrong) being an addict herself.
Also, addiction is a mental illness. Sure, addicts can and do do shitty things that shouldn’t be excused away by their illness, but acting like you’re above an addict (diabetic or not) is kind of ableist. Ironically.
There’s a huge disconnect between the purpose of the MyFitnessPal app and the articles that they present in the newsfeed section. I don’t think the people in charge of curating the content for the articles really vet them before posting them.
I just ignore everything on my fitness pal except for my daily logs
I'll put in a plug for Cronometer, which is completely free of this sort of stuff and has a much more accurate food database.
isnt the whole fucking point of the "set point" bollocks the claim that it DOES NOT CHANGE?
Their articles have always been ridiculous, and the forums positively feral.
It's still the best database, though, IMO. I divide my time between Europe and New Zealand and its database seems to have ALL THE BARCODES (been tracking recently to show my mother how to do it).
Honestly I have used myfitnesspal since forever, and even though I have looked into other apps because myfitnesspal keeps doing stupid things (like crashing for no reason, duplicating foods, or not adding some foods to the dairy at all) and keeps adding features I don't use I can't seem to change 😭 the other app's interfaces are just so annoying/ugly. Stupid thing made me a slave to it
I realize setpoint is BS, but it does sometimes FEEL like there's just an "easy" weight for me to maintain. I dropped from ~265 or so to about 200 maybe 16 years ago, but really should be at about 175. I've gotten myself down to 178 before but ALWAYS slowly slip back to the mid 190's. It seems like if I do nothing and just "live" I stay at around 194, when I feel totally disgusting and I get on the scale it's like, OMG, 196.
I can bust my ass, eat great for a month or two and get down to like 180 but I fall back into my normal ways and again 190's before I know it. I understand what's happening, and I joke that when I tell people I want to lose 15lbs it's that I want my "god, I feel like a fat disgusting POS" weight to be 180. I guess it just feels like a "set point" weight. It's just the weight that my lifestyle has determined, it's still frustrating.
MFP is pathetic now. Dump them, use Cronometer. It's better in every way I could possibly describe.
Set points don't explain body weight regulation in the current food environment.
This and the "wishful thinking" entries in MFP that I kept finding and almost accidentally logging is why I switched over to Cronometer
I just ignore the blog/articles entirely. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is pretty much the reason I stopped using it. That and my foods are pretty much the same daily, so I no longer needed it. A LOT of what I read on there was contradictory to what I was using it for.
I add my calories, sometimes some exercise and just ignore everything else. Lost 35lbs so far. It's a nice tool but for sure I won't read their annoying blogs/articles.
I don’t use MFP anymore. The straw that broke the camel’s back was their review of my day: “if every day was like today, you’d weigh 12 stone 5lbs in four weeks”. Like no, lmao - I had eaten 1700 calories and had spent most of the day hiking through a forest. I got Cronometer instead - very non-judgemental, and allows me to see my macro- and micronutrients.
I’ve lost a shit ton of weight in the last year (over a 100 pounds) and did hit weight set points. I know because they are the same set points and exact body weights I stalled at last time I went through similar weight loss 10 years ago.
They last about 1-2 weeks. But MFP is wrong, you aren’t trying everything if you can’t break the plateau. I’d like to see more studies on set points.
Thought that dude had his dick out for a second
I just wanna plug MyNetDiary if anyone is looking for alternatives.
Ok, I have nothing to say on the fat shaming part of this, however, the way the picture is, when scrolling past it, I glanced at it instantly though that he had an erection, that he was just hanging out there.
Someone posted on r/keto I believe it was that MFP was advertising DQ Blizzards and Krispy Kreme donuts. Who wants to see that shit on ANY kind of diet?
Is this video bullshit? I see a lot of people against set-point but haven't taken a dive into the literature myself. His videos are generally really good.
Since when is set point considered "fat logic"? maybe is a fancy buzzword these days but there is a lot of science behind it and some very respected people in the fitness industry like Mike Matthews Lyle Mcdonald Martin Berkhan (from Leangains) say its very real.
That shadow is his penis and I refuse to believe anything else.
I love how they're always writing these long-winded, kind of academic looking essays which boil down to "I want to eat infinite amounts of food and I want you to celebrate it"
The moment you start talking about diverging fro mainstream medical practice and ideas there's a 99% chance you're full of bullshit
People being taller is not increased variation.
And being taller is not associated with increased mortality (outside of a few extreme examples).
If you don't stop growing it's serious business and time to break out the gamma knife.
Correlation doesn’t equal causation on one study, but when you rerun it over and over agin plus get different studies that all show the same correlation. You could probably link them.
Fruit does have sugar, but people wildly overestimate how much due to the fact that juice has tons of sugar in it, and people forget how much fruit it takes to make juice.
For example, 12 oz of orange juice has a pretty decent amount of sugar in it (about 30 grams compared to 39 grams in a can of coke). But guess how much sugar is in one individual orange? About 9 grams. That means you'd have to eat slightly more than 4 oranges in one sitting to equal the sugar of one can of coke. How many people eat 4 entire oranges in a single sitting?
Another fun fact: drinking 2 cans of coke (which plenty of people do when sitting down to eat at a restaurant) is roughly the equivalent of eating an entire pineapple in one sitting (in terms of sugar).
So yes: fruit does have sugar, but unless we're talking about juice, you'd have to consume an insane amount of fruit for it to start having really negative effects on you.
I used to drink 1000+ calories of pop everyday. That's like 11 apples. I like apples, but you'll never catch me casually eating 11 apples in a day. But if I did, at least I'd be getting fiber and micronutrients.
People get fat eating apples n grapes all the time. DUH!!!
Fruit has sugar.
Healthists O W N E D
Yeah, lemme go pick some soda off the soda trees. 🙄
And water is free
Don’t tell r/waterniggas they will cut a bitch
Hello darkness my old friend...
But fruit has fiber... which helps with the intake of sugar...
You would need to eat so much fruit to even get near the amount of sugar pop has... Also what the fuck is this argument? It's like if I stabbed someone to death, and when confronted, said: "You know what ELSE kills people? GUNS!!!"
r/waterniggas condemns this action and declares war!
Ah, the either or argument again. Not that I’m saying fruit has as much sugar as soda, but there is a third option. You could eat neither.
1 fruit has fibre2 soda has a hell if a lot more sugar3 soda has manufactured sugars which are unhealthy unlike the sugars in fruit
somebody call r/waterniggas
Goddamn this thread is making me crave fresh fruit.
I hate ridiculous taxes and the nanny state as much as the next guy, but this is absolutely the wrong way to go about arguing against them.
Sometimes my fitness pal tells me I’m eating too much sugar on days I eat a lot of fruit. But somehow I managed to loose weight. Must be because I keep it in my calories and all the fiber means I poop 3x a day.
I’m surprised that the market for soda with sugar is still so large. The taste difference between zero calorie and full calorie sodas is so small and there’s not really a price difference either. I can only conclude that people who drink sugary soda want to gain weight and spike their insulin.
Soda has 30+ grams of refined sugar and a mandarin orange has what, 10?
People who are fat aren't fat because they eat too much fruit. 😒
Oh fuck off, as if soda is a class war thing.
Try eating 1000 calories of apples in one sitting. Guarantee you can't fit a double cheeseburger on top of it.
Fruit is a dessert everywhere else.
I guess the underlying logic here is that sugar is good for you because fruit has sugar?
Like always, nothing is really bad for us in itself. It's the overconsumption that is bad. We are not made to have fruits just readily available in such masses for us. Thousands of years ago people stumbled upon trees with fruits. And those trees back then didn't have those big juicy apples. They didn't have hundreds of apples growing on one tree. The fruits we have now are genetically manipulated by selective breeding over thousands of years. Fruits weren't as sugary back then. We made them so sugary. And we planted them en masse.
I’m sure she meant “perpetuating” instead of “perpetrating” 🙄
I mean, yes, but generally fructose>glucose/sucrose. And there's is A LOT less sugar in fruit because you eat less of it. An apple has 10g of sugar per 100g, bananas have 12g, oranges have 9g, strawberries have 4.9g. An 8oz glass of Pepsi has 27g of sugar.
Y’all really think a tax on soda gonna change anything?
“Perpetrating stigma”? Does this person mean perpetuating the stigma? Because their current phrasing really doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Fruit isn't JUST sugar though. Bananas: potassium, apples: fiber and C, grapes: b6, etc. All you get from pop is sugar. And classist? I make just above my states minimum wage yet I never drink pop, if I do it's zevia which is flavored carbonated water with stevia. Not that nectar/sap.
YOurE hAtrEd oF sOdA iS eViL fAtPhObIa!
TIL soda = fruit
My friends dad moved out of his area listing the soda tax as one of the reasons when I asked him why. Nice man but ridiculous, fat but not morbidly obese. I've never seen him without a soda (or a beer)
“Your hatred of soda is class snobbery...”
Yeah, tell that to the complete lack of soda in my house until I was 12 cause we couldn’t afford it. I drank so much dang tap water growing up, thought I was gonna turn into a fish. 🙄
There isn't any High Fructose Corn Syrup in a fucking pear you dunce.
Fruit has some vitamins and other nutrients in it. In moderation, there are benefits to consuming fruit. A candy bar every so often also will not lead to obesity if it is not an ongoing and significant part of your diet (and obviously if you do not have any medical conditions preventing you from eating them).
But it’s the ‘in moderation’ and ‘if’ aspects that many of these militant ‘body positive’ psychos cannot mentally process, or practice.
Yep. Pouring hundreds of corrosive liquid calories down your throat that your body has no use for unless it's trying to rapidly drain you of fluid to expel a virus that is loaded with artificial sugars is definitely the exact same as the same and often fewer calories in the form of actual food your body will need to digest, much of it bound to fiber, all of it natural and with no added chemicals.
I hate soda and fruit so screw you lmao
I somewhat agree on one point: Eating fruit to lose weight doesn't always make sense. My personal diet contains no fruit whatsoever because they don't fit into my calories and they're not needed for micronutrients.
But trying to make that a social issue... try again.
YES, BUT IT'S A HEALTHY SUGAR. IT IS NOT AT ALL PROCESSED OR ARTIFICIAL SUGAR.
It's not like these are two different sugars, noooo
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And that's why vegetables are generally recommended over fruits. Drinking OJ is not doing you any favours.
Different kinds of sugar as well. Easier to break down sugar from fruits rather than sugar from soft drinks (soda).
There is discussion in Sweden regarding a sugar tax on added sugar. I made a point on how fruit juice should also fall under the umbrella of the sugar tax if it's ever enacted. Fortunately, fruit juice bottles do not grow on trees. Fruit juice is basically soda. Fruit, however, is not equivalent to candy.
It’s true I once drank and strawberry-banana-blueberry smoothie and gained twenty pounds. Soda would have been healthier! /s
I'd have to eat ~700g of strawberries to equal the sugar in 1 can of coke. That's over a pound of strawberries. Hell, even if I compare to the "bad" fruit like a banana or watermelon. That's 3 bananas or ~570g of watermelon to 1 can of coke. This is why I hate that fruit has been labeled as unhealthy and now people are seeing it as no different than soda or a candy bar. It stops what could have been a small change towards a healthy diet.
Yeah, but fruit has nutrients that our body needs to grow.
Pop does not.
TONS of fruit has tons of sugar. I can eat 200g sugar in fruit but it takes rather a few hours and special fruits I don't have every day for various reasons. And it's occasional. One doesn't consume a ton of sugar from fruits, usually (fruitarians do but even they take special efforts). But from crappy things with added sugar? It's not even hard for many people. Drinking a ton of sugar is too easy.
Shit like wasting money on sugarliquid is literally what holds low class people down.
So is she pro or anti fruit????
You want to know what else fruit has that soda doesn't?
Fiber. Vitamins and minerals. You know, actual nutrition.
Talk about first world problems ... you can’t handle the stigma of your socioeconomic status forcing you to drink sugary stuff that costs $2/20 oz when drinkable water is damn near free.
You know, a lot of people will have a bottle of coke with lunch. I don't know many people who will have half a dozen oranges with lunch though.
yeah but fruit has other nutrients in it and a pretty low cal compared to soda, plus you don’t eat like 40 pieces of fruit a day
Everybody knows that soda is a necessary nutrient!!
Not as much as added sugar in soda, and it’s way easier to drink sugar than eat it as fruit
Lmao that's why I don't drink soda OR eat a fuckton of fruit
let fat people fucking die don’t tell them what’s healthy
It’s a different type of sugar
And yet taxing sugar is still backwards. It's not government's job to police people's diets.
Plus the government still thinks fats make you fat and canola oil is healthy and people should be eating mostly carbs.
The type of sugars in fruit and the type of sugars in soda are different. I'm not a nutritionist, but I feel like I've heard enough Joe Rogan to know better.
Twitter for Android...
I ate 69 oranges, now I have have stage 4 lung cancer.
Citation needed. 😂
Orange claims to be a professor of the health sciences.
This is the one guys, we can close the sub now. This one wins.
These people, I swear. Every time I think I read the most insane nonsense ever typed into a keyboard, something new pops up.
They should REALLY get outside, meet some real people, experience the real world. This Fat Acceptance bubble of theirs is warping their minds and leads to dangerous conclusions.
It’s the weight...loss...that leads to diabetes? What the what.
Also I thought correlation wasn’t causation 😤
A Canadian Redditor went to Cuba for loose skin removal surgery.
Why have some celebrities like Jennifer Hudson and Drew Carey managed to keep weight off for a long period?
Do celebrities have different genetics like the rest of us? Is Men In Black real and Hudson and Carey are really space aliens?
Transient, but sometimes significant elevations in fasting blood sugar and cholesterol levels with weightloss is pretty common. The liver processes cholesterol so I think in theory you could also see a spike in liver enzymes. It goes away once the weight loss stabilizes.
Bariatric surgery patients developing liver disease after surgery and weight loss is also a thing although I believe the root cause is controversial.
You see elevated cholesterol a lot in chronic anorexics so in theory you might also see more heart disease. End-organ damage causing liver failure or diabetes can also occur.
I like that orange starts off terrible and manages to get worse
Me douching before anal: F*ck I’m gonna be so skinny
Scary, spooky germs in your tummy!
I think I heard colon cleanse can be dangerous? Anyone know anything about that claim? (I'm pretty sure I heard it from that 'famous' Dr. Mike guy on YouTube but i could be completely wrong)
I weigh 102 lbs. Are you telling me I am actually 82 LBs and meet the BMI criteria for irreversible starvation at 14.9?!!?!!?!?? Are you telling me ~20% of my body weight is TOXINS?!?!??!
Had a job in a health food store years ago. Stuff like that was a huge money making argument to sell "cleanses" for that annual spring time colon sweeping, with additional "weight loss". The stuff was, obviously, expensive as hell and it sold like hot cakes.
People are desperate for solutions like that.
The human body is designed to clean toxins out. How about helping your liver and kidneys by eating good, nutritious food and not flushing them with alcohol and boatloads of sugar? That would be a good start (saves money, too!)
There's a reason nobody likes colonoscopy prep.
Clean them nasty bowels in one easy step. (Twice a year and don't make any plans for those days.)
Or you could just eat vegetables occasionally
I mean.. that still wouldn't explain how some people are like 4/5/600 lbs.
Wow - my actual body mass must have dropped 100 lbs the past 5 years I've been maintaining weight. All those people who tell me I'm full of shit are right!
Even if this were true. Wouldn't shitting out 20 lbs at once take all day and destroy your plumbing?
Cleansing the colon once or twice a year is important
I just took a bottlebrush to mine last week so I’m set until Halloween
And wipe out the entire microbiome! Why aren’t these people prosecuted for fraud? Oh, right. Capitalism.
I’m just saying, as an expert that watched bridezillas, that you can lose up to 1.5-2 pounds getting the gas released from your asshole. Of course, the number isn’t accurate bc the bridezilla couldn’t follow through on the entire “treatment” as it was uncomfortable.
Also, watching many infomercials late at night, I could even be considered a doctor. And such colon cleanses exist. Trust me, I offered my sister this information to clear up her egg causing death farts.
Oh wait, is there supposed to be an /s?....../s
Looks like an ad for an MLM, it’s just missing the “white pants approved”
If only our body had an organ that specialized in removing toxins
Do you know you can be obese and healthy?
You can also get shot at and remain unharmed, but I'd wager they wouldn't volunteer to be a target at a gun range.
Apparently, Having no fat rolls is unhealthy. This post shows the dangers of only surrounding yourself with people who have the same condition as you so you set the standard for health based the 'healthiest person you know'.
You heard it here first; you can be obese and healthy but being a skinny stick is unhealthy!
Wow kombucha has sugar in it
This reminds me I haven't had kombucha in way too long. I should probably get around to breeding my own SCOBY.
These ramblings start to blend in together. It's a mix of the same tired phrases. Healthier than everybody else, beautiful, skinny sticks, metabolism, thyroid, set point, bla, bla, bla...
If you love your fat body so much and you are so healthy and happy, then why are you so defensive? I don't care. I won't say anything, promise. If that's what's making you happy, be my guest.
But don't tell me people are actively after you because you're fat. I don't believe it. I don't. I was obese for many years and nobody ever said anything. Just live your life and leave other people alone.
*healthy. Messed up the title 🤦🏽♂️
“She doesn’t eat any sugar and is still overweight”
Just going to take an educated guess here and say she doesn’t actually measure sugar intake during the day, she might just avoid sweet things like cookies and candy.
I gained about 15-20 pounds just from eating fast food (which does have some added sugar in it, but might not be considered a “sugary thing”), so... yeah idk where I was going with this.
Someone in these threads is always "the healthiest person I know." It's dumb.
I run. I lift. I eat well. My bloodwork and physical markers are great.
But it would be idiotic for me to say "I'm the healthiest person I know" because I could have all sorts of cancer eating away at me right now and not know it. We're ALL healthy af until suddenly we're not.
I love kombucha, does that mean I get to eat fries all day and stop working out? Since evidently kombucha alone is enough to make you healthy?
ShE drINkS KomBuCHa fOr CHriSt SaKE
Obese and healthy do not go together
Also since when is drinking Kombucha the Mark of being healthy
Okay. Can someone explain Kombucha to me? Health benefits? Is it good for weight loss? (I subscribe to CICO but I’m always down to try stuff that’s good for me) I’ve tried it once and it was so nasty it was like drinking straight vinegar...am I doing it wrong? Someone help me see the light!
yeah, sure.when they say "the healthiest person i know", i suspect they know only a few people and none of them is very healthy.
do obese vegans even exist
There is so much vegan junk food these days. Oreos are vegan, good quality dark chocolate is vegan, you can get vegan pizza, vegan burgers, vegan breaded fake meat. You could stuff your face all day with vegan food and not eat a single fresh vegetable or fruit. You can not only stay obese on a vegan diet, you can become obese on one.
When I told him to fuck off I got banned with no warning
Talk about being entirely un-selfaware
Not being facetious- is this a thing? I would never have thought so. It seems complicated.
Yes, obese vegans do exist. I used to be one of them. I was absolutely miserable, I always felt like shit and it was getting hard to go up/down stairs. I would eat and eat until I was too sick to move. It was disgusting.
70 pounds later I'm now a "skinny-fat" vegan. I have a healthy BMI and I eat normal portions of mostly healthy foods. I am starting to incorporate more exercise. I feel incredible!
When I first went vegan I subsisted entirely on Oreos, plain potato chips, coca cola, and fries. It was gross.
I cook everything from scratch now and am almost entirely sugarfree. But she was a rough start!
As an overweight vegan, may I be the first to tell her to shut the fuck up.
Is "heirloom tomato tartare" just a pile of salsa?
Sprouts...is a store I go to for luxury items?
I work with vegans as part of my job and while most of them are lovely and extremely engaged people, the whole movement is incredibly polarized and opinionated with a touch of the ‘no true vegan’ unless you adhere to one subset’s rules over another.
There is also a tendency in my area certainly to worship vegan junk over whole foods and a fairly strong FA vibe.
I got yelled at by one person because I didn’t eat any of the vegan food at an event and this was me being hostile. In actual fact it was because it was all food I don’t eat non vegan versions of either. Huge frosted donuts, cheezeburgers three patties thick, fully loaded dawgs, wodges of cake with whole Oreos on top, ice cream sundaes dripping in sauce and nuts and nut based cheeze and everything swimming in coconut milk.
I have no gallbladder. I just can’t eat that kind of state fair style food whether it’s got animal protein in or not. I’d have gone gangbusters for a really good salad or something not dripping in fake cheese or vegan mayo though and honestly wish vegan culture is my city was less junk food oriented.
Where can I find these healthy vegan Facebook groups? I wish mine was more like hers. Literally all my local vegan group does is post new vegan food discoveries in town and vegan options at food festivals. There’s the occasional antivaxxer that gets smashed down and there’s a couple people who are ultra crunchy all natural vegans and a couple super health conscious people and like 1 guy who actually posts activism stuff occasionally but it’s over 95% junk food pictures lol
"I was in the wrong for telling a guy who was asking for genuine advice to fuck off? The nerve of people!!"
As someone who has eaten a vegan diet for almost two years, I have so many things to say about this.
-There are vegan subreddits that are all about food and don’t care about if the food is healthy or not. r/veganfoodporn, r/drunkvegan, and more. Heck, even r/vegan fills up with people praising different junk foods that have now gone vegan.
-In general, a Whole Foods approach to a vegan diet will definitely help someone lose weight and get fit. It’s helped me keep the weight off with much more ease than I thought possible.
-Just because other people want to talk about getting healthy and doing something doesn’t mean they are insulting out to get you.
-There are a large quantity of healthy vegans because of their whole foods and healthy approach. Many new vegans are coming to this diet strictly for health purposes. That’s why I did it.
-Going vegan and being fat and unhealthy is still very possible. Especially with all of the stuff they’re making now. As I tell many of my friends when they ask if there are any unhealthy vegan foods, I quickly point out that sugar, salt and oils are vegan. It’s easy to eat too many calories and overload your system with sugar/salt.
-Last, come on people. A big part of becoming vegan is to make conscious decisions. This person wants to save animals by eating a vegan diet. That’s great. That’s an incredible sacrifice and conscious, well-thought out decision. It makes sense. But then to go the other way and refuse to see the ramifications to your own life with unhealthy vegan eating is rough. It’s not good. And there are so many ways you can eat a really great, delicious and fun vegan diet. I certainly do and I haven’t looked back. But keeping your own health in your mind is too important to down all the vegan Oreos and ice cream.
Well when i went vegan I was 132,3 kgs, now i am 111kgs (I'm 1,62m). So even tho I lost weight I am still an obese vegan.
I eagerly wait the great FA-Vegan war of the 2020s.
Telling someone to "fuck off" for asking a question about the benefits of veganism on a Vegan sub gets you banned! Whowouldathunkit!?!
avocado and tomato tartare is literally guacamole though
When you're not welcome in a community that's known for gatekeeping (ask me how I feel in vegan communities when admitting I do it for health reasons, not for the animals) because you gatekeep too much...
Tbh I also feel salty towards people "going vegan" for health reasons and not the animals. A well-balanced vegan diet isn't healthier than a well-balanced omnivore diet. People who tell you otherwise (usually on YouTube...) are trying to sell you something.
Anyway, she probably got banned for telling another member to fuck off. Not for suggesting you can be a fat vegan. Of course you can. Excess calories of any type lead to weight gain.
There are some crazies who will say people are "lying about being vegan" if they're fat or obese. Thankfully they're in the minority. At least on r/vegan.
A woman I used to work with has been severely obese for all of the time I've known her (over a decade). A couple years ago she went vegan. And GUESS WHAT?! She hasn't lost a pound. It's easy to to be fat and vegan.
That's the first time I've heard "wasn't expensive" and "Sprouts" in the same sentence.
I know a bunch of overweight/obese vegans. Vegan doesn't automatically mean healthy.
Vegan keto? That must be interesting.
I was vegan for about a decade. I wasn’t a “principle” vegan, it’s just how I learned to cook, from scratch vegan, and I really didn’t think about it. Food was awesome, and I was happy. Vegan holier than thou culture, though... talk about a toxic environment.
Horrible at self awareness if she doesn’t realize why she was kicked out and doesn’t realize sprouts is expensive lol
Dude I didn't even like food that much until I went vegan, so much delicious pasta, cakes, cookies, paella, junk food, etc. I used to be really good at keeping track of what I ate because I didn't really care that much, but as a vegan I've had a really hard time losing weight because I always want to try new recipes and vegan products. Veganism is fantastic and I recommend it to anyone but it is NOT a "diet" for weight loss.
This is one of my least favorite people.
I can't stand vegans. I am a vegan and I absolutely can't stand this hive-minded angry holier-than-thou cult mentality they have going on. If you go vegan for health reasons you're not vegan, if you don't do activism you're not vegan, if you eat in restaurants that don't only serve vegan food/non-vegan grocery stores you're not vegan, if you a date a non-vegan you're not vegan...It's gotten to the point where it's a really toxic community that essentially says that if animal rights are not the be-all end-all of your life you're a piece of scum that deserves to die. I'd give anything to meet some level-headed vegans and discuss recipes and stuff with them but I can't deal with this.
And the battle begins
Grow the hell up
You probably got banned for telling someone to Fuck off, not because your obese
“Do obese vegans exist” absolutely they do. Rice, beans, pasta, fruit, these things can add up the calories quick.
There is absolutely no weight loss magic in vegan diet. I have been overweight most of my life, and went vegan 1,5 years ago. Haven't lost a pound, still overweight. And I mostly eat whole foods, which people find hard to believe since I am still fat. I like food and I eat as much as I want to, that's why I am still fat, even with whole foods.
What people don't see on the outside is that my cholesterol has lowered dramatically, my blood pressure has dropped from borderline high to ideal, I have more energy and my bowel works amazingly, never have constipation anymore. So sure, I haven't lost weight on vegan diet, but I have definitely improved my health anyway.
I mean I know a fat vegetarian but he’s not vegan so he can still eat all that chocolate and shit.
When you're so much of a complete jerk you get banned from vegan groups for being a jerk. Does that make you the jerk of jerks? The Jer-King, perhaps? (completely safe for work)
Trigger warning: insipid non self aware poo head
Vegans tend to be a very vocal militants, I can imagine moderating groups of them would lead to mods to be rather generous in the ban hammer. Shocker that telling someone to fuck off unprovoked for asking a common question would ever lead in a ban eye roll
I became a bit underweight last summer after my hiking trip and ate up all the vegan deliciousness telling myself “I refuse to feel guilty about eating vegan food” and quickly gained the weight back. Sure, it’s great that I’m back in the BMI range for my height, but if I hadn’t slowed my damn roll I’d have kept the weight gain train running full speed ahead. I went to school with a dude whose family runs a couple vegetarian/vegan restaurants and he’s been obese since middle school. Calories, y’all.
She lives on the scene, I wish I had this many groups. Or even a friend
A vegetarian friend of a friend was told she had to lose weight in order to be a candidate for breast reduction surgery. She switched from a diet based on dining hall curly fries to one based on cheetos because "they're only X points." I have no idea how WW works, but I'm pretty sure it's not that way.
She's how I learned that a meatless diet does not equal a healthy diet.
I’ve lost 35 lbs literally eating certain fast foods ni veganism, just watching my portions and not over eating. Anything in moderation is ok, it’s bad when you get out of control which is easy to do with these processed cheap foods we have.
I bet her version of telling someone to "fuck off" includes harassment, and that's why this ray of sunshine was banned.
You know how you see a certain username and you just know that you're about to read some vitriolic shit? Yeah, she's one those, I bet.
Vegan keto sounds fucking hard.
Avocado and tomato tartare? Aka guacamole you were too lazy to mix?
If you are offended by the common posts to a group, then leave. If groups aren't run the way you think they should be, then make your own. You are not being forced to be a part of any of the groups
I don't agree with vegans on many things, but this is one thing we can agree on.
I went vegan for a year entirely for health and environmental reasons. I have no problem with killing livestock which are purpose bred to be eaten (I.e. wouldn’t exist had we not selectively bred them).
Okay, but I'm on several vegan groups and most conversations are either "Fuck yeah, hommus!" or 50 more ways to make Oreo-based desserts.
I mean they could be borderline and be ok if they do have a decent amount of muscle. BMI-wise I'm like 24.5 and my body fat percentage is within normal ranges for a woman of my age and height. The skeleton weight is...not a good argument on the other hand.
If it is actually someone “almost classified as overweight “ and not obese, then muscle could be at fault. It’s when someone is a BMI if 35, or usually even 30 where that is basically impossible. If someone is close to BMI 25, they could definitely look really average & be muscular.
I mean the BMI classifies my friend as overweight who is a professional dancer and thin as a stick. He's just muscle and bone.
But somehow I don't believe that's the case here
I think this person's logic is just a little off. The reason BMI is a range and not a set number is because it DOES (for the most part) account for muscle and stuff. It makes sense that this person is at the higher end of their healthy BMI range since they imply they have more muscle.
Being big-boned is a thing, but it gets you off the hook for 5 or 10 pounds - not 50.
BMI says they're ALMOST overweight so it's wrong because they're not overweight? 🤷♀️
It’s cuz muscle and bones aren’t considered mass.
I have BMI close to 22. And still look like skinny boi. And I do have some mucle
It's not fatlogic, it's totally true. The skeleton matters less but still some, I don't mean the weight of the skeleton itself but it's pretty logical one have a bigger normal weight with wider shoulders if everything else is the same.
I thought it's well known that muscular ones has a misleadingly high BMI even if they have super little fat. Being in the overweight range according the BMI doesn't mean one has any fat to lose.
50 pounds of extra muscle (compared to a pretty normal but definitely not really muscular one) is totally possible for a man. I don't know the numbers for women but they can gain some too.
BMI is a flawed measurement. Big NFL players would be classified as obese by the system. It doesn’t separate muscle from fat and penalises healthy people who work out.
Vox made a great video explaining ithttps://youtu.be/z_3S2_41_FE
SKELETONS I'm crying
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