How ironic that achieving one’s ideal weight would probably add at least three to five years to one’s life.
Self discipline and willpower are totally revered only in the West guys. East Asia where school is 5x harder and parents send their kids to cram schools after regular school? Yea they don't care about self discipline -_-
And there's the irony. Yes, it requires self - discipline but there is no hard work involved. You don't have to break a sweat if working out is not your thing. Gradually lower your portions, gradually phase out processed food and lose slowly and steadily. As for trading three to five years of your life to achieve the ideal weight, it's quite the opposite. Achieving a healthy weight affords you extra years of life.
All this crap was (and still is being) said to me by people who tried crash dieting in an effort to lose 15 kilos in a month, starved themselves, burnt themselves out and ended up binging and proclaiming diets don't work.
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So studies show that people are lazy and would trade years of old age for instant results?
So it's a perversion of the mind to trade five years of one's life to achieve a slender body, but trading fifteen years of one's life and twenty healthy years on top of that to keep a morbidly obese body is just fine?
I mean..yes, I would rather not shave off 20 or more years off of my life expectancy by being fat. I would rather grow old without excruciating pain and necrotic limbs. I would rather be mobile until the day I die.
Can I eat whatever I want for the rest of my life and stay at the ideal weight regardless? What a dream!!
I hate studies like this as they are worse than meaningless they are designed to intentionally distort.
This one for example. First, there is no Faustian bargain and the people answering the question know there is no Faustian bargain. So already people answering know its a meaningless question. Worse than that the closest way to make this question fit reality would not make a woman lose 3-5 years instead they would gain 3-5 years if not more. Finally, even if this was reality the question was real the author is making a value judgment that living longer is automatically the better option than being their ideal weight. For the majority of 21 BMI people, they will have not only a higher quality of life they will actually do more (outside of TV) then the majority of people with a 50 BMI.
The worst is one these types of studies (that mostly seem made up) are attrubited to 12 year old girls. Like 40 percent of 12 year old girls would rather go blind than fat. Same thing they know its a bullshit question.
What’s wrong with valuing self-discipline and willpower? Hard work is nice too but I agree that the US is too nuts about that.
Hedonism is clearly the superior paradigm 🤷🏼♀️
In the end, they probably are already giving up 3-5 years of quality life if they are overweight or obese.
yes because all fat people are lazy and lack self discipline and can’t help but gorge their fat faces all the time right? fuck off dude
Our society views thinness as a symbol of hard work, self-discipline and willpower
Well no shit, it takes all that to lose weight. No one wakes up and is accidentally thin, which I could understand this rant if that was the case.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. I mean besides a CPAP.
God forbid someone exhibit self control...
Eating an extra helping of fries has jack shit to do with being "wild and free"
Obesity places incredible physical limits on you that severely limit your ability to be "wild and free"
Really? Controlling your self is being framed as a negative trait?
Besides, I think it is less that they are preferentially attracted to fat/chubby girls, though I am sure some are, as that there are just so many more fat/chubby girls relative to lean and fit girls. Sometimes you just have to take what is available.
Less competition for the ones worth tying on, I suppose. I did wild and free when I was a teenage burnout. Now I'm going on thirty and looking for someone who can endure yard work and run with the kids and not complain when I park right here because there's several spots and I'm not circling the lot on the off-chance there's a slightly closer one.
So, a fit man who has control over himself is attracted to fat women because they are wild and out of control? Maybe it's just me, but as a fat person I would be ashamed to claim this as validation.
I wish more fat logicians were this forthcoming with their justifications and cut out all the empowerment and not caring about what society thinks bs. At the end of the day, they just want men to find them fuckable and get mad if they have a *gasp* different preference when it comes to body type.
So between A and B.. who has more wildness and freedom in their life? I genuinely wanna ask someone who agrees with this tweet this question.
I feel a lot more wild and free in my leaner, fitter body. 60 pounds ago, I was unable to keep up with my friends, walk long distances at theme parks, spar with fighters, or dance the night away. I do a lot crazier, fun activities now. Having a fat body is shackling. It literally weighs you down. Not very wild or free.
There's definitely a subset of men who go for the "out-of-control" chick. Or in less PC terms, the crazy girl. But...people with diagnosed manic or bi-polar mental health issues come in all sizes.
Also, what is "wild" about someone who is obese? What are they doing, besides eating without control? A 2-mile walk a few times a week (or even every day) isn't much exercise at all. The rest of the time, they're probably on their asses watching Netflix. Oh, wow. How wild.
Thrifty behaviour and decent savings denote a level of extreme control over oneself. It's no wonder that so many people are attracted to other people who are to their necks in debt, as they symbolize wildness and freedom in the truest sense.
I guess I’m “traditionally hot” now (tall, fit, broad shoulders, etc.) and thanks but no thanks, I’ll take the athletic women.
They only think that because they’ve never experienced what you can do with a lean, fit body.
Yeah no sorry I have a fit body and I don't have to exercise extreme control over myself by restricting my intake. I just have to enjoy my freedom in the outside world by hiking and biking and climbing and horsebackriding and all these other things that allow me to explore the wild.
...or wait, was that not what you meant by wild and free...?
Yeah, when I see a super-obese woman who can't get out of a chair unassisted, can barely walk 100m down the street without wheezing and needs three people to lift her upright from a kneeling position, I'm totally thinking how wild and free she is. God, they're delusional.
Idk how wild and free you can be when you're unable to walk a mile. Or run.
You say extreme control, I say actually being kind to their body.
Since when are traditionally hot men more attracted to far girls? My God they're just making shit up
A wild night is watching Americas Got Talent live instead of skipping commercials. I listen to what the obese coworkers say about their nights and weekends they are not living a wild and free life.
The inverse is absolutely true in that so many fat/chubby girls find fit/lean guys hot
Oh gosh can't wait to become a female analog.
All these traditionally hot men, so very attracted to wildness and freedom in a woman, they simply overlook the bed sores, diabetes and heart disease.
Less traditionally hot men (who they?!) must settle for finding their wildness and freedom with ridiculously hot fit chicks. Yes, this makes sense.
"Wildness" probably means "lazy" and "freedom" probably means "shameless." Make way, Nourishment and Triggered, you have new bedfellows in your FA dictionary.
Its fascinating how you can be so terribly wrong.
Maybe I’m an outlier, but my “wildness” has increased tenfold since becoming lean and fit, compared to 60 lbs heavier. I’ve had zero complaints. ;)
I’m a normal weight wild woman
So...complacent men want complacent women? Interesting strat.
This whole comment was like a big yesyesyesyesno haha I thought they were going to say that fit men are attracted to fit women...
Or, it's because men just find more women attractive than the reverse. And because they have lower standarts to sleep with someone than they have to be in a relationship with someone. Like, what is even your definition of "attracted to" in this case?
Also, having no stamina doesn't seem very wild nor free to me.
Yeah...."wildness and freedom in the truest sense..."
Are you serious? I would imagine the highest form of wild freedom would be an orgy with tons of MDMA and whippets but I suppose some people have very little imagination.
I mean fuck, how do people think that overeating constitutes being a wild rebel? My fiancé and I hiked a 14er yesterday. Thats being wild and free. Not being unable to stop eating pieces of cake.
Then why do fat girls constantly shame men for being insecure/asshole if they dont find your rolls attractive? What could possibly be the motivation to do that if men are already so attracted to fatness? You know what I never see? Skinny girls shitting on guys for not finding them attractive.
And they wonder why so many ‘traditionally hot’ men are gay these days.
Easier to be wild and free when you’re fit.
Freedom? If you are fat then food controls you, not the other way around.
That avatar is not a fat woman.
All this talk about wildness and freedom and now all I have is this stuck in my head.
Extreme self control sounds... awesome. Not sure how it could possibly be a bad thing.
This is hilarious
What is this blatant misinformation? I hope no one is out there thinking this person is speaking truths
I don’t think “so many” men are attracted to chubby and fat girls. I think that men want sex and something like 70% of women are obese in America. So you either take what you can get or you live without.
is this bitch trolling or what?
I have never seen a fit guy with a fat girlfriend.
At first I was like “oh, I see where this is going” and then it took a HARD LEFT.
Why on earth would I assume an overweight woman is gay?
Hold up. I’m an overweight woman. Was the complete lack of male interest im me due to them assuming I am gay, rather than the fact I hated leaving the house to socialise?
If I'm bisexual will my sexuality still make me fat or only slightly chubby? I need to know what kind of magical weight gain to expect.
Not really, unless you heard a fellow lady talking about "eating tacos" and you misunderstood.
Well, they do eat out a lot...
It's a real problem.
The comments section however makes me wonder how we've gotten this close to being a spacefaring civilization.
How does that work? Do bisexual people have a Shrodinger's Cat sort of thing? Are asexual people ghosts? What?
If that's the case, then I'm screwed.
Well, lesbians and straight men are on average fatter than straight women and gay men. This isn't really surprising when you're not trying to appeal to men, who are on average more visually focused than women, which means you've got one less reason to keep in shape. Just one more Factor in a Mass of factors that make it more likely for you to overeat.
I dont know why but switching the headline around in my head makes me laugh."Is being fat making you a lesbian?"
I know plenty of healthy weight lesbians in fact I even dated one
Oh, come on they're not even attempting to be serious at this point. Who tf thinks this?
All the lesbians I know are fitness models and don’t even processed carbs and sugar
Oh my gooood
Lol what I'm a lesbian and under 100 pounds this is hella stupid
Betteridge's law of headlines.
My doctor always says: Because you are carrying extra weight, it's not IF you get diabetes, it's WHEN.
Well, this is terrifying. I've only just come to terms with the fact that I'm not just "chubby." But to find out I have a 1240% higher risk than normal of TD2 is...a new kind of motivation, to say the least.
I've gone from a BMI of (24 M 6'3") 42 to 31.7 on my weight loss journey so far (29.9 can't get here soon enough). Three obesity classes make me feel even better about my progress.
My family has a historie of diabetes , so I always assumed I was at a higher risk pairing that with my lifelong obesity.
1240% is higher than I expected and I think my BMI at one point was 52. Thankfully in 25 months , I have dropped my BMI to 27 and hope to drop it below 25 in the next couple of months.
12x the likelihood of getting T2D? ouch.
This chart is oppressive. It doesn't even have my height. /s
I looked an my SIL's BMI isn't even on the chart. Her BMI is likely in and around 53. Thirty-six years old and I have no doubt she won't live to see 50 years of age.
Even sanity is not immune to the normalization of obesity. The pictures shown for the obesity range each one would, in reality, be Morbidly Obese (Class 3). Class 1 is easily a 40 BMI. The Class 2 picture looks to be a 55+ BMI and the Class 3 is 70 range.
I wonder why the risks are so much higher for women than men?
Just realized I'm in the Obese Class II range, literally a couple pounds from Class III. I've been trying and it's been hard. The only thing really keeping me going is the fact that I'll be extremely disappointed if I'm in this same place this time next year. Aside from the chart, getting food poisoning from the crap food I ate last night, causing me to miss an interview, is really putting things into perspective. I have to do better.
I will say that I'm a little confused at the silhouettes they use for the size of individuals. I'm at the top of obese class I but I look like the overweight person.
So...not to get too personal, but I have a family member whose entire immediate family is a raging dumpster fire of T2D. And my family member falls smack in the middle of this chart’s Overweight range. I’m going to use this chart to light a fire under their feet. Thank you so much for posting this.
Thanks to this sub, I started CICO tracking, and upped my exercise. And posts like this scare the crap out of me, so another few ounces lost!
I'm 6'1" and 190. It says I'm overweight...
I noticed my abs are gone but I didn't think I was that fat :/
I'm already offended for when my metabolism will invariably come to screeching halt and my weight will "naturally settle" on something like 200+ lbs.
Shit fam, that number for increased rates of T2D plus my own family history of it has just given me the kick in the pants to stop being so lazy about getting back to my GW. Even just at an overweight BMI, my chances are increased by a lot more than I'm comfortable with.
Is it mostley lower class in US that is obese are also middle and upper class
I was in Obese Class I. I refuse to get any bigger.
I remember I went to the doctor and had lost around 25lbs. my height mind you is 5'1 so that's a lot. my doctor showed me this chart and said "look you aren't are risk for diabetes anymore"
I had no idea I was even at risk before
my bmi is now 20
Huh. I never think about BMI as an indicator of risk, I think of it as "you should be in this range or it's bad." People tell me BMI is shit because it doesn't account for muscle or wide hips or whatever the fuck. But BMI isn't a diagnosis so much as it is a risk factor analysis. Whether by muscle or hips or ego, being above the healthy range just increases your risks of a whole boatload of stuff. It doesn't automatically give you T2D, it doesn't automatically do anything.
To say that BMI is bullshit is to say that it's bad at indicating risk. To say that it doesn't work for super tall or short or muscular people is to say it doesn't accurately advise those people of risks. I don't think that's what anyone means when they try to discount BMI. They just want to say that they're not as fat as science says so
But doesn't this not take into account muscle? Muscle is more dense, and therefore heavier than fat
Edit: Relax with the downvotes, it was just a question
These charts make no sense to me. I'm 6'2". I go to golds 8 times a week to lift and cardio and have the body shape of the first person on the chart and body fat of 15%. I'm 233 and apparently obese but I gave a 32 inch waste. If I were the suggested weight I'd be wearing skinny jeans and look like I couldn't lift a piece of paper.
1240% higher, holy fucking shit. My stomach dropped just reading that.
Too bad they'll come in last.
Okay ban me now.
The US Census decided to leave Middle Eastern and North American “race” out of the 2020 questionnaire but I’m sure they’ll add Fat as an option
Yes, because fat people have a history of being chased down the street and been beaten. Been accused and convicted of crimes simple cause their race.
Or been disowned by family, or had people protesting there life style...
nevermind that being overweight is the majority
Period or just random boob soreness?
Fart or poo?
Allergies or sick?
Hot flash or actually hot?
Etc.(also sorry for the tmi and grossness)
OP has apparently never been around kids who constantly all of a sudden have to pee when it comes time for chores, bed, bath, school, etc.
I do have a huge problem with boredom-peeing. Life's just more fun when you're peeing on something.
This would work great if people actually learned what real hunger feels like.
I’m sitting on the couch at home on reddit. That usually means I’m bored enough to get boredom hunger. I just ate dinner less than an hour ago.
No, this is not real hunger! This is first world problems hunger.
Is this clinical depression or just a vitamin D deficiency?
So.... does OP drink enough water? Or do they gulp one 20oz soda bottle and call it a day? Drinking water and waiting 10 minutes before deciding if I’m hungry has helped me lose a lot of weight. Surprisingly I thought I was drinking enough water but I wasn’t
Or imagine if this sort of logic were applied to morning wood...
This is where our moms and grandmas had it right. "Are you hungry for an apple? No? Then you're not hungry."
Isn't mindlessly eating every time you get the passing thought the opposite of intuitive eating?
But wait, what if you're bored and not hungry? Should I always assume I'm bored? I know if I don't eat ever I'll go into starvation mode and gain even more weight (and therefore become more fabulous) soooooooo
As a person who has trouble always feeling the sensation of needing to pee or poop and someone who doesn't feel hunger or thirst, I do do that, a lot. I get cravings and want food but only within the last couple years did I find out people feel hunger in their stomach, not mentally. I experienced it the first time taking high doses of prednisone. It was weird but also my doctor said it was more experiencing hunger pangs. I still don't know if I know what actual hunger feels like. But also, my sensory issues makes me think I have to pee when I don't and sometimes I don't feel it if I do. My IBS makes me think I have to poop when I don't. I just forget to drink, sometimes for days. I'm working on that one.
Also, I constantly question if my allergies are acting up or if I have another ear infection. Or if I am actually tired enough to need to nap during the day or if I'm just not moving enough. This is not an uncommon thing to do, at all.
Yeah, obeying my hunger cues would make me very fat. Ignoring them has made me feel dizzy and weak. I know this sub is exhausting for some people with all the love of calorie counting, but tracking calories diligently for a time helped me understand what my actual energy needs are.
The vast majority of people in the developed world never experience "hunger". Not real hunger. We experience cravings and dissatisfaction. We're so used to being able to eat whenever we want, that sometimes we just want to eat because it's "time" to, and when it's "time" to eat, you crave food because you're used to that pattern. Drinking water helps because it can trigger your stomach's function of making you feel "full", even though you weren't "empty" to begin with.
Do I have to pee or do I have an urinary infection?
Also if intuitive eating was a thing, I'm pretty sure my retriever would be able to stop eating when she's full. Instead, she will eat till she vomits, because she's a food dumb retriever.
I have this thing where as soon as I lay down in bed, my body decides to generate the urge to pee. It’s so annoying because I can’t just ignore it and sleep, so I have to get up and squeeze out a couple of drops of transparent pee before going back to bed.
On a bad night this will happen 2-3 times before I can sleep. I’ve been blood/urine tested and pronounced perfectly healthy, so I can only presume it’s a subconscious thing. Still annoying af.
Normal pregnancy itchiness or possibly cholestasis?
I can tell the difference between boredom and hunger. Boredom is when I want to eat without feeling hunger.
I have DEFINITELY just gone to "pee" at work just because I'm bored. Just sayin'.
From all your complaining, it sounds like you’re not in the right group. Maybe you should respectfully remove yourself if you’re constantly getting triggered by facts and evidence.
Ah, the cranky person in the professional development course -- you know the ones. They were either told to be there or wanted to get away from their regular duties and they only thing they are eager to learn is what is being served for the free lunch.
Well it is irresponsible to recommend calorie restriction for everyone regardless of their current health status. People with restrictive eating disorders, for example, should not be encouraged to continue restricting their calories. Claims that it will increase your longevity only vindicates their behavior. However, most anyone who is overweight or obese can benefit from calorie restriction, to a degree. No one should restrict their intake so far as to inhibit their ability to attain their micronutrients from their diet or to result in massive muscle loss. It’s almost like moderation is totally the key to living a longer, healthier life...
But if fat people aren't allowed to get pregnant, won't their fat genes die out?
If anyone thinks they can change a person by shaming them, they're wrong.
Shaming does in fact work. It's just rather unethical and mean spirited.
I have a confuse.
Are they accusing all preggo ladies of being fat, or are they saying that fat ladies who then get preggo should be ashamed of being fat?
But there are too many variables!
I sorta thought that calling pregnant people fat was meant in a tongue-in-cheek sorta way.
Had me then lost me. Pregnant fat people are at least adorable
Aside from the first sentence, I agree. Laughing at and calling out people for their lies and willful blindness to research on obesity and weight loss is one thing. Trying to "motivate" them by calling them names is another thing entirely.
And there's no excuse to put an unborn baby through the complications caused by obese pregnancy
Because someone should only better their life and health in a way that motivates this person. /s
The worst in fat people comes out on progress photos. I think all of us can say we've seen the shit they can say.
It might be the case that they want to get rid of loose skin through exercise, but this is still a nasty person.
"This I don't motivation"
Was this on progress photos? I know people were saying something similar to someone. It pisses me off because her results were still amazing.
Here’s another cool thing you can do that costs $0: don’t buy trash foods and drinks for yourself or your children.
Okay, sure: don't tell your kids to diet, don't put them on Atkins or Paleo, and don't go into food moralizing. They probably don't need any fancy diets.
But for fuck's sake, at least ingrain healthy habits & teach them how to love vegetables. Teach them that dessert is delicious, but to enjoy it in moderation, and that soda's not a regular treat. You don't have to call it a diet, but teaching your kids how to eat is Parenting 101.
I do agree that you shouldn't push your kids to be thinner in order to be "pretty", but some kids need to eat better because they're literally slowly killing themselves through their diet. Kinda reminds me of this PSA
I agree. You shouldn't push diet culture on to kids. You should teach them healthy eating habits so that they never need to diet.
Here's a cool thing you can do that costs $0. Lose all your excess weight, and it actually saves money.
$0 If you dont count all the food and eventual medical bills they will have to pay for
Compare this to dieting which even costs you less than $0 since you don't have to spend money on more food, soft drinks and shitty fast food.
It will cost taxpayer dollars down the line when we have a public health crisis...
I'm pretty sure it costs more when you let them eat as much as they like.
You know what’s also $0? Not teaching your kids about saving culture. Just spend whatever money you make right when you make it! Be happy now!
when did teaching children to have a healthy relationship with food and make good choices become diet culture?
Feeding your kids responsibly costs slightly less than feeding yourself responsibly. Spending $0 on your kids' diets will end up with you having no kids.
How does talking to your kids about anything cost anything anyway?
Why would you need to talk to your kids about dieting if you hadn't overfed them in the first place?
Pretty sure it's like an extra $100 a week in food if you stop caring about how much you eat and just go bananas with food consumption.
that's factually untrue, if you don't monitor the dietary requirements of the average child, they will eat too much, increasing your food shopping bills.
I mean, i have an argument with the idea of not teaching kids about diet and portion control, but before i could ever get to the meat of that argument, we have to both agree to use factual data, and not skew information to fit out own personal biases.
Doing what they want and feeding your kids garbage actually does cost you money.
Also means you have to spend more money on food for your fat ass children...
Does this idiot think you have to buy diet programs to diet? It costs $0 to teach them good eating habits.
Snacks and fast food arent Free tho
Probably ends up being pretty expensive with the dental bills with the kid just eating sugar all day.
I agree with this. You should ensure your child is healthy, but you shouldn't encourage them to diet.Thats so bad for mental development
Not setting your kid up for a lifetime of obesity, medical problems, and food addiction by teaching them healthy eating habits also costs $0
What even is diet culture? Teaching your kids that candy is for special occasions?
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