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Yo-yo effect on Wikipedia: fat logic or sanity?

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COMMENTS

  • Peanutking
    28 points Nov 15,2019, 9:01am

    I am not seeing a citation for that statement and what is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without it.

    The annoying thing with "starvation mode" is that there is truth to it, just not nearly to the degree fatlogicians claim. I feel like every responsible person talking about it needs to include a disclaimer "Not talking about a moderate deficit like when dieting" in big bold letters.

    In this case it's written in a non-nuanced misleading way, most likely from fatlogic thinking.

  • criesinplanestrains
    30 points Nov 15,2019, 9:34am

    What is highlighted is 100 percent bullshit.

    The starvation response is if you are already low fat and continue on a calorie deficit. It does not apply to obese or even high range of healthy BMI people losing 15 pounds.

    It is kind of impossible to gain only fat weight. When you gain weight you gain fat but you also gain water and lean mass to support it such as blood vessals, muscles to life it and connective tissue.

  • unemployedandpoor
    38 points Nov 15,2019, 9:01am

    I'm no scientist but I think this just means that after a period of near-starvation or a very intense diet, your body is going to send out hunger cues like crazy, obviously you'll feel ravenous, so you would eat a lot more and regain fat. Not sure though.

  • blah9871
    18 points Nov 15,2019, 9:08am

    It's describing something that's real enough - many people go in cycles of gaining and losing weight. That's what a "yo-yo diet" is.

    As for why it happens, the most obvious answer is simply that people stop following their restriction diets, gain the weight back, then feel the need to lose weight again. Trying to explain cyclical dieting as being some kind of unavoidable effect of a restrictive diet seems... silly.

  • quimera78
    5 points Nov 15,2019, 8:40am

    I was reading the Wikipedia page for the yo-yo effect when I came across this. I'm reluctant to believe it because when I clicked on "starvation response" I found that it was an explanation for what happens to animals when they don't have access to food. I also read the abstract of one of the papers cited and it's basically a survival mechanism for real lack of food (that is actual lack of food, not just restriction).

    The part I circled on the screen cap seems to imply that after you finish your diet, your body will gain weight again. Am I wrong in interpreting that? And, is it true? It seems to contradict itself later in the same paragraph. I don't think it is, however I don't want to jump at fat logic, I really want to understand. Thanks.

    Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_effect

  • Anonymocoso
    5 points Nov 15,2019, 9:51am
  • Shortgirlwhotries
    2 points Nov 15,2019, 11:02am

    I’ll agree that bad dieting (in my experience, can be too low of a deficit combined with high activity output) can lead to crazy strong hunger signals that are hard to fight through. It’s hard to create a comprehensive definition of a crash diet because what’s appropriate changes for each individual. The only thing to do is to teach people that it’s normal to learn about food and your personal energy needs and apply that knowledge to create an individualized diet that suits your goals. Until then we’re just going to see people trying commercial or trendy diets, eating too little for short periods, and flailing about unsuccessfully and then drawing unwarranted conclusions based on those experiences.

  • SomethingIWontRegret
    2 points Nov 15,2019, 11:09am

    Is that a recent edit? There are no studies supporting it.

  • oliness
    1 points Nov 15,2019, 9:53am

    The previous sentences mention extreme diets (and are called out for not being clear enough). Someone should edit the sentences to clarify it so as to improve article quality. But it does mention extreme diets as opposed to healthy eating and exercise.

  • ThePickleJuice22
    1 points Nov 15,2019, 5:46pm

    Wikipedia often has incorrect stuff for a while that gets corrected. Then people fight about it for a while and eventually the best version of the article wins. This process can take a long time.

  • spaghatta111
    0 points Nov 15,2019, 10:20am

    In all fairness, weight cycling is absolutely terrible for your health

    Anyone can write to Wikipedia. I have written things for Wikipedia

  • nancysgrrl
    -6 points Nov 15,2019, 9:01am

    It’s true. Have an underweight friend struggling to gain weight? Have him go on a restricted diet to lose 10 lbs. they should regain 15 within a few months. Counterintuitive

  • just_the_feds
    -4 points Nov 15,2019, 9:18am

    crash diets absolutely trigger a starvation response... moderation does not

COMMENTS

  • Peanutking
    28 points Nov 15,2019, 9:01am

    I am not seeing a citation for that statement and what is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without it.

    The annoying thing with "starvation mode" is that there is truth to it, just not nearly to the degree fatlogicians claim. I feel like every responsible person talking about it needs to include a disclaimer "Not talking about a moderate deficit like when dieting" in big bold letters.

    In this case it's written in a non-nuanced misleading way, most likely from fatlogic thinking.

  • criesinplanestrains
    30 points Nov 15,2019, 9:34am

    What is highlighted is 100 percent bullshit.

    The starvation response is if you are already low fat and continue on a calorie deficit. It does not apply to obese or even high range of healthy BMI people losing 15 pounds.

    It is kind of impossible to gain only fat weight. When you gain weight you gain fat but you also gain water and lean mass to support it such as blood vessals, muscles to life it and connective tissue.

  • unemployedandpoor
    38 points Nov 15,2019, 9:01am

    I'm no scientist but I think this just means that after a period of near-starvation or a very intense diet, your body is going to send out hunger cues like crazy, obviously you'll feel ravenous, so you would eat a lot more and regain fat. Not sure though.

  • Kdaziz
    10 points Nov 15,2019, 9:59am

    After completing a diet the Dieter is likely to return to their old eating habits and gain weight again

  • blah9871
    18 points Nov 15,2019, 9:08am

    It's describing something that's real enough - many people go in cycles of gaining and losing weight. That's what a "yo-yo diet" is.

    As for why it happens, the most obvious answer is simply that people stop following their restriction diets, gain the weight back, then feel the need to lose weight again. Trying to explain cyclical dieting as being some kind of unavoidable effect of a restrictive diet seems... silly.

  • quimera78
    5 points Nov 15,2019, 8:40am

    I was reading the Wikipedia page for the yo-yo effect when I came across this. I'm reluctant to believe it because when I clicked on "starvation response" I found that it was an explanation for what happens to animals when they don't have access to food. I also read the abstract of one of the papers cited and it's basically a survival mechanism for real lack of food (that is actual lack of food, not just restriction).

    The part I circled on the screen cap seems to imply that after you finish your diet, your body will gain weight again. Am I wrong in interpreting that? And, is it true? It seems to contradict itself later in the same paragraph. I don't think it is, however I don't want to jump at fat logic, I really want to understand. Thanks.

    Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_effect

  • Anonymocoso
    5 points Nov 15,2019, 9:51am
  • Shortgirlwhotries
    2 points Nov 15,2019, 11:02am

    I’ll agree that bad dieting (in my experience, can be too low of a deficit combined with high activity output) can lead to crazy strong hunger signals that are hard to fight through. It’s hard to create a comprehensive definition of a crash diet because what’s appropriate changes for each individual. The only thing to do is to teach people that it’s normal to learn about food and your personal energy needs and apply that knowledge to create an individualized diet that suits your goals. Until then we’re just going to see people trying commercial or trendy diets, eating too little for short periods, and flailing about unsuccessfully and then drawing unwarranted conclusions based on those experiences.

  • SomethingIWontRegret
    2 points Nov 15,2019, 11:09am

    Is that a recent edit? There are no studies supporting it.

  • oliness
    1 points Nov 15,2019, 9:53am

    The previous sentences mention extreme diets (and are called out for not being clear enough). Someone should edit the sentences to clarify it so as to improve article quality. But it does mention extreme diets as opposed to healthy eating and exercise.

  • ThePickleJuice22
    1 points Nov 15,2019, 5:46pm

    Wikipedia often has incorrect stuff for a while that gets corrected. Then people fight about it for a while and eventually the best version of the article wins. This process can take a long time.

  • spaghatta111
    0 points Nov 15,2019, 10:20am

    In all fairness, weight cycling is absolutely terrible for your health

    Anyone can write to Wikipedia. I have written things for Wikipedia

  • nancysgrrl
    -6 points Nov 15,2019, 9:01am

    It’s true. Have an underweight friend struggling to gain weight? Have him go on a restricted diet to lose 10 lbs. they should regain 15 within a few months. Counterintuitive

  • just_the_feds
    -4 points Nov 15,2019, 9:18am

    crash diets absolutely trigger a starvation response... moderation does not

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The absolutism of these people is just ridiculous. As someone that’s struggled with binging and purging I found that the simplicity of CICO and regular exercise has helped me heal my unhealthy relationship with food

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COMMENTS

  • babiesgettingrabies
    22 points Nov 15,2019, 1:49pm

    I don’t understand why these people have to talk in such extremes. “NO WAY” “SERIOUS DAMAGE” “ROBBING YOU” “DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCES” “DEPRIVATION”

    Like ffs, no one is advocating anyone to stop eating forever

    Also, I find the use of “shrinking” so comical. All I can think of is shrink rays and super tiny people

  • SituationTypeDeal
    17 points Nov 15,2019, 1:52pm

    This woman is insane, I hate listen to her podcast

  • spectacularbird1
    16 points Nov 15,2019, 2:27pm

    This is just so incredibly false. My relationship with food is IMPROVED being more intentional about what I eat. I don't just blindly eat everything in sight and day dream about the chocolate cupcake I can eat later. I don't horde snacks so that I can eat them in secret.

    By reading about nutrition and health I have become more deliberate and thoughtful about what I choose to eat. Everything I eat is still delicious! I'm not crying over a bowl of raw kale while wishing it was a donut like these people seem to think every normal weight person is doing. I don't restrict myself from things I want, I just make sure the choice is conscious.

  • UltraFab
    12 points Nov 15,2019, 2:21pm

    I mean if someone is obese, their relationship with food is likely damaged already

  • Anonymocoso
    5 points Nov 15,2019, 2:32pm

    She said that weight loss may occur as a result of recovery from disordered eating.

    But Twitter and Tumblr told me that weight is totally genetic. Recovery from disordered eating should not affect weight.

  • goldenpineapple3
    5 points Nov 15,2019, 4:11pm

    I actually healed my relationship with food by losing weight. I’m no longer binging and then hating myself.

  • deleted
    1 points Nov 15,2019, 3:02pm

    [removed]

COMMENTS

  • babiesgettingrabies
    22 points Nov 15,2019, 1:49pm

    I don’t understand why these people have to talk in such extremes. “NO WAY” “SERIOUS DAMAGE” “ROBBING YOU” “DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCES” “DEPRIVATION”

    Like ffs, no one is advocating anyone to stop eating forever

    Also, I find the use of “shrinking” so comical. All I can think of is shrink rays and super tiny people

  • SituationTypeDeal
    17 points Nov 15,2019, 1:52pm

    This woman is insane, I hate listen to her podcast

  • spectacularbird1
    16 points Nov 15,2019, 2:27pm

    This is just so incredibly false. My relationship with food is IMPROVED being more intentional about what I eat. I don't just blindly eat everything in sight and day dream about the chocolate cupcake I can eat later. I don't horde snacks so that I can eat them in secret.

    By reading about nutrition and health I have become more deliberate and thoughtful about what I choose to eat. Everything I eat is still delicious! I'm not crying over a bowl of raw kale while wishing it was a donut like these people seem to think every normal weight person is doing. I don't restrict myself from things I want, I just make sure the choice is conscious.

  • B-WingPilot
    11 points Nov 15,2019, 2:23pm

    Food Psych is the perfect fusion of a normal weight person and abusing anti-disorder language to discourage people from being normal weight. I suppose these mantras could be useful to someone struggling with anorexia, but it's outright dangerous to the average overweight/obese American who really does need to feel a less peace with food.

  • UltraFab
    12 points Nov 15,2019, 2:21pm

    I mean if someone is obese, their relationship with food is likely damaged already

  • Anonymocoso
    5 points Nov 15,2019, 2:32pm

    She said that weight loss may occur as a result of recovery from disordered eating.

    But Twitter and Tumblr told me that weight is totally genetic. Recovery from disordered eating should not affect weight.

  • goldenpineapple3
    5 points Nov 15,2019, 4:11pm

    I actually healed my relationship with food by losing weight. I’m no longer binging and then hating myself.

  • deleted
    1 points Nov 15,2019, 3:02pm

    [removed]

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Risks of obesity can EASILY be attributed to societal fatphobia, research be damned

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COMMENTS

  • Entitled_Khaleesi
    103 points Nov 12,2019, 10:04pm

    Oh ffs.

    I don’t mind hearing about how to fight obesity from a thin person. Just like how I appreciate advice on how to overcome alcoholism when it comes from a sober person.

    Sometimes the person who conquered it has the best advice.

  • starjumper_
    77 points Nov 12,2019, 10:29pm

    Imagine if you were in a lecture about the effects of smoking and every five minutes the lecturer was like 'And of course you CAN GET CANCER WITHOUT SMOKING 3 PACKS A DAY. It isn't JUST smokers who get cancer, so. JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR. We don't want to make the smoker's feel bad.'

  • lesbianwinemom
    67 points Nov 13,2019, 1:44am

    as a recovering anorexic, i don’t emotionally manipulate people by saying shit like “Oooooooooh, i can feel her,,,,, the ANOREXIA,,,,, she comin BACK,,,,, she MAD!!”

    and also i know everyone’s different but i’ve never been triggered by people stating simple facts.

  • ed_memes_acc
    39 points Nov 12,2019, 10:12pm

    Anorexia and fatphobia/“medicalized fatphobia” aren’t really related at all. They’re using the mentally ill as props to show how awful their own lives are.

  • bowlineonabight
    39 points Nov 12,2019, 10:25pm

    You know, if you don't want to listen to the lecture, just leave. You certainly won't learn any less than this.

  • QueenofPluto
    28 points Nov 13,2019, 2:28am

    Welcome to college. You're going to have your views challenged, you're going to hear stuff you find offensive, and some of that "offensive content" that challenges your worldview will be 100% factual. Go do your research, and don't just stick to the sources that agree with your existing viewpoint. 🤗

  • throwbackcore
    17 points Nov 12,2019, 10:42pm

    Ok what the fuck is "the war on obesity" ? Is that a real term or did they just steal it from the war on drugs?

  • plum_curculio
    13 points Nov 13,2019, 1:00am

    I bet this prof (or TA) is going to have fun marking the next assignment from this one here.

  • circumspecktor
    24 points Nov 13,2019, 12:43am

    There is an actual thing called minority stress that is experienced by oppressed groups, it results from racism, homophobia, etc. If they're correct about the health implications of fatphobia, it should stand to reason that the health effects from it would be the same as any other minority experiencing minority stress.

    While there is a bit of overlap (such as hypertension), the major issues of minority stress and obesity aren't the same. Folks experiencing minority stress have typical chronic stress reactions - anxiety, poor immune response, higher suicide rates, increased sexual risk taking, high rates of substance abuse, and higher alcohol consumption.

    Obesity on the other hand is linked with metabolic syndrome, diabetes, fatty liver disease, gallbladder disease, cataracts, sleep apnea, PCOS, infertility, kidney disease, nerve defects, joint disease, stress incontinence, and a whole host of cancers that haven't been connected to minority stress. Interestingly, obese folks have equal or lower rates of alcohol and substance abuse, and lower rates of suicide compared to the general public.

    If fatphobia was a type of minority stress than minorities would be expected to have all these other health conditions as well, but big surprise, they don't!

  • comradehael
    9 points Nov 12,2019, 11:11pm

    Can we have content warnings on obnoxious bullshit spouted by people who have no idea what they're talking about? Cause that would actually be useful...

  • ReddGold
    7 points Nov 13,2019, 12:48am

    Maybe if OP paid attention to the lecture rather than bitch about it online, the subject wouldn’t be so triggering

  • 21screamingpeople
    7 points Nov 13,2019, 12:54am

    I wonder what their major is... if they're getting offended by the mention of obesity they're gonna have a hell of a time in a lot of major programs tbh

  • AuntieApocalypse
    5 points Nov 13,2019, 12:08am

    Sounds like a delightful student.

  • ladybugparade
    6 points Nov 13,2019, 8:10am

    The image of this warrior “vibrating with fury” is hilarious and wonderful, A+

  • Alystial
    4 points Nov 13,2019, 11:37am

    "And me, a fat liberationist.."

    Can you imagine walking around referring to yourself as such?

    I can't roll my eyes any harder.

  • Biscuits_J_Piesnags
    4 points Nov 13,2019, 12:18pm

    If it was a fat person lecturing, then they would have a problem with "internalized fatphobia".

    It's almost as if they don't want to hear truth from anyone.

  • seekingindependence
    3 points Nov 13,2019, 3:33am

    If this person is in University and it sounds like they might be, they may be quite young. That's quite sad if they are already filled with so much rage and fatlogic.

  • la_catwalker
    3 points Nov 13,2019, 6:28am

    A whole pile of horseshit!!!!! First of all, it’s fatophobia, not fatphobia. Second, no legit research would use the term a medical condition (I.e. phobia, occur on individuals) on a collective and “societal” level... And third, fatophobia is a genuine phobia, impulsive fear. It does not mean “hating fat people”. Seems that person should look up books first

  • deleted
    3 points Nov 13,2019, 8:13am

    [removed]

  • Devourer_of_felines
    3 points Nov 13,2019, 8:58am

    Vibrating with fury

    You sure you're not just shaking from a sugar crash?

  • DeweyCheatem-n-Howe
    2 points Nov 13,2019, 12:16pm

    Somebody's failing that class.

  • UltraFab
    1 points Nov 13,2019, 3:47pm

    I wonder why they didn't say anything to the speaker instead of vibrating

COMMENTS

  • Entitled_Khaleesi
    103 points Nov 12,2019, 10:04pm

    Oh ffs.

    I don’t mind hearing about how to fight obesity from a thin person. Just like how I appreciate advice on how to overcome alcoholism when it comes from a sober person.

    Sometimes the person who conquered it has the best advice.

  • starjumper_
    77 points Nov 12,2019, 10:29pm

    Imagine if you were in a lecture about the effects of smoking and every five minutes the lecturer was like 'And of course you CAN GET CANCER WITHOUT SMOKING 3 PACKS A DAY. It isn't JUST smokers who get cancer, so. JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR. We don't want to make the smoker's feel bad.'

  • lesbianwinemom
    67 points Nov 13,2019, 1:44am

    as a recovering anorexic, i don’t emotionally manipulate people by saying shit like “Oooooooooh, i can feel her,,,,, the ANOREXIA,,,,, she comin BACK,,,,, she MAD!!”

    and also i know everyone’s different but i’ve never been triggered by people stating simple facts.

  • SuperDuperManBoy
    54 points Nov 12,2019, 10:18pm

    This person obviously doesn't need college... a few $500 weekend seminars with your local HAESTM certified lecturer and you'll be able to upend the entire medical community!

  • ed_memes_acc
    39 points Nov 12,2019, 10:12pm

    Anorexia and fatphobia/“medicalized fatphobia” aren’t really related at all. They’re using the mentally ill as props to show how awful their own lives are.

  • bowlineonabight
    39 points Nov 12,2019, 10:25pm

    You know, if you don't want to listen to the lecture, just leave. You certainly won't learn any less than this.

  • QueenofPluto
    28 points Nov 13,2019, 2:28am

    Welcome to college. You're going to have your views challenged, you're going to hear stuff you find offensive, and some of that "offensive content" that challenges your worldview will be 100% factual. Go do your research, and don't just stick to the sources that agree with your existing viewpoint. 🤗

  • throwbackcore
    17 points Nov 12,2019, 10:42pm

    Ok what the fuck is "the war on obesity" ? Is that a real term or did they just steal it from the war on drugs?

  • plum_curculio
    13 points Nov 13,2019, 1:00am

    I bet this prof (or TA) is going to have fun marking the next assignment from this one here.

  • circumspecktor
    24 points Nov 13,2019, 12:43am

    There is an actual thing called minority stress that is experienced by oppressed groups, it results from racism, homophobia, etc. If they're correct about the health implications of fatphobia, it should stand to reason that the health effects from it would be the same as any other minority experiencing minority stress.

    While there is a bit of overlap (such as hypertension), the major issues of minority stress and obesity aren't the same. Folks experiencing minority stress have typical chronic stress reactions - anxiety, poor immune response, higher suicide rates, increased sexual risk taking, high rates of substance abuse, and higher alcohol consumption.

    Obesity on the other hand is linked with metabolic syndrome, diabetes, fatty liver disease, gallbladder disease, cataracts, sleep apnea, PCOS, infertility, kidney disease, nerve defects, joint disease, stress incontinence, and a whole host of cancers that haven't been connected to minority stress. Interestingly, obese folks have equal or lower rates of alcohol and substance abuse, and lower rates of suicide compared to the general public.

    If fatphobia was a type of minority stress than minorities would be expected to have all these other health conditions as well, but big surprise, they don't!

  • comradehael
    9 points Nov 12,2019, 11:11pm

    Can we have content warnings on obnoxious bullshit spouted by people who have no idea what they're talking about? Cause that would actually be useful...

  • ReddGold
    7 points Nov 13,2019, 12:48am

    Maybe if OP paid attention to the lecture rather than bitch about it online, the subject wouldn’t be so triggering

  • 21screamingpeople
    7 points Nov 13,2019, 12:54am

    I wonder what their major is... if they're getting offended by the mention of obesity they're gonna have a hell of a time in a lot of major programs tbh

  • AuntieApocalypse
    5 points Nov 13,2019, 12:08am

    Sounds like a delightful student.

  • ladybugparade
    6 points Nov 13,2019, 8:10am

    The image of this warrior “vibrating with fury” is hilarious and wonderful, A+

  • Alystial
    4 points Nov 13,2019, 11:37am

    "And me, a fat liberationist.."

    Can you imagine walking around referring to yourself as such?

    I can't roll my eyes any harder.

  • Biscuits_J_Piesnags
    4 points Nov 13,2019, 12:18pm

    If it was a fat person lecturing, then they would have a problem with "internalized fatphobia".

    It's almost as if they don't want to hear truth from anyone.

  • seekingindependence
    3 points Nov 13,2019, 3:33am

    If this person is in University and it sounds like they might be, they may be quite young. That's quite sad if they are already filled with so much rage and fatlogic.

  • la_catwalker
    3 points Nov 13,2019, 6:28am

    A whole pile of horseshit!!!!! First of all, it’s fatophobia, not fatphobia. Second, no legit research would use the term a medical condition (I.e. phobia, occur on individuals) on a collective and “societal” level... And third, fatophobia is a genuine phobia, impulsive fear. It does not mean “hating fat people”. Seems that person should look up books first

  • deleted
    3 points Nov 13,2019, 8:13am

    [removed]

  • Devourer_of_felines
    3 points Nov 13,2019, 8:58am

    Vibrating with fury

    You sure you're not just shaking from a sugar crash?

  • DeweyCheatem-n-Howe
    2 points Nov 13,2019, 12:16pm

    Somebody's failing that class.

  • UltraFab
    1 points Nov 13,2019, 3:47pm

    I wonder why they didn't say anything to the speaker instead of vibrating

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Clean Eating is Exactly the Same As Anorexia

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COMMENTS

  • bookhermit
    42 points Nov 13,2019, 5:43pm

    Where is the line? Mental illness is the line. Do the behaviors negatively impact quality of life and contribute to anxiety and obsession? That's the line.

    I wash my hands 20 times a day. That doesn't diagnose me with OCD. I have twin newborns and a preschooler and I'm trying to keep everyone healthy during flu season. Babies like to suck on everything and little boys are germ spreaders. Also, I wash my hands after every diaper change, upwards of a dozen per day with two combined.

    The behavior isn't the disease. Skipping breakfast in favor of a coffee isn't anorexia and it's pretty insulting to the people that suffer from the spiralling obsession to minimize it by characterizing avoiding fast food and buying a dress one size down as mental illness.

  • tpfang56
    13 points Nov 13,2019, 5:40pm

    nobody who does IF can’t admit that it is essentially skipping meals lol. just that anyone who responsibly does IF will make sure to get enough calories even on a deficit.

    edit: also IF is most often a useful tool to prevent overeating and stay within the proper amount of calories. eating breakfast, lunch, dinner, and multiple snacks/drinks is how people gain weight. with IF, you can have bigger and more filling meals (+dessert on occasion) without overeating.

    conversely, you can still gain weight on IF if you binge eat within feeding hours. every week in the sub there are people asking why they’re not losing when they don’t track calories.

  • Grillard
    13 points Nov 13,2019, 5:27pm

    I have to admit that I hate the term "clean eating". It's never clearly defined, so it ends up being a proxy for whatever the latest hoodoo bullshit is, especially in the bodybuilding world. I think a lot of the BS that FAs rant about originates with "clean" -- you must never eat these foods, and always eat those.

  • IFeelMoiGerbil
    1 points Nov 13,2019, 6:50pm

    Well when my anorexia was in full flight I needed to speak to a therapist about buying clothes that were too small for me because I was a woman in my 20s having full on crying fits, exercising until I got stress fractures in my feet and having suicidal thoughts because my goal was underwear for 5 year old children.

    I was already wearing underwear for a 6 year old but obsessively buying even smaller pairs to ‘keep me on track’ and exhibiting such disordered behaviours that people who had just met me were able to diagnose that I had anorexia within first meeting.

    Last week now in ED recovery I bought a sweatshirt that’s a tiny bit tight in the boobs and didn’t need to tell my therapist because if I just wear it with nothing under it it’s fine and honestly my recovery (involving IF actually) is stabilising me nicely so I’m breaking the fluctuation cycle of binge/purge/restrict I was in and another few weeks and the sweatshirt will fit nicely.

    And if it doesn’t I’ll give to a charity shop and chalk it up to life and carry on with recovery. See the difference?

  • rumhamplanet
    1 points Nov 13,2019, 6:16pm

    how come when i buy clothes that don't fit, it's something i have to tell my therapist about

    Why are you buying clothes that don't fit in the first place? I'm guessing just so you have something to bitch about. Maybe don't waste the money next time.

    Or should I be like, "omg, you are literally stealing clothes that don't fit you off the racks so that when people who live in a naturally smaller body go to practice self care with heir preferred retail therapist you are l i t e r a l l y denying a minority group access to essential goods and services. next time, center your worldview on the 30 percent of the country who suffer from your fat privilege which you, btw, need to c h e c k."

  • criesinplanestrains
    1 points Nov 13,2019, 6:57pm

    Another HAES/FA pretending to have Anorexia so they have moral and emotional superiority in the conversation. Can't say bullshit because their "lived experience" trumps all.

COMMENTS

  • bookhermit
    42 points Nov 13,2019, 5:43pm

    Where is the line? Mental illness is the line. Do the behaviors negatively impact quality of life and contribute to anxiety and obsession? That's the line.

    I wash my hands 20 times a day. That doesn't diagnose me with OCD. I have twin newborns and a preschooler and I'm trying to keep everyone healthy during flu season. Babies like to suck on everything and little boys are germ spreaders. Also, I wash my hands after every diaper change, upwards of a dozen per day with two combined.

    The behavior isn't the disease. Skipping breakfast in favor of a coffee isn't anorexia and it's pretty insulting to the people that suffer from the spiralling obsession to minimize it by characterizing avoiding fast food and buying a dress one size down as mental illness.

  • tpfang56
    13 points Nov 13,2019, 5:40pm

    nobody who does IF can’t admit that it is essentially skipping meals lol. just that anyone who responsibly does IF will make sure to get enough calories even on a deficit.

    edit: also IF is most often a useful tool to prevent overeating and stay within the proper amount of calories. eating breakfast, lunch, dinner, and multiple snacks/drinks is how people gain weight. with IF, you can have bigger and more filling meals (+dessert on occasion) without overeating.

    conversely, you can still gain weight on IF if you binge eat within feeding hours. every week in the sub there are people asking why they’re not losing when they don’t track calories.

  • Grillard
    13 points Nov 13,2019, 5:27pm

    I have to admit that I hate the term "clean eating". It's never clearly defined, so it ends up being a proxy for whatever the latest hoodoo bullshit is, especially in the bodybuilding world. I think a lot of the BS that FAs rant about originates with "clean" -- you must never eat these foods, and always eat those.

  • AuntieApocalypse
    5 points Nov 13,2019, 5:52pm

    Well, for one thing by eating a diet of almost entirely whole foods and leaving ultra-processed, hyper-palatable junk to an occasional thing I haven't spiraled into a self-destructively low weight that harms my body. If anything, I'm trying to put a bit more muscle (and probably some weight) on. Not a typical goal for an anorexic.

  • IFeelMoiGerbil
    1 points Nov 13,2019, 6:50pm

    Well when my anorexia was in full flight I needed to speak to a therapist about buying clothes that were too small for me because I was a woman in my 20s having full on crying fits, exercising until I got stress fractures in my feet and having suicidal thoughts because my goal was underwear for 5 year old children.

    I was already wearing underwear for a 6 year old but obsessively buying even smaller pairs to ‘keep me on track’ and exhibiting such disordered behaviours that people who had just met me were able to diagnose that I had anorexia within first meeting.

    Last week now in ED recovery I bought a sweatshirt that’s a tiny bit tight in the boobs and didn’t need to tell my therapist because if I just wear it with nothing under it it’s fine and honestly my recovery (involving IF actually) is stabilising me nicely so I’m breaking the fluctuation cycle of binge/purge/restrict I was in and another few weeks and the sweatshirt will fit nicely.

    And if it doesn’t I’ll give to a charity shop and chalk it up to life and carry on with recovery. See the difference?

  • rumhamplanet
    1 points Nov 13,2019, 6:16pm

    how come when i buy clothes that don't fit, it's something i have to tell my therapist about

    Why are you buying clothes that don't fit in the first place? I'm guessing just so you have something to bitch about. Maybe don't waste the money next time.

    Or should I be like, "omg, you are literally stealing clothes that don't fit you off the racks so that when people who live in a naturally smaller body go to practice self care with heir preferred retail therapist you are l i t e r a l l y denying a minority group access to essential goods and services. next time, center your worldview on the 30 percent of the country who suffer from your fat privilege which you, btw, need to c h e c k."

  • criesinplanestrains
    1 points Nov 13,2019, 6:57pm

    Another HAES/FA pretending to have Anorexia so they have moral and emotional superiority in the conversation. Can't say bullshit because their "lived experience" trumps all.

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COMMENTS

  • lesprack
    65 points Nov 13,2019, 12:03pm

    What FAs mean by “sugar is healthy”: chocolate bars, cake, ice cream, donuts

    What healthy sugar is: apples, berries, bananas, etc.

  • lesbianwinemom
    44 points Nov 13,2019, 11:55am

    guys stop demonising sugar its feelings are rly hurt 😔

  • Darya-Droid
    32 points Nov 13,2019, 11:58am

    I'm prediebetic, why am I not a genius?!?!

  • Viajaremos
    18 points Nov 13,2019, 1:17pm

    Fact Check- your body can make it's own glucose through glucenogenesis. There is absolutely no need for external sugar.

    I've gone to a very low-carb diet and have stopped eating sugar. I have more energy and think clearer than ever.

    Removing sugar from your diet is one of the easiest ways of improving your health.

  • BorrowedTrouble
    15 points Nov 13,2019, 2:35pm

    I mean, carbs are the brain’s primary source of fuel .... but that doesn’t mean you risk brain damage if you don’t gorge yourself on cupcakes on a daily basis.

    Sugar (specifically glucose) is the brain’s “primary” source of fuel, but it can also use ketones, and the body can also make glucose from other substances. So no, you don’t need to eat candy and cookies for your brain to work properly.

    FAs are almost as good as antivaxxers when it comes to taking a small grain of truth and turning it into a whopping truckload of bullshit.

  • TheodoreGorath
    9 points Nov 13,2019, 1:25pm

    When your entire lifestyle revolves around gorging on high sugar foods, I imagine someone saying that sugar is bad for you does feel like a personal attack.

    What they are actually saying is, "Stop criticizing my terrible choices, it makes me have to face them!"

  • Bobuzo
    9 points Nov 13,2019, 1:32pm

    "Carbs are your brains/body's preferred source of energy cause it gets burned first!" Well technically alcohol gets burned before carbs....

    I love being low carb haha.

  • ScarletHarley
    3 points Nov 13,2019, 3:54pm

    "primary energy source" HAES person needs to cite a damn info source.

  • thisisathroawayk
    5 points Nov 13,2019, 3:56pm

    Ya no. We got along just fine without canesugar and sugar additives for a good long time. Here in the west, we can blame the Tudors on that. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpJI3fHOj78

  • TaraJo
    1 points Nov 13,2019, 6:33pm

    I mean, technically, your body does need sugars for energy, but there’s a huge difference between what a microbiologist calls sugar and the high fructose corn syrup that the fatties are gobbling up

COMMENTS

  • lesprack
    65 points Nov 13,2019, 12:03pm

    What FAs mean by “sugar is healthy”: chocolate bars, cake, ice cream, donuts

    What healthy sugar is: apples, berries, bananas, etc.

  • lesbianwinemom
    44 points Nov 13,2019, 11:55am

    guys stop demonising sugar its feelings are rly hurt 😔

  • Darya-Droid
    32 points Nov 13,2019, 11:58am

    I'm prediebetic, why am I not a genius?!?!

  • OCRAmazon
    31 points Nov 13,2019, 12:19pm

    I mean, carbohydrates do help brain function, but they don't have to be in the form of sugar and junk food FFS.

  • Viajaremos
    18 points Nov 13,2019, 1:17pm

    Fact Check- your body can make it's own glucose through glucenogenesis. There is absolutely no need for external sugar.

    I've gone to a very low-carb diet and have stopped eating sugar. I have more energy and think clearer than ever.

    Removing sugar from your diet is one of the easiest ways of improving your health.

  • BorrowedTrouble
    15 points Nov 13,2019, 2:35pm

    I mean, carbs are the brain’s primary source of fuel .... but that doesn’t mean you risk brain damage if you don’t gorge yourself on cupcakes on a daily basis.

    Sugar (specifically glucose) is the brain’s “primary” source of fuel, but it can also use ketones, and the body can also make glucose from other substances. So no, you don’t need to eat candy and cookies for your brain to work properly.

    FAs are almost as good as antivaxxers when it comes to taking a small grain of truth and turning it into a whopping truckload of bullshit.

  • TheodoreGorath
    9 points Nov 13,2019, 1:25pm

    When your entire lifestyle revolves around gorging on high sugar foods, I imagine someone saying that sugar is bad for you does feel like a personal attack.

    What they are actually saying is, "Stop criticizing my terrible choices, it makes me have to face them!"

  • Bobuzo
    9 points Nov 13,2019, 1:32pm

    "Carbs are your brains/body's preferred source of energy cause it gets burned first!" Well technically alcohol gets burned before carbs....

    I love being low carb haha.

  • ScarletHarley
    3 points Nov 13,2019, 3:54pm

    "primary energy source" HAES person needs to cite a damn info source.

  • thisisathroawayk
    5 points Nov 13,2019, 3:56pm

    Ya no. We got along just fine without canesugar and sugar additives for a good long time. Here in the west, we can blame the Tudors on that. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpJI3fHOj78

  • TaraJo
    1 points Nov 13,2019, 6:33pm

    I mean, technically, your body does need sugars for energy, but there’s a huge difference between what a microbiologist calls sugar and the high fructose corn syrup that the fatties are gobbling up

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These ladies must be seven feet tall

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COMMENTS

  • SuperDuperManBoy
    32 points Nov 12,2019, 4:41pm

    That's truly horrifying if these women were wearing adult size 12 at age 12... that's a 40 inch hip (had to google that bit on info).

    And they weren't done growing yet...

  • scoutiesteph
    29 points Nov 12,2019, 4:43pm

    Love the casual skinny shaming that is somehow acceptable.

  • starvingthearies
    24 points Nov 12,2019, 5:01pm

    Why do these people think that any size below plus size is "anorexic" or "unhealthy"?

  • Zirniaisuspirgais
    9 points Nov 12,2019, 5:56pm

    Hip bones is one of the bony landmarks of the body- bone that's close enough to the skin and can be used as a point of reference when drawing. But turns out visible hip bones is now not okay?

  • DoffyTrash
    11 points Nov 12,2019, 5:21pm

    Love that the hip bones thing is somehow seen as a negative.

    I want hip bones sharp enough to cut glass, don't @ me.

  • tkidaw
    4 points Nov 12,2019, 4:38pm

    US sizing?

  • BenoNZ
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 6:25pm

    That's delusion in effect plain and simple. These people have completely lost all concept of what a healthy weight looks like.

  • norms0028
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 6:33pm

    im an overweight size 4 lol at average height 5’4” 150 lbs

  • dm7749
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 6:41pm

    Jesus christ, I'm a 6'1" male but I looked up the conversion chart and I'm a size 8. I'm in a regular BMI category, but I could still loose some weight. Fuck off with that "I would be stick and bones at size 12" shit.

  • kajigleta
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 6:49pm

    5'10", and at barely overweight I'm a 12. No protruding hip bones.

  • norms0028
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 7:05pm

    it might be vanity sizing. add the fact I’ve got NO ASS

  • maybesaydie
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 7:15pm

    No, you didn't wear a size 12 when you were anorexic. Because you never were anorexic.

  • origamitutu
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 6:53pm

    I’m from the UK so maybe the sizing is different but I’m a size 12 and at a normal weight (135lbs, 5’7) but I’m still fairly chubby honestly? I’d hardly say that’s cause for concern at all

  • criesinplanestrains
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 7:20pm

    Reminder for every 1 real person with real Anorexia Nervosa there are dozens if not hundreds of FA/HAES lying about being Anorexic.

  • GlitterPants8
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 7:34pm

    They probably wore a 12 when they were preteens when sizes were much smaller. I have size 10 pants from 15yrs ago that fit about the same as 6s. People really don't realize how much vanity sizing has increased.

COMMENTS

  • SuperDuperManBoy
    32 points Nov 12,2019, 4:41pm

    That's truly horrifying if these women were wearing adult size 12 at age 12... that's a 40 inch hip (had to google that bit on info).

    And they weren't done growing yet...

  • scoutiesteph
    29 points Nov 12,2019, 4:43pm

    Love the casual skinny shaming that is somehow acceptable.

  • starvingthearies
    24 points Nov 12,2019, 5:01pm

    Why do these people think that any size below plus size is "anorexic" or "unhealthy"?

  • bookhermit
    16 points Nov 12,2019, 5:08pm

    I want to meet these Amazonians that have protruding hip bones at size 12.

  • Zirniaisuspirgais
    9 points Nov 12,2019, 5:56pm

    Hip bones is one of the bony landmarks of the body- bone that's close enough to the skin and can be used as a point of reference when drawing. But turns out visible hip bones is now not okay?

  • DoffyTrash
    11 points Nov 12,2019, 5:21pm

    Love that the hip bones thing is somehow seen as a negative.

    I want hip bones sharp enough to cut glass, don't @ me.

  • tkidaw
    4 points Nov 12,2019, 4:38pm

    US sizing?

  • BenoNZ
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 6:25pm

    That's delusion in effect plain and simple. These people have completely lost all concept of what a healthy weight looks like.

  • norms0028
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 6:33pm

    im an overweight size 4 lol at average height 5’4” 150 lbs

  • dm7749
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 6:41pm

    Jesus christ, I'm a 6'1" male but I looked up the conversion chart and I'm a size 8. I'm in a regular BMI category, but I could still loose some weight. Fuck off with that "I would be stick and bones at size 12" shit.

  • kajigleta
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 6:49pm

    5'10", and at barely overweight I'm a 12. No protruding hip bones.

  • norms0028
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 7:05pm

    it might be vanity sizing. add the fact I’ve got NO ASS

  • maybesaydie
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 7:15pm

    No, you didn't wear a size 12 when you were anorexic. Because you never were anorexic.

  • origamitutu
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 6:53pm

    I’m from the UK so maybe the sizing is different but I’m a size 12 and at a normal weight (135lbs, 5’7) but I’m still fairly chubby honestly? I’d hardly say that’s cause for concern at all

  • criesinplanestrains
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 7:20pm

    Reminder for every 1 real person with real Anorexia Nervosa there are dozens if not hundreds of FA/HAES lying about being Anorexic.

  • GlitterPants8
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 7:34pm

    They probably wore a 12 when they were preteens when sizes were much smaller. I have size 10 pants from 15yrs ago that fit about the same as 6s. People really don't realize how much vanity sizing has increased.

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Straight from the horse's mouth: "It's OK to be 600 lbs"

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COMMENTS

  • bookhermit
    114 points Nov 12,2019, 11:57am

    How expensive you reckon is maintaining a 600 lb body? That's an average of 4000 -5000 calories per day.

    What poorest of the poor can afford that much food on food stamps and welfare?

  • excitingllama
    68 points Nov 12,2019, 12:09pm

    “The whole point of this country is that if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600lb and die of a heart attack at 43, you can. To me, that’s beautiful.” - Ron Swanson

    And also this lady. Too bad she lives in the UK and is encouraging people to be a drain on the NHS.

  • semipaw
    37 points Nov 12,2019, 11:56am

    “It’s so expensive to eat less.”

  • AuntieApocalypse
    45 points Nov 12,2019, 12:11pm

    No one is saying someone isn't "allowed" to be 600 lbs. Nobody is kicking down doors and dragging 600 lbs people off to fat camps to subsist on celery and water. In fact, if anything, in my lifetime we've seen an uptick of 600 lbs people begging for help to stop abusing food and for people to kick down their door and knock out a portion of their walls to free them from the homes they're trapped in by their sheer size.

    There's an element of voluntarism in being 600 lbs (and overweight or obese to a lesser degree) but treating that sort of pathological food abuse as if it's an alternative lifestyle "choice" is like treating any other individual and public health issue as though it's nothing more than choosing between different handbags or styles of dress.

  • Sunfloragirll
    13 points Nov 12,2019, 1:01pm

    Obviously it's expensive to be healthy to the poorest of the poor, they don't have money to even eat. Why are people so blind? There are people going through famine in the American continent itself, you can't be so blind to the point you don't realize that being 600lbs denote a social privilege??? Gosh, those people are tiring.

  • MalibootyCutie
    10 points Nov 12,2019, 1:02pm

    My personal food expenses are super cheap. And I don’t eat cheap food. Steak, ground beef chicken, fish, shrimp, eggs, veggies. When I buy a steak? I buy a decent thick ribeye or strip. I cut it. It’s usually two or three portions. I eat it with eggs, a handful of shrimp, and some greens. Ground beef or ground turkey? Low sodium taco seasoning, lettuce, onion, avocado, taco sauce. Couple of fish filets with some broccoli. My snacks are usually hard boiled eggs....sometimes I might have some sugar free cool whip with some natural peanut butter. My dietary needs are small. The food I buy lasts and usually contributes to more than one meal. My protein is high so I stay full after I eat. It’s buying new clothes (because I keep losing inches and my body is shifting from working out) that is actually really costing me. I started shopping at Ross to compensate.

  • just_the_feds
    12 points Nov 12,2019, 1:22pm

    I think the real issue here is there's a lot of snake oil salesmen out there and misinformation in regards to what's "healthy" that prey on people who desperately want to stop being obese. most poor people can't often afford (time or money-wise) to make butternut squash and toasted quinoa salad, or whatever the fuck, and a lot of publications out there exclusively push that kind of food as 'healthy.' I've been there, I've been broke and wanting to improve my diet. you look at the ingredient list and compare it to what's in your cabinet and go "fuck it."

    in reality it's really cheap to eat healthy, but the ingredients aren't glamorous. they don't get much press because they're not moneymakers for big food. a bag of frozen chicken breasts and a few bags of frozen veggies are very cheap and will last a long time, but that's not what's advertised. those aren't "superfoods." you can't really blame people who know very little about nutrition and didn't have good role models growing up for not figuring that shit out on their own... for me, it took some research and wading through a lot of marketing junk.

    it seems obvious to us because we've known this stuff now for a while and internalized it, but a lot of people genuinely don't know how to put together a healthy meal and if you just follow the labels and buy stuff that claims to be healthy (or "all natural" or whatever the fuck) you're just perpetuating the cycle of fatness.

  • documentaryluvr666
    9 points Nov 12,2019, 1:01pm

    "fat-phobia is a huge problem within the poorest of the poor because it's really expensive to be healthy" notice the tacit admission that being fat is not healthy

  • SomeSqueakyCleanButt
    8 points Nov 12,2019, 1:26pm

    Fine, so they're allowed to make themselves through their own misguided actions 600lbs. But I as a responsible fit person should be allowed, in return, to pay a MUCH LOWER insurance premium than these people who are setting themselves up for a litany of expensive and completely avoidable health issues later on in life (assuming they live long enough).

    If a person wants to be fat, there should be absolutely no subsidy afforded to them for their terrible choices and garbage lifestyles.

  • thefallenaingel
    6 points Nov 12,2019, 1:31pm

    How many 600lb people are independently wealthy and can afford the medical care, personal care, and food it takes to maintain? I'd say close to zero. Most are unable to work. It's not policing a life choice. It is a cost...

    I would be horrified if others had to pay for my care.

  • oliness
    6 points Nov 12,2019, 2:11pm

    The society we're living in is a society where everyone has to contribute to everyone else's healthcare - through taxes or insurance premiums. That gives us every right to police others' lives because we all pay for each other.

    The Cancer Research warnings were based on a meta-analysis of 17 high quality studies showing a causal link between obesity and cancer. They are just doing their job and telling people facts. Whether it works or not is up to the people hearing the message. Should they not have reported on the link between smoking and cancer because some smokers might feel bad about it and smoke more?

  • BalzacTheGreat
    5 points Nov 12,2019, 1:49pm

    Then sure, we're allowed to tell you you are fucking deranged for believing really dumb shit.

  • TheodoreGorath
    8 points Nov 12,2019, 2:24pm

    Here are some of the things you can get at my local Wal-Mart for under 1 dollar:

    -2 cans of beans

    -1 dozen eggs

    -almost 1 pound of apples

    -almost 2 pounds of potatoes

    -1 loaf of bread

    -1 pound of pasta

    -about 7 ounces of canned tuna

    -12 ounces of any frozen vegetable

    -2 cans of just about any canned vegetable

    -almost 2 pounds of rice

    -1 half gallon of milk

    "It is too expensive to eat healthy" is such a huge lie. What it actually means is "I don't want to grocery shop or cook."

  • blubb444
    5 points Nov 12,2019, 3:18pm

    "it's really expensive to just consume a lower amount of food"

  • NeverEarnest
    4 points Nov 12,2019, 3:33pm

    My sister perpuates this belief and we've had this discussion several times. She wastes a lot of money buying 'superfoods' and specialized organic whatever. But as I keep mentioning to her, they're mostly fads - which is why she no longer eats quinoa and lentils, because now she's into salmon.

  • seekingindependence
    3 points Nov 12,2019, 3:38pm

    Explain to me how tackling obesity is any different to how we tackled smoking.

  • UltraFab
    3 points Nov 12,2019, 3:44pm

    Nobody wants to be 600lb

  • iushciuweiush
    3 points Nov 12,2019, 3:58pm

    "It's so expensive to be healthy that the wealthiest regions of the globe are the most obese." Logic checks out.

  • transistorbass303
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 2:42pm

    Why stop at 600, if morbid obesity is so benign? Everyone just go for the full 2,000 lbs.

  • Catstretto
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 3:53pm

    Yikes...

  • NewVerses
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 4:09pm

    If you're so big that you become a liability to those around you, then yes, it's my damn problem. Otherwise? I actually, honestly don't care about your size so long you're not policing mine.

  • Olhalisa
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 4:51pm

    I want this person to try and change "to be 600lbs" with "to be a heroin addict" then read the whole thing again and again until she gets it.

  • KuriousKhemicals
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 5:03pm

    OK not about the fatlogic of it but:

    what society are we living in that we have to police people's lives?

    The UK. The society you're living in is the UK, the international butt of jokes about police and licensing.

  • starvingthearies
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 5:08pm

    "It's really expensive to be healthy" Bro did u know that consuming LESS food costs LESS money...

    Edit: a word

  • future_fit_person
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 5:28pm

    “[redacted] took to Twitter.”

    What a hero.

  • dresses_and_heels
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 3:45pm

    It is not expensive to eat healthily. It CAN be but rice and beans are at most 2 and 3 dollars for a one-pound bags at even the fancy grocery store in my city. every other week you can buy 10 cans of green beans 7 dollars and get points that can buy a week's worth of groceries by the end of 2 months. It's not luxurious and it takes work but it IS affordable.

  • bowlineonabight
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 7:15pm

    ...because it's really expensive to be healthy.

    If you think being healthy costs a lot, wait until you have chronic health problems.

COMMENTS

  • bookhermit
    114 points Nov 12,2019, 11:57am

    How expensive you reckon is maintaining a 600 lb body? That's an average of 4000 -5000 calories per day.

    What poorest of the poor can afford that much food on food stamps and welfare?

  • excitingllama
    68 points Nov 12,2019, 12:09pm

    “The whole point of this country is that if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600lb and die of a heart attack at 43, you can. To me, that’s beautiful.” - Ron Swanson

    And also this lady. Too bad she lives in the UK and is encouraging people to be a drain on the NHS.

  • semipaw
    37 points Nov 12,2019, 11:56am

    “It’s so expensive to eat less.”

  • thorlancaster328
    23 points Nov 12,2019, 12:55pm

    If someone decides to be 600lb, then who is paying for their medical care? Although FA's love to preach about how being fat is an individual choice that people should stop complaining about, their obesity is hurting more than just themselves.

    According to the NIH, just being obese (not morbidly) costs an extra $3000 a year in medical care, and being morbidly obese must cost much more.

    People should not abuse their bodies and expect society to pay for it.

  • AuntieApocalypse
    45 points Nov 12,2019, 12:11pm

    No one is saying someone isn't "allowed" to be 600 lbs. Nobody is kicking down doors and dragging 600 lbs people off to fat camps to subsist on celery and water. In fact, if anything, in my lifetime we've seen an uptick of 600 lbs people begging for help to stop abusing food and for people to kick down their door and knock out a portion of their walls to free them from the homes they're trapped in by their sheer size.

    There's an element of voluntarism in being 600 lbs (and overweight or obese to a lesser degree) but treating that sort of pathological food abuse as if it's an alternative lifestyle "choice" is like treating any other individual and public health issue as though it's nothing more than choosing between different handbags or styles of dress.

  • Sunfloragirll
    13 points Nov 12,2019, 1:01pm

    Obviously it's expensive to be healthy to the poorest of the poor, they don't have money to even eat. Why are people so blind? There are people going through famine in the American continent itself, you can't be so blind to the point you don't realize that being 600lbs denote a social privilege??? Gosh, those people are tiring.

  • MalibootyCutie
    10 points Nov 12,2019, 1:02pm

    My personal food expenses are super cheap. And I don’t eat cheap food. Steak, ground beef chicken, fish, shrimp, eggs, veggies. When I buy a steak? I buy a decent thick ribeye or strip. I cut it. It’s usually two or three portions. I eat it with eggs, a handful of shrimp, and some greens. Ground beef or ground turkey? Low sodium taco seasoning, lettuce, onion, avocado, taco sauce. Couple of fish filets with some broccoli. My snacks are usually hard boiled eggs....sometimes I might have some sugar free cool whip with some natural peanut butter. My dietary needs are small. The food I buy lasts and usually contributes to more than one meal. My protein is high so I stay full after I eat. It’s buying new clothes (because I keep losing inches and my body is shifting from working out) that is actually really costing me. I started shopping at Ross to compensate.

  • just_the_feds
    12 points Nov 12,2019, 1:22pm

    I think the real issue here is there's a lot of snake oil salesmen out there and misinformation in regards to what's "healthy" that prey on people who desperately want to stop being obese. most poor people can't often afford (time or money-wise) to make butternut squash and toasted quinoa salad, or whatever the fuck, and a lot of publications out there exclusively push that kind of food as 'healthy.' I've been there, I've been broke and wanting to improve my diet. you look at the ingredient list and compare it to what's in your cabinet and go "fuck it."

    in reality it's really cheap to eat healthy, but the ingredients aren't glamorous. they don't get much press because they're not moneymakers for big food. a bag of frozen chicken breasts and a few bags of frozen veggies are very cheap and will last a long time, but that's not what's advertised. those aren't "superfoods." you can't really blame people who know very little about nutrition and didn't have good role models growing up for not figuring that shit out on their own... for me, it took some research and wading through a lot of marketing junk.

    it seems obvious to us because we've known this stuff now for a while and internalized it, but a lot of people genuinely don't know how to put together a healthy meal and if you just follow the labels and buy stuff that claims to be healthy (or "all natural" or whatever the fuck) you're just perpetuating the cycle of fatness.

  • documentaryluvr666
    9 points Nov 12,2019, 1:01pm

    "fat-phobia is a huge problem within the poorest of the poor because it's really expensive to be healthy" notice the tacit admission that being fat is not healthy

  • SomeSqueakyCleanButt
    8 points Nov 12,2019, 1:26pm

    Fine, so they're allowed to make themselves through their own misguided actions 600lbs. But I as a responsible fit person should be allowed, in return, to pay a MUCH LOWER insurance premium than these people who are setting themselves up for a litany of expensive and completely avoidable health issues later on in life (assuming they live long enough).

    If a person wants to be fat, there should be absolutely no subsidy afforded to them for their terrible choices and garbage lifestyles.

  • thefallenaingel
    6 points Nov 12,2019, 1:31pm

    How many 600lb people are independently wealthy and can afford the medical care, personal care, and food it takes to maintain? I'd say close to zero. Most are unable to work. It's not policing a life choice. It is a cost...

    I would be horrified if others had to pay for my care.

  • oliness
    6 points Nov 12,2019, 2:11pm

    The society we're living in is a society where everyone has to contribute to everyone else's healthcare - through taxes or insurance premiums. That gives us every right to police others' lives because we all pay for each other.

    The Cancer Research warnings were based on a meta-analysis of 17 high quality studies showing a causal link between obesity and cancer. They are just doing their job and telling people facts. Whether it works or not is up to the people hearing the message. Should they not have reported on the link between smoking and cancer because some smokers might feel bad about it and smoke more?

  • BalzacTheGreat
    5 points Nov 12,2019, 1:49pm

    Then sure, we're allowed to tell you you are fucking deranged for believing really dumb shit.

  • TheodoreGorath
    8 points Nov 12,2019, 2:24pm

    Here are some of the things you can get at my local Wal-Mart for under 1 dollar:

    -2 cans of beans

    -1 dozen eggs

    -almost 1 pound of apples

    -almost 2 pounds of potatoes

    -1 loaf of bread

    -1 pound of pasta

    -about 7 ounces of canned tuna

    -12 ounces of any frozen vegetable

    -2 cans of just about any canned vegetable

    -almost 2 pounds of rice

    -1 half gallon of milk

    "It is too expensive to eat healthy" is such a huge lie. What it actually means is "I don't want to grocery shop or cook."

  • blubb444
    5 points Nov 12,2019, 3:18pm

    "it's really expensive to just consume a lower amount of food"

  • NeverEarnest
    4 points Nov 12,2019, 3:33pm

    My sister perpuates this belief and we've had this discussion several times. She wastes a lot of money buying 'superfoods' and specialized organic whatever. But as I keep mentioning to her, they're mostly fads - which is why she no longer eats quinoa and lentils, because now she's into salmon.

  • seekingindependence
    3 points Nov 12,2019, 3:38pm

    Explain to me how tackling obesity is any different to how we tackled smoking.

  • UltraFab
    3 points Nov 12,2019, 3:44pm

    Nobody wants to be 600lb

  • iushciuweiush
    3 points Nov 12,2019, 3:58pm

    "It's so expensive to be healthy that the wealthiest regions of the globe are the most obese." Logic checks out.

  • transistorbass303
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 2:42pm

    Why stop at 600, if morbid obesity is so benign? Everyone just go for the full 2,000 lbs.

  • Catstretto
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 3:53pm

    Yikes...

  • NewVerses
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 4:09pm

    If you're so big that you become a liability to those around you, then yes, it's my damn problem. Otherwise? I actually, honestly don't care about your size so long you're not policing mine.

  • Olhalisa
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 4:51pm

    I want this person to try and change "to be 600lbs" with "to be a heroin addict" then read the whole thing again and again until she gets it.

  • KuriousKhemicals
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 5:03pm

    OK not about the fatlogic of it but:

    what society are we living in that we have to police people's lives?

    The UK. The society you're living in is the UK, the international butt of jokes about police and licensing.

  • starvingthearies
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 5:08pm

    "It's really expensive to be healthy" Bro did u know that consuming LESS food costs LESS money...

    Edit: a word

  • future_fit_person
    2 points Nov 12,2019, 5:28pm

    “[redacted] took to Twitter.”

    What a hero.

  • dresses_and_heels
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 3:45pm

    It is not expensive to eat healthily. It CAN be but rice and beans are at most 2 and 3 dollars for a one-pound bags at even the fancy grocery store in my city. every other week you can buy 10 cans of green beans 7 dollars and get points that can buy a week's worth of groceries by the end of 2 months. It's not luxurious and it takes work but it IS affordable.

  • bowlineonabight
    1 points Nov 12,2019, 7:15pm

    ...because it's really expensive to be healthy.

    If you think being healthy costs a lot, wait until you have chronic health problems.

● ● ●

Sanity from the Glute Lab

fatlogic

COMMENTS

  • zsz101
    29 points Nov 12,2019, 2:59pm

    But wait! Didn’t you know that tracking food is an eating disorder?!

  • seekingindependence
    15 points Nov 12,2019, 3:40pm

    Have we learnt nothing from all those guess-the-number-of-jelly-beans-in-the-jar contests?

    People suck at estimating.

  • Klovie4o4
    20 points Nov 12,2019, 3:16pm

    As much as that doesn't surprise me; it surprised me to see the degree of their misconceptions were compared to leaner folks/nutritionists.

    I think that the exercise part might have to do with the fact that the exercise needed to lose weigh is so much more than someone is used to, so any extra effort at all can feel like it's harder than it really is.

COMMENTS

  • zsz101
    29 points Nov 12,2019, 2:59pm

    But wait! Didn’t you know that tracking food is an eating disorder?!

  • seekingindependence
    15 points Nov 12,2019, 3:40pm

    Have we learnt nothing from all those guess-the-number-of-jelly-beans-in-the-jar contests?

    People suck at estimating.

  • Klovie4o4
    20 points Nov 12,2019, 3:16pm

    As much as that doesn't surprise me; it surprised me to see the degree of their misconceptions were compared to leaner folks/nutritionists.

    I think that the exercise part might have to do with the fact that the exercise needed to lose weigh is so much more than someone is used to, so any extra effort at all can feel like it's harder than it really is.

● ● ●

The article that woke me up from HAES and made me realize this was all crazy BS: “give up the idea of being thin one day bc diet and exercise doesn’t work”

fatlogic

COMMENTS

  • Zirniaisuspirgais
    17 points Nov 07,2019, 5:27pm

    They sure do put a lot of mental energy into trying to convince themselves that they're powerless

  • SomethingIWontRegret
    14 points Nov 07,2019, 5:34pm

    I've had this reaction before. "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Watch me prove you wrong." And then I did.

  • Grillard
    12 points Nov 07,2019, 5:34pm

    "we have to give up the idea of one day achieving..."

    Blow me.

    I don't have to give up just because you want to give up.

  • TurboRuhland
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 7:28pm

    because it confirmed my life experiences up to that point.

    There is indeed something very much like relief to be found in a belief system that coddles your delusions and patently allows you to release control of your actions to your baser instincts. Everyone likes being told they are right, and HAES/FA seems to be yet another way for people to tell themselves they’re right, no matter what they do.

COMMENTS

  • Zirniaisuspirgais
    17 points Nov 07,2019, 5:27pm

    They sure do put a lot of mental energy into trying to convince themselves that they're powerless

  • SomethingIWontRegret
    14 points Nov 07,2019, 5:34pm

    I've had this reaction before. "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Watch me prove you wrong." And then I did.

  • Grillard
    12 points Nov 07,2019, 5:34pm

    "we have to give up the idea of one day achieving..."

    Blow me.

    I don't have to give up just because you want to give up.

  • betsy333www
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 6:45pm

    I have NOT had copious amounts of misery though! In learning how to just enjoy anything and everything in moderation, I’ve been freed from food guilt, stress, dieting, bingeing, etc. it is not impossible! I’m living proof. I’ve lost 90 lbs as of today. Slow (1 yr) but easy peasy.

  • TurboRuhland
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 7:28pm

    because it confirmed my life experiences up to that point.

    There is indeed something very much like relief to be found in a belief system that coddles your delusions and patently allows you to release control of your actions to your baser instincts. Everyone likes being told they are right, and HAES/FA seems to be yet another way for people to tell themselves they’re right, no matter what they do.

● ● ●

(reupload w/o pics) Says dieting isn't a personality trait, but has "local fat girl" in bio and tweets about being fat most of the time

fatlogic

COMMENTS

  • NewVerses
    486 points Nov 07,2019, 4:27am

    Losing weight (I hate the term "dieting") says a lot about me. It says I was able to recognize I had a problem, and had the discipline and the self-love required to solve them. This bit of extra planning has not made my relationship with food any worse - eating generally better has actually allowed me to work little by little on the guilt I associate with unhealthy food.

    The fact none of this are positives for FAs says more about them than they realize.

  • synalgo_12
    194 points Nov 07,2019, 4:17am

    Because overalls are a hobby/personality trait?

  • thenikeclause
    488 points Nov 07,2019, 3:31am

    $5 says this illustrator has at least one "disney princess but ReAlIsTiC" drawing in her body of work.

  • CuriousStellar
    134 points Nov 07,2019, 4:39am

    Ugh I remember being like that.

    No, hon, stuffing your body with junk and refusing to get up from the couch is not a personality either.

  • Master_McKnowledge
    89 points Nov 07,2019, 3:56am

    Maybe it’s accurate. “My personality is like my body - full of unnecessary baggage”.

  • LovelyLittleJay
    33 points Nov 07,2019, 3:06am

    Why was this reuploaded? That picture wasn’t her actual photo, it was a drawing.

  • pillsandashes
    35 points Nov 07,2019, 6:27am

    "Starvation mode" LOL

  • BlackCaaaaat
    24 points Nov 07,2019, 6:14am

    Yet some of them make their entire identities about being fat/Fat Acceptance/Body Positivity.

  • LemonDevourer
    45 points Nov 07,2019, 4:51am

    Aside from vegan/vegetarian, I've never seen anyone use their diet to describe themselves, does that even happen?

  • freetherabbit
    16 points Nov 07,2019, 6:52am

    See things like this bother me cause when you first get into dieting, talking about it and talking about your progress is a great motivator. Like I get it can be annoying but at least its helping this person continue a healthier choice for their life.

  • UltraFab
    17 points Nov 07,2019, 8:14am

    I don't know who needs to hear this but being fat isn't a personality trait either 🤷‍♀️

  • Hoju3942
    50 points Nov 07,2019, 7:50am

    "I'm a fat fierce babe" ok but do you have any hobbies that don't include sending your body into a diabetic coma?

  • IvanNackarov
    10 points Nov 07,2019, 8:23am

    Imagine having "fat" as a personality trait. Blimey!

  • ebUK68
    10 points Nov 07,2019, 8:18am

    To be fair, both of those types of people are annoying. Anyone who defines themselves by one trait is probably annoying

  • bzmore
    24 points Nov 07,2019, 4:25am

    Except for the starvation mode nonsense, I kinda agree. "Hi, I'm bzmore, low fat, high-protein, moderate carbs".

  • plum_curculio
    8 points Nov 07,2019, 9:18am

    I don't understand why people self identify as things like "local fat girl" or "fierce fatty."

    Congrats on being in denial that your body is at a higher risk of numerous ailments and diseases?

    I've never seen a thin person who self identifies as "local thin girl" or "fierce thinny" online.

  • prettyradical
    14 points Nov 07,2019, 5:57am

    Overalls enthusiast?

    Okay then. I mean, I wouldn’t call my diet a personality trait (like, extroverted or high energy) but how I eat might be part of what someone might want to know about me. I am not an overalls enthusiast, for example. But I do practice IF, am mostly paleo, love hiking in the woods, and enjoy filmmaking. Shrug.

  • thelaughingmansghost
    6 points Nov 07,2019, 6:20am

    Dieting is like a lifestyle change though, it can be pretty consuming when you're just starting and when you're also helping others too.

  • psxpetey
    7 points Nov 07,2019, 7:18am

    They always say starvation lmao I remember boogie used to say this shit when he’d attempt dieting.

  • letitfckingsnow
    6 points Nov 07,2019, 8:49am

    I used to live in her city and sadly women like this are EVERYWHERE

  • colossalJinx
    5 points Nov 07,2019, 9:00am

    nono, it’s simple.

    ‘fat’ is an personal identity. but shh it’s not a choice though, you’re born with it!however, pursuing a lifestyle change that affects you daily is totally irrelevant to your life & sense of being!🤷🏻‍♂️

  • MonjiSlayer
    6 points Nov 07,2019, 9:54am

    That is such a MPLS person.

  • nifer317
    13 points Nov 07,2019, 4:20am

    I follow a keto way of eating and it’s the opposite of starvation for me and for most people. That poor dear could be happier if she’d only do a little bit of reading..

  • arlomilano
    4 points Nov 07,2019, 9:09am

    Hey mom, I know you're on keto for your epilepsy but this rando on the internet says you're in starvation mode.

    For real, this tweet could have had substance until that.

  • deleted
    11 points Nov 07,2019, 9:49am

    [removed]

  • bowlineonabight
    3 points Nov 07,2019, 10:35am

    Maybe you could just learn how to have a mature type of conversation. Then, when people bring up things you aren't particularly interested in, you can acknowlege them and then politely redirect the conversation onto more interesting topics, or just excuse yourself and find someone else to talk to. Believe it or not, not every conversational topic is going to a) interest you, b) be about you, c) pander to your own beliefs, d) affirm your own awesomeness or infallibility.

  • Ohheywhatehoh
    3 points Nov 07,2019, 11:54am

    She's kind of right lol, your diet isn't a personality trait but some people let it become who they are overall... HOWEVER, it's not necessary to point out and who the fuck cares? Let people live their lives how they want too... dieting or whatever thing you're doing is apart of a lifestyle, not a personality trait and there's nothing wrong with having a healthy lifestyle.

    If you're fat, ok. If you're skinny, ok but we all should aim to improve ourselves in whatever way we need to, no?

  • dascrivener
    3 points Nov 07,2019, 11:56am

    Can we stop with the “I don’t know who needs to hear this, but...”? Just say what you want to say. Adding the intro just makes the speaker seem like a preening ass.

  • deleted
    3 points Nov 07,2019, 1:01pm

    [removed]

  • redNOexcuses
    7 points Nov 07,2019, 7:45am

    yeah but keto fanatics are not only extremely annoying, but they're wrong as well about nearly all of their health claims

  • deleted
    13 points Nov 07,2019, 7:02am

    [removed]

  • Kartarsh
    2 points Nov 07,2019, 8:31am

    Hey! I thought I was the local far girl in Mpls. This bitch...

  • devedander
    2 points Nov 07,2019, 11:16am

    Yes one of them is asking non loaded questions!

  • StayWildHeathenChild
    2 points Nov 07,2019, 12:30pm

    What the fuck is an mpls?

    Being fat isn't a personality trait either, hun.

  • riggatoniligamentoni
    2 points Nov 07,2019, 1:32pm

    I rarely see people who aren’t overweight wearing overalls... coincidence?

  • deleted
    8 points Nov 07,2019, 5:35am

    [removed]

  • froggie-style-meme
    2 points Nov 07,2019, 1:24pm

    Thats not how keto works, dumbass.

  • deleted
    -2 points Nov 07,2019, 3:02am

    [removed]

  • doctor_why
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 2:49pm

    Why the hell does she have to do my city like this?

  • MtnNerd
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 3:20pm

    To be fair I have met some people who's personality I would describe as "They are vegan/keto/etc" Talking about dieting is fine but they just never stop.

    BTW one of my favorite things about CICO is that I almost never have to tell a friend "I can't eat at this restaurant because they don't have things that fit my diet." It's such a drag when you have to spend a half hour looking for a place to eat because someone has dietary restrictions.

  • lrkr526
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 1:24pm

    and of course she brings up "starvation mode"

  • froggie-style-meme
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 1:24pm

    Also theres no such thing as starvation mode, just starvation.

  • RanchRelaxo
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 1:40pm

    Overalls enthusiast? I’m sorry but every obese person I have seen wearing overalls looks like a giant toddler.

    It’s not a good look on anyone.

  • feraxil
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 2:08pm

    keto =/= starvation mode.

    Also, 'starvation mode' is a ridiculous myth.

  • shinynewcharrcar
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 3:06pm

    I feel like there is no winning with this chick. XD

COMMENTS

  • NewVerses
    486 points Nov 07,2019, 4:27am

    Losing weight (I hate the term "dieting") says a lot about me. It says I was able to recognize I had a problem, and had the discipline and the self-love required to solve them. This bit of extra planning has not made my relationship with food any worse - eating generally better has actually allowed me to work little by little on the guilt I associate with unhealthy food.

    The fact none of this are positives for FAs says more about them than they realize.

  • synalgo_12
    194 points Nov 07,2019, 4:17am

    Because overalls are a hobby/personality trait?

  • thenikeclause
    488 points Nov 07,2019, 3:31am

    $5 says this illustrator has at least one "disney princess but ReAlIsTiC" drawing in her body of work.

  • redmaster_28273
    96 points Nov 07,2019, 5:15am

    Being skinny isn't a personality trait........but being fat is?

  • CuriousStellar
    134 points Nov 07,2019, 4:39am

    Ugh I remember being like that.

    No, hon, stuffing your body with junk and refusing to get up from the couch is not a personality either.

  • Master_McKnowledge
    89 points Nov 07,2019, 3:56am

    Maybe it’s accurate. “My personality is like my body - full of unnecessary baggage”.

  • LovelyLittleJay
    33 points Nov 07,2019, 3:06am

    Why was this reuploaded? That picture wasn’t her actual photo, it was a drawing.

  • pillsandashes
    35 points Nov 07,2019, 6:27am

    "Starvation mode" LOL

  • BlackCaaaaat
    24 points Nov 07,2019, 6:14am

    Yet some of them make their entire identities about being fat/Fat Acceptance/Body Positivity.

  • LemonDevourer
    45 points Nov 07,2019, 4:51am

    Aside from vegan/vegetarian, I've never seen anyone use their diet to describe themselves, does that even happen?

  • freetherabbit
    16 points Nov 07,2019, 6:52am

    See things like this bother me cause when you first get into dieting, talking about it and talking about your progress is a great motivator. Like I get it can be annoying but at least its helping this person continue a healthier choice for their life.

  • UltraFab
    17 points Nov 07,2019, 8:14am

    I don't know who needs to hear this but being fat isn't a personality trait either 🤷‍♀️

  • Hoju3942
    50 points Nov 07,2019, 7:50am

    "I'm a fat fierce babe" ok but do you have any hobbies that don't include sending your body into a diabetic coma?

  • IvanNackarov
    10 points Nov 07,2019, 8:23am

    Imagine having "fat" as a personality trait. Blimey!

  • ebUK68
    10 points Nov 07,2019, 8:18am

    To be fair, both of those types of people are annoying. Anyone who defines themselves by one trait is probably annoying

  • bzmore
    24 points Nov 07,2019, 4:25am

    Except for the starvation mode nonsense, I kinda agree. "Hi, I'm bzmore, low fat, high-protein, moderate carbs".

  • plum_curculio
    8 points Nov 07,2019, 9:18am

    I don't understand why people self identify as things like "local fat girl" or "fierce fatty."

    Congrats on being in denial that your body is at a higher risk of numerous ailments and diseases?

    I've never seen a thin person who self identifies as "local thin girl" or "fierce thinny" online.

  • prettyradical
    14 points Nov 07,2019, 5:57am

    Overalls enthusiast?

    Okay then. I mean, I wouldn’t call my diet a personality trait (like, extroverted or high energy) but how I eat might be part of what someone might want to know about me. I am not an overalls enthusiast, for example. But I do practice IF, am mostly paleo, love hiking in the woods, and enjoy filmmaking. Shrug.

  • thelaughingmansghost
    6 points Nov 07,2019, 6:20am

    Dieting is like a lifestyle change though, it can be pretty consuming when you're just starting and when you're also helping others too.

  • psxpetey
    7 points Nov 07,2019, 7:18am

    They always say starvation lmao I remember boogie used to say this shit when he’d attempt dieting.

  • letitfckingsnow
    6 points Nov 07,2019, 8:49am

    I used to live in her city and sadly women like this are EVERYWHERE

  • colossalJinx
    5 points Nov 07,2019, 9:00am

    nono, it’s simple.

    ‘fat’ is an personal identity. but shh it’s not a choice though, you’re born with it!however, pursuing a lifestyle change that affects you daily is totally irrelevant to your life & sense of being!🤷🏻‍♂️

  • MonjiSlayer
    6 points Nov 07,2019, 9:54am

    That is such a MPLS person.

  • nifer317
    13 points Nov 07,2019, 4:20am

    I follow a keto way of eating and it’s the opposite of starvation for me and for most people. That poor dear could be happier if she’d only do a little bit of reading..

  • arlomilano
    4 points Nov 07,2019, 9:09am

    Hey mom, I know you're on keto for your epilepsy but this rando on the internet says you're in starvation mode.

    For real, this tweet could have had substance until that.

  • deleted
    11 points Nov 07,2019, 9:49am

    [removed]

  • bowlineonabight
    3 points Nov 07,2019, 10:35am

    Maybe you could just learn how to have a mature type of conversation. Then, when people bring up things you aren't particularly interested in, you can acknowlege them and then politely redirect the conversation onto more interesting topics, or just excuse yourself and find someone else to talk to. Believe it or not, not every conversational topic is going to a) interest you, b) be about you, c) pander to your own beliefs, d) affirm your own awesomeness or infallibility.

  • Ohheywhatehoh
    3 points Nov 07,2019, 11:54am

    She's kind of right lol, your diet isn't a personality trait but some people let it become who they are overall... HOWEVER, it's not necessary to point out and who the fuck cares? Let people live their lives how they want too... dieting or whatever thing you're doing is apart of a lifestyle, not a personality trait and there's nothing wrong with having a healthy lifestyle.

    If you're fat, ok. If you're skinny, ok but we all should aim to improve ourselves in whatever way we need to, no?

  • dascrivener
    3 points Nov 07,2019, 11:56am

    Can we stop with the “I don’t know who needs to hear this, but...”? Just say what you want to say. Adding the intro just makes the speaker seem like a preening ass.

  • deleted
    3 points Nov 07,2019, 1:01pm

    [removed]

  • redNOexcuses
    7 points Nov 07,2019, 7:45am

    yeah but keto fanatics are not only extremely annoying, but they're wrong as well about nearly all of their health claims

  • deleted
    13 points Nov 07,2019, 7:02am

    [removed]

  • Kartarsh
    2 points Nov 07,2019, 8:31am

    Hey! I thought I was the local far girl in Mpls. This bitch...

  • devedander
    2 points Nov 07,2019, 11:16am

    Yes one of them is asking non loaded questions!

  • StayWildHeathenChild
    2 points Nov 07,2019, 12:30pm

    What the fuck is an mpls?

    Being fat isn't a personality trait either, hun.

  • riggatoniligamentoni
    2 points Nov 07,2019, 1:32pm

    I rarely see people who aren’t overweight wearing overalls... coincidence?

  • deleted
    8 points Nov 07,2019, 5:35am

    [removed]

  • froggie-style-meme
    2 points Nov 07,2019, 1:24pm

    Thats not how keto works, dumbass.

  • deleted
    -2 points Nov 07,2019, 3:02am

    [removed]

  • doctor_why
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 2:49pm

    Why the hell does she have to do my city like this?

  • MtnNerd
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 3:20pm

    To be fair I have met some people who's personality I would describe as "They are vegan/keto/etc" Talking about dieting is fine but they just never stop.

    BTW one of my favorite things about CICO is that I almost never have to tell a friend "I can't eat at this restaurant because they don't have things that fit my diet." It's such a drag when you have to spend a half hour looking for a place to eat because someone has dietary restrictions.

  • lrkr526
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 1:24pm

    and of course she brings up "starvation mode"

  • froggie-style-meme
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 1:24pm

    Also theres no such thing as starvation mode, just starvation.

  • RanchRelaxo
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 1:40pm

    Overalls enthusiast? I’m sorry but every obese person I have seen wearing overalls looks like a giant toddler.

    It’s not a good look on anyone.

  • feraxil
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 2:08pm

    keto =/= starvation mode.

    Also, 'starvation mode' is a ridiculous myth.

  • shinynewcharrcar
    1 points Nov 07,2019, 3:06pm

    I feel like there is no winning with this chick. XD