Metabolism is the category of chemical reactions that sustain life. IT CANT BE BROKEN OR YOU WOULDNT BE ALIVE
I wonder how this author figured out that her mother ate 2000 calories a day. I think there's a lot of guesstimating, usually biased in the direction of whatever point the guesser is trying to make. Like people who swear they ate 300 calories a day for 6 months and couldn't lose an ounce. o_O
Yes, but you're not a doctor.
And neither are you. Next.
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I'm 5'1 and lightly active. If I eat over 1500 calories, I put on weight. Guess my metabolism is broken.
I'm not a vet but I'm pretty sure if you feed a Chihuahua the same portions you feed a mastiff they would gain weight and it's not because their metabolism is broken.
"Damaged metabolism". Go tell your doctor you suspect you have one and watch what happens.
for active women
There's your problem. When I'm barely active my maintenance is 1500 (and 1430 at my LW). It's not a wild thought that a 5'0 105 lb woman that hates cardio has a TDEE of less than 1500.
The lowest basal metabolic rate measured in one of the studies backing the Mifflin St Jeor predictive formula was about 900. That singular person out of over 200 participants might expect to gain a small amount of weight slowly at 1500 Calories a day.
Those people don't have broken metabolisms. They have broken calorie counting skills.
it could be from years of under-eating
You mean I can maintain my weight by eating 1300 calories a day, but if I suddenly start eating 1500 calories then I will gain weight?
Wow! Where have I heard that idea before!? /s
I wish someone would offer up a James Randi-like prize for anyone that can prove over a long enough sample size that CICO and the laws of physics don't apply to them. Of course, they'd have to have someone with them at all times tracking every calorie they ate so it's probably not realistic, but wouldn't it be amazing...
I love how these people throw around calorie counts as if they actually counted.
She used to call her grandmother "the queen of NEAT?"
That's the weirdest part of this for me...
I find it amazing that these people know exactly the portion and weight of all the foods other people eat. I personally have never had such intimate knowledge of that, of anybody except myself.
Yeah, UNDER-EATING is the problem. Hahaaaaa!
I'm guessing her mum actually just ate lots of low calorie food and drank a lot of unsweetened drinks. It's not a mystery but something that can easily be explained through reasoning.
I'll keep saying it.
It's short people erasure. We are their inconvenient truth.
I'm 5'2 and active. I don't always count calories, but every time I've gone through a phase of tracking my intake, I've been eating around 2200-2400 calories a day. I maintain at just over 100lbs.
So "damaged metabolisms" joins the list of crazy, meaningless ideas along with "body shutting down" and "Its my genes" that people use to avoid reality.
Is anyone there a doctor?
I've worked with a lot of elderly people and I haven't met a normal weight 80 year old yet who eats 2000 calories. Part of advanced aging is a reduction in appetite (and a reduction in metabolism) and many elderly have trouble getting enough calories in. Even with a reduced need. They tend to eat toast and coffee for breakfast, a small sandwich for lunch, and a small balanced dinner. I have met a very occasional 70-80 year old with morbid obesity and even they don't eat as much as someone their size but 40 would eat. They actually tend to eat pretty reasonably.
Okay, like how? Concrete details please.
"Damaged/broken metabolism" is starting to sound pretty much exactly like "toxins" to me nowadays.
One of the ways to identify bs is that it's often very light on concrete details and very heavy on vague generalities. Like the difference between "toxins"(which toxins exactly and what's the biological mechanism by which your "toxin cleanse" or whatever is supposed to work?) and "heavy metal poisoning"; guess which one of these is bs.
So... did she really look like she'd had plastic surgery?
Has anyone happened to see those BodyBoss ads on Facebook lately? A lot of them will show videos of overweight women working out, and the comments are all of the "THANK YOU 🙏🏻🙏🏻for posting REAL women" variety.
The "real women" campaign started out focusing on the fact that even in real life, models don't like as good as they do in the magazines. "Real" women have flaws, photos of them had airbrushes in those days and now photoshop.
Somehow that got transformed into the only way to be "real" is to be fat and uninterested in more than the most basic self care. So Tess Holiday's modeling photos are real despite the copious photoshop, but Gweneth Paltrow isn't, even if you see her live.
Whatever. Who cares if she had plastic surgery? She’s still a “Real Woman”. She is still somehow maintaining her weight. Surgery doesn’t stop her from eating donuts daily.
Whether you wear lipstick. Dye your hair. Get Botox. Get a boob job. In the end it’s all the same. You want to feel or look different.
Maybe that's what beauty is to the guy that posted it. Beauty's in the eye of the beholder.
This is the kind of person, that when looking for a get well card for a friend in hospital, looks for one that implies that she had the same illness, only far worse.
Fat men probably have it bad, but they should be grateful that they don’t have it as bad as us.
For me it's fat that makes it really hard to figure out their age... when you're obese enough you could basically be anywhere from 16 to 40
You know what's NOT womanly? Giving in to every fleeting craving like a toddler, so your gut and thighs resemble the proportion of a 3 year old.
There is no shortage of actual children. Pedos like actual children. Not tiny adult women. And why the fuck would I even want to be appealing to a pedo? I’m supposed to be losing weight so I can appear more childlike? Why? Why would I want to appeal to men who are sexually aroused by children?
Furthermore, to believe her statement is also to believe that every man is a pedo. Or at least the overwhelming majority. Because most men, when they have a choice, and all else is equal, will choose a healthy weight (and fit) partner.
Stop being so damn salty, gurl.
They’re running out of oxygen in that bubble aren’t they?
I may be childlike in stature but I am a woman. A real woman. It's not my fault that I'm small at a healthy weight. I should not have to be fat and risk my health to be respected. The guys that date me aren't pedophiles. Just fuck off with the jealous nonsense.
This just in guys, not being attracted to overweight people is because we are trying to fuck little kids! How did I never realize this before? /s
The thing is that kids are fat today too, so even the paedos are out of luck.
yeah, an angular, stick-figure body with prominent cheek bones and sharp jaw line
looks SO much more like a child/baby
than a rounded, dough-y, pudgy body and a face that looks like a beach ball with eyes.
It's amazing what mental gymnastics people go through to convince themselves there is nothing to change.
Yeah, sure, thinness is about looking like a childMeanwhile, child obesity is through the fucking roof.
People who argue this get SERIOUSLY pissed off if you suggest something similar about disliking bearded men.
As someone who was fat at 15 and skinny at 19 I would like to tell you to stop generalising teen girl’s bodies because shit like this made me feel awful at 15 because I felt like girls had to be skinny at that age.
Now who’s fat shaming......
Lmao fuck your idea of thinness. I'm an actually healthy weight and have a ten inch difference between boobs-waist and waist-hips. Very, very clearly not a child.
Brb, breaking up with my tiny 30 year old girlfriend.
This sounds like the academic-ese that happens when someone finishes a new lecture and suddenly feels super smart and hoity-toity about using the language they just learned as much as possible.
Also, fuck this person. I'm not getting thin because of the patriarchy's pressure and bullshit. The smaller I am the faster I'll be able to run and to survive the zombie apocalypse, you just have to run faster than the next person.
I don’t feel that sort of feishisation leans to thin women however I can kind, KIND OF, of understand what they mean. While I lived in Korea some of the men I was around (not all of them) were SUPER into Asian girls just for their body. They would go on and on about how they looked younger, didn’t have big breast or hips like western women and were more submissive. Now we all have types, I get this. Chris Evans is mine. But I really can’t convey the weirdness that a few of these guys gave off. They were obsessed with how the girls looked ‘prepubescent’ by our standards. It really made me wonder if they had deep seated issues.
The solution is the same for either. Lose weight, problem solved.
Dear whoever wrote this,
Your feminist card is hereby cancelled. You see, we've realized that people like you are the reason feminists get a bad rap, and you're trying to hijack the idea of equality (gasp, I know, so radical!) with self-loathing, encouraging-of-infighting, man-threatened bullshit like this.
Do you follow or participate in movements like #AllLeprosyIsBeautiful or #GangrenePride? Do you support "MethIsAValidLifestyleChoiceAsLongAsYouDon'tLoseWeight"?
You make everyone else look bad, but especially yourself. Please go to Hell*.
ScarleyHarley, and basically most of humankind.
*"Hell" isn't defined as "Didn't eat ice cream today", btw.
Pedophiles do not get off on petite, young looking adults. Pedophiles get off on the horrific power they wield over innocent children. It has nothing to do with how children (or adults) look, it's about the power.
EDIT: Please be aware I just got messaged by a pedophile in response to this. Judging by his post history I'm pretty sure he's a troll though. It also appears as though he is shadow-banned here. Mods, please be aware.
also i accidentally put this edit on another post at first oops
This is the sort of shit that passes for leftism since the Soviet Union fell.
I think it would be more accurate to say that many women's perception is that public disgust about fat is targeted at women. A fat man is treated with equal disdain by society, some might argue even worse because he is not seen to have any other redeeming qualities as a member of the less valuable gender.
entirely different solutions
I hate to put words in her mouth but I suspect what she's implying here that fat men should lose weight while fat women should be accepted.
Childhood obesity is at an all time high...
After all this time of being criticised for believing only women can be the victim of fat phobia with no answer, this is the actual answer they finally come up with?
Men can't face weight discrimination because only men can be paedophiles. Interesting.
Initially I read this as "if you're a thin woman, you're a pedophile". Eh, makes about as much sense.
They act like what they say isn’t hurtful to thin women. I am so insecure and always feel like I’m not good enough for my boyfriend and don’t feel sexy because I’m flat as a board is every area and have to constantly be reminded of it.
Where are these thin kids? I am lighter than I was as a thin teenager, have my adult girlfriends been sex offenders as a result?
Ask them if this applies to lesbians. Their desire to play oppression olympics with both sides will make their heads explode: “Well, lesbians are oppressed, but fat people are oppressed, but lesbians are oppressed, but...”
This is funny because I think fat people looks like big babies/toddlers
Somewhere between a Crossfit advocate and a gold medal Olympian at beach volleyball fine then?
A pedophile is someone who is attracted to small children. They may or may not act on those desires; their actions they can withhold, but the desire is out of their control. I could argue that, if it were indeed true that men who like skinny women are pedophiles, then they can't help it, can they? I mean.... If they're such an open minded and compassionate person, one would hope they would be more about treating these pedophiles and getting the help they need, versus just saying "well you're a pedo so mahh"
It's a moot argument anyway because this person literally does not even know what a pedophile is. Being attracted to young women, skinny women, is not pedophilia.
Just to be technical if they want women to look like girls in their "mid teens" that wouldn't be pedophilia. Pedophilia is the attraction to prepubescent children. So ding dong you are wrong.
pedophilic pressure for women to present as girls in their mid-teens
As a term from psychology, ‘pedophilic’ means to prefer having sexual relations with pre-pubescent children, it can be of either gender. Preferring to have sexual relations with people in their mid-teens is called ephebophilic, and again, it can be of either gender.
The general public labeling attraction to people in their mid-teens as ‘pedophilia’ (a term from psychology, not law) is culturally defined, and exercised mostly in Western countries. Age of consent laws differ by location, which seem to inform public opinion.
I was born in Western Europe and have lived in the US for close to a decade. I now live in India. Here, 47% of girls are married by the age of 18, while 18% of girls are married by the age of 15. The guys who marry them are not labeled ‘pedophiles’, the families of the girls want it that way. (Not saying I approve, just to illustrate that it’s culturally defined.)
for women to present as girls in their mid-teens
The writer obviously meant ‘to look slim and healthy’, but calling it that would not have fit their agenda. And it’s disregarding the increasing number of people in their mid-teens who are not slim (one-third of teens in the US). There are obvious reasons why fashion ads show slim people modeling the clothes: the clothes look better on someone who is not box-shaped, and the models themselves are found to be more attractive. With healthy weight comes better skin, more pronounced curves (not in the form of fat rolls).
I guess what the person was trying to say was that most magazines are filled with very thin models. Many of whom are under a BMI of 17 or 16.5. Sometimes they're even underage. She wanted to say that this shouldn't be the standard beauty ideal. Not that this is something new for anyone who hasn't lived under a rock in the last 50 years.
I do agree to a part with that statement though. There is a special viciousness and bitter hatred with which women are attacked in tabloids if they gained a few pounds. Everyone knows the close ups of the "cellulite ridden" legs). I've never seen a close up of a man that was comparable.
And it's just normal to gain a bit of weight if you get older. Not over a BMI of 25, but most people won't be as skinny as they were at age 14.
But it's their fault for using words as "fatphobia", "misogynistic" and even "paedophilic" as that will make any further meaningful discussion impossible.
20% correct, as usual, Morty.
There are valid criticisms to make on our culture and its overvaluation of youth in women (e.g., the money-grubbing of the anti-aging skincare industry and how women look as we age, the pressure to have plastic surgeries, increasing requirements for hairlessness, expectations of demureness, silence, and submissiveness, etc.) but thinness isn't one of them.
there's some truth to this, imo. there is pressure to have a very slim, young look that isn't the usual continuing into adult fertility. obesity is a healthy problem but fertile adult women don't usually look like a skinny teenage boy.
I hate that assumption. Also hate "Real women have curves" and "Only a dog wants a bone." >.<
OH no, not STARVATION MODE!
Turns out drinking gin could make you put on someone else's pants.
It's possible to lose weight through alcohol, though the method of lost weight might cause some concern...
LOL, as a lover of gin, I WISH this were true.
Booze is a known belly-flattener. Yup. o_O
This only makes sense if getting drunk makes you want to go to the gym.
Actually, back in my heavy drinking days, I remember often waking up with a hangover, convincing myself that this was going to be the day I get my life in order, and then going to the gym for 3 days in a row before forgetting about all that. So, I guess, in a way.
I presume it means that drinking to excess means you puke up everything you've eaten, but that's hardly a healthy way to lose weight. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's a disorder doctors take very seriously.
Might just fatlogic myself into thinking this is true, I love gin. Then when it doesnt work for weight loss I'll like, blame GMOs or something
Maybe if you pass out before you have time to eat, develop malnutrition and some kind of absorption disorder? Though even then there's the all alcohol calorie visceral fat thing.
Satire? I hope satire of some sort...
It is true, keep drinking gin until you’re 100lbs overweight and ta-da your bmr is much higher!
I guess if all you're consuming is 1500 calories in gin, no food, yeah you could lose weight. You could also die of alcohol poisoning.
perhaps gordons or some other brand of gin sent whoever wrote that some free spirits and a bit of incentive money to up sales.
if i had to pick, i'd go with hendricks. but ill stick with irish whiskey for now.
Well, I’m allergic to gin, and it makes me vomit everywhere, so maybe? If I drank it after a large, calorie-dense meal? :D
Every time I drink Gin, even a single glass, I vomit. I don't even have to be drunk. Gin just induces vomiting in me. (Got alcohol poisoning from Gin as a teenager.) So it could very well be a successful weight loss strategy for me! Not that I'm about to give it a try....
If you replace a beer with one shot gin, maybe.
Alcohol slows your heart rate and digestive and respiratory systems, to the point of completely shutting off (i.e., death) if you drink too much. I don't know what these people think "your metabolism" is, but alcohol isn't going to speed it up.
I had gin for dinner last night, and ended the day in deficit, sooo....
Maybe they meant if you’re switching from drinking beer to drinking gin.
Common myth, the truth is that Liqour makes you feel like you've eaten less because it relaxes your stomach muscles. The downside is that it also slows down your digestion.
You can light gin on fire for shots, and things that burn melt fat. Checkmate atheists
Notice that it's not a photograph of an obese woman with amazing muscle definition?
Always a drawing.
As I mentioned on a thread earlier this week, I'm actually very worried about my SIL's (husband's sister) weight gain. After losing 70 pounds for her wedding last October, I'd estimate she's put on 80 or 90 pounds. To me that's alarming and worrisome. Still I won't mention her weight; as it's not my place. But I could see one of my husband's aunts (tact is not her strong suit) saying something.
It really is worrisome watching someone you care about gain that much weight in a year. It's not fat shaming, if I said something it would be because I'm terrified she's going to be dead in the next 5 years.
Conveniently none of the fat shows on her face
Those are some brawny man-arms on that woman. I feel like she’s one of those paintings where a woman’s secondary sex characteristics are drawn on a man’s body that’s rippling with muscle. :D
Does anyone recall the history of the term “fat shaming”? I researched it for a bit and it seems to have been coined some time in 2013.
I find it sad that some people are so stubborn that they can’t even admit a loved one might have a valid concern. That there is no difference between a loved one and some stranger approaching them with unsolicited advice.
"whatever you do this Christmas, don't you dare have the bare-faced audacity to care about my health and well-being!"
This has been an obese-person-who-wants-to-overeat-at-Christmas PSA.
This is part of the new idea that you are responsible for how other people respond to you.
Which is impossible & ridiculous. No one can possibly speak so carefully as to never illicit a bad response from anyone else.
But if I express concern and you feel shame - well, that is very telling, isn't it. It has everything to do with you, and what you know is true in your heart of hearts. Making me stop speaking will not change that truth.
And sometimes, stuff is hard to hear FOR A REASON. Maybe the harder it is to accept something, the more you need to hear it.
Except your family probably are concerned because, contrary to popular FA opinion, being fat is very bad for your health. Your family want you to be well, why is that such a tragedy? There are people out there who would kill for their family to give a shit about them.
Into the circular file it goes.
Stop shaming me for reusing random needles I find to shot up any random drug and trying to claim its for my health.
wut the fuck is going on with that dudes arms?
This is too real. My aunt does it all the time. A couple months ago I had to get fitted for a new clear retainer to wear during the day and my aunt made a comment like "haha at least you'll lose weight since you have to take it out to eat." I got upset, yeah, and admittedly she IS a terrible person in general. But instead of feeling victimised I saw it as even more motivation to get in shape, and I've been at the gym/counting calories every day so I can rub it in her face on Christmas.
She also gave me gym pants as a birthday gift with a little note saying "I know you'll make good use of these xoxo" lol. Fuck yeah bitch I will. They were too small for me before but yesterday they fit and I went running in them.
Weight loss isn't maintained by going back to old habits. Don't bother if you're looking at a diet as a short term commitment. Hopefully they'll figure it out.
Hope she has since found out what she did wrong
That's a really shitty attitude to have about anything. These folks sound like absolute peaches.
So I would've been better off had I not lost the weight
This always seems like a bit of a leap to me. Sure, it's possible that the person may have maintained their original weight, but it's also quite possible (and I would imagine probable) that the person would have gained weight without the diet - possibly ending up >20 lbs over their starting weight and worse off than they are.
That's because they need to recalculate their tdee, I need less calories now than I did 30lbs ago. If I went back to my old habits I would gain it all back too, that just makes sense.
The same thing happened to me. I lost 40 pounds, then lost 50, then lost 10 more to reach my goal, and I feel great about it. Oh, I guess that's not the same after all.
Or, perhaps she would now be 80 pounds heavier.
You tried your best and you failed. The lesson is: never try.
This is actually good advice though. You can't just go up to a relative you're not close to and suddenly get into a deep discussion about their eating and emotional issues. Better to reach out and be friendly first, with no mention of weight, and offer advice only if he asks.
Not everyone needs to feel personally responsible for everyone else's health. Clearly his bil has a problem, but I agree that it isn't his place to address it. His parents-in-law should be getting involved, if anything.
Yeah, I agree with Prudence here.
You don’t say, “I know I only see you twice a year, but for the two hours a year that I see you, its been bothering me that you’re fat. I stare at you and watch you eat during the party. I note everything you eat in detail, then report your exact food intake to my wife, and write to newspaper columnists about it. I also complain that you sit in a corner eating and not talking to others, but I spend the whole gathering staring at you and gawking at your plate, probably making you hide in that corner in the first place to avoid me.”
The man in question is an adult, and likely well aware that he’s obese and having problems in life. Stop tormenting him.
I actually kind of agree with the Prudence columnist. If you never talk to someone, you should probably start with “Hey, how are you?” and maybe not “You have a problem.”
Obviously, the asker has some concerns about their BIL’s mental and physical health. That’s understandable. But immediately starting a conversation with someone you don’t really talk to by asking about their deepest darkest mental trauma is probably not the way to go.
It is hard to watch someone destroy themselves with food, however if you are not close to that person then you have to question if you are the best person to deal with this. Bringing it up to someone who is closer might be a better bet as they may then bring up it with the person in question. This care obviously cares but that still doesn't make him the right person to deal with this.
I would say that the fatlogic here is Prudence's failure to recognize the seriousness of the situation. OP's brother in law is eating himself to death. Sure, there isn't much OP can do, but Prudence's response seemed to be more about shutting down a "hater" than figuring out how to best try to save a life.
This guy needs a family intervention. I had a relative we needed to reign back because his compulsive overeating was throwing off portion sizes for the whole group. And sometimes you can't just make more food or buy more food because compulsive overeaters are bottomless pits. The more you have the more they'll eat.
Somebody just tells him to be mindful of others and not to get seconds until everyone else has gotten firsts. It's not fat shaming and it's not that hard.
Yeah I agree with pru. Yal are saying the fatlogic is her not addressing the seriousness of BIL but it isn’t her business either. It sounds like the person asking the question just wants someone to validate that his BIL is killing himself with food.
No one else found the Quest Bar ad to be funny?
Life is so much easier when you give up on your loved-ones.
Wow, she's so helpful. I'm going to write to her about my problems!!!
“Dear Prudence: OP hates fat people but tries to hide it as hating fatlogic. How do I let him know that it’s obvious and counterproductive here?”
No fatlogic here. The letter writer isn’t in any position to be of much help in changing an independent adult’s habits, apart from the one little thing that was in their power to do: go over and talk to the poor fellow. I’d say the letter writer might be the first case of real “concern trolling” I’ve ever heard of.
If they wanted to make this about him eating more than his share and cutting into supplies the hosts intended to keep for later, that’s a legit etiquette issue (and unrelated to his weight).
Promoting health regardless of weight is like promoting safe driving regardless of alcohol consumption.
Well, then I'm a cunt.Guess my ex is right after all.
Actually I prefer to go by "sadistic psycho bitch," thank you very much.
I just can’t wrap my head around how they can figure your physical health isn’t effected by the physical state of your body. We aren’t some magical physics defying beings here.
And they are ok with the concept that being dangerously underweight can have negative consequences health wise. Just wtf?
I am what I eat
the name calling flourish is pure sjw concentrate
Oh, we're name-calling now? You sure you want to play this game, sweetie?
Haha. I’m a skinny cunt. And I love my new title.
"Promote health regardless of size but don't promote health improvement for fat people"
Call me a cunt all you want, but that won’t make you any healthier. All the names in the world won’t make me say that being overweight or obese is healthy.
Posts like this are odd to me because, like...do they really not think people who have healthy BMIs yet engage in unhealthy behaviors are never confronted about it by friends and family? The only reason they wouldn’t be confronted is if they manage to hide it for a time. These people seems to live in some bizarro world where alcoholics and smokers don’t get shit.
Also, yes, thin people who eat like shit are going to get flak from their family members, too. My adult brother is thin (he’s 5’11 and 145 lbs.), but his eating habits are...bizarre to say the least. My mom is always on him to eat more vegetables and fruit.
If this person has an issue with complete strangers getting on fat people about their weight, then, yeah, I agree that this is unacceptable and rude because they could he trying to lose weight, and you don’t know it. That said, the “health at any size” stuff that people like this try to promote is bullshit, and I think they know that deep down.
If anything, it’s a privilege to have family and friends that care about your health. My dad has an employee that used to be 400 lbs. However, he’s such a nice and charming guy that a lot of people like him. Because of this, his friend’s parents paid for him to have gastric bypass surgery. My dad says he’s starting to look a lot better now. I’m sure some FAs would be so delusional as to call such generosity “fat shaming,” though.
If being positive/encouraging to people who are doing something healthy like exercising regardless of size or trying to match their energy intake to their energy expenditure makes me a cunt then cunt it is.
Promote creationism regardless of DNA sequencing and fossil records!
Even obese athletes who spend a ton of time exercising and eat a relatively healthy diet e.g. sumo wrestlers still have significantly decreased life expectancy compared to average folks.
HAES is a comforting lie.
Actually, the reason I started reading this subreddit was because I was seeing more and more fat people (mostly women) try to force the rest of society to find them attractive, say they are healthy and of normal weight, and agree that fat is equal to curvy and sexy. So, when I say that someone is fat and should lose weight, it's not out of "concern-trolling" but as a defensive measure against them telling me that I am disgusting twig that no man would like and they are sexually desirable normal human beings.
I do promote health regardless of size. I’m just not going to tell a thin smoker about the risks revolving around obesity. I’m going to tell them the risks revolving around smoking. Which 90% of smokers know and acknowledge that by continuing to smoke they’re putting themselves at risk of cancer. They don’t sit around and bitch about studies and doctors being cigarettephobic.
People who debt-shame under the guise that they are looking out for your financial well being forget that your credit score and amount of debt you accumulate does not equate to financial health, and just because someone has a decent credit score and/or doesn't have much debt, doesn't mean they are better off than those who let all of their bills go to collections. Promote financial health regardless of debt, or admit that you're just a cunt.
Promote health regardless of size or admit you're just a cunt.
Gonna have to decline on both. Good thing these are not the only options in life.
The best thing i've learned this year is that some people you don't want or need to find common ground with. I'm a cunt because I don't agree with you? Oh well.
You are not a cuntYou have a cuntYou also have fingernailsYou are not fingernails
Not that I know of!
I'm a cunt. I know that being fat is unhealthy and I know that being thin is too; I've been both of those and can tell you how different being a healthy weight feels compared to that. I won't promote health regardless of size because I know that is a lie.
Cunt shaming? They’ll shame every body except themselves.
I prefer heinous bitch. My vagina has excellent Yelp reviews and I don't think it's right to bring him into this.
Hi, I'm lisztlazily and I am a cunt.
I’d love to see them say the same when it applies to underweight people. Because if they don’t, they’re a cunt too, by their own definition.
If you resort to name calling everything you just said is invalid. That's my rule in life.
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HAES is a catchphrase, it doesn't prove anything. It's just 4 words put together.
I'll agree with obviously obese
There’s nothing abnormal about having the bubonic plague in Europe in the 1300’s when more than half the population was infected.
While also technically true, that didn’t make buboes desirable.
Wasn’t HAES supposed to be the notion that you can take steps towards becoming healthier no matter where you were starting from??
“Stylishly obese” is the best.
I have no words for this, just a tired sigh.
Average is nothing to strive to be.
Reminds me of a sports bra I saw an ad for on Facebook. The sizing was as follows:
And so on.
Too afraid to say "large" or any synonym of "large." Gotta sugar coat it. Gurl, you ain't large, you luxe.
Sure, you may be "fabulously obese" or "stylishly obese" but the fact is, if you are over 100 pounds over your ideal weight range, you have morbid obesity. Dress it up how ever you like, but it's morbid obesity whether you like it or not.
"Health at every size" does not prove anything, either. There is literally no ounce of proof in the HAES movement. It's just people who are fat who want to feel better about it.
Healthy at Every Size is just a platitude.
The second definition of morbid is 100% accurate, but keep telling yourself that having far too much body fat has no effect on how you live or how your long term health is impacted.
Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
Quit trying to convince people this is Ok. It's not. You're going to hurt people, so knock it the fuck off.
"My friends say it's not unhealthy to be obese so that must be true"
This just pure denial of facts
Proves? You keep using that word...
Normal and average are not one in the same. The average American family has about 2.5 kids. It is certainly not normal to have 2.5 kids. That's actually a terrible thing to happen. The average American is overweight or obese. That is also a terrible thing to happen.
While so fat that you can’t walk without gasping, can barely wash yourself, and the only comfort in your life is food, that isn’t living, that’s existing. HAES is bullshit. You can be alive at 400lbs, but something tells me that’s all you are. Alive. In a fat prison. I’d wager I’d rather not be alive than live like that. Good thing for us is we have the tools necessary to change our lives. Often, we just need a push.
Be sure to let your family know to engrave the words "Fabulously Obese" on your extra large coffin then eh.
totally ignoring the second definition there....
Obesity hit a critical mass years ago, got normalized and is now starting to become an almost political banner. Like, it has a weird, tagged on meaning.
People will go to the ends of the earth to justify not doing the hard work it takes to be healthy. It’s just odd to see obesity pass the point of excuses and step firmly into the world of fat-celebrating.
HAES is, at best, a philosophy. One that attempts to explain a predetermined conclusion rather than working from evidence.
Check out this post on the history of HAES. It takes until the 4th paragraph before she begins discussing any science at all, before then it's about prejudice and social issues.
"Proves"... I don't think that word means what they think it means.
“There’s nothing abnormal about cancer since there are about 1.6 million new diagnoses in the US each year.”
I thought it meant that someone’s so fat they must have a death wish
morbid means death, so yeah.
She even included the more relevant definition in her screencap, and chose to ignore it...
You can't just slap a new word on your condition and make it fine.
I guess we’re choosing to ignore the second definition?
How vein are these people?! I Have some good muscle definition and have been better, but I wouldnt call myself sexy like they do.
Someone forgot to read definition number two
Morbid Obesity is a medical term for a specific medical condition, you don't have to like it but that does not change the fact it is a medical term for a real medical condition.
Was there anything "abnormal" about death in childbirth when one in three women died? The fact that lots of women (and men) are obese doesn't make it normal or healthy.
I just don't get the whole 14 is the average size thing? Sure, I see women out and about that are probably a 14 or larger, but most people I see seem to be around my size, so if we try to proportionate for heights etc, that's probably sizes 4-8. If most people I see are that size, then wouldn't that make 6 the average?
14-16, while overweight on a lot of people, isn’t usually obese. I’m fairly short and a size 14 (pants anyway) puts me at overweight. After that come obese, than morbidly obese.
So congrats, you’re still probably fatter than average?
HAES proves something? Doesn't the word prove usually go along with evidence? Where is this evidence that HAES proves something?
The black plague was also the norm in Europe at some point, and it didn't mean it was good
I assure you, nobody who uses medical terminology in their professional life gives a flying fuck about your little 'ah ha!' moment.
All these people keep citing that the average American woman is a size 14-16 when they themselves are probably like a size 24...
i said the word "proves" so no one can argue now. reblog kthx
Damn it. If the average American woman jumped off a bridge, would you jump too? Apparently yes.
Ah yes, I see they skipped the other definitions:
MEDICINE of the nature of or indicative of disease
of the nature of or indicative of disease
Many word definitions on google are plain wrong. In general, never trust google for accurate definitions of words.
I like how they've moved past debating healthy at every size and now it's a proven concept already
I may get flack for this, but why is average something one wants to be? The average person may be a size 14, the average person also doesn't get over 5000 steps in a day. I want to be above average. Not aspire to make average seem extraordinary through misuse of words.
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