A fair number of women have noticed it, as well.Complaining that women seem to become caricatures of the worst aspects of masculine energy. They prove their Independence by picking fights, cursing just to curse, dressing down (think grunge culture, with actual dirty clothes), trying to be as formless and unfeminine as possible. Instead of a "take no shit" attitude, they give no shits who they step on of how they offend - like an arrogant teenager picking fights. I had thought it was "The Rise of Raunch Culture," but that doesn't seem to have the whole story in it. That was 14 years ago, too. It hasn't gotten better.
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so we can give it to a homeless or lonely person this Christmas.a safe space for women and children
so we can give it to a homeless or lonely person this Christmas.
a safe space for women and children
Considering the percentage of men in homeless people... they're missing something here.
Why would you donate to a church that has a CEO?
Local Salvation Army got closed down due to dishonesty. I wouldn’t give them anything regardless. They help to destroy a kids life’s by taking sides, where I am these people are duty bound to report any allegations to police who then notify child services and any other applicable services. You would not know how underhanded these people are unless you have been through it. Completely sexist and often they are harbouring the real abusers and set out a path where the children are stuck with an abusive mother.
I've emailed them.
It's funny how once men reach "adulthood" they suddenly lose their ability to experience injustice, and women of all ages are incapable of being anything but a victim.
Unfortunately, the Salvation Army is the only place around me that I can donate my old clothes to that wont just put them on a shelf and resell them. I am extremely morally opposed to giving my clothes to Goodwill because I dont like the idea of someone making free money off of my stuff. That just sounds crooked and criminal.
At least the Salvation Army would give my clothes to people who need them. I also have a few stuffed toys that I want to donate. I am also morally opposed to groups who only help women such as Branches. Women get so much free stuff in this day and age, I dont want my clothes to be yet another thing they just get handed to them.
Disqualified from a long list of worthy institutions appealing for donations. This is the corrosive effect the feminist narrative has had on our society.
Fuck the Salvation Army. They're homophobic, transphobic bigots.
Not to mention the extensive history they have of actively discriminating against the LGBT+ community in ways that are blatantly unchristian and give the rest of us a bad name.
I ignore them when they are rattling Collection tins as they are anti gay but so hypocritical because they would accept my homosexual money if I offered it 😡
Let’s also not forget that they literally let a trans man freeze to death outside.
You should never donate to the salvation army.
Don’t. They pocket a lot of the money, steal from the people they claim to help, and use every excuse possible to not help someone.
My mom keeps asking if I want to donate to some random homeless shelter “for women who had to leave an abusive boyfriend/husband”
but nobody cares about men who had to leave an abusive girlfriend/wife
Side note: I don't like the term "toxic masculinity", what feminists claim to describe it as should just be called "sexism" instead. But I saw this comment and thought it was very good.
I hate the term toxic masculinity in the first place and we should not use it
The term toxic masculinity is a gendered slur by feminists. We have asked them to stop using it and they refuse.
On the other hand, there is no toxic femininity according to feminists because women have no agency and are therefore not responsible for their actions. ( according to feminists.)
In movies and books you'll find the same things. Men typically write male characters who are far more emotional, vulnerable, and less sexual than women who write male characters. Women write male characters, especially in romance novels which represent their ideal males, as constantly on the verge of punching some guy, wanting to crack his skull, if he thinks the guy is a rival for the woman's affection. If some guy hurts her or tries to hurt her, his response should always be lethal violence. Maybe she persuades him not to, but it's essential that he wanted and was capable of killing the guy. He'll probably cry at some point, but it can only be because the girl was at death's door or he thought she was going to leave him, but it can only be about his feelings for her. He's usually emotionally distant and kind of an arrogant jerk... until she becomes his one soft spot. And he's constantly springing boners over her slightest actions and most of the time thinks of her in a sexual way. He's uber controlling and possessive, always bringing up how she is "his".
This usually comes from some fem nazi , claiming they are speaking on behalf of all women, which they are not, and claiming they do pisses off the majority of women I know. These are the regular, basically level-headed, type of women we know and love, not the ones that are always on alert for the slightest thing they can manufacture in to what they will claim as another case of how poorly society treats their gender. And we've been duped into giving them this platform by the media. These are the ones that are causing way more harm than good by speaking out on issues, that are mostly their over sensitivity, claiming there is a problem, when it only exist in their head. Most people don't view the world with this tint, they are too busy just keeping up with life's daily bullshit. They need to visit some of the Middle Eastern countries that I've spent time in to see real oppression of women.
So much true
Sometimes I wish I was was homosexual. Not even kidding. Less drama.
After reading this, I had a question: what the fuck is Toxic Masculinity anyway?
According to Wikipedia:
... Toxic masculinity is thus defined by adherence to traditional male gender roles that restrict the kinds of emotions allowable for boys and men to express, including social expectations that men seek to be dominant (the "alpha male") and limit their emotional range primarily to expressions of anger.
So, apparently women are telling us to stop being so strong and to start being more emotional and show our vulnerable sides?
Except doing that is a friggin' death sentence lol. No woman (read, almost all women) do not want a man like this.
They're asking for one thing, but expecting another thing.
It's insane. WTF do they want? The answer is: who cares. Just be the best you you can be, and be happy with yourself. Treat everyone with respect. The end.
And sure, guys who perpetuate toxic masculinity also exist. But generally, that is because they
have been repeatedly validated by women over the course of their lives when they display that behavior. It's clearly very attractive.
I would agree with most of this, except the very first sentence. Toxic masculinity does not exist. The rest is a great description of why some of the negative gender roles men are forced into continue to persist. In my life experiences, men have no problem expressing emotions with each other. We all learn not to do that in front of women. Women who complain they don't see men being emotional are simply women who do not have any man who trusts them enough.
This is very well said.
I used to be an emotional guy. Women taught me that you’ll get nowhere if you aren’t tough as nails.
this is why gay men often don’t suffer from the effects of toxic masculinity, because they don’t have any potential female partners to impress or girlfriends to worry about judging them. it’s a shame though that because of it the stereotype is that all gay men are feminine and act like women do, just for being comfortable in their masculinity and letting their emotions show openly. it really does suck that society associates emotions with being feminine. like whenever i tell someone i’m gay they never believe me at first because i’m a traditionally masculine man, kinda getting tired of it honestly. stereotypes and toxic masculinity/femininity ain’t good for nobody.
i cried because a girl beat me up at school. my male friends all supported me and there was only ONE female supported me. (except teachers)
People are downvoting this post a lot. Seems like they dont like the truth.
Here's a little thought experiment I came up with a while ago pertaining to the idea of Toxic Masculinity."
It's fine for women to be unattracted to men who show weakness and vulnerability... that shit is hardwired in and they don't have a choice about it.
But, as a general rule of life, do not struggle to create that which is loathsome to you.
In other words, stop telling men that you want them to be less tough and stoic, when in reality you will do everything you can to punish them for that very thing.
It may look "woke" when you are saying it (which is why you do it), but it just makes you look like a hypocritical cunt when your actions inevitably fail to agree with your words.
Well, it also has some actual research to back it up.
Turns out mums push what is considered 'toxic' masculinity, not fathers.
That 'unpaid emotional labour' shit really ticks me off. Its called having empathy, being a human, sorry its so inconvenient...sheesh. Women's brains are meant to be better wired for that stuff, but so many people seem to want them to just complain about it. Maybe men should bring up all the unpaid physical labour and maintenance we tend to do. Overwhelmingly, you will not hear any complaints.
I'm sure this person got downvoted to shit, but they make great points.
Posts like this hammer home to me just how lucky I am to have found my wife. She’s supportive and encouraging and allows me to be “weak” at times. She’s never even called it weakness. I dated plenty of the women this post speaks of. They’re fucking cancer
Where's the original post that I go upvote this brilliant guy?
This is super fascinating and a perspective that I haven't thought about much but it is totally prevalent in every day life
Why can't we just call it toxic behaviour from now on?
Some people have toxic behaviour. Some are men, some are women. Some are white people, some are black people.
It's a HUMAN problem, but to be more specific, it's a narcissistic problem.
Toxic = narcissism. They're the same thing, and it applies to all genders, all sexualities, all races, all nationalities, etc.
In fact, the best way to understand the problem with humans is through the 'Tale of the Two Wolves'
An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy. “It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.” He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.” The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?” The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”
An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy. “It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.”
He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.”
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”
The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”
No, this is a terrible rebuttal, by even acknowledging the concept of toxic masculinity he has already given ground to feminists and conceded the idea that masculinity itself is a bad thing. This is why I'm ranting so much lately about the 'men can't express themselves crap' this is what feminists view as 'positive' masculinity and then anything they don't like even if they rely on it and it's beneficial to mankind is written off as 'toxic masculinity'
I have seen many people on this sub really fucking up in this area and falling for feminists' bullshit. Don't, you guys normally do so well on other topics but you can't even seem to defend your own identity as men and it's like you're just giving up and letting these emotionless sociopaths dictate to you.
Feminists do not consider any genuine masculinity positive, they're trying to tear us all down and make men in general feel shit about themselves just for being men. There is also the fact that they don't acknowledge that women can be just as bad as men when it comes to the things they're describing and again. You're playing into their narrative that women can do no wrong if you go along with this toxic masculinity bullshit.
My last girlfriend was 2 years ago. She is a psychologist. I met her online and she seemed awesome. Met her in person and I was so relieved to have found a lovely girl who was smart, thoughtful and above all, kind... Until I started opening up to her. It was like crack to her. The more vulnerable I got, the more she got turned on. I think it was our third date or something and we went to a little spot to chat and she essentially forcibly extracted what had happened to me as a kid and the court judgment 7 years ago where my abuser was let off the hook for no real reason apart from a (female) judge who deemed years of evidence as not substantial enough.
I momentarily cried while revealing the injustice of it all. A big dude, crying. Her response? Sexual. Kissing, groping, getting hot and heavy... I still don't quite know whether it was conscious or subconscious, but my psycho analysis at the time was that she liked being more powerful than me, and that opportunity came by upsetting me. Surprisingly, it didn't work out.
Be a man in the sheets, not in the street.
Ouch. The bit about being bi makes this particularly hard to argue with - this guy’s got experience of both side of the fence (so to speak) and so can compare.
Goddamn every time I see a post like this I am reminded of how great my wife is. Literally just yesterday we were decorating our tree and the holidays are hard for me since my dad died two years ago last week. I helped get the decorations out of storage and handed them to her while she mostly decorated. I told her I was doing alright but having a slightly difficult time and she came over and hugged me and told me it's okay and she appreciated me helping how I could.
Just to add my two cents, women aren't the only ones who enforce this type of behavior (repressing emotions) many men do it as well. I was bullied by other guys when I was a kid because I was fat/smart/nerdy/showed emotions and that didnt stop until I confronted them "like a man". I ran into a couple of those guys later on when i was in college and their excuse was that they were trying to "toughen me up" and that they left me alone because I had "manned up". During the time I was bullied and even now later in life I've found more solace and acceptance for expressing my emotions from women than men. I still see that bullying mentality from men in adulthood and have been exposed more to women who do the same thing. Therr will always be assholes and that personality knows no gender.
I'm sorry but most females are chill with you being emotional, it's not winning the lottery, and I find it disingenuous to say something like that, rest of the post fire tho
Toxic Masculinity basically just refers to the trait of any man who disagrees with a woman. This is also what Mansplaining is.
He got suspended by the twitter censors for this comment.
lmao ah styx
I have a question. I'm not asking to be confrontational or to make a point, legitimately curious.
Does being circumcised ever make a man feel like less of a man? Especially if maybe they had their foreskin for most of their life and then got Phimosis or something like that and had to have it removed? I've never thought about it, but I imagine it would totally be a thing. Anyone know or have experience themselves?
Asking, because women usually associate their breasts with femininity. I lost a lot of weight recently and my breasts got smaller and it kind of make me feel a bit self-conscious. They were massive before, and now they are just big, so it's probably better for my back and stuff, but it just makes me feel less feminine.
Maybe they should have their labia chopped off too, you know because cleanliness.
Not knowing anything about breast cancer... does chopping off the breasts actually prevent it?
This is an excellent point. The problem is Americans view the foreskin as ugly, dirty, bacteria infested, cancer prone, "problem waiting to happen" organ that should be removed as soon as possible after birth. We need to educate Americans that the intact penis is normal, healthy and important to a man's full sexual experience and lifelong protection of the penis.
Go to the Midwest or the South and the response is "breasts have a function, foreskin has no function so cutting it off has benefits like preventing future problems"
what's sad is that even within this sub, there's people supporting MGM
Male circumcision is horrible and needs to stop, but I don't think this gender-swapping thing is the way to make that point. It actually just distracts from the issue. Not everybody is great at spotting hyperbole and satire. Not everybody has a great sense of humor. I wouldn't have gotten this is meant to be hyperbole if I saw it out in the wild. I'd just be feeling outraged by the idea that anyone wants to forcibly remove women's breasts (I literally never get the joke. I take everything seriously. I'm the idiot always responding seriously to shitposts). My point is, I wouldn't be thinking about male circumcision at all. I'd be outraged over this made-up misogyny.
What actually made me take the issue of male circumcision seriously was learning the backstory behind Die Antwoord's song "Evil Boy." A friend of the duo (the black guy who raps in Xhosa) was trying to get out of a tribal man-hood ritual where teenage boys are circumsized by tribe elders. He didn't want to do it because several boys had died of infections the previous year. It's believed in his tribe that if he went uncircumsized he'd be gay or evil. Hence the line "Evil boy for life." Anyway, creative expressions like that are just a lot more persuasive in my mind than hyperbole or satire, because when people miss the joke they often miss the point.
Well, I think the difference is that breasts can be used to nurse, and therefore are quite useful.
How about we just stop fucking touching our kids genitals so much?
There is no argument to support circumcision at birth. Savage and primitive thing to do to a child.
The equivalent of circumcision on women would be cutting their clitoris off, not their breasts.
Obviously we shouldn't do this but it does put things into good perspective.
It wouldn't be that close to 0%, male breast cancer would still exist, despite nobody ever talking about it. I don't seem to be able to find numbers for how many breast cancer cases are in men though.
I think a better way to look at it is would you get your kids appendix cut out to eliminate the risk of appendicitis? No? Then don't cut any part of a child's body off.Would you get your kids teeth pulled rather than teach them how to clean them properly to avoid infection?
They sound the same🤣 "let's cut your dick off JUST INCASE you get something that's EASILY CURED with antibiotics"
But I like titties
Jimmies were rustled.
My boy stxy speaking truth love his channel.
Fuck that I love tiddies
Slight but also big problem as to why this is idiotic... breast feeding. Breasts have a purpose.
Men can get away without a foreskin and the human population (without artificial intervention... aka without bottle feeding) would still survive.
His argument is invalid. Its chopping off two different things.
I understand the point but seeing that a large percentage of women have children, and many of them will breast feeding, the mastectomy for a possible chance of breast cancer is not supported. And given that the real chance is far from 1/3 but actually 1/8, the rationale makes less sense. And given that 83% of breast cancer patients survive 10 years, it makes even less sense. That being said, there is no medical reason I am aware of for elective circumcision.
I am against circumcision but it's not done for medical benefits, is it? I thoughts it was cultural/aesthetic. Both stupid reasons, but they are not medical reasons.
Yeah it would be seen as normal just like male circumcision. Most American women are freaked out by the appearance of an uncircumcised penis because they're very uncommon here. I'm not too thrilled about their appearance myself.
I’m just wondering, why do people care about men being circumcised? I was circumcised when I was born and I’ve never really cared. Is there some kind of benefit to having your foreskin? Or is it just that some people want the choice? I don’t know
Edit: wow those downvotes sure answered my question
This is one of the biggest bullshits I’ve ever read
Ah yes, cutting off entire breasts is the same as cutting of a bit of skin.
I certainly don’t agree with circumsision and it should be banned.
I don’t want to say this comparison is retarded, but it is fucking retarded.
Counter point: everyone loves boobs. No one likes smegma or turtlenecks.
Nice bait lol, sorry but these waters are all fished out.
Except that men can also get breast cancer, it's less likely, but it most definitely can happen. Despite the post being about the comparison of the ugly unfortunate thing of mastectomy to circumcision, a hot topic on here, they couldn't even get their facts straight on that.
Edit: yo people, this is bringing up another issue regarding men that the post wrongly assumes regarding breast cancer.
IIRC circumcision actually has health benefits especially for men who are sexually active.
How many times do people gotta tell you that if you decide not to do it, that’s your right. But if others decide too, that’s theirs. Stop being like feminists and shoving your opinions down the throats of everyone........
1 in 3? Sounds a little high.
it's much simpler than that. women who breastfeed are less likely to have cancer. the women in todays society are chemically castrated to prevent pregnancy, and those who do get pregnant dump their offspring off with strangers at daycare while they go to work for strangers, where regular breastfeeding by the mom is not possible.
free women from their lives of forced servitude to the 1%, and let them be mothers again and live actual healthy lifestyles instead of spending their existence out as corporate serfs. This is the real problem
The circumcision is for your hygiene, isn't it?
Fuck off. I love boobs.
This shit is insane. Are we ironically advocating mutilating someone? Breasts are a functional part of the body, foreskin isn't.
This is not gender equality at any point, it's just human hating. The important fights are on rights, work and family not having your breasts chopped off.
Styx's response video to the tweet and the suspension:
Gender minority would be men since there are much fewer on campus these days.
Edit: Advocating for gender minorities would be a clever ploy for MRM groups on campus.
Too bad for her, i self identify as a woman since 10 seconds ago.
Title IX. Report her.
In the UK in 2018 there were 32.79 million men and 33.65 million women. In the US, 159.41 million men and 165.92 million women. Men are a gender minority. By her prescription, the invitation would be modified to read “the lunch is for women and men”, which sounds quite jolly, actually.
Something slightly similar happened to me while I was an undergraduate as well. There was one major professor who advocated to remove male students from the English Department. She wanted all men removed but she wasn't a Ph.D. and some of the male professors were so she didn't have the respect or authority to actually do anything. But she did have the ability to give her male students a failing grade and tell them to "Get out of my major" and that is exactly what she did.
I would just "reply all" with links showing that men are the "gender minority" and watch her head explode.
To resolve the gender imbalance, the lunches in the university will be reserved exclusively for female candidates for the next 6 months. This is positive discrimination and is encouraged by the government.
TU/e representative for midday nutrition. /s
I like how a minority makes up around half the population
Sounds like a lunch for only men, as women are not a gender minority... why would they be there?
Anything that dilutes the narrative....
This has to be satire. How sick must one's mind be to have views like this
Those laws are so predatory holy shit
I still find it baffling that "best interests of the child" doesn't consider the morality of forcing a minor into indentured servitude to the state. If you read the actual legal decision in the case that set this precedent (Hermesmann v. Seyer), the idea that men should not be forced to work themselves to death, even as boys who do not yet have the right to vote, was something that didn't even cross the minds of the judges. Let that sink in if you still wonder how much society looks down on men and dismisses them as disposable tools that are easily replaced.
So basically: Never have one night stands, never have sex with a woman that shows red flags, and never have sex if you’re even 1% sure you don’t want kids.
Can you copy-paste the text of the post here?
Every young man needs a copy of this when they start high school.
Fuck this earth
800 a month will lower the birth rate.
They should talk about the mother’s financial obligations too...
Wouldn’t take much space on the page.
Child support is fucking stupid. YOU have to PAY for a child YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR no matter what. I'm glad im gay so i don't have to worry about this shit.
choice of character, as is having sex outside marriage
otherwise, it seems like solid info
This is why I have sex with guys
Thank you very much, this is very informative.
Saved this post. This is critical information.
Man, so many of these are fucking archaic. Even just the first one, up to 18% interest yearly, holy fucking shit, a goddamned loan shark gives you better rates than that.
I wonder, under, 'if the girlfriend gets pregnant and wants an abortion, can i stop it?' It says sex outside of marriage is the..factor, I guess. Does that mean if your wife gets pregnant with your child there are ground to stop the abortion?
In any case, these would be good for young men to know, as having sex can be a ridiculous risk. Unfortunately as it states, even being raped as a minor, you get completely screwed over.
This is interesting but I'mma need citations on some of that.
Lol wear a fucking condom
Sex was a lot simpler not even a decade ago. Everyone growing up now might as well wear a chastity belt
Why have a kid when you can’t even afford spending $300 on it?
Jesus H. Christ. Circumcisions might be the worst humans rights violation in western developed countries. It's systematic and normalized.
Great! Then it's understood feminism is an exclusive gender supremacist ideology that morally warrants an equally aggressive counterpart to highlight and combat its injustices. Women's issues are no concern of mine, individually or collectively.
Feminism is an ideology of sexism and hate.
MensLib is mostly gay men and FTM trans.
I'm the red commenter. Every. Single. Person who said "it's the parent's choice" was female. So disgusting that we demand. bodily autonomy while simultaneously depriving our sons of it.
And if you said anything about mutilating your daughter, you would be a monster..
Italian here. Basically no one is circumcised in my country.
Girls "touch our shit" just fine.
I'm in the UK where most guys aren't circumcised, and the women here certainly don't mind at all.
America is a bit delusional on circumcision.
Wow...do it because its cleaner, a classic bullshit response. When they're a kid, clean them, when they're older, they can do it themselves. Don't be so fucking lazy.
It will make them gay because not many women will want to touch that. MOST of the world is uncircumcised and humanity marches on. Sounds like she just wants her preference imposed onto children.
I was told you can't "make" someone gay. And if you can, does that mean you can also "re-educate" someone to be back to straight? So many questions...
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