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The State vs You

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  • Lone_Wandererer
    9 points Jun 19,2019, 4:36pm

    Preach it. There isn’t a single politician we can trust. There is no interest in the citizens well being. There is only agendas.

  • qmx5000
    4 points Jun 19,2019, 5:26pm

    It's pro-democracy workers vs anti-democracy monopolists which want to acquire unearned income without working.

  • ivebeenhereallsummer
    -1 points Jun 19,2019, 5:07pm

    Yeah... but there are a lot of rich white straight men running the state... BUT the state does keep a lot of poor black gay women on welfare to guarantee their votes.

  • secondcomingofbryce
    -8 points Jun 19,2019, 4:40pm

    “Not white vs black” Then why do they hate us?

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  • Lone_Wandererer
    9 points Jun 19,2019, 4:36pm

    Preach it. There isn’t a single politician we can trust. There is no interest in the citizens well being. There is only agendas.

  • qmx5000
    4 points Jun 19,2019, 5:26pm

    It's pro-democracy workers vs anti-democracy monopolists which want to acquire unearned income without working.

  • PostModernCommie
    0 points Jun 19,2019, 7:50pm

    It's rich vs. poor. Always has been.

    In capitalism, the rich control the state.

    Read some Marx to learn more.

  • ivebeenhereallsummer
    -1 points Jun 19,2019, 5:07pm

    Yeah... but there are a lot of rich white straight men running the state... BUT the state does keep a lot of poor black gay women on welfare to guarantee their votes.

  • secondcomingofbryce
    -8 points Jun 19,2019, 4:40pm

    “Not white vs black” Then why do they hate us?

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Wasn't the Internet supposed to die after net neutrality passed?

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  • juice2092
    10 points Jun 18,2019, 5:51pm

    I don’t think anybody thought it was gonna die. Although my internet has gotten significantly slower.

  • The_Best_Balatro
    7 points Jun 18,2019, 5:24pm

    So then why not just keep it on the books to prevent it from happening?

  • Ragiv13
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 8:12pm

    7 out of 9 unsourced statistics on Reddit are made up

  • captainmo017
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 6:06pm

    I hope more states have passed their own net-neutrality laws, if the feds don’t.

  • jstarrHS
    -1 points Jun 18,2019, 6:05pm

    This is sometimes where the libertarian flaw of less government hurts us. In a perfect competitive market this law wouldn't be needed, but since Utilities are gov't created monopolies or oligopolies in most places we sadly need laws to protect the citizens from corporate raping.

  • red_philosopher
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 6:13pm

    Seems like a post hoc fallacy.

    So we're expected to believe that the NN repeal caused near monopolistic companies to all of a sudden spur investment and improve their networks? When they've been known to throttle and prioritize traffic to benefit their own services over their competitors before? When they've conspired to not compete for customers in many areas, so it appears like there's a choice of ISPs when there really isn't? Isn't it more likely that they could easily shape and prioritize speedtesting traffic (especially now that it's perfectly legal to do so) in order to "prove" that repealing NN was good for the consumer? What about technological advancement? How much of this improvement is driven by that? How much of it is driven by the throttling and shaping of legitimate traffic?

    You can demonstrate ISP traffic shaping and prioritization at home. Get a VPN and tunnel all of your traffic. The latency and bandwidth available will stay consistent no matter what you do with it. Remove the VPN, and watch your latencies and available bandwidth change depending on what services you utilize.

    Happens all the time.

    Maybe one day, when they aren't lobbying against the public developing their own networks because the people have no real choice otherwise, maybe I'll believe them. But until they actually welcome competition, they can go take a hike.

  • ready-ignite
    -1 points Jun 18,2019, 6:27pm

    Soft Net Neutrality died.

    Hard Net Neutrality took the idea of Net Neutrality put it through the wood-chipped of legislation. What comes out of that process is generally so mangled and disfigured by riders and special interests stapled to it as to no longer be recognizable.

    Hard Net Neutrality in name only. Net neutrality was dead since the moment Verizon sued successfully to destroy Soft Net Neutrality. Hence no change when Hard Net Neutrality was shut down. The only thing canceled were the ugly riders and special interests attached.

  • captainmo017
    -2 points Jun 18,2019, 6:05pm

    We need to regulate social media companies as if they were public utilities. To ensure that people’s voices are rightfully protected.

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  • juice2092
    10 points Jun 18,2019, 5:51pm

    I don’t think anybody thought it was gonna die. Although my internet has gotten significantly slower.

  • The_Best_Balatro
    7 points Jun 18,2019, 5:24pm

    So then why not just keep it on the books to prevent it from happening?

  • Mattman276
    3 points Jun 18,2019, 5:49pm

    Why is a libertarian against net neutrality? Humans don't get more rights out of this. Internet providers get the ability to charge more for things you are already paying for.

  • Ragiv13
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 8:12pm

    7 out of 9 unsourced statistics on Reddit are made up

  • captainmo017
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 6:06pm

    I hope more states have passed their own net-neutrality laws, if the feds don’t.

  • jstarrHS
    -1 points Jun 18,2019, 6:05pm

    This is sometimes where the libertarian flaw of less government hurts us. In a perfect competitive market this law wouldn't be needed, but since Utilities are gov't created monopolies or oligopolies in most places we sadly need laws to protect the citizens from corporate raping.

  • red_philosopher
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 6:13pm

    Seems like a post hoc fallacy.

    So we're expected to believe that the NN repeal caused near monopolistic companies to all of a sudden spur investment and improve their networks? When they've been known to throttle and prioritize traffic to benefit their own services over their competitors before? When they've conspired to not compete for customers in many areas, so it appears like there's a choice of ISPs when there really isn't? Isn't it more likely that they could easily shape and prioritize speedtesting traffic (especially now that it's perfectly legal to do so) in order to "prove" that repealing NN was good for the consumer? What about technological advancement? How much of this improvement is driven by that? How much of it is driven by the throttling and shaping of legitimate traffic?

    You can demonstrate ISP traffic shaping and prioritization at home. Get a VPN and tunnel all of your traffic. The latency and bandwidth available will stay consistent no matter what you do with it. Remove the VPN, and watch your latencies and available bandwidth change depending on what services you utilize.

    Happens all the time.

    Maybe one day, when they aren't lobbying against the public developing their own networks because the people have no real choice otherwise, maybe I'll believe them. But until they actually welcome competition, they can go take a hike.

  • ready-ignite
    -1 points Jun 18,2019, 6:27pm

    Soft Net Neutrality died.

    Hard Net Neutrality took the idea of Net Neutrality put it through the wood-chipped of legislation. What comes out of that process is generally so mangled and disfigured by riders and special interests stapled to it as to no longer be recognizable.

    Hard Net Neutrality in name only. Net neutrality was dead since the moment Verizon sued successfully to destroy Soft Net Neutrality. Hence no change when Hard Net Neutrality was shut down. The only thing canceled were the ugly riders and special interests attached.

  • captainmo017
    -2 points Jun 18,2019, 6:05pm

    We need to regulate social media companies as if they were public utilities. To ensure that people’s voices are rightfully protected.

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  • 4chan_Is_Way_Better
    2 points Jun 18,2019, 7:58pm

    Bitcoin isn't edible. Believe me, I've tried

  • thisisasecret2018
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 8:28pm

    Soooooo not to be an ass, but what's the point of this post?

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  • 4chan_Is_Way_Better
    2 points Jun 18,2019, 7:58pm

    Bitcoin isn't edible. Believe me, I've tried

  • thisisasecret2018
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 8:28pm

    Soooooo not to be an ass, but what's the point of this post?

  • OnePastafarian
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 8:50pm

    Sure, and it's factored into the price of the transaction

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The NRA is putting out a satire magazine now!

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  • AlphaTangoFoxtrt
    11 points Jun 18,2019, 2:23pm

    Seriously what a great frontpage for a joke publication. Splittin' my sides over here.

    I promise to defend the second amendment rights of every american, and I always will.

    Not Real Activists.
    National Republican Apologists.
    Negotiating Rights Away.

  • dnkdrmstmemes
    3 points Jun 18,2019, 3:27pm

    Guys it’s 25829D chess that he’s letting back door ammo bans get closer and closer due to him constantly trying to ban accessories.

  • birdpear
    3 points Jun 18,2019, 5:46pm

    Trump accomplished more gun control as president than Obama did! Now when you factor in judicial nominations it's a little more hazy, but that doesn't change the fact that Trump is no friend to gun owners.

  • 1ysand3r
    2 points Jun 18,2019, 6:41pm

    Thought this was Mad magazine at first 😂

  • hyintensity
    2 points Jun 18,2019, 7:00pm

    Is this real?

  • Yellow_Blue-Austrian
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 8:05pm

    The NRA and trump are the enemy’s, they are for gun control......join the GOA

  • miketurco
    -6 points Jun 18,2019, 2:30pm

    Is there any way to moderate this group and get rid of shitposts like this one? Or, is there a moderated group that is an alternative?

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  • AlphaTangoFoxtrt
    11 points Jun 18,2019, 2:23pm

    Seriously what a great frontpage for a joke publication. Splittin' my sides over here.

    I promise to defend the second amendment rights of every american, and I always will.

    Not Real Activists.
    National Republican Apologists.
    Negotiating Rights Away.

  • dnkdrmstmemes
    3 points Jun 18,2019, 3:27pm

    Guys it’s 25829D chess that he’s letting back door ammo bans get closer and closer due to him constantly trying to ban accessories.

  • NoMoreNicksLeft
    3 points Jun 18,2019, 4:43pm

    The right for rich men to own $10,000 imported Italian shotguns with inlaid gold filigree shall not be infringed.

  • birdpear
    3 points Jun 18,2019, 5:46pm

    Trump accomplished more gun control as president than Obama did! Now when you factor in judicial nominations it's a little more hazy, but that doesn't change the fact that Trump is no friend to gun owners.

  • 1ysand3r
    2 points Jun 18,2019, 6:41pm

    Thought this was Mad magazine at first 😂

  • hyintensity
    2 points Jun 18,2019, 7:00pm

    Is this real?

  • Yellow_Blue-Austrian
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 8:05pm

    The NRA and trump are the enemy’s, they are for gun control......join the GOA

  • miketurco
    -6 points Jun 18,2019, 2:30pm

    Is there any way to moderate this group and get rid of shitposts like this one? Or, is there a moderated group that is an alternative?

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  • HunterA_FYONE
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 4:48pm

    This is art.

  • Ol_Dirty_Makalov
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 5:17pm

    Remember the Maine

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  • HunterA_FYONE
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 4:48pm

    This is art.

  • Ol_Dirty_Makalov
    1 points Jun 18,2019, 5:17pm

    Remember the Maine

  • Hoontah050601
    -1 points Jun 18,2019, 7:11pm

    "tAxEs eR tHeFt"

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  • Yellow_Blue-Austrian
    2 points Jun 16,2019, 7:50pm

    No step on snek

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    2 points Jun 16,2019, 7:50pm

    No step on snek

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The genius of the New Right Candace Owens, she should spend some time in North Korea,....before she imports their system here.

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  • brickenheimer
    13 points Jun 16,2019, 3:49pm

    If I were President I would ensure that the right of the People to express their dissatisfaction with their corrupt and authoritarian government was protected.

  • Yee-Haww
    13 points Jun 16,2019, 3:26pm

    Her, Charlie Kirk and all of turning point USA are ridiculous. Claim to be a new wave of conservatives but all they do is milk trumps dick

  • DaneDRUNK
    3 points Jun 16,2019, 4:51pm

    The scariest part is that she thinks the president has the power to do any of that.

  • Bobby-Vinson
    7 points Jun 16,2019, 3:21pm

    As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.

    Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln Letters

  • Mopparty440
    2 points Jun 16,2019, 3:36pm

    As much as I hate people burning the flag this seams a little extreme... I don’t think that this is a direction I want to go

  • MeatsimN64
    2 points Jun 16,2019, 6:15pm

    North Koreans wish they could get out by burning a flag

  • Greggorama
    -2 points Jun 16,2019, 4:20pm

    I like Candace Owens, but this idea of criminalizing flag burning is ridiculous, especially for any freedom loving, Constitution venerating American. Just stop already.

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  • brickenheimer
    13 points Jun 16,2019, 3:49pm

    If I were President I would ensure that the right of the People to express their dissatisfaction with their corrupt and authoritarian government was protected.

  • Yee-Haww
    13 points Jun 16,2019, 3:26pm

    Her, Charlie Kirk and all of turning point USA are ridiculous. Claim to be a new wave of conservatives but all they do is milk trumps dick

  • ECM_ECM
    5 points Jun 16,2019, 4:01pm

    Even Antonin Scalia supported flag burning:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._Johnson

  • DaneDRUNK
    3 points Jun 16,2019, 4:51pm

    The scariest part is that she thinks the president has the power to do any of that.

  • Bobby-Vinson
    7 points Jun 16,2019, 3:21pm

    As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.

    Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln Letters

  • Mopparty440
    2 points Jun 16,2019, 3:36pm

    As much as I hate people burning the flag this seams a little extreme... I don’t think that this is a direction I want to go

  • MeatsimN64
    2 points Jun 16,2019, 6:15pm

    North Koreans wish they could get out by burning a flag

  • Greggorama
    -2 points Jun 16,2019, 4:20pm

    I like Candace Owens, but this idea of criminalizing flag burning is ridiculous, especially for any freedom loving, Constitution venerating American. Just stop already.

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This just belongs here!

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  • AlphaTongoFoxtrt
    13 points Jun 14,2019, 10:55am

    This joke gets funnier every time its reposted.

  • misespises
    9 points Jun 14,2019, 11:14am

    Pretty damn close, but the government should be much, much fatter.

  • ThorHammerDong
    0 points Jun 14,2019, 11:05am

    What a bitch...

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    13 points Jun 14,2019, 10:55am

    This joke gets funnier every time its reposted.

  • misespises
    9 points Jun 14,2019, 11:14am

    Pretty damn close, but the government should be much, much fatter.

  • MizchiefKilz
    5 points Jun 14,2019, 2:12pm

    So let the government have all of your money, or constantly fight them for it while they fuck you in the ass.

  • ThorHammerDong
    0 points Jun 14,2019, 11:05am

    What a bitch...

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May ends with the maximum historical govt spending

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  • DG2F
    11 points Jun 13,2019, 10:25am

    The party of small government my ass.

  • AlphaTangoFoxtrt
    11 points Jun 13,2019, 12:22pm

    The party of fiscal responsibility everybody!

    And before the republicans come in and cry "But muh democrats have the house!!" The 2019 budget was passed in 2018 under a fully republican congress.

  • blix88
    0 points Jun 13,2019, 10:25am

    Can you link to the source?

    Is this adjusted for 2% inflation per year?

    Looks like a consistent curve no matter which political party is in power.

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  • DG2F
    11 points Jun 13,2019, 10:25am

    The party of small government my ass.

  • AlphaTangoFoxtrt
    11 points Jun 13,2019, 12:22pm

    The party of fiscal responsibility everybody!

    And before the republicans come in and cry "But muh democrats have the house!!" The 2019 budget was passed in 2018 under a fully republican congress.

  • LibertyTerp
    2 points Jun 13,2019, 1:36pm

    Is there any way to control spending other than a Dem president and Republicans in at least one house of Congress?

    All Rs = huge spending

    All Ds = mindblowing spending

    R president, Ds in Congress = huge spending

    D president, Rs in Congress = reasonable spending. Rs pretend to care about government spending only when a Democrat is President.

  • blix88
    0 points Jun 13,2019, 10:25am

    Can you link to the source?

    Is this adjusted for 2% inflation per year?

    Looks like a consistent curve no matter which political party is in power.

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  • anonoman925
    29 points Jun 12,2019, 12:38am

    Yes.

    I haven’t heard a thank you from those increased farm subsidies.

  • CHOLO_ORACLE
    7 points Jun 12,2019, 10:59am

    To want there to be charity is to want the existence of an underclass that grovels before the gifts from their betters.

  • lobsterharmonica1667
    6 points Jun 12,2019, 10:11am

    But also more donors and recipients.

    Also read his dissent in Lawrence v Texas

  • 3lRey
    3 points Jun 12,2019, 10:14am

    BIGG BOY

  • AcceptableBother
    3 points Jun 12,2019, 12:57pm

    Didn't this dude die while on a free vacation at someone's ranch?

    Isn't that charity?

  • Senor_Martillo
    1 points Jun 12,2019, 12:37am

    OP can you even find time to chortle your daddy trumps balls in between all the boot licking?

    Fuck outta here with this shit.

  • Fernoklumpener
    1 points Jun 12,2019, 12:30am

    He wants to harden social hierarchies by forcing the poor to bootlick the rich just in order to survive

  • luey_hewis
    -2 points Jun 12,2019, 12:19am

    Ah one of those bootlicker trumpists who claims to be libertarian. I mean you could be a Trumpist all you want but you don’t have to be all vegan CrossFit douche about it which you all seem to be.

  • Mist_Rising
    -7 points Jun 11,2019, 10:59pm

    If your whole basis for giving is to feel happy, you may be doing it wrong, and as a legal argument this has to be a piss poor one.

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  • anonoman925
    29 points Jun 12,2019, 12:38am

    Yes.

    I haven’t heard a thank you from those increased farm subsidies.

  • CHOLO_ORACLE
    7 points Jun 12,2019, 10:59am

    To want there to be charity is to want the existence of an underclass that grovels before the gifts from their betters.

  • corso2
    21 points Jun 12,2019, 2:41am

    Scalia voted for censorship, govt promoting religion, sex laws, creationism.... He was a pretty bad judge.

  • lobsterharmonica1667
    6 points Jun 12,2019, 10:11am

    But also more donors and recipients.

    Also read his dissent in Lawrence v Texas

  • 3lRey
    3 points Jun 12,2019, 10:14am

    BIGG BOY

  • AcceptableBother
    3 points Jun 12,2019, 12:57pm

    Didn't this dude die while on a free vacation at someone's ranch?

    Isn't that charity?

  • Senor_Martillo
    1 points Jun 12,2019, 12:37am

    OP can you even find time to chortle your daddy trumps balls in between all the boot licking?

    Fuck outta here with this shit.

  • Fernoklumpener
    1 points Jun 12,2019, 12:30am

    He wants to harden social hierarchies by forcing the poor to bootlick the rich just in order to survive

  • luey_hewis
    -2 points Jun 12,2019, 12:19am

    Ah one of those bootlicker trumpists who claims to be libertarian. I mean you could be a Trumpist all you want but you don’t have to be all vegan CrossFit douche about it which you all seem to be.

  • Mist_Rising
    -7 points Jun 11,2019, 10:59pm

    If your whole basis for giving is to feel happy, you may be doing it wrong, and as a legal argument this has to be a piss poor one.