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Yeah because it is normal for 50-year-olds (hell they could be 30 with the way obesity ages people) to need to use store provided scooters to get to the pizza section and pick up their 8 Sams Choice Pizzas.
K cool don’t believe medical science. Enjoy your limited mobility, heart disease, and diabetes. I’ll keep losing weight in the meantime.
I wonder what they think would happen if someone dropped an elephant on you then. Or why all humans can't just pick up 500 pound cars and walk them around. Shockingly, there are limitations to what your body can support as far as weight.
caught up in using BMI, which was nothing more than a descriptive population chart
Plenty of studies use body fat percentage instead, for which the same argument cannot be made, and get the same results.
For that matter, those studies that use BMI are an example where BMI is literally being applied on a population level. Arguing that it's "nothing more than a descriptive population chart" doesn't make any sense when it's being used exactly for that.
Something I didn't know until I read it on this sub is that fat can be metabolically active. It doesn't just sit there, minding it's own business. Weight on its own is health threatening.
BMI is supposed to, I think, be an indicator like race or height but it’s not like everyone exactly 5’5.75” is getting diabetes. Sometimes correlation is a hint at causation for scientists to examine. They found the causation.
TDL: Science can be good or bad not just objective truth.
If I die peacefully in my sleep at 65, lean, independent, and still in my own home, then I’ll be on my knees thanking God the second I see him. 25 additional years of life mean nothing if you’re in constant pain, and dependent upon others for your basic care. No thanks.
First, that just seems like a gross way to describe your grandmother. Just call her fat.
Like many "medical facts," it's simply not true
$5 gets you $10 this person believes in starvation mode and set point, though. (Also, learn from my recent lapse in judgement: do not mention either of these outside this, the LI sub, and the other no-or-at-least-less-bullshit fitness or weight-related subs. People do not want to deal with the reality of weight and obesity.)
Obviously, the slim grandmother had other health issues not related to her weight.
I'm reminded of the tragic case of (slim) Richard Beckinsale, who died at a very sad age of 31......of a heart attack.
Turns out it was congenital.
BMI is a math formula. It's not a medical fact and unless you can prove the formula is incorrect how is it simply untrue?
Hell swap weight with smoking; if you have a relative who lived to 90 while smoking a pack a day, does that mean smoking has no health consequences?
I had one friend play Russian Roulette with one bullet in the chamber and he died first round. Another friend played with 5 bullets and survived 4 rounds. Lesson: use more bullets in Russian Roulette.
Pleasingly plump is pretty vague. My 20-lbs overweight (and VERY active) grandmother died peacefully in her own home at 94, after living completely independently up to that time. She was "pleasingly plump" and really huggable. 20 lbs is not 40 lbs is not 60 lbs... Most of the FAs are not "pleasingly plump." They are morbidly obese. BIG difference.
Risk factors, people. They don’t mean you’re gonna die, they mean your RISK is higher than that of someone who doesn’t have those risk factors.
Highly doubt the “plump” grandma was morbidly obese
This person needs to look those three words up in a dictionary.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Oh, I get it -- so obesity isn't actually a problem, because people sometimes die of other things, too?
Perhaps someone hasn't filled this person in: you can die at any time and at any age. "Dying in your sleep" is pretty vague, isn't it? A ruptured aneurysm, the house burning down, those things aren't exactly in your control.
Can I have you make a quick annotated bibliography about the horrible inadequacy of BMI? Just 20 sources should be ok. Make sure to evaluate the methods used to make sure the results are sound. I mean, you’ve already done all this research, so it should be pretty easy to put this all together.
Why do I have a feeling they made this story up?
My paternal grandmother died a lean woman at 52 in 1972 due to ovarian cancer. My maternal grandmother died at 83 in 2015. For the last 30 years of her life since her massive heart attack at 53 she took handfuls of pills, spent the last 5 months of her life in and out of hospital bleeding from her lower intestine and slipped into a coma at the end. Tell me which is the better outcome? Jebus crabs.
People love nothing more than an anecdote like this, snag being that even when true, they are very rare http://www.sciencecity.org.uk/stereotypes-that-contradict-health-advice-are-rare/
In a survey of 6000 Scottish men who were first studied in the 1970s and followed up for more than 25 years, they identified a group of 193 overweight, heavy smokers normally considered at high risk from a heart attack. Only half of these survived to the age of 70; around a quarter still died of a heart attack before that age.Among the ‘low risk’ group of 337 men who had never smoked and who were the correct weight, the mortality rate was very low. Only 12 people, or one in 25, died of heart disease before the age of 70
Slim grandma might have had other risk factors. My late FIL died of a stroke. He wasn’t obese or even overweight but he was a smoker for most of his life.
And I have a super slim 100 year old great-grandma. I can play the anecdotal evidence game too!
is anyone else disturbed by the description of their own grandmother as “pleasingly” plump
Yeah ok, but would your lean Gma have lived longer carrying an extra 40 lbs? Would your fat Gma have lived longer (or even just more comfortablely) if she was a healthy weight?
I feel attacked by the latte mention.
This was on the Physiqonomics Facebook page. If you need more sanity in your news feed go like his page.
This was me for sure. I would forget the chocolates I grab as I walk by the bowl, the sips of my husbands coke, the breadstick before salad... it all adds up. If I don’t eat very intentionally I make bad choices.
Wait, do the entire candy bar’s worth of snickers minis that I ate one by one out of the jar in the hallway of my building count now? I CALL BS.
Someone seems to know my former life.
This hits home hahaha. I didn't realize how much I was eating until I tracked all of my food.
I needed this reminder had a grande frappucino instead of my usual iced americano. This is why I need to record everything on MFP.
This was breathtakingly true.
1 scoop of protein? Is that like the cinnamon challenge? More like scoop of protein, banana, 25 strawberries and a cup of greek yogurt in a blender...
This was me on a vegan diet. I gained weight by not measuring a thing and going nuts with the lentils, black beans and delicious sauces. Crazy what happens when you start counting calories and measuring out the portion sizes.
I make my lattes at home with soy milk and no added flavorings or anything. 45 calories. So lattes aren't a guaranteed diet-killer if you're smart about it.
My dad's thing was half cookies don't count. He'd break cookies in half and end up eating a dozen half cookies (and leaving a dozen broken cookies).
Dunno if he still does it now that he's diabetic and on insulin, but probably.
Chicken and veggies in olive oil is me. I never count the oil. :(
One of my favorite shows: go find episodes of Secret Eaters on YouTube. This exact premise, and it's always rewarding
That’s not an unhealthy diet. That’s the diet of a normal human being. I don’t know if you guys are a bunch of spiteful anorexics or something, but I’m a size 2/4 and the panel on the right looks like a normal day to me.
The most liberating thing I've done was keep an accurate weighed food diary.
It gives me the freedom to eat exactly what I want, without any guilt or uncertainty, and to be honest with myself.
Every time someone serves me veggies doused in oil, I can't eat it because I get sick. Your body shouldnt be eating that much oil...
Is the whole milk really worth it for people? I usually get fat free and I’ve had whole milk and I don’t feel like I’m missing out.
I appreciate the sentiment. It's clever and typical.
Let's clear something up though: Eating fat does not make you fat.
Eating fat does not make you fat.
Another culprit here is genuinely eating 800 calories for a few days, getting pissed about no noticable weight loss, and reverting back to old habits.
Dieting isn't a thing you do for a while, it's a lifestyle.
In before all of the "not my feminism" comments.
In all seriousness though, feminism conferences should have seminars on health. Well, they do already, but none of them address the fact that weight is the most significant factor negatively influencing their health.
The most vocal feminist leaders should also be addressing health, and with it the obesity crisis.
None of this is happening, but the opposite is. There ARE people describing themselves as feminists who want obesity to be normalized or even celebrated, and apart from street-level supporters who deny the validity of things like this book title, no major voice in feminism is pointing out that obesity is probably the most disempowering thing facing women today.
It's a sad, sad fact that our culture values our egos over our health.
It's hard to defeat the misogynist patriarchy when some of your toes have been amputated.
Well, it should be a feminist issue, I'd assume that dealing with something so detrimental to women's health as obesity should completely fall within the realm of feminism.
I have actually read this book lol.
I used to be really interested in what caused some people to get fat and it went down some very odd roads.
A feminist issue alone? Thank god I am a male then.
I've read this book. It doesn't advocate being fat. It looks at why women are fat, for example how they feel out of control around food, how fat serves to protect them from things they're scared of, etc. It actually advocates for overcoming these feelings with therapy if need be, so that they can eat a controlled and healthy diet, become the healthy weight they want to and feel free from the emotional issues that caused many of them to overreat in the first place. I found it super useful in helping me decide to lose weight and I'm 20lbs down since I started. It was first released in the 70s when diet culture was different to what we see as healthy eating today and actually has some sensible advice. Don't judge a book by its cover, or even its title, in this case.
Yes, feminists have a higher likelihood of heart disease, cancer, and liver failure if they are fat.
It is. Women are judged much more harshly for being overweight, and the threshold for what is considered unacceptably heavy is a lot lower than it is for men. Fat is used as an insult directed at appearance, and women bear the brunt of appearance-related critique. If weight wasn't a gendered issue, then why would 85% of eating disorder sufferers be female? People who would literally rather die than risk societal rejection.
Although while fat used to be just a synonym for "you're ugly", most people are aware that flat out calling someone ugly is kinda unacceptable, so calling someone fat has evolved into concern trolling for someone's health....which still a judgment about their worth as a person.
It used to be "you're ugly", now it's "You're not at peak fertility and I believe you'd pass on your unhealthy habits to any children you do manage to conceive, before dropping dead prematurely in your 50s." But like, how does justify paying a fat person less? How does it justify excluding unattractive women from front-facing customer service jobs?
Yeah, mate selection is always going to be kind of shallow, but a big push of feminism is to start treating women like people and not just potential mates.
This isn't a fatlogic book. It's about psychological and social issues that cause some women to overeat.
Gotta give the author credit, she found her target audience and boy is it a good one
I actually agree that it's a feminist issue, really for both men and women given feminism effects both genders, but probably not for the same reasons the author does.
Great book. A classic in its day. Not a drop of fatlogic in it.
I heard somewhere that this book, towards the back, actually contains sensible weight loss advice, as being fat is bad for women, or something.
"... Yet he was the poster child of health." - no sane person ever.
Maybe, just mabe he was bright enough to figure out how much nutrition he needed for an immobilized body, though, and avoided getting fat on top of his severe conditions.
But I bet Stephen Hawking would've fucking loved to be able to do exercise. In fact I'm pretty sure he once said something about how you should exercise and appreciate your ability to do so because one day it may be taken from you like it was from him.
FAs say that chronic conditions and lack of exercise lead to irreversable weight gain, but Stephen Hawking lived to 76 without it happening.
I'm willing to bet Mr. Hawking had an entire schedule full of people responsible for moving his limbs for him, turning him, etc., because guess what? Bad things can happen to a body that doesn't move around.
This has to be a shitpost, no one is that stupid. Right?
This is so insensitive towards Stephen Hawking. It must have been terrible for him to be unable to exercise.
Ever notice that when 100 year olds are asked why they live so long, they always give different answers? Yeah, it's because some people live to be 100 in spite of poor health choices rather than as a result of them. In Stephen Hawking's situation, there was a bell curve for probabilities of how long he could live. Despite having a severe disability, he reached the upper end of that curve.
Your lifespan is determined by so many factors, one of them being luck. No, staying single and binging on Chocolate is not the secret to a long life. The example of Stephen Hawking does not mean you can not exercise at all and expect to live up to your maximum lifespan. The secret to a high probability of living a long life is to look at what medical professionals recommend and try your best to use those recommendations to constantly improve your health. It is possible to live to be 100 despite having poor health habits by sheer luck, but do you really want to leave that up to chance alone?
Yeah, there's a genetic factor here (people who trace their ancestry back to the Caucasus region supposedly have better genes for longevity, for example) but I think it might be foolish to think of 100 as the magic number. If you have it in you to live 90 happy and healthy years, why not aim for that? In Stephen Hawking's case, I'm sure he made health choices and compromises that allowed him to teach the upper end of his life expectancy bell curve. If anything, his example likely illustrates that good health choices can maximize your probability of living long even if you have substantial physical challenges or limitations.
Tl;dr- I have a feeling that if you were able to ask Stephen Hawking how he lived so long, he would not say avoiding exercise and even if he did, that answer wouldn't mean anything.
This reminds me, actually, yesterday in the post-race crowd, people-watching, I see this guy in a wheelchair who is like FIT (not just fit, but all caps FIT), and I point him out to mr. empiricism who goes, well, yeah, he's a Paralympian. (Turns out it was the guy who approached the club about making their annual race handicapped accessible this year and then tested the courses to make sure they were all right. Quite a few people took advantage of the new course, too.)
Obviously Hawking was even less mobile than this guy, but still, it makes you think about how much of your situation is actually luck and how much is actually choice. Apparently some people manage to do quite a bit even with some truly terrible luck. I feel like I should really be getting off my ass a bit more.
Stephen Hawking was a proponent of using diet and exercise to combat obesity
This is... so low.
That person should be ashamed of herself.
Stephen Hawkings is also a once in a generation mind. He is also pretty much recognized as living far and away longer than anyone else with ASL. So yeah sure live your life as maybe the biggest outlier to ever live.
Yeah and Stephen Hawking had such a comfortable life physically - exactly the kind of life everybody aspires to. You know, gradually using function in your limbs to the point where you can't even speak anymore. What a fun way of turning 76, in pain for about 40 or more years, slowly choking to death trapped in your own body! But at least he didn't have to exercise. God, he had it so easy!
But Stephen Hawking wasn't obese and he didn't have full mobility. What exercise was he supposed to do? Why was he supposed to do it?
He also weren't capable of eating 10 cheeseburgers in 5 minutes.
How ‘bout this, sweetie, when you can do the calculations that he did in his mind then you can sit your damn ass down. I’ll even allow you whatever computer you need, mkay.
Hmm. This gets me thinking about whether Hawking would have had physiotherapy sessions to aid his body, even if it wasn't beneficial in the way it would be for more able bodied people. Interesting. Still, this person is a boob regardless.
Didn't he have physical therapy, though?
I'm pretty sure this was a joke.
Throw back to the time Stephen Hawking was accused of being an ableist.
Stephen. Hawking. An ableist. Let that sink in.
Oh and one presumes he DID exercise before , say, the age of 21, when he was first struck down by his motor neurone disease.
I do notice how he was never fat though, despite being confined to a wheelchair for while over half a century. He was living proof of caloric maintenance.
Who looks in the mirror and sees a beef cake doing monster reps, then steps on a scale and considers going on a restrictive diet?
" Bulk until you don't like the way you look, then cut until you don't like the way you look, etc etc.
I want data. If a they claim a person can easily find themselves in the obese (not just overweight) category due to muscle, I want to see that it happens to a non-negligible portion of the population.
Wait, BMI never claimed to measure HEALTH. Fairly sure what we got here is a grade A, prime, fresh logical fallacy.
"BMI is an outdated metric, my body is indistinguishable from that of Dwayne The Rock Johnson" - person with triple chin, back rolls and pendulous stretchmarked belly that hangs down past their genitals
Aw man, I thought about posting that when I first read it a few months ago. Reader's Digest is a gold mine sometimes.
People bringing up bone density like that is a sure way to determine they're a complete mallard. It's bound to be fully copied from disreputable sources.
Let's check, trainer, by how much do you think bone density can vary? How much do you think a human skeleton weighs? Why does it not fit into the 40lbs range of healthy BMI?
The bulk of us aren't damn bodybuilders, so could they please stop with bodybuilders being mislabeled as "fat" meaning BMI is useless BS.
There is a 30lb difference between the highest normal weight and the lowest obese weight. Not too many people walking around with 30+lbs of muscles making them obese. "Bodybuilder " or not.
If you’re tall, it’s not that hard to hit an overweight BMI while being in good shape.
That said, you know if you’re an outlier or if you’re just trying to convince yourself.
Where do you find a non-fatlogicky personal trainer? Seriously... I've lost weight and now I really want to start lifting - with intention on doing heavy lifting in the future... But every time I approach someone it's like a weird dance, I take a session with someone, only to hear stuff like 'starvation mode' among many more and recommending I eat amount of calories that goes crazy above my maintenance (when I was just trying to lose weight)... then I have to pretend I'm do busy for a while only to appear with someone else in the gym few weeks later (doing my own stuff in the meantime). I'm kind of weary of hiring anyone because I simply worry and don't trust them - I myself dont know all the half-truths and simply wrong misinformation out there... How do I trust someone, who is guiding me towards lifting heavy shit when I can't trust they're not actually harming me...
I promise, most fitness professionals CAN tell the difference between a bodybuilder and a fat person.
TIL that one cannot be considered "Fat" unless they are large enough to qualify for Weight Loss Surgery.
I am triggered by people who bag on BMI. BMI ranges are a pretty decent and easy to calculate indicator for 98% of the population. Yes, if you are at the fringes then the differences are meaningless, and you don't suddenly become a fat slob at a BMI of 25.1 while being in shape at 25.0.
It's a sort of absurd insistence on missing the entire point, and if you are tending towards morbid obesity on the BMI scale it's not good for you no matter how much muscle you have (protip: Most of them don't) or how much your bones weigh (protip: about the same as everyone else's). If you are in the obese category it's probably a good sign you should make some changes. If you're in the overweight category, look in a mirror and decide if you give a shit or not, I doubt your doctor does in most cases.
Kermit's tongue lmfao!
I don’t get the Anne Frank bit
lol that is messed up.
Oooooh, if we can only find genetics and condishuns we'd have a bingo.
You don't even qualify for weight loss surgery
Damn right.Fucking plebs and tryhards.
The crowdsurfing fuck, tho!! Kermit is all: look ma! No hands!! Lmaoooooo i died. 🤣🤣😂😂
And also: 🍿
What the fuuuuuck. That's pretty much doxxing. She's proud of doxxing a three-time cancer survivor. Someone who could not even help having cancer. Being thin doesn't even cause cancer wtf??? While obesity is actually linked to 1 in 20 cancers according to cancer research uk. In fact three of the hardest to treat cancers, pancreatic, oesophageal and gallbladder cancers disproportionately affect obese individuals??? So what, this fat lady doesn't want to see a Victoria Secret model who currently has cancer? So she advocates for outright disability discrimination??? While she wants fat representation it's okay to shit on people who out of largely no fault of their own get cancer??? I AM SO MAD. There is so much wrong here.
telling a 3-time cancer survivor that you wouldn't want to see any thin models because they might get cancer like you did three times has to be one of the worst things i've ever seen from anything on this sub. the worst part is, some fa idiots will be praising her for "standing up against that skinny b*tch" (though she won't be standing for long)
What a fucking psychopath! This is r/insanepeoplefacebook material
This person is nuts. Being obese is a health issue, full stop. You don't want to use models with health issues that are readily visible because you want to show your wares in the best possible light. I don't want to see any open sores, track marks, or yellow jaundiced skin either.
If the person she outed hadn't shared their cancer survivor status online, I consider her actions little more than doxxing. If you don't want people to know about your weight issues online do not post pictures of yourself or talk about your weight. Remain pseudonymous to prevent people who know you in real life to prevent sharing your information. If you choose to share it online then expect it to become a topic of discussion.
This person is a monster!
Just no. I've never gotten mad reading a post on Reddit before this. Shame on her!
Congratulations! Your logical fallacy is:
The Circumstantial Ad Hominem!
The gall is shocking. Also, if people could cure their cancer by eating 2000 calories exactly a day, you can bet nearly all of them would somehow be able to do it.
This person is an actual piece of shit. A huge stinky sentient turd.
Your weight is a private health matter between you and your doctor until your doctor tells you to drop a few pounds. Then they are fatphobic know nothings!
How the fuck does she feel morally superior to a woman who literally survived cancer three times when her own issue is just overeating? This is utterly insane.
You know? I have grown up truly believing that you will inadvertently get fat when you're older (This phenomenon seems to be so prevalent in my culture that I truly considered it to be a fact of life). However, now that I know that this is complete and utter bullshit, I look forward to losing the rest of the weight, hitting my goal, and then being "mysteriously confounded" when I don't rapidly expand as I get older. "Oh, when you hit 40. Oh, when you hit 50. Oh, when you hit 60. Oh, when you hit 70. Oh, when you hit 80. Oh, when you hit 90. Oh, shit, I really thought it was going to happen before you hit 100. Maybe I was mistaken?"
Hey I recognize that name; she’s the one who rustled jimmies all over the world with her “what’s your excuse” ad.
I love this woman. This is who I aspire to be.
Just had a baby almost 3 weeks ago and am 4 lbs away from my pre pregnancy weight, so still relatively thin, and plan on losing all of it plus more by the time I go back to work! I’m only 24 so I’m sure people will tell me I only lost it so easily because I’m young lol, I think it’s just cause I put on the recommended amount of weight during pregnancy
I love her
I have a lot of respect for parents who carve out time to work out, especially when they have babies/toddlers and both parents work full time. I don't have kids but I see what my friends' lives are like and it just seems exhausting. I think Maria Kang really downplays how hard it is (after all, it's her job).
I think she is right on, but I always like to emphasize that time should never be a constraint in staying healthy. Being busy can make eating choices harder if you don't plan ahead, but if you do plan ahead, being busy can make work to your advantage. You end up having less time to stray from the plan.
Being "too busy" becomes even worse of an excuse once you realize that planning your diet and having efficient workouts ends up saving you time by giving you more energy, productivity, and longevity.
"THIS IS TOTALLY FAT SHAMING AND IT IS NOT OK"
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