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I guess short women have broken metabolisms

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COMMENTS

  • sarcasm_is_love
    126 points Dec 16,2017, 8:20am

    Metabolism is the category of chemical reactions that sustain life. IT CANT BE BROKEN OR YOU WOULDNT BE ALIVE

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  • smallfat_endeavor
    61 points Dec 16,2017, 7:51am

    I wonder how this author figured out that her mother ate 2000 calories a day. I think there's a lot of guesstimating, usually biased in the direction of whatever point the guesser is trying to make. Like people who swear they ate 300 calories a day for 6 months and couldn't lose an ounce. o_O

  • icarianshadow
    40 points Dec 16,2017, 8:18am

    Yes, but you're not a doctor.

    And neither are you. Next.

  • no_pizza_4_u
    49 points Dec 16,2017, 7:48am

    I'm 5'1 and lightly active. If I eat over 1500 calories, I put on weight. Guess my metabolism is broken.

  • cookiewisk
    19 points Dec 16,2017, 9:58am

    I'm not a vet but I'm pretty sure if you feed a Chihuahua the same portions you feed a mastiff they would gain weight and it's not because their metabolism is broken.

  • Strawberry_Smoothie
    17 points Dec 16,2017, 8:16am

    "Damaged metabolism". Go tell your doctor you suspect you have one and watch what happens.

  • soeri
    13 points Dec 16,2017, 11:04am

    for active women

    There's your problem. When I'm barely active my maintenance is 1500 (and 1430 at my LW). It's not a wild thought that a 5'0 105 lb woman that hates cardio has a TDEE of less than 1500.

  • SomethingIWontRegret
    10 points Dec 16,2017, 11:19am

    The lowest basal metabolic rate measured in one of the studies backing the Mifflin St Jeor predictive formula was about 900. That singular person out of over 200 participants might expect to gain a small amount of weight slowly at 1500 Calories a day.

    Those people don't have broken metabolisms. They have broken calorie counting skills.

  • CutestBoy
    7 points Dec 16,2017, 11:33am

    it could be from years of under-eating

    You mean I can maintain my weight by eating 1300 calories a day, but if I suddenly start eating 1500 calories then I will gain weight?

    Wow! Where have I heard that idea before!? /s

  • --__--__---__--___--
    7 points Dec 16,2017, 10:39am

    I wish someone would offer up a James Randi-like prize for anyone that can prove over a long enough sample size that CICO and the laws of physics don't apply to them. Of course, they'd have to have someone with them at all times tracking every calorie they ate so it's probably not realistic, but wouldn't it be amazing...

  • rekarek
    8 points Dec 16,2017, 11:16am

    I love how these people throw around calorie counts as if they actually counted.

  • ElaborateTaleofWoe
    8 points Dec 16,2017, 1:06pm

    She used to call her grandmother "the queen of NEAT?"

    That's the weirdest part of this for me...

  • spaghatta111
    7 points Dec 16,2017, 3:03pm

    I find it amazing that these people know exactly the portion and weight of all the foods other people eat. I personally have never had such intimate knowledge of that, of anybody except myself.

  • ScarletHarley
    4 points Dec 16,2017, 12:45pm

    snerk

    Yeah, UNDER-EATING is the problem. Hahaaaaa!

  • pajamakitten
    4 points Dec 16,2017, 2:01pm

    I'm guessing her mum actually just ate lots of low calorie food and drank a lot of unsweetened drinks. It's not a mystery but something that can easily be explained through reasoning.

  • Davies92
    4 points Dec 16,2017, 2:27pm

    I'll keep saying it.

    It's short people erasure. We are their inconvenient truth.

  • banoffiemango
    3 points Dec 16,2017, 12:09pm

    I'm 5'2 and active. I don't always count calories, but every time I've gone through a phase of tracking my intake, I've been eating around 2200-2400 calories a day. I maintain at just over 100lbs.

  • just_some_guy65
    2 points Dec 16,2017, 2:53pm

    So "damaged metabolisms" joins the list of crazy, meaningless ideas along with "body shutting down" and "Its my genes" that people use to avoid reality.

  • BamaMontana
    2 points Dec 16,2017, 3:22pm

    Is anyone there a doctor?

  • Levlove
    1 points Dec 16,2017, 6:20pm

    I've worked with a lot of elderly people and I haven't met a normal weight 80 year old yet who eats 2000 calories. Part of advanced aging is a reduction in appetite (and a reduction in metabolism) and many elderly have trouble getting enough calories in. Even with a reduced need. They tend to eat toast and coffee for breakfast, a small sandwich for lunch, and a small balanced dinner. I have met a very occasional 70-80 year old with morbid obesity and even they don't eat as much as someone their size but 40 would eat. They actually tend to eat pretty reasonably.

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  • sarcasm_is_love
    126 points Dec 16,2017, 8:20am

    Metabolism is the category of chemical reactions that sustain life. IT CANT BE BROKEN OR YOU WOULDNT BE ALIVE

    (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

  • smallfat_endeavor
    61 points Dec 16,2017, 7:51am

    I wonder how this author figured out that her mother ate 2000 calories a day. I think there's a lot of guesstimating, usually biased in the direction of whatever point the guesser is trying to make. Like people who swear they ate 300 calories a day for 6 months and couldn't lose an ounce. o_O

  • icarianshadow
    40 points Dec 16,2017, 8:18am

    Yes, but you're not a doctor.

    And neither are you. Next.

  • grautry
    31 points Dec 16,2017, 8:51am

    damaged metabolism

    Okay, like how? Concrete details please.

    "Damaged/broken metabolism" is starting to sound pretty much exactly like "toxins" to me nowadays.

    One of the ways to identify bs is that it's often very light on concrete details and very heavy on vague generalities. Like the difference between "toxins"(which toxins exactly and what's the biological mechanism by which your "toxin cleanse" or whatever is supposed to work?) and "heavy metal poisoning"; guess which one of these is bs.

  • no_pizza_4_u
    49 points Dec 16,2017, 7:48am

    I'm 5'1 and lightly active. If I eat over 1500 calories, I put on weight. Guess my metabolism is broken.

  • cookiewisk
    19 points Dec 16,2017, 9:58am

    I'm not a vet but I'm pretty sure if you feed a Chihuahua the same portions you feed a mastiff they would gain weight and it's not because their metabolism is broken.

  • Strawberry_Smoothie
    17 points Dec 16,2017, 8:16am

    "Damaged metabolism". Go tell your doctor you suspect you have one and watch what happens.

  • soeri
    13 points Dec 16,2017, 11:04am

    for active women

    There's your problem. When I'm barely active my maintenance is 1500 (and 1430 at my LW). It's not a wild thought that a 5'0 105 lb woman that hates cardio has a TDEE of less than 1500.

  • SomethingIWontRegret
    10 points Dec 16,2017, 11:19am

    The lowest basal metabolic rate measured in one of the studies backing the Mifflin St Jeor predictive formula was about 900. That singular person out of over 200 participants might expect to gain a small amount of weight slowly at 1500 Calories a day.

    Those people don't have broken metabolisms. They have broken calorie counting skills.

  • CutestBoy
    7 points Dec 16,2017, 11:33am

    it could be from years of under-eating

    You mean I can maintain my weight by eating 1300 calories a day, but if I suddenly start eating 1500 calories then I will gain weight?

    Wow! Where have I heard that idea before!? /s

  • --__--__---__--___--
    7 points Dec 16,2017, 10:39am

    I wish someone would offer up a James Randi-like prize for anyone that can prove over a long enough sample size that CICO and the laws of physics don't apply to them. Of course, they'd have to have someone with them at all times tracking every calorie they ate so it's probably not realistic, but wouldn't it be amazing...

  • rekarek
    8 points Dec 16,2017, 11:16am

    I love how these people throw around calorie counts as if they actually counted.

  • ElaborateTaleofWoe
    8 points Dec 16,2017, 1:06pm

    She used to call her grandmother "the queen of NEAT?"

    That's the weirdest part of this for me...

  • spaghatta111
    7 points Dec 16,2017, 3:03pm

    I find it amazing that these people know exactly the portion and weight of all the foods other people eat. I personally have never had such intimate knowledge of that, of anybody except myself.

  • ScarletHarley
    4 points Dec 16,2017, 12:45pm

    snerk

    Yeah, UNDER-EATING is the problem. Hahaaaaa!

  • pajamakitten
    4 points Dec 16,2017, 2:01pm

    I'm guessing her mum actually just ate lots of low calorie food and drank a lot of unsweetened drinks. It's not a mystery but something that can easily be explained through reasoning.

  • Davies92
    4 points Dec 16,2017, 2:27pm

    I'll keep saying it.

    It's short people erasure. We are their inconvenient truth.

  • banoffiemango
    3 points Dec 16,2017, 12:09pm

    I'm 5'2 and active. I don't always count calories, but every time I've gone through a phase of tracking my intake, I've been eating around 2200-2400 calories a day. I maintain at just over 100lbs.

  • just_some_guy65
    2 points Dec 16,2017, 2:53pm

    So "damaged metabolisms" joins the list of crazy, meaningless ideas along with "body shutting down" and "Its my genes" that people use to avoid reality.

  • BamaMontana
    2 points Dec 16,2017, 3:22pm

    Is anyone there a doctor?

  • Levlove
    1 points Dec 16,2017, 6:20pm

    I've worked with a lot of elderly people and I haven't met a normal weight 80 year old yet who eats 2000 calories. Part of advanced aging is a reduction in appetite (and a reduction in metabolism) and many elderly have trouble getting enough calories in. Even with a reduced need. They tend to eat toast and coffee for breakfast, a small sandwich for lunch, and a small balanced dinner. I have met a very occasional 70-80 year old with morbid obesity and even they don't eat as much as someone their size but 40 would eat. They actually tend to eat pretty reasonably.

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Found on a photo of a fit woman modeling workout gear. The jealously is palpable.

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COMMENTS

  • guacamoleo
    38 points Dec 16,2017, 3:49pm

    So... did she really look like she'd had plastic surgery?

  • spaghatta111
    17 points Dec 16,2017, 4:40pm

    Has anyone happened to see those BodyBoss ads on Facebook lately? A lot of them will show videos of overweight women working out, and the comments are all of the "THANK YOU 🙏🏻🙏🏻for posting REAL women" variety.

  • Flying00Fiddle
    16 points Dec 16,2017, 4:42pm

    The "real women" campaign started out focusing on the fact that even in real life, models don't like as good as they do in the magazines. "Real" women have flaws, photos of them had airbrushes in those days and now photoshop.

    Somehow that got transformed into the only way to be "real" is to be fat and uninterested in more than the most basic self care. So Tess Holiday's modeling photos are real despite the copious photoshop, but Gweneth Paltrow isn't, even if you see her live.

  • WWWdotCreedThoughts_
    1 points Dec 16,2017, 7:22pm

    Whatever. Who cares if she had plastic surgery? She’s still a “Real Woman”. She is still somehow maintaining her weight. Surgery doesn’t stop her from eating donuts daily.

    Whether you wear lipstick. Dye your hair. Get Botox. Get a boob job. In the end it’s all the same. You want to feel or look different.

COMMENTS

  • guacamoleo
    38 points Dec 16,2017, 3:49pm

    So... did she really look like she'd had plastic surgery?

  • spaghatta111
    17 points Dec 16,2017, 4:40pm

    Has anyone happened to see those BodyBoss ads on Facebook lately? A lot of them will show videos of overweight women working out, and the comments are all of the "THANK YOU 🙏🏻🙏🏻for posting REAL women" variety.

  • Flying00Fiddle
    16 points Dec 16,2017, 4:42pm

    The "real women" campaign started out focusing on the fact that even in real life, models don't like as good as they do in the magazines. "Real" women have flaws, photos of them had airbrushes in those days and now photoshop.

    Somehow that got transformed into the only way to be "real" is to be fat and uninterested in more than the most basic self care. So Tess Holiday's modeling photos are real despite the copious photoshop, but Gweneth Paltrow isn't, even if you see her live.

  • Julverne
    1 points Dec 16,2017, 6:55pm

    Maybe that's what beauty is to the guy that posted it. Beauty's in the eye of the beholder.

  • WWWdotCreedThoughts_
    1 points Dec 16,2017, 7:22pm

    Whatever. Who cares if she had plastic surgery? She’s still a “Real Woman”. She is still somehow maintaining her weight. Surgery doesn’t stop her from eating donuts daily.

    Whether you wear lipstick. Dye your hair. Get Botox. Get a boob job. In the end it’s all the same. You want to feel or look different.

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If you like thin women, you're a pedophile

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COMMENTS

  • BlackdogLao
    359 points Dec 16,2017, 6:22am

    This is the kind of person, that when looking for a get well card for a friend in hospital, looks for one that implies that she had the same illness, only far worse.

    Fat men probably have it bad, but they should be grateful that they don’t have it as bad as us.

  • chunkyCummies
    140 points Dec 16,2017, 6:39am

    For me it's fat that makes it really hard to figure out their age... when you're obese enough you could basically be anywhere from 16 to 40

  • bookhermit
    267 points Dec 16,2017, 7:03am

    You know what's NOT womanly? Giving in to every fleeting craving like a toddler, so your gut and thighs resemble the proportion of a 3 year old.

  • prettyradical
    80 points Dec 16,2017, 6:28am

    There is no shortage of actual children. Pedos like actual children. Not tiny adult women. And why the fuck would I even want to be appealing to a pedo? I’m supposed to be losing weight so I can appear more childlike? Why? Why would I want to appeal to men who are sexually aroused by children?

    Furthermore, to believe her statement is also to believe that every man is a pedo. Or at least the overwhelming majority. Because most men, when they have a choice, and all else is equal, will choose a healthy weight (and fit) partner.

    Stop being so damn salty, gurl.

  • skinnyhero
    51 points Dec 16,2017, 6:27am

    They’re running out of oxygen in that bubble aren’t they?

  • spooki404
    71 points Dec 16,2017, 7:40am

    I may be childlike in stature but I am a woman. A real woman. It's not my fault that I'm small at a healthy weight. I should not have to be fat and risk my health to be respected. The guys that date me aren't pedophiles. Just fuck off with the jealous nonsense.

  • bowenoutofstyle
    26 points Dec 16,2017, 8:50am

    This just in guys, not being attracted to overweight people is because we are trying to fuck little kids! How did I never realize this before? /s

  • Correctrix
    37 points Dec 16,2017, 9:16am

    The thing is that kids are fat today too, so even the paedos are out of luck.

  • feldup
    16 points Dec 16,2017, 12:11pm

    yeah, an angular, stick-figure body with prominent cheek bones and sharp jaw line

    looks SO much more like a child/baby

    than a rounded, dough-y, pudgy body and a face that looks like a beach ball with eyes.

  • Tbickle
    14 points Dec 16,2017, 8:21am

    It's amazing what mental gymnastics people go through to convince themselves there is nothing to change.

  • Yebi
    15 points Dec 16,2017, 10:10am

    Yeah, sure, thinness is about looking like a child
    Meanwhile, child obesity is through the fucking roof.

  • Lord_Punchings
    11 points Dec 16,2017, 11:03am

    People who argue this get SERIOUSLY pissed off if you suggest something similar about disliking bearded men.

  • slothygon
    20 points Dec 16,2017, 9:06am

    As someone who was fat at 15 and skinny at 19 I would like to tell you to stop generalising teen girl’s bodies because shit like this made me feel awful at 15 because I felt like girls had to be skinny at that age.

    Now who’s fat shaming......

  • Self-Aware
    10 points Dec 16,2017, 10:00am

    Lmao fuck your idea of thinness. I'm an actually healthy weight and have a ten inch difference between boobs-waist and waist-hips. Very, very clearly not a child.

  • Sod_Off_Shotgun
    19 points Dec 16,2017, 9:27am

    Brb, breaking up with my tiny 30 year old girlfriend.

  • narwhalsies
    9 points Dec 16,2017, 1:39pm

    This sounds like the academic-ese that happens when someone finishes a new lecture and suddenly feels super smart and hoity-toity about using the language they just learned as much as possible.

    Also, fuck this person. I'm not getting thin because of the patriarchy's pressure and bullshit. The smaller I am the faster I'll be able to run and to survive the zombie apocalypse, you just have to run faster than the next person.

  • goawaythx
    17 points Dec 16,2017, 10:52am

    I don’t feel that sort of feishisation leans to thin women however I can kind, KIND OF, of understand what they mean. While I lived in Korea some of the men I was around (not all of them) were SUPER into Asian girls just for their body. They would go on and on about how they looked younger, didn’t have big breast or hips like western women and were more submissive. Now we all have types, I get this. Chris Evans is mine. But I really can’t convey the weirdness that a few of these guys gave off. They were obsessed with how the girls looked ‘prepubescent’ by our standards. It really made me wonder if they had deep seated issues.

  • moldar
    7 points Dec 16,2017, 9:28am

    The solution is the same for either. Lose weight, problem solved.

  • ScarletHarley
    12 points Dec 16,2017, 10:57am

    Dear whoever wrote this,

    Your feminist card is hereby cancelled. You see, we've realized that people like you are the reason feminists get a bad rap, and you're trying to hijack the idea of equality (gasp, I know, so radical!) with self-loathing, encouraging-of-infighting, man-threatened bullshit like this.

    Do you follow or participate in movements like #AllLeprosyIsBeautiful or #GangrenePride? Do you support "MethIsAValidLifestyleChoiceAsLongAsYouDon'tLoseWeight"?

    You make everyone else look bad, but especially yourself. Please go to Hell*.

    Unsincerely,

    ScarleyHarley, and basically most of humankind.

    *"Hell" isn't defined as "Didn't eat ice cream today", btw.

  • CutestBoy
    12 points Dec 16,2017, 11:16am

    Pedophiles do not get off on petite, young looking adults. Pedophiles get off on the horrific power they wield over innocent children. It has nothing to do with how children (or adults) look, it's about the power.

    EDIT: Please be aware I just got messaged by a pedophile in response to this. Judging by his post history I'm pretty sure he's a troll though. It also appears as though he is shadow-banned here. Mods, please be aware.

    also i accidentally put this edit on another post at first oops

  • WorldxBurnsxToxDeath
    5 points Dec 16,2017, 12:17pm

    This is the sort of shit that passes for leftism since the Soviet Union fell.

  • comptejete
    12 points Dec 16,2017, 9:12am

    I think it would be more accurate to say that many women's perception is that public disgust about fat is targeted at women. A fat man is treated with equal disdain by society, some might argue even worse because he is not seen to have any other redeeming qualities as a member of the less valuable gender.

    entirely different solutions

    I hate to put words in her mouth but I suspect what she's implying here that fat men should lose weight while fat women should be accepted.

  • Professor_DANKledore
    6 points Dec 16,2017, 12:37pm

    Childhood obesity is at an all time high...

  • the0rthopaedicsurgeo
    9 points Dec 16,2017, 8:20am

    After all this time of being criticised for believing only women can be the victim of fat phobia with no answer, this is the actual answer they finally come up with?

    Men can't face weight discrimination because only men can be paedophiles. Interesting.

  • marle217
    5 points Dec 16,2017, 10:11am

    Initially I read this as "if you're a thin woman, you're a pedophile". Eh, makes about as much sense.

  • Bananababy75
    4 points Dec 16,2017, 5:01pm

    They act like what they say isn’t hurtful to thin women. I am so insecure and always feel like I’m not good enough for my boyfriend and don’t feel sexy because I’m flat as a board is every area and have to constantly be reminded of it.

  • just_some_guy65
    3 points Dec 16,2017, 12:40pm

    Where are these thin kids? I am lighter than I was as a thin teenager, have my adult girlfriends been sex offenders as a result?

  • lisztlazily
    3 points Dec 16,2017, 4:14pm

    Ask them if this applies to lesbians. Their desire to play oppression olympics with both sides will make their heads explode: “Well, lesbians are oppressed, but fat people are oppressed, but lesbians are oppressed, but...”

  • foryoursafety
    3 points Dec 16,2017, 4:30pm

    This is funny because I think fat people looks like big babies/toddlers

  • shameraider
    2 points Dec 16,2017, 12:47pm

    Somewhere between a Crossfit advocate and a gold medal Olympian at beach volleyball fine then?

  • spaghatta111
    2 points Dec 16,2017, 3:07pm

    A pedophile is someone who is attracted to small children. They may or may not act on those desires; their actions they can withhold, but the desire is out of their control. I could argue that, if it were indeed true that men who like skinny women are pedophiles, then they can't help it, can they? I mean.... If they're such an open minded and compassionate person, one would hope they would be more about treating these pedophiles and getting the help they need, versus just saying "well you're a pedo so mahh"

    It's a moot argument anyway because this person literally does not even know what a pedophile is. Being attracted to young women, skinny women, is not pedophilia.

  • butimapanda
    4 points Dec 16,2017, 9:32am

    Just to be technical if they want women to look like girls in their "mid teens" that wouldn't be pedophilia. Pedophilia is the attraction to prepubescent children. So ding dong you are wrong.

  • sumpuran
    3 points Dec 16,2017, 11:05am

    pedophilic pressure for women to present as girls in their mid-teens

    As a term from psychology, ‘pedophilic’ means to prefer having sexual relations with pre-pubescent children, it can be of either gender. Preferring to have sexual relations with people in their mid-teens is called ephebophilic, and again, it can be of either gender.

    The general public labeling attraction to people in their mid-teens as ‘pedophilia’ (a term from psychology, not law) is culturally defined, and exercised mostly in Western countries. Age of consent laws differ by location, which seem to inform public opinion.

    I was born in Western Europe and have lived in the US for close to a decade. I now live in India. Here, 47% of girls are married by the age of 18, while 18% of girls are married by the age of 15. The guys who marry them are not labeled ‘pedophiles’, the families of the girls want it that way. (Not saying I approve, just to illustrate that it’s culturally defined.)

    for women to present as girls in their mid-teens

    The writer obviously meant ‘to look slim and healthy’, but calling it that would not have fit their agenda. And it’s disregarding the increasing number of people in their mid-teens who are not slim (one-third of teens in the US). There are obvious reasons why fashion ads show slim people modeling the clothes: the clothes look better on someone who is not box-shaped, and the models themselves are found to be more attractive. With healthy weight comes better skin, more pronounced curves (not in the form of fat rolls).

  • Aedra-and-Daedra
    2 points Dec 16,2017, 1:30pm

    I guess what the person was trying to say was that most magazines are filled with very thin models. Many of whom are under a BMI of 17 or 16.5. Sometimes they're even underage. She wanted to say that this shouldn't be the standard beauty ideal. Not that this is something new for anyone who hasn't lived under a rock in the last 50 years.

    I do agree to a part with that statement though. There is a special viciousness and bitter hatred with which women are attacked in tabloids if they gained a few pounds. Everyone knows the close ups of the "cellulite ridden" legs). I've never seen a close up of a man that was comparable.

    And it's just normal to gain a bit of weight if you get older. Not over a BMI of 25, but most people won't be as skinny as they were at age 14.

    But it's their fault for using words as "fatphobia", "misogynistic" and even "paedophilic" as that will make any further meaningful discussion impossible.

  • hardy_and_free
    0 points Dec 16,2017, 5:06pm

    20% correct, as usual, Morty.

    There are valid criticisms to make on our culture and its overvaluation of youth in women (e.g., the money-grubbing of the anti-aging skincare industry and how women look as we age, the pressure to have plastic surgeries, increasing requirements for hairlessness, expectations of demureness, silence, and submissiveness, etc.) but thinness isn't one of them.

  • jtown8673877158
    -5 points Dec 16,2017, 5:08pm

    there's some truth to this, imo. there is pressure to have a very slim, young look that isn't the usual continuing into adult fertility. obesity is a healthy problem but fertile adult women don't usually look like a skinny teenage boy.

COMMENTS

  • BlackdogLao
    359 points Dec 16,2017, 6:22am

    This is the kind of person, that when looking for a get well card for a friend in hospital, looks for one that implies that she had the same illness, only far worse.

    Fat men probably have it bad, but they should be grateful that they don’t have it as bad as us.

  • chunkyCummies
    140 points Dec 16,2017, 6:39am

    For me it's fat that makes it really hard to figure out their age... when you're obese enough you could basically be anywhere from 16 to 40

  • bookhermit
    267 points Dec 16,2017, 7:03am

    You know what's NOT womanly? Giving in to every fleeting craving like a toddler, so your gut and thighs resemble the proportion of a 3 year old.

  • smallfat_endeavor
    172 points Dec 16,2017, 6:23am

    I hate that assumption. Also hate "Real women have curves" and "Only a dog wants a bone." >.<

  • prettyradical
    80 points Dec 16,2017, 6:28am

    There is no shortage of actual children. Pedos like actual children. Not tiny adult women. And why the fuck would I even want to be appealing to a pedo? I’m supposed to be losing weight so I can appear more childlike? Why? Why would I want to appeal to men who are sexually aroused by children?

    Furthermore, to believe her statement is also to believe that every man is a pedo. Or at least the overwhelming majority. Because most men, when they have a choice, and all else is equal, will choose a healthy weight (and fit) partner.

    Stop being so damn salty, gurl.

  • skinnyhero
    51 points Dec 16,2017, 6:27am

    They’re running out of oxygen in that bubble aren’t they?

  • spooki404
    71 points Dec 16,2017, 7:40am

    I may be childlike in stature but I am a woman. A real woman. It's not my fault that I'm small at a healthy weight. I should not have to be fat and risk my health to be respected. The guys that date me aren't pedophiles. Just fuck off with the jealous nonsense.

  • bowenoutofstyle
    26 points Dec 16,2017, 8:50am

    This just in guys, not being attracted to overweight people is because we are trying to fuck little kids! How did I never realize this before? /s

  • Correctrix
    37 points Dec 16,2017, 9:16am

    The thing is that kids are fat today too, so even the paedos are out of luck.

  • feldup
    16 points Dec 16,2017, 12:11pm

    yeah, an angular, stick-figure body with prominent cheek bones and sharp jaw line

    looks SO much more like a child/baby

    than a rounded, dough-y, pudgy body and a face that looks like a beach ball with eyes.

  • Tbickle
    14 points Dec 16,2017, 8:21am

    It's amazing what mental gymnastics people go through to convince themselves there is nothing to change.

  • Yebi
    15 points Dec 16,2017, 10:10am

    Yeah, sure, thinness is about looking like a child
    Meanwhile, child obesity is through the fucking roof.

  • Lord_Punchings
    11 points Dec 16,2017, 11:03am

    People who argue this get SERIOUSLY pissed off if you suggest something similar about disliking bearded men.

  • slothygon
    20 points Dec 16,2017, 9:06am

    As someone who was fat at 15 and skinny at 19 I would like to tell you to stop generalising teen girl’s bodies because shit like this made me feel awful at 15 because I felt like girls had to be skinny at that age.

    Now who’s fat shaming......

  • Self-Aware
    10 points Dec 16,2017, 10:00am

    Lmao fuck your idea of thinness. I'm an actually healthy weight and have a ten inch difference between boobs-waist and waist-hips. Very, very clearly not a child.

  • Sod_Off_Shotgun
    19 points Dec 16,2017, 9:27am

    Brb, breaking up with my tiny 30 year old girlfriend.

  • narwhalsies
    9 points Dec 16,2017, 1:39pm

    This sounds like the academic-ese that happens when someone finishes a new lecture and suddenly feels super smart and hoity-toity about using the language they just learned as much as possible.

    Also, fuck this person. I'm not getting thin because of the patriarchy's pressure and bullshit. The smaller I am the faster I'll be able to run and to survive the zombie apocalypse, you just have to run faster than the next person.

  • goawaythx
    17 points Dec 16,2017, 10:52am

    I don’t feel that sort of feishisation leans to thin women however I can kind, KIND OF, of understand what they mean. While I lived in Korea some of the men I was around (not all of them) were SUPER into Asian girls just for their body. They would go on and on about how they looked younger, didn’t have big breast or hips like western women and were more submissive. Now we all have types, I get this. Chris Evans is mine. But I really can’t convey the weirdness that a few of these guys gave off. They were obsessed with how the girls looked ‘prepubescent’ by our standards. It really made me wonder if they had deep seated issues.

  • moldar
    7 points Dec 16,2017, 9:28am

    The solution is the same for either. Lose weight, problem solved.

  • ScarletHarley
    12 points Dec 16,2017, 10:57am

    Dear whoever wrote this,

    Your feminist card is hereby cancelled. You see, we've realized that people like you are the reason feminists get a bad rap, and you're trying to hijack the idea of equality (gasp, I know, so radical!) with self-loathing, encouraging-of-infighting, man-threatened bullshit like this.

    Do you follow or participate in movements like #AllLeprosyIsBeautiful or #GangrenePride? Do you support "MethIsAValidLifestyleChoiceAsLongAsYouDon'tLoseWeight"?

    You make everyone else look bad, but especially yourself. Please go to Hell*.

    Unsincerely,

    ScarleyHarley, and basically most of humankind.

    *"Hell" isn't defined as "Didn't eat ice cream today", btw.

  • CutestBoy
    12 points Dec 16,2017, 11:16am

    Pedophiles do not get off on petite, young looking adults. Pedophiles get off on the horrific power they wield over innocent children. It has nothing to do with how children (or adults) look, it's about the power.

    EDIT: Please be aware I just got messaged by a pedophile in response to this. Judging by his post history I'm pretty sure he's a troll though. It also appears as though he is shadow-banned here. Mods, please be aware.

    also i accidentally put this edit on another post at first oops

  • WorldxBurnsxToxDeath
    5 points Dec 16,2017, 12:17pm

    This is the sort of shit that passes for leftism since the Soviet Union fell.

  • comptejete
    12 points Dec 16,2017, 9:12am

    I think it would be more accurate to say that many women's perception is that public disgust about fat is targeted at women. A fat man is treated with equal disdain by society, some might argue even worse because he is not seen to have any other redeeming qualities as a member of the less valuable gender.

    entirely different solutions

    I hate to put words in her mouth but I suspect what she's implying here that fat men should lose weight while fat women should be accepted.

  • Professor_DANKledore
    6 points Dec 16,2017, 12:37pm

    Childhood obesity is at an all time high...

  • the0rthopaedicsurgeo
    9 points Dec 16,2017, 8:20am

    After all this time of being criticised for believing only women can be the victim of fat phobia with no answer, this is the actual answer they finally come up with?

    Men can't face weight discrimination because only men can be paedophiles. Interesting.

  • marle217
    5 points Dec 16,2017, 10:11am

    Initially I read this as "if you're a thin woman, you're a pedophile". Eh, makes about as much sense.

  • Bananababy75
    4 points Dec 16,2017, 5:01pm

    They act like what they say isn’t hurtful to thin women. I am so insecure and always feel like I’m not good enough for my boyfriend and don’t feel sexy because I’m flat as a board is every area and have to constantly be reminded of it.

  • just_some_guy65
    3 points Dec 16,2017, 12:40pm

    Where are these thin kids? I am lighter than I was as a thin teenager, have my adult girlfriends been sex offenders as a result?

  • lisztlazily
    3 points Dec 16,2017, 4:14pm

    Ask them if this applies to lesbians. Their desire to play oppression olympics with both sides will make their heads explode: “Well, lesbians are oppressed, but fat people are oppressed, but lesbians are oppressed, but...”

  • foryoursafety
    3 points Dec 16,2017, 4:30pm

    This is funny because I think fat people looks like big babies/toddlers

  • shameraider
    2 points Dec 16,2017, 12:47pm

    Somewhere between a Crossfit advocate and a gold medal Olympian at beach volleyball fine then?

  • spaghatta111
    2 points Dec 16,2017, 3:07pm

    A pedophile is someone who is attracted to small children. They may or may not act on those desires; their actions they can withhold, but the desire is out of their control. I could argue that, if it were indeed true that men who like skinny women are pedophiles, then they can't help it, can they? I mean.... If they're such an open minded and compassionate person, one would hope they would be more about treating these pedophiles and getting the help they need, versus just saying "well you're a pedo so mahh"

    It's a moot argument anyway because this person literally does not even know what a pedophile is. Being attracted to young women, skinny women, is not pedophilia.

  • butimapanda
    4 points Dec 16,2017, 9:32am

    Just to be technical if they want women to look like girls in their "mid teens" that wouldn't be pedophilia. Pedophilia is the attraction to prepubescent children. So ding dong you are wrong.

  • sumpuran
    3 points Dec 16,2017, 11:05am

    pedophilic pressure for women to present as girls in their mid-teens

    As a term from psychology, ‘pedophilic’ means to prefer having sexual relations with pre-pubescent children, it can be of either gender. Preferring to have sexual relations with people in their mid-teens is called ephebophilic, and again, it can be of either gender.

    The general public labeling attraction to people in their mid-teens as ‘pedophilia’ (a term from psychology, not law) is culturally defined, and exercised mostly in Western countries. Age of consent laws differ by location, which seem to inform public opinion.

    I was born in Western Europe and have lived in the US for close to a decade. I now live in India. Here, 47% of girls are married by the age of 18, while 18% of girls are married by the age of 15. The guys who marry them are not labeled ‘pedophiles’, the families of the girls want it that way. (Not saying I approve, just to illustrate that it’s culturally defined.)

    for women to present as girls in their mid-teens

    The writer obviously meant ‘to look slim and healthy’, but calling it that would not have fit their agenda. And it’s disregarding the increasing number of people in their mid-teens who are not slim (one-third of teens in the US). There are obvious reasons why fashion ads show slim people modeling the clothes: the clothes look better on someone who is not box-shaped, and the models themselves are found to be more attractive. With healthy weight comes better skin, more pronounced curves (not in the form of fat rolls).

  • Aedra-and-Daedra
    2 points Dec 16,2017, 1:30pm

    I guess what the person was trying to say was that most magazines are filled with very thin models. Many of whom are under a BMI of 17 or 16.5. Sometimes they're even underage. She wanted to say that this shouldn't be the standard beauty ideal. Not that this is something new for anyone who hasn't lived under a rock in the last 50 years.

    I do agree to a part with that statement though. There is a special viciousness and bitter hatred with which women are attacked in tabloids if they gained a few pounds. Everyone knows the close ups of the "cellulite ridden" legs). I've never seen a close up of a man that was comparable.

    And it's just normal to gain a bit of weight if you get older. Not over a BMI of 25, but most people won't be as skinny as they were at age 14.

    But it's their fault for using words as "fatphobia", "misogynistic" and even "paedophilic" as that will make any further meaningful discussion impossible.

  • hardy_and_free
    0 points Dec 16,2017, 5:06pm

    20% correct, as usual, Morty.

    There are valid criticisms to make on our culture and its overvaluation of youth in women (e.g., the money-grubbing of the anti-aging skincare industry and how women look as we age, the pressure to have plastic surgeries, increasing requirements for hairlessness, expectations of demureness, silence, and submissiveness, etc.) but thinness isn't one of them.

  • jtown8673877158
    -5 points Dec 16,2017, 5:08pm

    there's some truth to this, imo. there is pressure to have a very slim, young look that isn't the usual continuing into adult fertility. obesity is a healthy problem but fertile adult women don't usually look like a skinny teenage boy.

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  • Blutarg
    1 points Dec 15,2017, 7:38pm

    OH no, not STARVATION MODE!

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  • Blutarg
    1 points Dec 15,2017, 7:38pm

    OH no, not STARVATION MODE!

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  • NeverEarnest
    100 points Dec 13,2017, 6:11am

    Turns out drinking gin could make you put on someone else's pants.

  • SerenaCypher
    28 points Dec 13,2017, 4:39am

    It's possible to lose weight through alcohol, though the method of lost weight might cause some concern...

  • helpwhatsmylogin
    22 points Dec 13,2017, 6:20am

    LOL, as a lover of gin, I WISH this were true.

  • smallfat_endeavor
    13 points Dec 13,2017, 5:43am

    Booze is a known belly-flattener. Yup. o_O

  • gotmesomeoats
    14 points Dec 13,2017, 9:09am

    This only makes sense if getting drunk makes you want to go to the gym.

    Actually, back in my heavy drinking days, I remember often waking up with a hangover, convincing myself that this was going to be the day I get my life in order, and then going to the gym for 3 days in a row before forgetting about all that. So, I guess, in a way.

  • dovercliff
    9 points Dec 13,2017, 6:05am

    I presume it means that drinking to excess means you puke up everything you've eaten, but that's hardly a healthy way to lose weight. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's a disorder doctors take very seriously.

  • CharlesWChuckBryant
    4 points Dec 13,2017, 8:58am

    Might just fatlogic myself into thinking this is true, I love gin. Then when it doesnt work for weight loss I'll like, blame GMOs or something

  • Iheartempiricism
    6 points Dec 13,2017, 7:39am

    Maybe if you pass out before you have time to eat, develop malnutrition and some kind of absorption disorder? Though even then there's the all alcohol calorie visceral fat thing.

  • slendernan
    5 points Dec 13,2017, 4:53am

    Satire? I hope satire of some sort...

  • QuasisLogic
    3 points Dec 13,2017, 7:43am

    It is true, keep drinking gin until you’re 100lbs overweight and ta-da your bmr is much higher!

  • drunkenknitter
    5 points Dec 13,2017, 10:43am

    I guess if all you're consuming is 1500 calories in gin, no food, yeah you could lose weight. You could also die of alcohol poisoning.

  • mattricide
    3 points Dec 13,2017, 7:16am

    perhaps gordons or some other brand of gin sent whoever wrote that some free spirits and a bit of incentive money to up sales.

    if i had to pick, i'd go with hendricks. but ill stick with irish whiskey for now.

  • IAMA_Skeleton_AMA
    2 points Dec 13,2017, 10:36am

    Well, I’m allergic to gin, and it makes me vomit everywhere, so maybe? If I drank it after a large, calorie-dense meal? :D

  • canadian_maplesyrup
    2 points Dec 13,2017, 11:41am

    Every time I drink Gin, even a single glass, I vomit. I don't even have to be drunk. Gin just induces vomiting in me. (Got alcohol poisoning from Gin as a teenager.) So it could very well be a successful weight loss strategy for me! Not that I'm about to give it a try....

  • RosenWeiss9
    2 points Dec 13,2017, 3:17pm

    If you replace a beer with one shot gin, maybe.

  • fermatagirl
    1 points Dec 13,2017, 11:00am

    Alcohol slows your heart rate and digestive and respiratory systems, to the point of completely shutting off (i.e., death) if you drink too much. I don't know what these people think "your metabolism" is, but alcohol isn't going to speed it up.

  • IDontLikeLollipops
    1 points Dec 13,2017, 11:24am

    I had gin for dinner last night, and ended the day in deficit, sooo....

  • dezualy
    1 points Dec 13,2017, 4:59pm

    Maybe they meant if you’re switching from drinking beer to drinking gin.

  • Tikaani91
    1 points Dec 13,2017, 5:01pm

    Common myth, the truth is that Liqour makes you feel like you've eaten less because it relaxes your stomach muscles. The downside is that it also slows down your digestion.

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  • NeverEarnest
    100 points Dec 13,2017, 6:11am

    Turns out drinking gin could make you put on someone else's pants.

  • SerenaCypher
    28 points Dec 13,2017, 4:39am

    It's possible to lose weight through alcohol, though the method of lost weight might cause some concern...

  • helpwhatsmylogin
    22 points Dec 13,2017, 6:20am

    LOL, as a lover of gin, I WISH this were true.

  • Lich_Jesus
    17 points Dec 13,2017, 9:19am

    You can light gin on fire for shots, and things that burn melt fat. Checkmate atheists

  • smallfat_endeavor
    13 points Dec 13,2017, 5:43am

    Booze is a known belly-flattener. Yup. o_O

  • gotmesomeoats
    14 points Dec 13,2017, 9:09am

    This only makes sense if getting drunk makes you want to go to the gym.

    Actually, back in my heavy drinking days, I remember often waking up with a hangover, convincing myself that this was going to be the day I get my life in order, and then going to the gym for 3 days in a row before forgetting about all that. So, I guess, in a way.

  • dovercliff
    9 points Dec 13,2017, 6:05am

    I presume it means that drinking to excess means you puke up everything you've eaten, but that's hardly a healthy way to lose weight. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's a disorder doctors take very seriously.

  • CharlesWChuckBryant
    4 points Dec 13,2017, 8:58am

    Might just fatlogic myself into thinking this is true, I love gin. Then when it doesnt work for weight loss I'll like, blame GMOs or something

  • Iheartempiricism
    6 points Dec 13,2017, 7:39am

    Maybe if you pass out before you have time to eat, develop malnutrition and some kind of absorption disorder? Though even then there's the all alcohol calorie visceral fat thing.

  • slendernan
    5 points Dec 13,2017, 4:53am

    Satire? I hope satire of some sort...

  • QuasisLogic
    3 points Dec 13,2017, 7:43am

    It is true, keep drinking gin until you’re 100lbs overweight and ta-da your bmr is much higher!

  • drunkenknitter
    5 points Dec 13,2017, 10:43am

    I guess if all you're consuming is 1500 calories in gin, no food, yeah you could lose weight. You could also die of alcohol poisoning.

  • mattricide
    3 points Dec 13,2017, 7:16am

    perhaps gordons or some other brand of gin sent whoever wrote that some free spirits and a bit of incentive money to up sales.

    if i had to pick, i'd go with hendricks. but ill stick with irish whiskey for now.

  • IAMA_Skeleton_AMA
    2 points Dec 13,2017, 10:36am

    Well, I’m allergic to gin, and it makes me vomit everywhere, so maybe? If I drank it after a large, calorie-dense meal? :D

  • canadian_maplesyrup
    2 points Dec 13,2017, 11:41am

    Every time I drink Gin, even a single glass, I vomit. I don't even have to be drunk. Gin just induces vomiting in me. (Got alcohol poisoning from Gin as a teenager.) So it could very well be a successful weight loss strategy for me! Not that I'm about to give it a try....

  • RosenWeiss9
    2 points Dec 13,2017, 3:17pm

    If you replace a beer with one shot gin, maybe.

  • fermatagirl
    1 points Dec 13,2017, 11:00am

    Alcohol slows your heart rate and digestive and respiratory systems, to the point of completely shutting off (i.e., death) if you drink too much. I don't know what these people think "your metabolism" is, but alcohol isn't going to speed it up.

  • IDontLikeLollipops
    1 points Dec 13,2017, 11:24am

    I had gin for dinner last night, and ended the day in deficit, sooo....

  • dezualy
    1 points Dec 13,2017, 4:59pm

    Maybe they meant if you’re switching from drinking beer to drinking gin.

  • Tikaani91
    1 points Dec 13,2017, 5:01pm

    Common myth, the truth is that Liqour makes you feel like you've eaten less because it relaxes your stomach muscles. The downside is that it also slows down your digestion.

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  • heili
    66 points Dec 13,2017, 10:34am

    Notice that it's not a photograph of an obese woman with amazing muscle definition?

    Always a drawing.

  • canadian_maplesyrup
    40 points Dec 13,2017, 11:09am

    As I mentioned on a thread earlier this week, I'm actually very worried about my SIL's (husband's sister) weight gain. After losing 70 pounds for her wedding last October, I'd estimate she's put on 80 or 90 pounds. To me that's alarming and worrisome. Still I won't mention her weight; as it's not my place. But I could see one of my husband's aunts (tact is not her strong suit) saying something.

    It really is worrisome watching someone you care about gain that much weight in a year. It's not fat shaming, if I said something it would be because I'm terrified she's going to be dead in the next 5 years.

  • hide_your_jokes
    28 points Dec 13,2017, 10:22am

    Conveniently none of the fat shows on her face

  • IAMA_Skeleton_AMA
    24 points Dec 13,2017, 10:31am

    Those are some brawny man-arms on that woman. I feel like she’s one of those paintings where a woman’s secondary sex characteristics are drawn on a man’s body that’s rippling with muscle. :D

  • WWWdotCreedThoughts_
    12 points Dec 13,2017, 10:48am

    Does anyone recall the history of the term “fat shaming”? I researched it for a bit and it seems to have been coined some time in 2013.

    I find it sad that some people are so stubborn that they can’t even admit a loved one might have a valid concern. That there is no difference between a loved one and some stranger approaching them with unsolicited advice.

  • BlackdogLao
    10 points Dec 13,2017, 11:35am

    "whatever you do this Christmas, don't you dare have the bare-faced audacity to care about my health and well-being!"

    This has been an obese-person-who-wants-to-overeat-at-Christmas PSA.

  • BreakfastIsKitKats
    7 points Dec 13,2017, 2:17pm

    This is part of the new idea that you are responsible for how other people respond to you.

    Which is impossible & ridiculous. No one can possibly speak so carefully as to never illicit a bad response from anyone else.

    But if I express concern and you feel shame - well, that is very telling, isn't it. It has everything to do with you, and what you know is true in your heart of hearts. Making me stop speaking will not change that truth.

    And sometimes, stuff is hard to hear FOR A REASON. Maybe the harder it is to accept something, the more you need to hear it.

  • pajamakitten
    3 points Dec 13,2017, 2:20pm

    Except your family probably are concerned because, contrary to popular FA opinion, being fat is very bad for your health. Your family want you to be well, why is that such a tragedy? There are people out there who would kill for their family to give a shit about them.

  • Blutarg
    2 points Dec 13,2017, 10:56am

    Into the circular file it goes.

  • criesinplanestrains
    1 points Dec 13,2017, 2:16pm

    Stop shaming me for reusing random needles I find to shot up any random drug and trying to claim its for my health.

  • Clitler_Youth
    1 points Dec 13,2017, 4:55pm

    wut the fuck is going on with that dudes arms?

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  • heili
    66 points Dec 13,2017, 10:34am

    Notice that it's not a photograph of an obese woman with amazing muscle definition?

    Always a drawing.

  • canadian_maplesyrup
    40 points Dec 13,2017, 11:09am

    As I mentioned on a thread earlier this week, I'm actually very worried about my SIL's (husband's sister) weight gain. After losing 70 pounds for her wedding last October, I'd estimate she's put on 80 or 90 pounds. To me that's alarming and worrisome. Still I won't mention her weight; as it's not my place. But I could see one of my husband's aunts (tact is not her strong suit) saying something.

    It really is worrisome watching someone you care about gain that much weight in a year. It's not fat shaming, if I said something it would be because I'm terrified she's going to be dead in the next 5 years.

  • hide_your_jokes
    28 points Dec 13,2017, 10:22am

    Conveniently none of the fat shows on her face

  • soulandthesea
    11 points Dec 13,2017, 1:56pm

    This is too real. My aunt does it all the time. A couple months ago I had to get fitted for a new clear retainer to wear during the day and my aunt made a comment like "haha at least you'll lose weight since you have to take it out to eat." I got upset, yeah, and admittedly she IS a terrible person in general. But instead of feeling victimised I saw it as even more motivation to get in shape, and I've been at the gym/counting calories every day so I can rub it in her face on Christmas.

    She also gave me gym pants as a birthday gift with a little note saying "I know you'll make good use of these xoxo" lol. Fuck yeah bitch I will. They were too small for me before but yesterday they fit and I went running in them.

  • IAMA_Skeleton_AMA
    24 points Dec 13,2017, 10:31am

    Those are some brawny man-arms on that woman. I feel like she’s one of those paintings where a woman’s secondary sex characteristics are drawn on a man’s body that’s rippling with muscle. :D

  • WWWdotCreedThoughts_
    12 points Dec 13,2017, 10:48am

    Does anyone recall the history of the term “fat shaming”? I researched it for a bit and it seems to have been coined some time in 2013.

    I find it sad that some people are so stubborn that they can’t even admit a loved one might have a valid concern. That there is no difference between a loved one and some stranger approaching them with unsolicited advice.

  • BlackdogLao
    10 points Dec 13,2017, 11:35am

    "whatever you do this Christmas, don't you dare have the bare-faced audacity to care about my health and well-being!"

    This has been an obese-person-who-wants-to-overeat-at-Christmas PSA.

  • BreakfastIsKitKats
    7 points Dec 13,2017, 2:17pm

    This is part of the new idea that you are responsible for how other people respond to you.

    Which is impossible & ridiculous. No one can possibly speak so carefully as to never illicit a bad response from anyone else.

    But if I express concern and you feel shame - well, that is very telling, isn't it. It has everything to do with you, and what you know is true in your heart of hearts. Making me stop speaking will not change that truth.

    And sometimes, stuff is hard to hear FOR A REASON. Maybe the harder it is to accept something, the more you need to hear it.

  • pajamakitten
    3 points Dec 13,2017, 2:20pm

    Except your family probably are concerned because, contrary to popular FA opinion, being fat is very bad for your health. Your family want you to be well, why is that such a tragedy? There are people out there who would kill for their family to give a shit about them.

  • Blutarg
    2 points Dec 13,2017, 10:56am

    Into the circular file it goes.

  • criesinplanestrains
    1 points Dec 13,2017, 2:16pm

    Stop shaming me for reusing random needles I find to shot up any random drug and trying to claim its for my health.

  • Clitler_Youth
    1 points Dec 13,2017, 4:55pm

    wut the fuck is going on with that dudes arms?

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  • spooki404
    25 points Dec 12,2017, 3:24pm

    Weight loss isn't maintained by going back to old habits. Don't bother if you're looking at a diet as a short term commitment. Hopefully they'll figure it out.

  • DontSayToned
    11 points Dec 12,2017, 3:20pm

    Hope she has since found out what she did wrong

  • not_fat_fuck_that
    5 points Dec 12,2017, 5:34pm

    That's a really shitty attitude to have about anything. These folks sound like absolute peaches.

  • altmehere
    1 points Dec 12,2017, 6:36pm

    So I would've been better off had I not lost the weight

    This always seems like a bit of a leap to me. Sure, it's possible that the person may have maintained their original weight, but it's also quite possible (and I would imagine probable) that the person would have gained weight without the diet - possibly ending up >20 lbs over their starting weight and worse off than they are.

  • Wickedawkward
    1 points Dec 12,2017, 7:15pm

    That's because they need to recalculate their tdee, I need less calories now than I did 30lbs ago. If I went back to my old habits I would gain it all back too, that just makes sense.

  • Blutarg
    1 points Dec 12,2017, 7:50pm

    The same thing happened to me. I lost 40 pounds, then lost 50, then lost 10 more to reach my goal, and I feel great about it. Oh, I guess that's not the same after all.

  • GetOffMyLawn_
    1 points Dec 12,2017, 7:56pm

    Or, perhaps she would now be 80 pounds heavier.

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  • spooki404
    25 points Dec 12,2017, 3:24pm

    Weight loss isn't maintained by going back to old habits. Don't bother if you're looking at a diet as a short term commitment. Hopefully they'll figure it out.

  • DontSayToned
    11 points Dec 12,2017, 3:20pm

    Hope she has since found out what she did wrong

  • not_fat_fuck_that
    5 points Dec 12,2017, 5:34pm

    That's a really shitty attitude to have about anything. These folks sound like absolute peaches.

  • scoutiesteph
    4 points Dec 12,2017, 5:32pm

    You tried your best and you failed. The lesson is: never try.

  • altmehere
    1 points Dec 12,2017, 6:36pm

    So I would've been better off had I not lost the weight

    This always seems like a bit of a leap to me. Sure, it's possible that the person may have maintained their original weight, but it's also quite possible (and I would imagine probable) that the person would have gained weight without the diet - possibly ending up >20 lbs over their starting weight and worse off than they are.

  • Wickedawkward
    1 points Dec 12,2017, 7:15pm

    That's because they need to recalculate their tdee, I need less calories now than I did 30lbs ago. If I went back to my old habits I would gain it all back too, that just makes sense.

  • Blutarg
    1 points Dec 12,2017, 7:50pm

    The same thing happened to me. I lost 40 pounds, then lost 50, then lost 10 more to reach my goal, and I feel great about it. Oh, I guess that's not the same after all.

  • GetOffMyLawn_
    1 points Dec 12,2017, 7:56pm

    Or, perhaps she would now be 80 pounds heavier.

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  • thelakenorth
    163 points Dec 11,2017, 10:47am

    This is actually good advice though. You can't just go up to a relative you're not close to and suddenly get into a deep discussion about their eating and emotional issues. Better to reach out and be friendly first, with no mention of weight, and offer advice only if he asks.

  • DoffyTrash
    48 points Dec 11,2017, 10:45am

    Not everyone needs to feel personally responsible for everyone else's health. Clearly his bil has a problem, but I agree that it isn't his place to address it. His parents-in-law should be getting involved, if anything.

  • Jules6146
    38 points Dec 11,2017, 11:12am

    Yeah, I agree with Prudence here.

    You don’t say, “I know I only see you twice a year, but for the two hours a year that I see you, its been bothering me that you’re fat. I stare at you and watch you eat during the party. I note everything you eat in detail, then report your exact food intake to my wife, and write to newspaper columnists about it. I also complain that you sit in a corner eating and not talking to others, but I spend the whole gathering staring at you and gawking at your plate, probably making you hide in that corner in the first place to avoid me.”

    The man in question is an adult, and likely well aware that he’s obese and having problems in life. Stop tormenting him.

  • piewife
    6 points Dec 11,2017, 2:58pm

    I actually kind of agree with the Prudence columnist. If you never talk to someone, you should probably start with “Hey, how are you?” and maybe not “You have a problem.”

    Obviously, the asker has some concerns about their BIL’s mental and physical health. That’s understandable. But immediately starting a conversation with someone you don’t really talk to by asking about their deepest darkest mental trauma is probably not the way to go.

  • pajamakitten
    6 points Dec 11,2017, 2:20pm

    It is hard to watch someone destroy themselves with food, however if you are not close to that person then you have to question if you are the best person to deal with this. Bringing it up to someone who is closer might be a better bet as they may then bring up it with the person in question. This care obviously cares but that still doesn't make him the right person to deal with this.

  • SomethingIWontRegret
    3 points Dec 11,2017, 3:12pm

    I would say that the fatlogic here is Prudence's failure to recognize the seriousness of the situation. OP's brother in law is eating himself to death. Sure, there isn't much OP can do, but Prudence's response seemed to be more about shutting down a "hater" than figuring out how to best try to save a life.

  • squirreliestgirl
    5 points Dec 11,2017, 5:42pm

    This guy needs a family intervention. I had a relative we needed to reign back because his compulsive overeating was throwing off portion sizes for the whole group. And sometimes you can't just make more food or buy more food because compulsive overeaters are bottomless pits. The more you have the more they'll eat.

    Somebody just tells him to be mindful of others and not to get seconds until everyone else has gotten firsts. It's not fat shaming and it's not that hard.

  • PsychoticGiggles
    3 points Dec 11,2017, 4:15pm

    Yeah I agree with pru. Yal are saying the fatlogic is her not addressing the seriousness of BIL but it isn’t her business either. It sounds like the person asking the question just wants someone to validate that his BIL is killing himself with food.

  • i3aby
    6 points Dec 11,2017, 1:06pm

    No one else found the Quest Bar ad to be funny?

  • Julverne
    2 points Dec 11,2017, 4:56pm

    Life is so much easier when you give up on your loved-ones.

  • Blutarg
    3 points Dec 11,2017, 11:05am

    Wow, she's so helpful. I'm going to write to her about my problems!!!

  • Rawscent
    -2 points Dec 11,2017, 10:36am

    “Dear Prudence: OP hates fat people but tries to hide it as hating fatlogic. How do I let him know that it’s obvious and counterproductive here?”

COMMENTS

  • thelakenorth
    163 points Dec 11,2017, 10:47am

    This is actually good advice though. You can't just go up to a relative you're not close to and suddenly get into a deep discussion about their eating and emotional issues. Better to reach out and be friendly first, with no mention of weight, and offer advice only if he asks.

  • DoffyTrash
    48 points Dec 11,2017, 10:45am

    Not everyone needs to feel personally responsible for everyone else's health. Clearly his bil has a problem, but I agree that it isn't his place to address it. His parents-in-law should be getting involved, if anything.

  • Jules6146
    38 points Dec 11,2017, 11:12am

    Yeah, I agree with Prudence here.

    You don’t say, “I know I only see you twice a year, but for the two hours a year that I see you, its been bothering me that you’re fat. I stare at you and watch you eat during the party. I note everything you eat in detail, then report your exact food intake to my wife, and write to newspaper columnists about it. I also complain that you sit in a corner eating and not talking to others, but I spend the whole gathering staring at you and gawking at your plate, probably making you hide in that corner in the first place to avoid me.”

    The man in question is an adult, and likely well aware that he’s obese and having problems in life. Stop tormenting him.

  • RookTakesE6
    33 points Dec 11,2017, 11:05am

    No fatlogic here. The letter writer isn’t in any position to be of much help in changing an independent adult’s habits, apart from the one little thing that was in their power to do: go over and talk to the poor fellow. I’d say the letter writer might be the first case of real “concern trolling” I’ve ever heard of.

    If they wanted to make this about him eating more than his share and cutting into supplies the hosts intended to keep for later, that’s a legit etiquette issue (and unrelated to his weight).

  • piewife
    6 points Dec 11,2017, 2:58pm

    I actually kind of agree with the Prudence columnist. If you never talk to someone, you should probably start with “Hey, how are you?” and maybe not “You have a problem.”

    Obviously, the asker has some concerns about their BIL’s mental and physical health. That’s understandable. But immediately starting a conversation with someone you don’t really talk to by asking about their deepest darkest mental trauma is probably not the way to go.

  • pajamakitten
    6 points Dec 11,2017, 2:20pm

    It is hard to watch someone destroy themselves with food, however if you are not close to that person then you have to question if you are the best person to deal with this. Bringing it up to someone who is closer might be a better bet as they may then bring up it with the person in question. This care obviously cares but that still doesn't make him the right person to deal with this.

  • SomethingIWontRegret
    3 points Dec 11,2017, 3:12pm

    I would say that the fatlogic here is Prudence's failure to recognize the seriousness of the situation. OP's brother in law is eating himself to death. Sure, there isn't much OP can do, but Prudence's response seemed to be more about shutting down a "hater" than figuring out how to best try to save a life.

  • squirreliestgirl
    5 points Dec 11,2017, 5:42pm

    This guy needs a family intervention. I had a relative we needed to reign back because his compulsive overeating was throwing off portion sizes for the whole group. And sometimes you can't just make more food or buy more food because compulsive overeaters are bottomless pits. The more you have the more they'll eat.

    Somebody just tells him to be mindful of others and not to get seconds until everyone else has gotten firsts. It's not fat shaming and it's not that hard.

  • PsychoticGiggles
    3 points Dec 11,2017, 4:15pm

    Yeah I agree with pru. Yal are saying the fatlogic is her not addressing the seriousness of BIL but it isn’t her business either. It sounds like the person asking the question just wants someone to validate that his BIL is killing himself with food.

  • i3aby
    6 points Dec 11,2017, 1:06pm

    No one else found the Quest Bar ad to be funny?

  • Julverne
    2 points Dec 11,2017, 4:56pm

    Life is so much easier when you give up on your loved-ones.

  • Blutarg
    3 points Dec 11,2017, 11:05am

    Wow, she's so helpful. I'm going to write to her about my problems!!!

  • Rawscent
    -2 points Dec 11,2017, 10:36am

    “Dear Prudence: OP hates fat people but tries to hide it as hating fatlogic. How do I let him know that it’s obvious and counterproductive here?”

● ● ●

are you a cunt????

fatlogic

COMMENTS

  • VitalMusician
    62 points Dec 09,2017, 8:46am

    Promoting health regardless of weight is like promoting safe driving regardless of alcohol consumption.

  • porthuronprincess
    40 points Dec 09,2017, 9:48am

    Well, then I'm a cunt.Guess my ex is right after all.

  • NickBlackheart
    30 points Dec 09,2017, 8:46am

    Actually I prefer to go by "sadistic psycho bitch," thank you very much.

  • misshirley
    22 points Dec 09,2017, 9:43am

    I just can’t wrap my head around how they can figure your physical health isn’t effected by the physical state of your body. We aren’t some magical physics defying beings here.

    And they are ok with the concept that being dangerously underweight can have negative consequences health wise. Just wtf?

  • PsychoticGiggles
    14 points Dec 09,2017, 9:58am

    I am what I eat

  • tarheelneil
    24 points Dec 09,2017, 8:22am

    the name calling flourish is pure sjw concentrate

  • sagitta_luminus
    11 points Dec 09,2017, 10:20am

    Oh, we're name-calling now? You sure you want to play this game, sweetie?

  • WWWdotCreedThoughts_
    9 points Dec 09,2017, 11:26am

    Haha. I’m a skinny cunt. And I love my new title.

  • DontSayToned
    5 points Dec 09,2017, 9:57am

    "Promote health regardless of size but don't promote health improvement for fat people"

  • Yelleka
    5 points Dec 09,2017, 10:34am

    Call me a cunt all you want, but that won’t make you any healthier. All the names in the world won’t make me say that being overweight or obese is healthy.

  • katie1994x
    5 points Dec 09,2017, 3:28pm

    Posts like this are odd to me because, like...do they really not think people who have healthy BMIs yet engage in unhealthy behaviors are never confronted about it by friends and family? The only reason they wouldn’t be confronted is if they manage to hide it for a time. These people seems to live in some bizarro world where alcoholics and smokers don’t get shit.

    Also, yes, thin people who eat like shit are going to get flak from their family members, too. My adult brother is thin (he’s 5’11 and 145 lbs.), but his eating habits are...bizarre to say the least. My mom is always on him to eat more vegetables and fruit.

    If this person has an issue with complete strangers getting on fat people about their weight, then, yeah, I agree that this is unacceptable and rude because they could he trying to lose weight, and you don’t know it. That said, the “health at any size” stuff that people like this try to promote is bullshit, and I think they know that deep down.

    If anything, it’s a privilege to have family and friends that care about your health. My dad has an employee that used to be 400 lbs. However, he’s such a nice and charming guy that a lot of people like him. Because of this, his friend’s parents paid for him to have gastric bypass surgery. My dad says he’s starting to look a lot better now. I’m sure some FAs would be so delusional as to call such generosity “fat shaming,” though.

  • feelslikeawesome
    3 points Dec 09,2017, 10:00am

    If being positive/encouraging to people who are doing something healthy like exercising regardless of size or trying to match their energy intake to their energy expenditure makes me a cunt then cunt it is.

  • sarcasm_is_love
    3 points Dec 09,2017, 10:33am

    Promote creationism regardless of DNA sequencing and fossil records!

    Even obese athletes who spend a ton of time exercising and eat a relatively healthy diet e.g. sumo wrestlers still have significantly decreased life expectancy compared to average folks.

    HAES is a comforting lie.

  • sandre97
    4 points Dec 09,2017, 3:08pm

    Actually, the reason I started reading this subreddit was because I was seeing more and more fat people (mostly women) try to force the rest of society to find them attractive, say they are healthy and of normal weight, and agree that fat is equal to curvy and sexy. So, when I say that someone is fat and should lose weight, it's not out of "concern-trolling" but as a defensive measure against them telling me that I am disgusting twig that no man would like and they are sexually desirable normal human beings.

  • Clarice_Ferguson
    4 points Dec 09,2017, 3:53pm

    I do promote health regardless of size. I’m just not going to tell a thin smoker about the risks revolving around obesity. I’m going to tell them the risks revolving around smoking. Which 90% of smokers know and acknowledge that by continuing to smoke they’re putting themselves at risk of cancer. They don’t sit around and bitch about studies and doctors being cigarettephobic.

  • spaghatta111
    3 points Dec 09,2017, 12:06pm

    People who debt-shame under the guise that they are looking out for your financial well being forget that your credit score and amount of debt you accumulate does not equate to financial health, and just because someone has a decent credit score and/or doesn't have much debt, doesn't mean they are better off than those who let all of their bills go to collections. Promote financial health regardless of debt, or admit that you're just a cunt.

  • bowlineonabight
    3 points Dec 09,2017, 12:08pm

    Promote health regardless of size or admit you're just a cunt.

    Gonna have to decline on both. Good thing these are not the only options in life.

  • venomous_g
    3 points Dec 09,2017, 12:15pm

    The best thing i've learned this year is that some people you don't want or need to find common ground with. I'm a cunt because I don't agree with you? Oh well.

  • large_thin
    3 points Dec 09,2017, 3:51pm

    You are not a cunt
    You have a cunt
    You also have fingernails
    You are not fingernails

  • Blutarg
    2 points Dec 09,2017, 11:16am

    Not that I know of!

  • pajamakitten
    2 points Dec 09,2017, 2:04pm

    I'm a cunt. I know that being fat is unhealthy and I know that being thin is too; I've been both of those and can tell you how different being a healthy weight feels compared to that. I won't promote health regardless of size because I know that is a lie.

  • Rawscent
    2 points Dec 09,2017, 2:59pm

    Cunt shaming? They’ll shame every body except themselves.

  • BoyRichie
    2 points Dec 09,2017, 5:55pm

    I prefer heinous bitch. My vagina has excellent Yelp reviews and I don't think it's right to bring him into this.

  • lisztlazily
    1 points Dec 09,2017, 3:29pm

    Hi, I'm lisztlazily and I am a cunt.

  • Hjklmnopi
    1 points Dec 09,2017, 11:18am

    I’d love to see them say the same when it applies to underweight people. Because if they don’t, they’re a cunt too, by their own definition.

COMMENTS

  • VitalMusician
    62 points Dec 09,2017, 8:46am

    Promoting health regardless of weight is like promoting safe driving regardless of alcohol consumption.

  • porthuronprincess
    40 points Dec 09,2017, 9:48am

    Well, then I'm a cunt.Guess my ex is right after all.

  • NickBlackheart
    30 points Dec 09,2017, 8:46am

    Actually I prefer to go by "sadistic psycho bitch," thank you very much.

  • cookiewisk
    22 points Dec 09,2017, 9:32am

    If you resort to name calling everything you just said is invalid. That's my rule in life.

  • misshirley
    22 points Dec 09,2017, 9:43am

    I just can’t wrap my head around how they can figure your physical health isn’t effected by the physical state of your body. We aren’t some magical physics defying beings here.

    And they are ok with the concept that being dangerously underweight can have negative consequences health wise. Just wtf?

  • PsychoticGiggles
    14 points Dec 09,2017, 9:58am

    I am what I eat

  • tarheelneil
    24 points Dec 09,2017, 8:22am

    the name calling flourish is pure sjw concentrate

  • sagitta_luminus
    11 points Dec 09,2017, 10:20am

    Oh, we're name-calling now? You sure you want to play this game, sweetie?

  • WWWdotCreedThoughts_
    9 points Dec 09,2017, 11:26am

    Haha. I’m a skinny cunt. And I love my new title.

  • DontSayToned
    5 points Dec 09,2017, 9:57am

    "Promote health regardless of size but don't promote health improvement for fat people"

  • Yelleka
    5 points Dec 09,2017, 10:34am

    Call me a cunt all you want, but that won’t make you any healthier. All the names in the world won’t make me say that being overweight or obese is healthy.

  • katie1994x
    5 points Dec 09,2017, 3:28pm

    Posts like this are odd to me because, like...do they really not think people who have healthy BMIs yet engage in unhealthy behaviors are never confronted about it by friends and family? The only reason they wouldn’t be confronted is if they manage to hide it for a time. These people seems to live in some bizarro world where alcoholics and smokers don’t get shit.

    Also, yes, thin people who eat like shit are going to get flak from their family members, too. My adult brother is thin (he’s 5’11 and 145 lbs.), but his eating habits are...bizarre to say the least. My mom is always on him to eat more vegetables and fruit.

    If this person has an issue with complete strangers getting on fat people about their weight, then, yeah, I agree that this is unacceptable and rude because they could he trying to lose weight, and you don’t know it. That said, the “health at any size” stuff that people like this try to promote is bullshit, and I think they know that deep down.

    If anything, it’s a privilege to have family and friends that care about your health. My dad has an employee that used to be 400 lbs. However, he’s such a nice and charming guy that a lot of people like him. Because of this, his friend’s parents paid for him to have gastric bypass surgery. My dad says he’s starting to look a lot better now. I’m sure some FAs would be so delusional as to call such generosity “fat shaming,” though.

  • feelslikeawesome
    3 points Dec 09,2017, 10:00am

    If being positive/encouraging to people who are doing something healthy like exercising regardless of size or trying to match their energy intake to their energy expenditure makes me a cunt then cunt it is.

  • sarcasm_is_love
    3 points Dec 09,2017, 10:33am

    Promote creationism regardless of DNA sequencing and fossil records!

    Even obese athletes who spend a ton of time exercising and eat a relatively healthy diet e.g. sumo wrestlers still have significantly decreased life expectancy compared to average folks.

    HAES is a comforting lie.

  • sandre97
    4 points Dec 09,2017, 3:08pm

    Actually, the reason I started reading this subreddit was because I was seeing more and more fat people (mostly women) try to force the rest of society to find them attractive, say they are healthy and of normal weight, and agree that fat is equal to curvy and sexy. So, when I say that someone is fat and should lose weight, it's not out of "concern-trolling" but as a defensive measure against them telling me that I am disgusting twig that no man would like and they are sexually desirable normal human beings.

  • Clarice_Ferguson
    4 points Dec 09,2017, 3:53pm

    I do promote health regardless of size. I’m just not going to tell a thin smoker about the risks revolving around obesity. I’m going to tell them the risks revolving around smoking. Which 90% of smokers know and acknowledge that by continuing to smoke they’re putting themselves at risk of cancer. They don’t sit around and bitch about studies and doctors being cigarettephobic.

  • spaghatta111
    3 points Dec 09,2017, 12:06pm

    People who debt-shame under the guise that they are looking out for your financial well being forget that your credit score and amount of debt you accumulate does not equate to financial health, and just because someone has a decent credit score and/or doesn't have much debt, doesn't mean they are better off than those who let all of their bills go to collections. Promote financial health regardless of debt, or admit that you're just a cunt.

  • bowlineonabight
    3 points Dec 09,2017, 12:08pm

    Promote health regardless of size or admit you're just a cunt.

    Gonna have to decline on both. Good thing these are not the only options in life.

  • venomous_g
    3 points Dec 09,2017, 12:15pm

    The best thing i've learned this year is that some people you don't want or need to find common ground with. I'm a cunt because I don't agree with you? Oh well.

  • large_thin
    3 points Dec 09,2017, 3:51pm

    You are not a cunt
    You have a cunt
    You also have fingernails
    You are not fingernails

  • Blutarg
    2 points Dec 09,2017, 11:16am

    Not that I know of!

  • pajamakitten
    2 points Dec 09,2017, 2:04pm

    I'm a cunt. I know that being fat is unhealthy and I know that being thin is too; I've been both of those and can tell you how different being a healthy weight feels compared to that. I won't promote health regardless of size because I know that is a lie.

  • Rawscent
    2 points Dec 09,2017, 2:59pm

    Cunt shaming? They’ll shame every body except themselves.

  • BoyRichie
    2 points Dec 09,2017, 5:55pm

    I prefer heinous bitch. My vagina has excellent Yelp reviews and I don't think it's right to bring him into this.

  • lisztlazily
    1 points Dec 09,2017, 3:29pm

    Hi, I'm lisztlazily and I am a cunt.

  • Hjklmnopi
    1 points Dec 09,2017, 11:18am

    I’d love to see them say the same when it applies to underweight people. Because if they don’t, they’re a cunt too, by their own definition.

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Morbidly Obese

fatlogic

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  • junepath
    355 points Dec 07,2017, 8:51pm

    HAES is a catchphrase, it doesn't prove anything. It's just 4 words put together.

  • Wickedawkward
    418 points Dec 07,2017, 8:14pm

    I'll agree with obviously obese

  • strawcat00
    276 points Dec 07,2017, 9:00pm

    There’s nothing abnormal about having the bubonic plague in Europe in the 1300’s when more than half the population was infected.

    While also technically true, that didn’t make buboes desirable.

  • skinnyhero
    116 points Dec 07,2017, 9:13pm

    Wasn’t HAES supposed to be the notion that you can take steps towards becoming healthier no matter where you were starting from??

  • AVDLatex
    62 points Dec 07,2017, 8:36pm

    “Stylishly obese” is the best.

  • desmercia
    46 points Dec 07,2017, 8:08pm

    I have no words for this, just a tired sigh.

  • JayNico
    39 points Dec 07,2017, 8:51pm

    Average is nothing to strive to be.

  • spaghatta111
    64 points Dec 07,2017, 10:04pm

    Reminds me of a sports bra I saw an ad for on Facebook. The sizing was as follows:

    Small

    Medium

    Luxe

    1luxe

    2luxe

    3luxe

    4luxe

    5luxe

    And so on.

    Too afraid to say "large" or any synonym of "large." Gotta sugar coat it. Gurl, you ain't large, you luxe.

    Sure, you may be "fabulously obese" or "stylishly obese" but the fact is, if you are over 100 pounds over your ideal weight range, you have morbid obesity. Dress it up how ever you like, but it's morbid obesity whether you like it or not.

    "Health at every size" does not prove anything, either. There is literally no ounce of proof in the HAES movement. It's just people who are fat who want to feel better about it.

  • PrimeMinisterOwl
    28 points Dec 07,2017, 9:33pm

    Healthy at Every Size is just a platitude.

    The second definition of morbid is 100% accurate, but keep telling yourself that having far too much body fat has no effect on how you live or how your long term health is impacted.

    Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.

    Quit trying to convince people this is Ok. It's not. You're going to hurt people, so knock it the fuck off.

  • Kitty-Cay
    23 points Dec 07,2017, 8:32pm

    "My friends say it's not unhealthy to be obese so that must be true"

  • bearybear90
    20 points Dec 07,2017, 8:30pm

    This just pure denial of facts

  • Krogdordaburninator
    17 points Dec 07,2017, 11:15pm

    Proves? You keep using that word...

  • IBangedYourDadTwice
    17 points Dec 08,2017, 2:39am

    Normal and average are not one in the same. The average American family has about 2.5 kids. It is certainly not normal to have 2.5 kids. That's actually a terrible thing to happen. The average American is overweight or obese. That is also a terrible thing to happen.

  • FaerieclesII
    13 points Dec 08,2017, 2:19am

    While so fat that you can’t walk without gasping, can barely wash yourself, and the only comfort in your life is food, that isn’t living, that’s existing. HAES is bullshit. You can be alive at 400lbs, but something tells me that’s all you are. Alive. In a fat prison. I’d wager I’d rather not be alive than live like that. Good thing for us is we have the tools necessary to change our lives. Often, we just need a push.

  • sarcasm_is_love
    28 points Dec 07,2017, 9:18pm

    Be sure to let your family know to engrave the words "Fabulously Obese" on your extra large coffin then eh.

  • Zombeedee
    9 points Dec 08,2017, 1:08am

    totally ignoring the second definition there....

  • overnighttest
    9 points Dec 08,2017, 5:00am

    Obesity hit a critical mass years ago, got normalized and is now starting to become an almost political banner. Like, it has a weird, tagged on meaning.

    People will go to the ends of the earth to justify not doing the hard work it takes to be healthy. It’s just odd to see obesity pass the point of excuses and step firmly into the world of fat-celebrating.

  • NeverEarnest
    5 points Dec 08,2017, 1:26am

    HAES is, at best, a philosophy. One that attempts to explain a predetermined conclusion rather than working from evidence.

    Check out this post on the history of HAES. It takes until the 4th paragraph before she begins discussing any science at all, before then it's about prejudice and social issues.

  • spookyruthy
    5 points Dec 08,2017, 3:09am

    "Proves"... I don't think that word means what they think it means.

  • kein-08-15
    5 points Dec 08,2017, 4:57am

    “There’s nothing abnormal about cancer since there are about 1.6 million new diagnoses in the US each year.”

  • Jimmythewise
    6 points Dec 08,2017, 5:10am

    I thought it meant that someone’s so fat they must have a death wish

  • sandre97
    11 points Dec 07,2017, 10:35pm

    morbid means death, so yeah.

  • FAFOGOSA
    4 points Dec 08,2017, 2:46am

    She even included the more relevant definition in her screencap, and chose to ignore it...

  • nattack
    4 points Dec 08,2017, 2:57am

    You can't just slap a new word on your condition and make it fine.

  • Gersh66
    5 points Dec 08,2017, 8:12am

    I guess we’re choosing to ignore the second definition?

  • TheRealGreenArrow
    3 points Dec 08,2017, 7:14am

    How vein are these people?! I Have some good muscle definition and have been better, but I wouldnt call myself sexy like they do.

  • Ziym
    3 points Dec 08,2017, 7:43am

    Someone forgot to read definition number two

  • AManCalledHorseFace
    3 points Dec 08,2017, 9:06am

    Morbid Obesity is a medical term for a specific medical condition, you don't have to like it but that does not change the fact it is a medical term for a real medical condition.

  • Efraimrocker
    3 points Dec 08,2017, 9:44am

    Was there anything "abnormal" about death in childbirth when one in three women died? The fact that lots of women (and men) are obese doesn't make it normal or healthy.

  • gracefulwing
    3 points Dec 08,2017, 9:54am

    I just don't get the whole 14 is the average size thing? Sure, I see women out and about that are probably a 14 or larger, but most people I see seem to be around my size, so if we try to proportionate for heights etc, that's probably sizes 4-8. If most people I see are that size, then wouldn't that make 6 the average?

  • Rackalackin
    3 points Dec 08,2017, 2:13am

    14-16, while overweight on a lot of people, isn’t usually obese. I’m fairly short and a size 14 (pants anyway) puts me at overweight. After that come obese, than morbidly obese.

    So congrats, you’re still probably fatter than average?

  • SilentMaster
    2 points Dec 08,2017, 7:32am

    HAES proves something? Doesn't the word prove usually go along with evidence? Where is this evidence that HAES proves something?

  • Rawbs
    2 points Dec 08,2017, 10:37am

    The black plague was also the norm in Europe at some point, and it didn't mean it was good

  • ShitlordSwiftie
    2 points Dec 08,2017, 12:25pm

    nods yeastily

  • Self-Aware
    2 points Dec 08,2017, 1:03pm

    I assure you, nobody who uses medical terminology in their professional life gives a flying fuck about your little 'ah ha!' moment.

  • pottymouthgrl
    1 points Dec 08,2017, 11:36am

    All these people keep citing that the average American woman is a size 14-16 when they themselves are probably like a size 24...

  • byscuit
    1 points Dec 08,2017, 11:51am

    i said the word "proves" so no one can argue now. reblog kthx

  • MoreOfaLurker
    1 points Dec 08,2017, 12:04pm

    Damn it. If the average American woman jumped off a bridge, would you jump too? Apparently yes.

  • fakemoose
    1 points Dec 08,2017, 12:15pm

    Ah yes, I see they skipped the other definitions:

    MEDICINE

    of the nature of or indicative of disease

  • cmn3y0
    1 points Dec 08,2017, 12:17pm

    Many word definitions on google are plain wrong. In general, never trust google for accurate definitions of words.

  • yash019
    1 points Dec 08,2017, 1:17pm

    I like how they've moved past debating healthy at every size and now it's a proven concept already

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  • junepath
    355 points Dec 07,2017, 8:51pm

    HAES is a catchphrase, it doesn't prove anything. It's just 4 words put together.

  • Wickedawkward
    418 points Dec 07,2017, 8:14pm

    I'll agree with obviously obese

  • molecularmachine
    154 points Dec 07,2017, 9:17pm

    I may get flack for this, but why is average something one wants to be? The average person may be a size 14, the average person also doesn't get over 5000 steps in a day. I want to be above average. Not aspire to make average seem extraordinary through misuse of words.

  • strawcat00
    276 points Dec 07,2017, 9:00pm

    There’s nothing abnormal about having the bubonic plague in Europe in the 1300’s when more than half the population was infected.

    While also technically true, that didn’t make buboes desirable.

  • skinnyhero
    116 points Dec 07,2017, 9:13pm

    Wasn’t HAES supposed to be the notion that you can take steps towards becoming healthier no matter where you were starting from??

  • AVDLatex
    62 points Dec 07,2017, 8:36pm

    “Stylishly obese” is the best.

  • desmercia
    46 points Dec 07,2017, 8:08pm

    I have no words for this, just a tired sigh.

  • JayNico
    39 points Dec 07,2017, 8:51pm

    Average is nothing to strive to be.

  • spaghatta111
    64 points Dec 07,2017, 10:04pm

    Reminds me of a sports bra I saw an ad for on Facebook. The sizing was as follows:

    Small

    Medium

    Luxe

    1luxe

    2luxe

    3luxe

    4luxe

    5luxe

    And so on.

    Too afraid to say "large" or any synonym of "large." Gotta sugar coat it. Gurl, you ain't large, you luxe.

    Sure, you may be "fabulously obese" or "stylishly obese" but the fact is, if you are over 100 pounds over your ideal weight range, you have morbid obesity. Dress it up how ever you like, but it's morbid obesity whether you like it or not.

    "Health at every size" does not prove anything, either. There is literally no ounce of proof in the HAES movement. It's just people who are fat who want to feel better about it.

  • PrimeMinisterOwl
    28 points Dec 07,2017, 9:33pm

    Healthy at Every Size is just a platitude.

    The second definition of morbid is 100% accurate, but keep telling yourself that having far too much body fat has no effect on how you live or how your long term health is impacted.

    Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.

    Quit trying to convince people this is Ok. It's not. You're going to hurt people, so knock it the fuck off.

  • Kitty-Cay
    23 points Dec 07,2017, 8:32pm

    "My friends say it's not unhealthy to be obese so that must be true"

  • bearybear90
    20 points Dec 07,2017, 8:30pm

    This just pure denial of facts

  • Krogdordaburninator
    17 points Dec 07,2017, 11:15pm

    Proves? You keep using that word...

  • IBangedYourDadTwice
    17 points Dec 08,2017, 2:39am

    Normal and average are not one in the same. The average American family has about 2.5 kids. It is certainly not normal to have 2.5 kids. That's actually a terrible thing to happen. The average American is overweight or obese. That is also a terrible thing to happen.

  • FaerieclesII
    13 points Dec 08,2017, 2:19am

    While so fat that you can’t walk without gasping, can barely wash yourself, and the only comfort in your life is food, that isn’t living, that’s existing. HAES is bullshit. You can be alive at 400lbs, but something tells me that’s all you are. Alive. In a fat prison. I’d wager I’d rather not be alive than live like that. Good thing for us is we have the tools necessary to change our lives. Often, we just need a push.

  • sarcasm_is_love
    28 points Dec 07,2017, 9:18pm

    Be sure to let your family know to engrave the words "Fabulously Obese" on your extra large coffin then eh.

  • Zombeedee
    9 points Dec 08,2017, 1:08am

    totally ignoring the second definition there....

  • overnighttest
    9 points Dec 08,2017, 5:00am

    Obesity hit a critical mass years ago, got normalized and is now starting to become an almost political banner. Like, it has a weird, tagged on meaning.

    People will go to the ends of the earth to justify not doing the hard work it takes to be healthy. It’s just odd to see obesity pass the point of excuses and step firmly into the world of fat-celebrating.

  • NeverEarnest
    5 points Dec 08,2017, 1:26am

    HAES is, at best, a philosophy. One that attempts to explain a predetermined conclusion rather than working from evidence.

    Check out this post on the history of HAES. It takes until the 4th paragraph before she begins discussing any science at all, before then it's about prejudice and social issues.

  • spookyruthy
    5 points Dec 08,2017, 3:09am

    "Proves"... I don't think that word means what they think it means.

  • kein-08-15
    5 points Dec 08,2017, 4:57am

    “There’s nothing abnormal about cancer since there are about 1.6 million new diagnoses in the US each year.”

  • Jimmythewise
    6 points Dec 08,2017, 5:10am

    I thought it meant that someone’s so fat they must have a death wish

  • sandre97
    11 points Dec 07,2017, 10:35pm

    morbid means death, so yeah.

  • FAFOGOSA
    4 points Dec 08,2017, 2:46am

    She even included the more relevant definition in her screencap, and chose to ignore it...

  • nattack
    4 points Dec 08,2017, 2:57am

    You can't just slap a new word on your condition and make it fine.

  • Gersh66
    5 points Dec 08,2017, 8:12am

    I guess we’re choosing to ignore the second definition?

  • TheRealGreenArrow
    3 points Dec 08,2017, 7:14am

    How vein are these people?! I Have some good muscle definition and have been better, but I wouldnt call myself sexy like they do.

  • Ziym
    3 points Dec 08,2017, 7:43am

    Someone forgot to read definition number two

  • AManCalledHorseFace
    3 points Dec 08,2017, 9:06am

    Morbid Obesity is a medical term for a specific medical condition, you don't have to like it but that does not change the fact it is a medical term for a real medical condition.

  • Efraimrocker
    3 points Dec 08,2017, 9:44am

    Was there anything "abnormal" about death in childbirth when one in three women died? The fact that lots of women (and men) are obese doesn't make it normal or healthy.

  • gracefulwing
    3 points Dec 08,2017, 9:54am

    I just don't get the whole 14 is the average size thing? Sure, I see women out and about that are probably a 14 or larger, but most people I see seem to be around my size, so if we try to proportionate for heights etc, that's probably sizes 4-8. If most people I see are that size, then wouldn't that make 6 the average?

  • Rackalackin
    3 points Dec 08,2017, 2:13am

    14-16, while overweight on a lot of people, isn’t usually obese. I’m fairly short and a size 14 (pants anyway) puts me at overweight. After that come obese, than morbidly obese.

    So congrats, you’re still probably fatter than average?

  • SilentMaster
    2 points Dec 08,2017, 7:32am

    HAES proves something? Doesn't the word prove usually go along with evidence? Where is this evidence that HAES proves something?

  • Rawbs
    2 points Dec 08,2017, 10:37am

    The black plague was also the norm in Europe at some point, and it didn't mean it was good

  • ShitlordSwiftie
    2 points Dec 08,2017, 12:25pm

    nods yeastily

  • Self-Aware
    2 points Dec 08,2017, 1:03pm

    I assure you, nobody who uses medical terminology in their professional life gives a flying fuck about your little 'ah ha!' moment.

  • pottymouthgrl
    1 points Dec 08,2017, 11:36am

    All these people keep citing that the average American woman is a size 14-16 when they themselves are probably like a size 24...

  • byscuit
    1 points Dec 08,2017, 11:51am

    i said the word "proves" so no one can argue now. reblog kthx

  • MoreOfaLurker
    1 points Dec 08,2017, 12:04pm

    Damn it. If the average American woman jumped off a bridge, would you jump too? Apparently yes.

  • fakemoose
    1 points Dec 08,2017, 12:15pm

    Ah yes, I see they skipped the other definitions:

    MEDICINE

    of the nature of or indicative of disease

  • cmn3y0
    1 points Dec 08,2017, 12:17pm

    Many word definitions on google are plain wrong. In general, never trust google for accurate definitions of words.

  • yash019
    1 points Dec 08,2017, 1:17pm

    I like how they've moved past debating healthy at every size and now it's a proven concept already