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Is this not what child support is for?

Men's Rights :: Advocating for the social and legal equality of men and boys since 2008

COMMENTS

  • fgrsentinel
    7 points May 23,2019, 1:08pm

    Because if a man has sex with 100 women once, there's a decent chance he doesn't get more than 5-6 pregnant. If a woman has sex with 100 men once, there's a near certainty that she'll get pregnant. The only way the man can get 100 women pregnant is if they all just so happen to be at the time of their cycle where they're able to get pregnant.

    That, and men will be forced to pay child support regardless of if they wanted the kid or not, so what man with a brain would have sex with 100 women a year?

  • XavierMalory
    3 points May 23,2019, 12:06pm

    "So why exactly are we only talking about regulating women?"

    Well Duh!

    Because Vagina.

    Because women are majority of voters.

    Because (in general) no one (men or women) gives a shit about men.

  • tenchineuro
    2 points May 23,2019, 4:00pm

    We regulate everybody endlessly already.

  • Fortspucking
    1 points May 23,2019, 6:35pm

    This is what critical thinking is for. CT101: False equivalency.

  • mensmod
    1 points May 23,2019, 1:14pm

    Well, men are already regulated with child support. But this does bring up a really good point. If legal paternal surrender does get legalized, then there is going to be a big push for other regulation of men's sperm. I wouldn't be surprised if sex with deception regarding the use of contraceptives by men would be a much bigger crime.

COMMENTS

  • fgrsentinel
    7 points May 23,2019, 1:08pm

    Because if a man has sex with 100 women once, there's a decent chance he doesn't get more than 5-6 pregnant. If a woman has sex with 100 men once, there's a near certainty that she'll get pregnant. The only way the man can get 100 women pregnant is if they all just so happen to be at the time of their cycle where they're able to get pregnant.

    That, and men will be forced to pay child support regardless of if they wanted the kid or not, so what man with a brain would have sex with 100 women a year?

  • XavierMalory
    3 points May 23,2019, 12:06pm

    "So why exactly are we only talking about regulating women?"

    Well Duh!

    Because Vagina.

    Because women are majority of voters.

    Because (in general) no one (men or women) gives a shit about men.

  • tenchineuro
    2 points May 23,2019, 4:00pm

    We regulate everybody endlessly already.

  • SmugsMostHated
    1 points May 23,2019, 5:28pm

    MEN ARENT REGULATED HURR DURR. Shut up Brad.

  • Fortspucking
    1 points May 23,2019, 6:35pm

    This is what critical thinking is for. CT101: False equivalency.

  • mensmod
    1 points May 23,2019, 1:14pm

    Well, men are already regulated with child support. But this does bring up a really good point. If legal paternal surrender does get legalized, then there is going to be a big push for other regulation of men's sperm. I wouldn't be surprised if sex with deception regarding the use of contraceptives by men would be a much bigger crime.

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Exactly what they asked for.

Men's Rights :: Advocating for the social and legal equality of men and boys since 2008

COMMENTS

  • Hirudin
    21 points May 22,2019, 12:15pm

    It would be interesting to see what happens if we somehow manage to tie men's right to bodily autonomy with women's right to bodily autonomy. Right to abort (to a point) with right to Legal Paternal Surrender (as discussed in this sub).

    Which will win out for Feminists.?The right to choose or the right to have one's (more limited) choices subsidized by others?

  • YuenHsiaoTieng
    13 points May 22,2019, 2:53pm

    Now that we have equality, let's give abortion rights to both instead.

  • _joesummer_
    9 points May 22,2019, 11:34am

    well i mean its a little bit different

  • obries39
    14 points May 22,2019, 11:31am

    I thought this sub was about discussing men's rights issues, not celebrating other groups losing their rights?

  • SporkTornado
    2 points May 22,2019, 3:15pm

    The Alabama heart beat bill doesn't ban abortion. As the name implies, it makes it illegal to have an abortion after the fetus has a detectable heart beat.

  • Content_Not_History
    1 points May 22,2019, 8:37pm

    Actually, they still have reproductive rights. We men don't have any.

    They have the abortion pill, birth control, adoption, leave-on-doorstep... we have nothing... so even in Alabama they have more rights.

  • fra_n_ff
    -3 points May 22,2019, 11:58am

    We want to give rights to women, not to take them away.What the hell is this.

  • Ryan64DD
    -1 points May 22,2019, 6:08pm

    This is stupid and makes the whole subreddit look stupid

COMMENTS

  • Hirudin
    21 points May 22,2019, 12:15pm

    It would be interesting to see what happens if we somehow manage to tie men's right to bodily autonomy with women's right to bodily autonomy. Right to abort (to a point) with right to Legal Paternal Surrender (as discussed in this sub).

    Which will win out for Feminists.?The right to choose or the right to have one's (more limited) choices subsidized by others?

  • YuenHsiaoTieng
    13 points May 22,2019, 2:53pm

    Now that we have equality, let's give abortion rights to both instead.

  • _joesummer_
    9 points May 22,2019, 11:34am

    well i mean its a little bit different

  • tenchineuro
    3 points May 22,2019, 4:54pm

    Can't women in Alabama still drop off their newborns at the nearest hospital or firestation if they decide they don't want to be a parent?

  • obries39
    14 points May 22,2019, 11:31am

    I thought this sub was about discussing men's rights issues, not celebrating other groups losing their rights?

  • SporkTornado
    2 points May 22,2019, 3:15pm

    The Alabama heart beat bill doesn't ban abortion. As the name implies, it makes it illegal to have an abortion after the fetus has a detectable heart beat.

  • Content_Not_History
    1 points May 22,2019, 8:37pm

    Actually, they still have reproductive rights. We men don't have any.

    They have the abortion pill, birth control, adoption, leave-on-doorstep... we have nothing... so even in Alabama they have more rights.

  • fra_n_ff
    -3 points May 22,2019, 11:58am

    We want to give rights to women, not to take them away.What the hell is this.

  • Ryan64DD
    -1 points May 22,2019, 6:08pm

    This is stupid and makes the whole subreddit look stupid

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Buddy I work with had his ex file an Order of Protection against with with a fake accusation of domestication. They took his FOID card and he isn't allowed to see his child. This was his response.

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COMMENTS

  • Ainaman
    1 points May 20,2019, 6:46pm

    Perhaps if your buddy just walks away, she will come after him with more respectful terms.Babysitters are expensive....

  • NYComrade
    1 points May 20,2019, 7:56pm

    Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

COMMENTS

  • Ainaman
    1 points May 20,2019, 6:46pm

    Perhaps if your buddy just walks away, she will come after him with more respectful terms.Babysitters are expensive....

  • NYComrade
    1 points May 20,2019, 7:56pm

    Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

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Why do these companies feel the need to be SJWs all of a sudden

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COMMENTS

  • Draggonzz
    4 points May 20,2019, 6:23pm

    And what is it with the clapping?

  • mtcapri
    2 points May 20,2019, 7:45pm

    I propose that mothers be unable to sign off on medical procedures for their sons. A male guardian's signature should be required. /s

  • CheomPongJae
    0 points May 20,2019, 6:57pm

    Oh, a cross post from the totally not horribly toxic MGTOW...

  • RogerWebb
    1 points May 20,2019, 7:53pm

    This whole "men making decisions about women's bodies" is, and always has been, a red herring. Just as many women are pro-life as men. Women helped pass it and a female governor signed it (in AL). The question is, and always has been, exclusively about whether the fetus is a person or not, regardless of one's stance on the issue. It has never had a thing to do with men controlling women.

    https://www.vox.com/2019/5/20/18629644/abortion-gender-gap-public-opinion

COMMENTS

  • Draggonzz
    4 points May 20,2019, 6:23pm

    And what is it with the clapping?

  • mtcapri
    2 points May 20,2019, 7:45pm

    I propose that mothers be unable to sign off on medical procedures for their sons. A male guardian's signature should be required. /s

  • CheomPongJae
    0 points May 20,2019, 6:57pm

    Oh, a cross post from the totally not horribly toxic MGTOW...

  • Shroomy_the_Kid
    1 points May 20,2019, 7:02pm

    Ben Shapiro destroys porn site with facts and logic minimal effort.

  • RogerWebb
    1 points May 20,2019, 7:53pm

    This whole "men making decisions about women's bodies" is, and always has been, a red herring. Just as many women are pro-life as men. Women helped pass it and a female governor signed it (in AL). The question is, and always has been, exclusively about whether the fetus is a person or not, regardless of one's stance on the issue. It has never had a thing to do with men controlling women.

    https://www.vox.com/2019/5/20/18629644/abortion-gender-gap-public-opinion

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Funny, I don't remember getting one of these emails near Mother's Day...

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COMMENTS

  • jackcos
    3 points May 19,2019, 8:06pm

    I checked my emails. No, I didn't get one near Mother's Day.

    Just a reminder to people like Thortful. I know of more people whose mothers walked out on them than their fathers. One girl growing up had her mum walk out on her... taking her sister. They were only reunited a few years later. My girlfriend's mother walked out on her at age 11, and her dad raised her through her teenage years.

    So fuck this 'Father's Day doesn't matter' bollocks.

    EDIT: It appears that some are interpreting this on Twitter as 'good, now I don't need to remember my abusive father' and SOME are interpreting this as 'good, I miss my late dad'.

    Now... it's a good idea. But without doing this for Mothers Day too it just screams 'fuck Father's Day'. Those "Happy Father's Day, Mum" adverts were bad enough.

COMMENTS

  • jackcos
    3 points May 19,2019, 8:06pm

    I checked my emails. No, I didn't get one near Mother's Day.

    Just a reminder to people like Thortful. I know of more people whose mothers walked out on them than their fathers. One girl growing up had her mum walk out on her... taking her sister. They were only reunited a few years later. My girlfriend's mother walked out on her at age 11, and her dad raised her through her teenage years.

    So fuck this 'Father's Day doesn't matter' bollocks.

    EDIT: It appears that some are interpreting this on Twitter as 'good, now I don't need to remember my abusive father' and SOME are interpreting this as 'good, I miss my late dad'.

    Now... it's a good idea. But without doing this for Mothers Day too it just screams 'fuck Father's Day'. Those "Happy Father's Day, Mum" adverts were bad enough.

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Radical feminist's hate speech gets upvoted, while anti-feminist speech gets banned or quarantined

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COMMENTS

  • ifelsedowhile
    4 points May 19,2019, 5:34pm

    I think it's a Poe subreddit

  • ChensKitchen
    4 points May 19,2019, 8:05pm

    Troll sub reddit. Ignore them

  • LionVenom10
    3 points May 19,2019, 7:55pm

    That’s a TERF subreddit, what do you expect.

COMMENTS

  • ifelsedowhile
    4 points May 19,2019, 5:34pm

    I think it's a Poe subreddit

  • ChensKitchen
    4 points May 19,2019, 8:05pm

    Troll sub reddit. Ignore them

  • LionVenom10
    3 points May 19,2019, 7:55pm

    That’s a TERF subreddit, what do you expect.

  • drbrebelo123
    4 points May 19,2019, 6:08pm

    That subreddit is propaganda and man-hating topics

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Female only and gender neutral bathrooms at Subway.

Men's Rights :: Advocating for the social and legal equality of men and boys since 2008

COMMENTS

  • Tamriels_okayest
    36 points May 18,2019, 4:14pm

    Some genders are more equal than others.

  • runner557
    26 points May 18,2019, 4:26pm

    Women can have their private spaces, but not men.

  • wallabychamp
    18 points May 18,2019, 3:57pm

    That’s some bullshit right there

  • JohnnySkidmarx
    11 points May 18,2019, 5:48pm

    Male lawyers out there, is there some type of lawsuit men could file for this discrimination?

  • Mawaukey
    10 points May 18,2019, 5:41pm

    When the only option is gender neutral, I leave the seat down and make a mess. Eventually women will get tired of piss all over the seat and start to revolt.

  • puppehplicity
    7 points May 18,2019, 6:50pm

    BuT gEnDeR nEuTrAl BaThRoOmS pRoTeCt TrAnS pEoPlE!!!!!!

    Not in situations like these they don't. I want to be able to take a shit like every other man. I don't need a special trans bathroom. I need to shit.

    And if we are going to make where we all shit a gendered issue, then let's make it one where men and women each get dedicated areas in addition to a neutral area. Or make it so everyone has a neutral area.

    Ignoring men in favor of trans people is not trans positive. It fucking ignores the fact that quite a few of us trans people ARE MEN. And while a decade ago I might have used a neutral bathroom if it were available (kept scaring women if I used the women's room but was afraid if getting harassed in the men's room)... I don't want to be told that I HAVE TO use a special trans bathroom. Trans stuff is not a big part of my daily life anymore, and I don't want it to be, I just want to take a dump and get on with my life without being outed to anyone.

  • clamnit
    5 points May 18,2019, 7:31pm

    I don't give a fuck. If I have to pee and the bathroom is empty I'll go in the woman's room.

  • peepeeandpoopooman
    6 points May 18,2019, 5:07pm

    Use the female ones out of protest and peepee all over the seats

  • _somethingsgonewrong
    5 points May 18,2019, 7:34pm

    Use the "All-Gender" washroom. Piss all over the place. Eventually they'll get the message.

  • 14b755fe39
    2 points May 18,2019, 6:01pm

    So no subway for me...(can't remember the last time I went) but keep in mind subway is down sizing and this is probably them being a bit desperate.

  • WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey
    2 points May 18,2019, 8:42pm

    Why does this keep coming up? It's a simple fix. Don't give places that do this your money anymore. Leave em one of those customer comment cards and say why. "All or nothing. Until you get your shit together you get no more of my $$"

  • HierEncore
    1 points May 18,2019, 8:41pm

    OP, could you post this to r/legaladvice ???

  • GTFonMF
    1 points May 18,2019, 8:44pm

    Whenever I see this, I try to take a dump in the female one, no flush.

  • gainz74
    1 points May 18,2019, 8:47pm

    Is this a joke? God damn this is ridiculous!!

  • Why_the_hate_
    0 points May 18,2019, 7:32pm

    My question is this: did they do it that way because women use it generally more often and have more trouble holding it or because of the reasons some people want to see here? I think it should be equal but still.

COMMENTS

  • Tamriels_okayest
    36 points May 18,2019, 4:14pm

    Some genders are more equal than others.

  • runner557
    26 points May 18,2019, 4:26pm

    Women can have their private spaces, but not men.

  • wallabychamp
    18 points May 18,2019, 3:57pm

    That’s some bullshit right there

  • MRA-automatron-2kb
    12 points May 18,2019, 5:01pm

    "But not all women are feminists"

    Doesn't matter, they benefit also.

  • JohnnySkidmarx
    11 points May 18,2019, 5:48pm

    Male lawyers out there, is there some type of lawsuit men could file for this discrimination?

  • Mawaukey
    10 points May 18,2019, 5:41pm

    When the only option is gender neutral, I leave the seat down and make a mess. Eventually women will get tired of piss all over the seat and start to revolt.

  • puppehplicity
    7 points May 18,2019, 6:50pm

    BuT gEnDeR nEuTrAl BaThRoOmS pRoTeCt TrAnS pEoPlE!!!!!!

    Not in situations like these they don't. I want to be able to take a shit like every other man. I don't need a special trans bathroom. I need to shit.

    And if we are going to make where we all shit a gendered issue, then let's make it one where men and women each get dedicated areas in addition to a neutral area. Or make it so everyone has a neutral area.

    Ignoring men in favor of trans people is not trans positive. It fucking ignores the fact that quite a few of us trans people ARE MEN. And while a decade ago I might have used a neutral bathroom if it were available (kept scaring women if I used the women's room but was afraid if getting harassed in the men's room)... I don't want to be told that I HAVE TO use a special trans bathroom. Trans stuff is not a big part of my daily life anymore, and I don't want it to be, I just want to take a dump and get on with my life without being outed to anyone.

  • clamnit
    5 points May 18,2019, 7:31pm

    I don't give a fuck. If I have to pee and the bathroom is empty I'll go in the woman's room.

  • peepeeandpoopooman
    6 points May 18,2019, 5:07pm

    Use the female ones out of protest and peepee all over the seats

  • _somethingsgonewrong
    5 points May 18,2019, 7:34pm

    Use the "All-Gender" washroom. Piss all over the place. Eventually they'll get the message.

  • 14b755fe39
    2 points May 18,2019, 6:01pm

    So no subway for me...(can't remember the last time I went) but keep in mind subway is down sizing and this is probably them being a bit desperate.

  • WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey
    2 points May 18,2019, 8:42pm

    Why does this keep coming up? It's a simple fix. Don't give places that do this your money anymore. Leave em one of those customer comment cards and say why. "All or nothing. Until you get your shit together you get no more of my $$"

  • HierEncore
    1 points May 18,2019, 8:41pm

    OP, could you post this to r/legaladvice ???

  • GTFonMF
    1 points May 18,2019, 8:44pm

    Whenever I see this, I try to take a dump in the female one, no flush.

  • gainz74
    1 points May 18,2019, 8:47pm

    Is this a joke? God damn this is ridiculous!!

  • Why_the_hate_
    0 points May 18,2019, 7:32pm

    My question is this: did they do it that way because women use it generally more often and have more trouble holding it or because of the reasons some people want to see here? I think it should be equal but still.

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Found a real MEN's ONLY parking place in Fukuoka, Japan.

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COMMENTS

  • Necrullz
    23 points May 16,2019, 8:33am

    No, I am not advocating men's only parking spaces. But, I thought it would be fun to share this so you could share in my utter shock that this actually exists.

    It was the parking place for a men's place where you could relax, get your hair cut, have a drink and so on.

  • starkimarki
    1 points May 16,2019, 12:18pm

    I've always wondered how this place name is pronounced.

    This parking spot is probably up on the top floor with no lifts, men are welcome to it?

  • aki-96
    1 points May 16,2019, 1:43pm

    Is this actually a men's only parking lot? It doesn't say it in Japanese anywhere and a lot of Japanese people don't know any English so many people would not even know they weren't following the sign.

    It might be just a brand name or something.

COMMENTS

  • Necrullz
    23 points May 16,2019, 8:33am

    No, I am not advocating men's only parking spaces. But, I thought it would be fun to share this so you could share in my utter shock that this actually exists.

    It was the parking place for a men's place where you could relax, get your hair cut, have a drink and so on.

  • starkimarki
    1 points May 16,2019, 12:18pm

    I've always wondered how this place name is pronounced.

    This parking spot is probably up on the top floor with no lifts, men are welcome to it?

  • aki-96
    1 points May 16,2019, 1:43pm

    Is this actually a men's only parking lot? It doesn't say it in Japanese anywhere and a lot of Japanese people don't know any English so many people would not even know they weren't following the sign.

    It might be just a brand name or something.

  • Sailing_Salem
    0 points May 16,2019, 11:14am

    Makes sense. I remember the women's only train/subway cars. Which also allowed kids and the elderly in. Albeit in the case of the women, it was because the number of perverted men was insanely high in Japan. Like, Japan needs to start teaching social skills in schools or something.

    Anyways, as I remember it there were plenty of Male oriented or men only places. It wasn't a discrimination thing, people just recognized that men and women are different and sometimes they just want to hang out on their own.

    Like at the men's barber, you could get a shave. Where as at the women's salon you could get your nails done. Mind you, I loved Japan, but it certainly wasn't perfect. Better in some ways, worse in others.

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After being asked if sexism against men would be included in Mastodon's latest efforts to stem bigotry, @MastodonProject writes, "Of course not. Get your head out of your ass."

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COMMENTS

  • Zekuro
    495 points May 16,2019, 1:03pm

    So sexism and racism only apply when it's against minorities, if I understand right?

    Oups, men are in the minority in America and Europe. Does it mean sexism against women doesn't exist there and it's only prejudice?

  • SC2sam
    120 points May 16,2019, 1:57pm

    and now MastadonProject is a hate group.

  • lazarljubenovic
    85 points May 16,2019, 1:08pm

    So basically they are the sexist ones for thinking that straight white men have it easy by default. The irony is palpable.

  • pteawesome1
    99 points May 16,2019, 12:08pm

    Feminism is for equality ! /S

  • ddmine
    71 points May 16,2019, 1:17pm

    For a second I thought this was posted by the band Mastadon. I was thoroughly confused.

  • alc0
    28 points May 16,2019, 1:39pm

    The definition from their ass backwards regressive sociology text book maybe.

  • mensmod
    26 points May 16,2019, 2:09pm

    The important thing to note is that feminists have no problems with prejudice. They just don't want the prejudice to be against their demographic.

  • pichael_thompsonn
    21 points May 16,2019, 1:58pm

    What’s is Mastodon Project?

  • RentsBoy
    19 points May 16,2019, 2:03pm

    I love post-modernist revisionism

  • Blazekreig
    17 points May 16,2019, 2:58pm

    I think my favourite part about this is that if you use the actual definition of racism instead of the bullshit one these nutjobs are pushing, their last post literally just says that they don’t care about racism towards whites and don’t bother with moderating it. They aren’t even hiding.

  • etebitan17
    17 points May 16,2019, 1:33pm

    This is disgusting..

  • mgtowolf
    14 points May 16,2019, 2:21pm

    Who is this mastadon, and why should I give a fuck what it thinks?

  • SiliconeGiant
    53 points May 16,2019, 1:41pm

    It's been established that the extreme left has no interest in rights for men and particularly white men, constitution and law be damned.

    So what's the next step? Shake our fists to the sky and curse the Gods? I vote rain dance. Maybe we can cause the world to flood and thin the herd a bit.

    But seriously it's clear what any activist group like this will think, no reason to expect any different. They're literally factually incorrect about racism being structurally upheld but do they give a shit? No. And are they listening to anyone who explains why this is not the case? No. Are their fans? No. Everyone's in an echo chamber.

    So what's the next step. Something has to change.

  • PhotonParable
    13 points May 16,2019, 2:40pm

    "Reinforce existing power structures" Okay, so Mastodon will let an asian man spout all sorts of shit about african americans? It's not part of any power structure since both are minorities, so I guess you have your "head in your ass" if you care about asians calling you the n word.

  • That90sGuyMedia
    13 points May 16,2019, 1:09pm

    Remember, white man bad. /s

  • problem_redditor
    10 points May 16,2019, 3:50pm

    This kind of thing makes me so fucking angry.

    People who use this logic start out assuming that structurally held power inequalities only exist against one group and not the other, they don't take the necessary steps to arrive at their conclusion. When people provide example of racism against whites and sexism against men, they're providing evidence that contradicts that base assumption, and if this base assumption is in conflict with one of its tenets they have to reexamine the base assumption itself.

    However, what they do instead is that they essentially restate their argument without actually having to prove it whatsoever: they frame every example of racism against minorities and sexism against women with fluffy terms such as "structural and institutional inequalities" and they frame every example of racism against whites and sexism against men as "ohhh uhhh that's just prejudice". In other words, they attempt to take the new evidence and pretzelise it so it fits into their NarrativeTM, instead of revising their worldview in light of new evidence. So there is no possible evidence you can provide these people to convince them that racism against whites is just as bad as racism against minorities.

    I'm a "person of colour" myself but I can see that this is some crazy mental gymnastics.

  • boringcarpets
    8 points May 16,2019, 2:13pm

    "by definition"

  • hell2go
    8 points May 16,2019, 3:19pm

    Being the only ones it doesn't apply to-- BY THEIR OWN LOGIC-- makes us the FUCKING minority!! Somebody send these fuckers back to first grade math, they obviously need a refresher!

  • SqueakyPoP
    6 points May 16,2019, 1:12pm

    Who?

  • Philhos
    5 points May 16,2019, 3:51pm

    By their definition, the only ones capable of being racist and sexist are the ones in charge at MastodonProject. I may be a white male but I have no authority over there ergo it's impossible for me to be racist and sexist.

  • irongyrfalcon
    4 points May 16,2019, 4:16pm

    Oh not the band Mastodon. Okay.

  • GTFonMF
    4 points May 16,2019, 4:18pm

    What is Mastodon and how do I stop using it?

  • LuckyWolf777
    5 points May 16,2019, 5:10pm

    I love this argument that racism can only be based on who has power in society because it's so stupid and easy to disprove.

    I always ask "If I moved to an Asian country where an extraordinarily small amount or no white people at all are in positions of power, does that give me a free pass to use slurs?".

    Watch their head spins as they try to argue that that is racist

  • merttosya
    7 points May 16,2019, 5:52pm

    And this is why free speech is important. Even if you ban legitmate hate speech at first, some idiot comes up with a nonsensical definition of hate speech and when other idiots believe it becuase it suits their agenda, then you have banning of political views

  • Zageri_
    4 points May 16,2019, 2:55pm

    Makes sense... because racism’s definition (a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others) is clearly only against every race but white people s/

  • Doogle89
    4 points May 16,2019, 3:47pm

    I wish these cunts would read a fucking dictionary .

  • MasonTaylor22
    3 points May 16,2019, 4:08pm

    Some context on who this hate group is and why their opinion matters?

  • coffedrank
    4 points May 16,2019, 5:50pm

    Haha the tumblr meme definition of racism. What an utter bunch of fucking idiots.

  • Ed_Radley
    6 points May 16,2019, 3:26pm

    Eventually men are gonna be fed up and refuse to procreate for reasons of sanity, liability, and overall peace of mind. Birth rates will fall, labor force will dry up, and government will default on its debt, all because nobody wants to take straight white men seriously anymore.

  • LedZeppelin1602
    3 points May 16,2019, 2:14pm

    They don’t know the real definition of racism and sexism. They’re going by the SJW are-definition that is it the official one

  • kireol
    2 points May 16,2019, 2:35pm

    If we can't use the same dictionary for definitions of words, then we are in trouble.

  • _bowlerhat
    2 points May 16,2019, 4:10pm

    by👏 definition👏 1/

    pulled👏 from👏 our👏 own👏 ass👏 2/

    you're👏 wrong👏😂👌😎 3/

    what a fucking joke

  • bkrugby78
    2 points May 16,2019, 4:18pm

    So I was covering a class (High School) and this one kid, black male put this out to some other students "Black people can be racist." This girl, who is also black, goes into the whole "Well, black people can be prejudice, but they can't be racist, because systematically they are the minority." The black male then says "Ok, say I own a restaurant, and some Latino people come in, and since I don't like Latino people, I refuse to serve them. Isn't that racist?" The black girl says "Well, that is a racist act, but that doesn't mean you're racist."

    The guy turned to me and was like "Mr......" what do you think? I'm a Caucasian male mind you, and I was like "I sure as heck ain't getting involved in this, you guys keep going, you're doing great." (Last thing I need is someone accusing me of being racist).

    Now, that girl is one of the more intelligent kids in this school. But I know full well she gets that way of thinking from the authors the school invites, who show off that same narrative.

    I get the IDEA of Systemic Racism, in theory. But I think it's rather pointless in the day to day. If someone feels they are being treated in an unfair way because of their race, they aren't going to sit there and say "Well I am being prejudiced here." No, they are going to say "This is some Racist BS!"

    Also, as this is a social networking site, from what I understand, I doubt most of its users will care about the slight distinction between prejudice and racism/sexism, etc.

  • perplexedm
    2 points May 16,2019, 4:39pm

    Had hopes about joining that tool in near future, will look for better alternative now. By spirit, this is worse than FB, et. al.

  • Couldawg
    2 points May 16,2019, 6:48pm

    Folks on the Right have been alleging for decades that colleges and universities have been actively "indoctrinating" students with postmodern / Marxist / critical theory.

    These allegations were (and still are) met with general derision, and written off as hysterical conspiracy.

    Well... here we are.

    • Gender is a social construct.
    • Pointing out bigotry is bigotry.
    • Free speech is hate speech.
    • Capitalism is evil.
    • Racism isn't racism unless it's racism.
    • Sexism isn't sexism unless it's sexism.

    Like I said, here we are. Are we all having fun yet?

  • Metroid545
    2 points May 16,2019, 6:53pm

    "By definition" yet he hasnt actually read the definition that states no such thing

  • SpellBlue
    1 points May 16,2019, 2:51pm

    Looks like the dictionary is wrong then

  • ska_robot
    1 points May 16,2019, 3:58pm

    what a small world view

  • big_wing
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:02pm

    God damn I thought this was the band for a minute. Was almost thoroughly disappointed

  • professor_mcamateur
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:13pm

    All I'm seeing is a convoluted way to reason that, "because structure, therefor racist. Because racist, therefor predjudice. Because predjudice, racist and structural, therefor @MastadonProject"

  • TracyMorganFreeman
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:15pm

    Rules for thee, not for me.

  • T_H_A_L_O_S
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:18pm

    It's actually insane how these retards try to give racism a new definition. "per definition" my fucking ass, stop making shit up you cancerous fucks. I genuinely hope they all die of AIDS.

  • grandmasbroach
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:20pm

    Get woke, go what now?

  • lastdazeofgravity
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:21pm

    i thought these people were fighting for equal rights? yet, they are racist and sexist against white people....

  • MiffTheFox
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:22pm

    So what's the systematic bias towards men? Mandatory military service for women only? Family courts taking children away from their mothers who still have to pay for the father to raise them? Highly qualified women getting turned down for jobs and scholarships just because somebody else has a penis? Domestic abuse and rape laws that say that the man is automatically innocent and the woman is guilty without any trial?

  • volabimus
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:23pm

    Why do they have a clown world avatar?

  • TheStumblingWolf
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:26pm

    Rewriting the dictionary, one day at a time.

  • NobleCobra
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:29pm

    I don't know who Mastodon is but I'm happy I don't. So much wrong in one post.

  • patriot159
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:32pm

    When will Mars be ready to colonize

  • Virtual-Knight
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:41pm
  • LoriTheGreat1
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:49pm

    Don’t know what mastodon is but they need to pull their head out of their ass. How are double standards ever ok?

  • ripyourlungsdave
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:02pm

    “Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.”Weird. I don’t see anything about institutionalized racism in the definition. In fact, it lists prejudice as a synonym.

  • shadowstep12
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:05pm

    If what they just said is true then the answer is still yes cause they are a social structure that's upholding those values.

  • quarthomon
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:06pm

    Well they've been indoctrinated with the anti-racism which is actually racism. Quite common.

  • Hexalt_
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:08pm

    Their twitter account is a mess.

  • magajew
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:08pm

    Serious question: How is white privilege different than white supremacy? Seems like the white supremacists and the identity politics set both think white people and men are inherently better than “people of color” and women, the “progressives” just think being condescending and treating the “oppressed” like they are helpless and treating the “oppressors” like second class citizens is the solution.

  • magajew
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:10pm

    So when the future is finally brown like they want they’ll start championing the cis white male, right guys? Cus minority status is the most important thing in their philosophy?

  • a_printer
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:21pm

    People say it's so easy being a white male. Meanwhile, people think you just don't matter. Discrimination against white males is getting more and more common.

  • Kar8tchris
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:34pm

    I always find it somewhat incredible how these people will go on and on about how you can't deny science and facts but turn around and decide to use a definition for racism or sexism that isn't in the dictionary.

  • dgd_mobius_centurion
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:48pm

    "While we frown upon both..."

    So why the hell are you telling the person, "Get your head out of your ass"? That was unnecessary and hypocritical. If you hadn't said that, what you said afterwards would have more validity...not that it was to begin with.

  • Abiogeneralization
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:49pm

    Who the fuck made up this whole, “structurally upheld” bullshit?

  • sfwaccountfw
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:53pm

    Damn never wanted to see a project scrapped so hard.

  • misterhighmay
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:57pm

    Male Hispanic here and I’ve gotten the you pass as a white guy fuck You and your privilege. Like woah. I’ve gotten yelled at for “speaking Mexican, all my life growing up as well as seeing racism to any group that doesn’t fit a perfectly pre conceived notion of said group. It’s stupid we are all human beings. Smart( albeit not intelligent) beings that have a giant fucking star keeping us alive on an ocean of a planet. Like seriously we have bigger problems we need to all unite

  • WorbianBrownia
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:00pm

    Idiots.

  • AngelShu
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:06pm

    That doesn't sound right

  • ahegaoshitposter
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:25pm

    Nice to see another group/person/whatever go down that route.

  • willbebossin
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:29pm

    Actually brain dead. I hate this world sometimes and how shit it'll be when I have kids.

  • undergroundman646
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:31pm

    Yes but as an (off)white man (child of european immigrants), I have trouble having any issues with the comments on race. Is there structural oppression against white people!?

    For gender, I definitely agree that there is structural oppression against men (as well as women) and when prejudice is so overwhelmingly accepted, even without the structural element (which I'm not conceding) its clearly needs to become a focus.

    But given my comments, I am actually happy with their response; unless I missed something they steered away from gender and used race instead, using some equivalency instead.... almost like they know there is something wrong

  • undergroundman646
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:35pm

    reading these comments is so frustrating, are you really saying the white people are oppressed? Outside of Basketball and Hippity-Hop (I did that on purpose), white people are pretty much privileged all around. There are very few times that it doesn't pay off to be white.

  • Hot4M
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:37pm

    Mastadons are extinct animals, literally.

  • J03SChm03OG
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:39pm

    Racism is by definition structurally upheld as opposed to prejudice

    It's them who needs to get their heads out of their ass. Racism has nothing to do with being Structurally upheld or systemic power or any other BS run around to prove only white men can be racist. In fact the definition of racism is prejudice based on race.

    Racism: Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior

  • TutelarSword
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:04pm

    Apparently they deleted these tweets and claimed that someone new had access to their account, and they revoked that access because the confrontational style of tweeting is not their policy. The open racism, sexism, and thought policing, however, is apparently well within their policy.

  • omegaphallic
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:21pm

    More intersectional changes to words, there is nothing in the word racism that say anything about structural BS. And this rationalizing of hypopcracy is going to undermine efforts towards tolerence. It's Mastodon who needs to get there head of there ass.

  • NonnyNu
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:25pm

    What is the practical difference between racism and prejudice?

  • ryaniskira
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:26pm

    I would say go woke get broke, but what the fuck is a Mastodon?

  • ChaosOpen
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:27pm

    Definition of racism according to the Oxford:

    Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

    I don't see anything about having to be structurally upheld, though believing your race is more important because it's "more oppressed thus more important" might be a key to why they aren't willing to help whites.

  • thewonderdo
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:41pm

    I'm fairly positive the actual definition of racism is to act on prejudice or discrimination solely based on race. And I'm pretty sure that's also the definition for sexism but based on sex. Of course they had to change the definition to suit what they want and now they're ramming it down our throats as if it were that way all along.

  • Gaki-San
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:42pm

    racism, by definition, is structurally upheld

    No, that's the NEW definition of racism that came into vogue with social justice and intersectionalism. That definition is only 40 years old, at the most, and was overwhelmingly only a definition used in academia for most of that 40 year window. The vast majority of the world's dictionaries don't list power dynamics or structural power in their definitions.

  • Siganid
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:44pm

    Who the hell is mastadon?

  • wristcontrol
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:49pm

    What happened to Mastodon? It started as a safe haven built by and for people who were sick of Facebook's bullshit, when did it get infiltrated?

  • hoods_breath
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:54pm

    60% of the population lives in Asia. If you tally Europe and NA you don't get to 20 percent. White people are THE minority.

  • Vimislit
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:56pm

    I think this post is misunderstood, Racism is systematic oppression, while prejudice is anyone’s own misinformed opinion.

  • keystothemoon
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:01pm

    This idea that the definition of racism is different that what's in Merriam-Webster, the Oxford English dictionary, and a definition in common usage by many people is fucking stupid. There's a perfectly suitable definition of racism under which a black person can clearly be racist towards a white person. Can the people who insist the only definition of racism is the one they proscribe stop being so dumb and wrong?

  • Potatolover3
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:02pm

    So if I go to China can I now be racist to whites but not Chinese people, or Africa? Same goes for the female thing

  • brubeck5
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:07pm

    Fucking idiotic man. You don't have to have institutional privilege to be racist. If someone who's Black refused to hire someone who's Mexican simply because he hates Mexicans that would be RACIST or If someone who's Brown yelled the N word at someone who's Black that'll still be racist. Even though both Blacks and Mexicans don't have any 'privilege' according to sjw's. Racism is independent of any power or privilege, and hence, you CAN be racist against Whites and Sexist against men.

  • Ninja_Arena
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:09pm

    I'm so sick of that line of thought that's it's structural.

    That's just one way it fucking occurs. It's not the fucking definition of racism. It's an example of racism in society you numb nuts

  • amishbreakfast
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:27pm

    Great metal band btw 🤘

  • Subcommandante_Khan
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:32pm

    Straight out of the text book. Word for word. The leftist holy liturgy.

  • magajew
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:36pm

    If you believe that definition of privilege and think that’s a thing that exists then that’s what you do.

  • IllumiXXZoldyck
    -4 points May 16,2019, 4:01pm

    READ THIS CAREFULLY

    Minorities in this country cannot be SYSTEMATICALLY racist as they are not the majority and do not hold SYSTEMIC power. HOWEVER, ANYBODY can be racist as racism deals with BELIEF of which anybody is capable.

    (Had to use caps so people didn’t downvote before they read).

  • heavym
    -5 points May 16,2019, 4:38pm

    man.. i hate this sub when it sinks into this kind of pseudo bull shit.

    [From the side bar]

    These are just a few of the issues discussed on this sub, affecting men and boys from around the globe:

    • Male Genital Mutilation - Circumcision
    • Education Discrimination
    • Lack of social support
    • Legal Discrimination
    • Selective Service - Enforced Military Duty
    • Custody Discrimination
    • False Accusations
    • Vilification
    • Male Disposability
    • Workplace Fatalities

    this... ohhh its bad because i am a white male and people are sexist and racist to me... is GARBAGE and does ZERO to actually deal with the issues that this sub was founded on. Go take your MAGA hats and shove them down your throat.

  • VyseofArcadia
    -6 points May 16,2019, 4:29pm

    Mastodon could have certainly had more tact, but I feel like "sexism against men" is basically the worst possible way to describe men's issues. It immediately conjures up exactly the wrong images and impressions. What we face is not classical sexism the way it's faced by women. We aren't getting catcalled on the street here. We face a variety of specific legal and social issues from a system that favors women in certain specific ways. So I think the solution here is to be specific. Instead of saying, "what about sexism against men?" say "what about the fact that suicide rates are so much higher in men?"

    And, frankly, let's be honest. "Sexism against men" and "racism against whites" have become right wing dog whistles and talking points. They're the same thing as "all lives matter" or "blue lives matter." They're cute Fox News sound bites designed to promote a visceral and divisive reaction from people who really ought to be working together towards the common goal of not being dicks to each other.

    I thing OP was being a dick and trying to get a rise out of @MastodonProject, and it worked. "Get your head out of your ass" is a perfectly valid if rude response, because they recognized it as the right wing sound bite that it is. I'd have gone with "turn off Fox News and talk about the issues like an educated adult" instead.

    OP is acting in bad faith, knowing exactly what kind of rise he'd get out of Mastodon, and then using it to in turn get a rise out of us. He wants us to react in a simplistic knee-jerk way. This is divisive. This is not an "us vs. them" scenario. This is a, "in some ways, odds have been stacked against boys and men in the modern world, and maybe we should re-examine certain core assumptions in our system to make things better" scenario. Frothing at the mouth gets us nothing but being dismissed as out of touch right wing loonies.

COMMENTS

  • Zekuro
    495 points May 16,2019, 1:03pm

    So sexism and racism only apply when it's against minorities, if I understand right?

    Oups, men are in the minority in America and Europe. Does it mean sexism against women doesn't exist there and it's only prejudice?

  • SC2sam
    120 points May 16,2019, 1:57pm

    and now MastadonProject is a hate group.

  • lazarljubenovic
    85 points May 16,2019, 1:08pm

    So basically they are the sexist ones for thinking that straight white men have it easy by default. The irony is palpable.

  • DrYoshiyahu
    75 points May 16,2019, 1:58pm

    Any time someone says "by definition", ask them for a source.

  • pteawesome1
    99 points May 16,2019, 12:08pm

    Feminism is for equality ! /S

  • ddmine
    71 points May 16,2019, 1:17pm

    For a second I thought this was posted by the band Mastadon. I was thoroughly confused.

  • alc0
    28 points May 16,2019, 1:39pm

    The definition from their ass backwards regressive sociology text book maybe.

  • mensmod
    26 points May 16,2019, 2:09pm

    The important thing to note is that feminists have no problems with prejudice. They just don't want the prejudice to be against their demographic.

  • pichael_thompsonn
    21 points May 16,2019, 1:58pm

    What’s is Mastodon Project?

  • RentsBoy
    19 points May 16,2019, 2:03pm

    I love post-modernist revisionism

  • Blazekreig
    17 points May 16,2019, 2:58pm

    I think my favourite part about this is that if you use the actual definition of racism instead of the bullshit one these nutjobs are pushing, their last post literally just says that they don’t care about racism towards whites and don’t bother with moderating it. They aren’t even hiding.

  • etebitan17
    17 points May 16,2019, 1:33pm

    This is disgusting..

  • mgtowolf
    14 points May 16,2019, 2:21pm

    Who is this mastadon, and why should I give a fuck what it thinks?

  • SiliconeGiant
    53 points May 16,2019, 1:41pm

    It's been established that the extreme left has no interest in rights for men and particularly white men, constitution and law be damned.

    So what's the next step? Shake our fists to the sky and curse the Gods? I vote rain dance. Maybe we can cause the world to flood and thin the herd a bit.

    But seriously it's clear what any activist group like this will think, no reason to expect any different. They're literally factually incorrect about racism being structurally upheld but do they give a shit? No. And are they listening to anyone who explains why this is not the case? No. Are their fans? No. Everyone's in an echo chamber.

    So what's the next step. Something has to change.

  • PhotonParable
    13 points May 16,2019, 2:40pm

    "Reinforce existing power structures" Okay, so Mastodon will let an asian man spout all sorts of shit about african americans? It's not part of any power structure since both are minorities, so I guess you have your "head in your ass" if you care about asians calling you the n word.

  • That90sGuyMedia
    13 points May 16,2019, 1:09pm

    Remember, white man bad. /s

  • problem_redditor
    10 points May 16,2019, 3:50pm

    This kind of thing makes me so fucking angry.

    People who use this logic start out assuming that structurally held power inequalities only exist against one group and not the other, they don't take the necessary steps to arrive at their conclusion. When people provide example of racism against whites and sexism against men, they're providing evidence that contradicts that base assumption, and if this base assumption is in conflict with one of its tenets they have to reexamine the base assumption itself.

    However, what they do instead is that they essentially restate their argument without actually having to prove it whatsoever: they frame every example of racism against minorities and sexism against women with fluffy terms such as "structural and institutional inequalities" and they frame every example of racism against whites and sexism against men as "ohhh uhhh that's just prejudice". In other words, they attempt to take the new evidence and pretzelise it so it fits into their NarrativeTM, instead of revising their worldview in light of new evidence. So there is no possible evidence you can provide these people to convince them that racism against whites is just as bad as racism against minorities.

    I'm a "person of colour" myself but I can see that this is some crazy mental gymnastics.

  • boringcarpets
    8 points May 16,2019, 2:13pm

    "by definition"

  • hell2go
    8 points May 16,2019, 3:19pm

    Being the only ones it doesn't apply to-- BY THEIR OWN LOGIC-- makes us the FUCKING minority!! Somebody send these fuckers back to first grade math, they obviously need a refresher!

  • SqueakyPoP
    6 points May 16,2019, 1:12pm

    Who?

  • Philhos
    5 points May 16,2019, 3:51pm

    By their definition, the only ones capable of being racist and sexist are the ones in charge at MastodonProject. I may be a white male but I have no authority over there ergo it's impossible for me to be racist and sexist.

  • irongyrfalcon
    4 points May 16,2019, 4:16pm

    Oh not the band Mastodon. Okay.

  • GTFonMF
    4 points May 16,2019, 4:18pm

    What is Mastodon and how do I stop using it?

  • LuckyWolf777
    5 points May 16,2019, 5:10pm

    I love this argument that racism can only be based on who has power in society because it's so stupid and easy to disprove.

    I always ask "If I moved to an Asian country where an extraordinarily small amount or no white people at all are in positions of power, does that give me a free pass to use slurs?".

    Watch their head spins as they try to argue that that is racist

  • merttosya
    7 points May 16,2019, 5:52pm

    And this is why free speech is important. Even if you ban legitmate hate speech at first, some idiot comes up with a nonsensical definition of hate speech and when other idiots believe it becuase it suits their agenda, then you have banning of political views

  • Zageri_
    4 points May 16,2019, 2:55pm

    Makes sense... because racism’s definition (a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others) is clearly only against every race but white people s/

  • Doogle89
    4 points May 16,2019, 3:47pm

    I wish these cunts would read a fucking dictionary .

  • MasonTaylor22
    3 points May 16,2019, 4:08pm

    Some context on who this hate group is and why their opinion matters?

  • coffedrank
    4 points May 16,2019, 5:50pm

    Haha the tumblr meme definition of racism. What an utter bunch of fucking idiots.

  • Ed_Radley
    6 points May 16,2019, 3:26pm

    Eventually men are gonna be fed up and refuse to procreate for reasons of sanity, liability, and overall peace of mind. Birth rates will fall, labor force will dry up, and government will default on its debt, all because nobody wants to take straight white men seriously anymore.

  • LedZeppelin1602
    3 points May 16,2019, 2:14pm

    They don’t know the real definition of racism and sexism. They’re going by the SJW are-definition that is it the official one

  • kireol
    2 points May 16,2019, 2:35pm

    If we can't use the same dictionary for definitions of words, then we are in trouble.

  • _bowlerhat
    2 points May 16,2019, 4:10pm

    by👏 definition👏 1/

    pulled👏 from👏 our👏 own👏 ass👏 2/

    you're👏 wrong👏😂👌😎 3/

    what a fucking joke

  • bkrugby78
    2 points May 16,2019, 4:18pm

    So I was covering a class (High School) and this one kid, black male put this out to some other students "Black people can be racist." This girl, who is also black, goes into the whole "Well, black people can be prejudice, but they can't be racist, because systematically they are the minority." The black male then says "Ok, say I own a restaurant, and some Latino people come in, and since I don't like Latino people, I refuse to serve them. Isn't that racist?" The black girl says "Well, that is a racist act, but that doesn't mean you're racist."

    The guy turned to me and was like "Mr......" what do you think? I'm a Caucasian male mind you, and I was like "I sure as heck ain't getting involved in this, you guys keep going, you're doing great." (Last thing I need is someone accusing me of being racist).

    Now, that girl is one of the more intelligent kids in this school. But I know full well she gets that way of thinking from the authors the school invites, who show off that same narrative.

    I get the IDEA of Systemic Racism, in theory. But I think it's rather pointless in the day to day. If someone feels they are being treated in an unfair way because of their race, they aren't going to sit there and say "Well I am being prejudiced here." No, they are going to say "This is some Racist BS!"

    Also, as this is a social networking site, from what I understand, I doubt most of its users will care about the slight distinction between prejudice and racism/sexism, etc.

  • perplexedm
    2 points May 16,2019, 4:39pm

    Had hopes about joining that tool in near future, will look for better alternative now. By spirit, this is worse than FB, et. al.

  • Couldawg
    2 points May 16,2019, 6:48pm

    Folks on the Right have been alleging for decades that colleges and universities have been actively "indoctrinating" students with postmodern / Marxist / critical theory.

    These allegations were (and still are) met with general derision, and written off as hysterical conspiracy.

    Well... here we are.

    • Gender is a social construct.
    • Pointing out bigotry is bigotry.
    • Free speech is hate speech.
    • Capitalism is evil.
    • Racism isn't racism unless it's racism.
    • Sexism isn't sexism unless it's sexism.

    Like I said, here we are. Are we all having fun yet?

  • Metroid545
    2 points May 16,2019, 6:53pm

    "By definition" yet he hasnt actually read the definition that states no such thing

  • SpellBlue
    1 points May 16,2019, 2:51pm

    Looks like the dictionary is wrong then

  • ska_robot
    1 points May 16,2019, 3:58pm

    what a small world view

  • big_wing
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:02pm

    God damn I thought this was the band for a minute. Was almost thoroughly disappointed

  • professor_mcamateur
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:13pm

    All I'm seeing is a convoluted way to reason that, "because structure, therefor racist. Because racist, therefor predjudice. Because predjudice, racist and structural, therefor @MastadonProject"

  • TracyMorganFreeman
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:15pm

    Rules for thee, not for me.

  • T_H_A_L_O_S
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:18pm

    It's actually insane how these retards try to give racism a new definition. "per definition" my fucking ass, stop making shit up you cancerous fucks. I genuinely hope they all die of AIDS.

  • grandmasbroach
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:20pm

    Get woke, go what now?

  • lastdazeofgravity
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:21pm

    i thought these people were fighting for equal rights? yet, they are racist and sexist against white people....

  • MiffTheFox
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:22pm

    So what's the systematic bias towards men? Mandatory military service for women only? Family courts taking children away from their mothers who still have to pay for the father to raise them? Highly qualified women getting turned down for jobs and scholarships just because somebody else has a penis? Domestic abuse and rape laws that say that the man is automatically innocent and the woman is guilty without any trial?

  • volabimus
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:23pm

    Why do they have a clown world avatar?

  • TheStumblingWolf
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:26pm

    Rewriting the dictionary, one day at a time.

  • NobleCobra
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:29pm

    I don't know who Mastodon is but I'm happy I don't. So much wrong in one post.

  • patriot159
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:32pm

    When will Mars be ready to colonize

  • Virtual-Knight
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:41pm
  • LoriTheGreat1
    1 points May 16,2019, 4:49pm

    Don’t know what mastodon is but they need to pull their head out of their ass. How are double standards ever ok?

  • ripyourlungsdave
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:02pm

    “Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.”Weird. I don’t see anything about institutionalized racism in the definition. In fact, it lists prejudice as a synonym.

  • shadowstep12
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:05pm

    If what they just said is true then the answer is still yes cause they are a social structure that's upholding those values.

  • quarthomon
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:06pm

    Well they've been indoctrinated with the anti-racism which is actually racism. Quite common.

  • Hexalt_
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:08pm

    Their twitter account is a mess.

  • magajew
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:08pm

    Serious question: How is white privilege different than white supremacy? Seems like the white supremacists and the identity politics set both think white people and men are inherently better than “people of color” and women, the “progressives” just think being condescending and treating the “oppressed” like they are helpless and treating the “oppressors” like second class citizens is the solution.

  • magajew
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:10pm

    So when the future is finally brown like they want they’ll start championing the cis white male, right guys? Cus minority status is the most important thing in their philosophy?

  • a_printer
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:21pm

    People say it's so easy being a white male. Meanwhile, people think you just don't matter. Discrimination against white males is getting more and more common.

  • Kar8tchris
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:34pm

    I always find it somewhat incredible how these people will go on and on about how you can't deny science and facts but turn around and decide to use a definition for racism or sexism that isn't in the dictionary.

  • dgd_mobius_centurion
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:48pm

    "While we frown upon both..."

    So why the hell are you telling the person, "Get your head out of your ass"? That was unnecessary and hypocritical. If you hadn't said that, what you said afterwards would have more validity...not that it was to begin with.

  • Abiogeneralization
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:49pm

    Who the fuck made up this whole, “structurally upheld” bullshit?

  • sfwaccountfw
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:53pm

    Damn never wanted to see a project scrapped so hard.

  • misterhighmay
    1 points May 16,2019, 5:57pm

    Male Hispanic here and I’ve gotten the you pass as a white guy fuck You and your privilege. Like woah. I’ve gotten yelled at for “speaking Mexican, all my life growing up as well as seeing racism to any group that doesn’t fit a perfectly pre conceived notion of said group. It’s stupid we are all human beings. Smart( albeit not intelligent) beings that have a giant fucking star keeping us alive on an ocean of a planet. Like seriously we have bigger problems we need to all unite

  • WorbianBrownia
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:00pm

    Idiots.

  • AngelShu
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:06pm

    That doesn't sound right

  • ahegaoshitposter
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:25pm

    Nice to see another group/person/whatever go down that route.

  • willbebossin
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:29pm

    Actually brain dead. I hate this world sometimes and how shit it'll be when I have kids.

  • undergroundman646
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:31pm

    Yes but as an (off)white man (child of european immigrants), I have trouble having any issues with the comments on race. Is there structural oppression against white people!?

    For gender, I definitely agree that there is structural oppression against men (as well as women) and when prejudice is so overwhelmingly accepted, even without the structural element (which I'm not conceding) its clearly needs to become a focus.

    But given my comments, I am actually happy with their response; unless I missed something they steered away from gender and used race instead, using some equivalency instead.... almost like they know there is something wrong

  • undergroundman646
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:35pm

    reading these comments is so frustrating, are you really saying the white people are oppressed? Outside of Basketball and Hippity-Hop (I did that on purpose), white people are pretty much privileged all around. There are very few times that it doesn't pay off to be white.

  • Hot4M
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:37pm

    Mastadons are extinct animals, literally.

  • J03SChm03OG
    1 points May 16,2019, 6:39pm

    Racism is by definition structurally upheld as opposed to prejudice

    It's them who needs to get their heads out of their ass. Racism has nothing to do with being Structurally upheld or systemic power or any other BS run around to prove only white men can be racist. In fact the definition of racism is prejudice based on race.

    Racism: Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior

  • TutelarSword
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:04pm

    Apparently they deleted these tweets and claimed that someone new had access to their account, and they revoked that access because the confrontational style of tweeting is not their policy. The open racism, sexism, and thought policing, however, is apparently well within their policy.

  • omegaphallic
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:21pm

    More intersectional changes to words, there is nothing in the word racism that say anything about structural BS. And this rationalizing of hypopcracy is going to undermine efforts towards tolerence. It's Mastodon who needs to get there head of there ass.

  • NonnyNu
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:25pm

    What is the practical difference between racism and prejudice?

  • ryaniskira
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:26pm

    I would say go woke get broke, but what the fuck is a Mastodon?

  • ChaosOpen
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:27pm

    Definition of racism according to the Oxford:

    Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

    I don't see anything about having to be structurally upheld, though believing your race is more important because it's "more oppressed thus more important" might be a key to why they aren't willing to help whites.

  • thewonderdo
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:41pm

    I'm fairly positive the actual definition of racism is to act on prejudice or discrimination solely based on race. And I'm pretty sure that's also the definition for sexism but based on sex. Of course they had to change the definition to suit what they want and now they're ramming it down our throats as if it were that way all along.

  • Gaki-San
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:42pm

    racism, by definition, is structurally upheld

    No, that's the NEW definition of racism that came into vogue with social justice and intersectionalism. That definition is only 40 years old, at the most, and was overwhelmingly only a definition used in academia for most of that 40 year window. The vast majority of the world's dictionaries don't list power dynamics or structural power in their definitions.

  • Siganid
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:44pm

    Who the hell is mastadon?

  • wristcontrol
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:49pm

    What happened to Mastodon? It started as a safe haven built by and for people who were sick of Facebook's bullshit, when did it get infiltrated?

  • hoods_breath
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:54pm

    60% of the population lives in Asia. If you tally Europe and NA you don't get to 20 percent. White people are THE minority.

  • Vimislit
    1 points May 16,2019, 7:56pm

    I think this post is misunderstood, Racism is systematic oppression, while prejudice is anyone’s own misinformed opinion.

  • keystothemoon
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:01pm

    This idea that the definition of racism is different that what's in Merriam-Webster, the Oxford English dictionary, and a definition in common usage by many people is fucking stupid. There's a perfectly suitable definition of racism under which a black person can clearly be racist towards a white person. Can the people who insist the only definition of racism is the one they proscribe stop being so dumb and wrong?

  • Potatolover3
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:02pm

    So if I go to China can I now be racist to whites but not Chinese people, or Africa? Same goes for the female thing

  • brubeck5
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:07pm

    Fucking idiotic man. You don't have to have institutional privilege to be racist. If someone who's Black refused to hire someone who's Mexican simply because he hates Mexicans that would be RACIST or If someone who's Brown yelled the N word at someone who's Black that'll still be racist. Even though both Blacks and Mexicans don't have any 'privilege' according to sjw's. Racism is independent of any power or privilege, and hence, you CAN be racist against Whites and Sexist against men.

  • Ninja_Arena
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:09pm

    I'm so sick of that line of thought that's it's structural.

    That's just one way it fucking occurs. It's not the fucking definition of racism. It's an example of racism in society you numb nuts

  • amishbreakfast
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:27pm

    Great metal band btw 🤘

  • Subcommandante_Khan
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:32pm

    Straight out of the text book. Word for word. The leftist holy liturgy.

  • magajew
    1 points May 16,2019, 8:36pm

    If you believe that definition of privilege and think that’s a thing that exists then that’s what you do.

  • IllumiXXZoldyck
    -4 points May 16,2019, 4:01pm

    READ THIS CAREFULLY

    Minorities in this country cannot be SYSTEMATICALLY racist as they are not the majority and do not hold SYSTEMIC power. HOWEVER, ANYBODY can be racist as racism deals with BELIEF of which anybody is capable.

    (Had to use caps so people didn’t downvote before they read).

  • heavym
    -5 points May 16,2019, 4:38pm

    man.. i hate this sub when it sinks into this kind of pseudo bull shit.

    [From the side bar]

    These are just a few of the issues discussed on this sub, affecting men and boys from around the globe:

    • Male Genital Mutilation - Circumcision
    • Education Discrimination
    • Lack of social support
    • Legal Discrimination
    • Selective Service - Enforced Military Duty
    • Custody Discrimination
    • False Accusations
    • Vilification
    • Male Disposability
    • Workplace Fatalities

    this... ohhh its bad because i am a white male and people are sexist and racist to me... is GARBAGE and does ZERO to actually deal with the issues that this sub was founded on. Go take your MAGA hats and shove them down your throat.

  • VyseofArcadia
    -6 points May 16,2019, 4:29pm

    Mastodon could have certainly had more tact, but I feel like "sexism against men" is basically the worst possible way to describe men's issues. It immediately conjures up exactly the wrong images and impressions. What we face is not classical sexism the way it's faced by women. We aren't getting catcalled on the street here. We face a variety of specific legal and social issues from a system that favors women in certain specific ways. So I think the solution here is to be specific. Instead of saying, "what about sexism against men?" say "what about the fact that suicide rates are so much higher in men?"

    And, frankly, let's be honest. "Sexism against men" and "racism against whites" have become right wing dog whistles and talking points. They're the same thing as "all lives matter" or "blue lives matter." They're cute Fox News sound bites designed to promote a visceral and divisive reaction from people who really ought to be working together towards the common goal of not being dicks to each other.

    I thing OP was being a dick and trying to get a rise out of @MastodonProject, and it worked. "Get your head out of your ass" is a perfectly valid if rude response, because they recognized it as the right wing sound bite that it is. I'd have gone with "turn off Fox News and talk about the issues like an educated adult" instead.

    OP is acting in bad faith, knowing exactly what kind of rise he'd get out of Mastodon, and then using it to in turn get a rise out of us. He wants us to react in a simplistic knee-jerk way. This is divisive. This is not an "us vs. them" scenario. This is a, "in some ways, odds have been stacked against boys and men in the modern world, and maybe we should re-examine certain core assumptions in our system to make things better" scenario. Frothing at the mouth gets us nothing but being dismissed as out of touch right wing loonies.

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COMMENTS

  • MKE1969
    12 points May 13,2019, 11:06pm

    Lisa’s about to get deplatformed.

  • Elongated_Muskk
    8 points May 14,2019, 9:37am

    The ironic part is that society needs these men more so than the woman.

    Men wire your houses, men build the roofs, men pave the roads, men die in wars, men break their backs to provide for their families. Strong men are the backbone of society, if shit ever hits the fan it'll be these men that put everything back into place, not the university educated woman.

  • Free_kittens2468
    2 points May 14,2019, 1:04am

    YE

COMMENTS

  • MKE1969
    12 points May 13,2019, 11:06pm

    Lisa’s about to get deplatformed.

  • Elongated_Muskk
    8 points May 14,2019, 9:37am

    The ironic part is that society needs these men more so than the woman.

    Men wire your houses, men build the roofs, men pave the roads, men die in wars, men break their backs to provide for their families. Strong men are the backbone of society, if shit ever hits the fan it'll be these men that put everything back into place, not the university educated woman.

  • Free_kittens2468
    2 points May 14,2019, 1:04am

    YE