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Should the Government?

/r/Libertarian: Free Markets, Free Societies, Free Minds

COMMENTS

  • PieNyan
    200 points Jun 20,2018, 8:15am

    The government: * exists *

    r/libertarian niggas:

  • Mar390
    71 points Jun 20,2018, 9:02am

    -The government should not take away guns.

    -The government should respect the Bill of Rights.

    -The government should balance the budget.

    Checkmate Libertarians.

  • Parado-I
    14 points Jun 20,2018, 11:16am

    Socialism is when the government does something, and the more somethings it does, the more Soclialister it is.

  • DTRevengeance
    9 points Jun 20,2018, 10:55am

    the government should, because we live in a society

  • hotdawgss
    3 points Jun 20,2018, 9:49am

    This sub is a cesspool of low effort, over simplifying memes.

  • HTownian25
    5 points Jun 20,2018, 9:01am

    We can't have Government but not Government, so we need Government to do both until it does neither, which will never happen!

    ~ /r/thoritarian

  • Worrywort___
    -1 points Jun 20,2018, 10:16am

    Should the government enforce the law not to murder? -No

    Come on r/libertarian, you're better than this.

  • HeNeverLies4
    -1 points Jun 20,2018, 10:18am

    Yeah like this just looks like yall are brainwashed to hate the government.

  • bigbeaudelindeau
    1 points Jun 20,2018, 11:40am

    Should the government protect private property?

  • sleepeejack
    1 points Jun 20,2018, 11:45am

    “... protect property interests?”

    Welcome to r/anarchism, y’all!

  • kcox1980
    1 points Jun 20,2018, 11:55am

    Hey I went to high school with that guy.

  • zeperf
    1 points Jun 20,2018, 12:00pm

    Should the *federal government

  • linuxwes
    1 points Jun 20,2018, 10:50am

    That reminds me a little anecdote. My mom was on the local school board back in the late 90s. They wanted to pass a bond, and toward that end they hired a consultant to advise them. One of the things the consultant told them was "There is a subset of the voters who always show up to vote, and they always vote No on any expenditures. You will never sway them, so don't waste your time." Mom relayed this with a laugh that "they're on to us".

  • StratonOakmont
    1 points Jun 20,2018, 11:24am

    Ah yes, blind rhetoric that pushes the “every single thing the government does is bad” narrative. That’s exactly what we need.

  • Kidtuf
    -28 points Jun 20,2018, 8:47am
  • LiveForFuzz
    -12 points Jun 20,2018, 10:19am

    lol at this being a real ideology that people actually think has important insights into how the world should work

  • flarn2006
    -3 points Jun 20,2018, 10:43am

    ... "leave us alone?"

COMMENTS

  • PieNyan
    200 points Jun 20,2018, 8:15am

    The government: * exists *

    r/libertarian niggas:

  • Mar390
    71 points Jun 20,2018, 9:02am

    -The government should not take away guns.

    -The government should respect the Bill of Rights.

    -The government should balance the budget.

    Checkmate Libertarians.

  • Parado-I
    14 points Jun 20,2018, 11:16am

    Socialism is when the government does something, and the more somethings it does, the more Soclialister it is.

  • Falkens
    2 points Jun 20,2018, 11:40am

    ... Build roads?

  • DTRevengeance
    9 points Jun 20,2018, 10:55am

    the government should, because we live in a society

  • hotdawgss
    3 points Jun 20,2018, 9:49am

    This sub is a cesspool of low effort, over simplifying memes.

  • HTownian25
    5 points Jun 20,2018, 9:01am

    We can't have Government but not Government, so we need Government to do both until it does neither, which will never happen!

    ~ /r/thoritarian

  • Worrywort___
    -1 points Jun 20,2018, 10:16am

    Should the government enforce the law not to murder? -No

    Come on r/libertarian, you're better than this.

  • HeNeverLies4
    -1 points Jun 20,2018, 10:18am

    Yeah like this just looks like yall are brainwashed to hate the government.

  • bigbeaudelindeau
    1 points Jun 20,2018, 11:40am

    Should the government protect private property?

  • sleepeejack
    1 points Jun 20,2018, 11:45am

    “... protect property interests?”

    Welcome to r/anarchism, y’all!

  • kcox1980
    1 points Jun 20,2018, 11:55am

    Hey I went to high school with that guy.

  • zeperf
    1 points Jun 20,2018, 12:00pm

    Should the *federal government

  • linuxwes
    1 points Jun 20,2018, 10:50am

    That reminds me a little anecdote. My mom was on the local school board back in the late 90s. They wanted to pass a bond, and toward that end they hired a consultant to advise them. One of the things the consultant told them was "There is a subset of the voters who always show up to vote, and they always vote No on any expenditures. You will never sway them, so don't waste your time." Mom relayed this with a laugh that "they're on to us".

  • StratonOakmont
    1 points Jun 20,2018, 11:24am

    Ah yes, blind rhetoric that pushes the “every single thing the government does is bad” narrative. That’s exactly what we need.

  • Kidtuf
    -28 points Jun 20,2018, 8:47am
  • LiveForFuzz
    -12 points Jun 20,2018, 10:19am

    lol at this being a real ideology that people actually think has important insights into how the world should work

  • flarn2006
    -3 points Jun 20,2018, 10:43am

    ... "leave us alone?"

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Can a homie get some REAL individualism in this sub?

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COMMENTS

  • DumbGayWalrus
    3 points Jun 19,2018, 3:01pm

    Egoism <3

  • Mar390
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 1:11pm

    *Looks at the castle doctrine.*

  • apricotasd28
    0 points Jun 19,2018, 6:08pm

    Okay? Witty observation I guess, but completely worthless.

    The government calls violently kidnapping a child rapist their own law, because no shit?

    Get this ancap shit out of here man.

COMMENTS

  • DumbGayWalrus
    3 points Jun 19,2018, 3:01pm

    Egoism <3

  • Mar390
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 1:11pm

    *Looks at the castle doctrine.*

  • apricotasd28
    0 points Jun 19,2018, 6:08pm

    Okay? Witty observation I guess, but completely worthless.

    The government calls violently kidnapping a child rapist their own law, because no shit?

    Get this ancap shit out of here man.

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Feminism 2018 is socialism in a nutshell

/r/Libertarian: Free Markets, Free Societies, Free Minds

COMMENTS

  • The-Only-Logan
    153 points Jun 19,2018, 11:29am

    But it says 2016

  • worldclassmathlete
    285 points Jun 19,2018, 12:35pm

    I also want maternity leave, even though I am childless, and a man. Because paid time off is awesome. But that shouldn't have any government involvement.

  • Kanaric
    189 points Jun 19,2018, 1:22pm

    It's called vacation time and you should have it already.

    I am always suspicious of out of context screencaps like this though. What is she actually wanting in the article.

    Read the article. She basically wants like a 3 month vacation once every 10 years or so and men get it too. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all.

    This is why I hate posts like this. It just radicalizes people. She's not asking for anything insane and not demanding the government provide it. She said she took a leave of absence from work herself to do this because she's getting burned out and wrote a book about it. Fictional novel.

    She then realized she liked working and it was a waste of time.

  • Shaman_Bond
    31 points Jun 19,2018, 11:27am

    Shouldn't this be between the employer and the employee? Why are you so anti-free-market?

  • Opcn
    24 points Jun 19,2018, 1:35pm

    This isn't a libertarian issue. People are welcome to want time off, or to take time off in agreement with their employer.

  • TexasHam
    15 points Jun 19,2018, 12:45pm

    Is she wanting this to be a government decision? Or is this a decision between the employer and employee? Because an employer can do this if they are fine with it

  • IPredictAReddit
    22 points Jun 19,2018, 2:22pm

    Oh no, a productive employee wants something from their employer! They must be socialist, because all us good capitalists never, ever, ever ask for anything except what our kind, benevolent owners bestow upon us.

    I guess we'll toss "asking for some time off" onto the pile of "things that comprise socialism in r/libertarian".

    It's getting to be a pretty big pile.

  • Tink2072
    10 points Jun 19,2018, 1:52pm

    First, I agree with everyone that says this should be an employee / employer thing and that government should stay out of it.

    Second, I support this. For men and women. You shouldn’t be penalized for not having a kid or being a guy. Especially when you’re the one that picks up the slack when someone else is on maternity leave.

    New Belgium Brewing has a 93% employee retention rate and gives their employees a 4 week paid sabbatical after 10, 20, and 30 years of employment on top of their PTO.

  • BillyG04t
    6 points Jun 19,2018, 4:19pm

    She just wants a vacation. The story shouldn't revolve around a joke, but it does because "I want reasonable vacation time" isn't a very interesting title.

  • AlphaTangoFoxtrt
    13 points Jun 19,2018, 11:58am

    Who cares? If an employer wants to give it to them, then let them. my employer gives me "bonding leave" which I used when I got a new rescue dog. 3 weeks off to stay home and bond with the new dog and make sure he got along with my existing dogs.

    It's a private employer making private decisions.

  • Blonguin
    4 points Jun 19,2018, 3:50pm

    Wait, so I'm a socialist here. Don't want to start an argument, I just follow this sub to see what Libertarians think/discuss. And I'm surprised at this post. Are libertarians anti-feminists? Or do they just believe that the feminism of 'today' is no good?

  • BoiseShooter556
    7 points Jun 19,2018, 12:01pm

    It is dumb, but I don't blame her. If it would have otherwise been provided to you if you choose to have a kid, why can you not have it for choosing not to, as devil's advocate. Seems kinda like cashing in unused vacation time.

  • Barefoot_Raphsode
    3 points Jun 19,2018, 3:06pm

    And the fact that this article is from 2+ years ago shows the state of intellectual honesty in 2018

  • Like1OngoingOrgasm
    3 points Jun 19,2018, 4:26pm

    She's not a socialist, and this isn't socialism. Checking out her articles in Self, I notice she writes a lot about investment and finance. She's a capitalist.

    And she's a rather silly and easy target. Basically writes cosmo articles.

  • Ninjamin_King
    2 points Jun 19,2018, 3:34pm

    "Your criminal records have also been expunged. However, I have to warn you against breaking any laws in the future."
    "Question. What if I see something that I wanna take and it belongs to someone else?"
    "Then you will be arrested."
    "But what if I want it more than the person who has it?"
    "Still illegal."
    "That doesn't follow. No, I want it more, sir. Do you understand me? What are you laughing at? What? I can't have a discussion with this gentleman?"

    -Rocket Raccoon (or any statist)

  • ogearty
    2 points Jun 19,2018, 3:58pm

    Feminism 2018

    That's a picture from an article written in early 2016 but sure I get the idea.

  • Gfscbbjgfvj
    2 points Jun 19,2018, 5:40pm

    This is so spot on. Take their complaints about income disparity, which averages the incomes of all men and women across all careers. Thats not a call for gender equality, thats just a backdoor to socialism.

    In my experience, wealthy, succesful women have to deal with a lot of hostility from “feminists”.

  • hippymule
    3 points Jun 19,2018, 3:00pm

    No OP. This is some clickbaity karma whoring.

  • TheGuyATX
    4 points Jun 19,2018, 3:20pm

    "I'm a non-smoker and want smoke breaks too"

    I mean...good logic and all, but this is the internet, so fuck that

  • PeakLL
    5 points Jun 19,2018, 12:39pm

    This is why I love owning a business. If you come to me with something like this, I immediately show you the door.

  • yoboymkm
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 1:53pm

    She looks like my highschool chemistry teacher

  • SAMUELQQ
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 4:25pm

    Someone Shoot Me Plz

  • MoreLibertyPlease
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 5:11pm

    So.... A leave of absence??

  • lancerelliott
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 5:25pm

    U must gib timez off ma-le

  • Dutchtroll5
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 5:46pm

    Think the term she's looking for is "Paid Time Off." Maternity leave is for those that have kids. Otherwise you're just a regular person requesting time off, nothing special about you.

  • Nathan_RH
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 5:55pm

    ...

    I don’t even know what the word feminism means anymore.

  • swagadone
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 6:11pm

    It's been that way for a long time.

  • REDDITOR_3333
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 6:25pm

    I want, I deserve, I ought to have X instead of working for it.

  • ShaveYourNeckbeard
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 6:27pm

    Heyyyy libertarian socialist here... The sentiment in that headline is insanely stupid IMO and without the text of the article I can only assume (hope) it's click bait. Please don't label anything you don't like as socialism because it's often far from the mark. Criticize real socialist positions all you want, totally fair, but please don't lump in stupid stuff like this...

  • Logicalist
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 6:53pm

    Abortion, contraception and medical care are still relaxant issues.

  • Fieryshit
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 7:08pm

    wtf I identify as a woman now.

  • ballista17
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 7:51pm

    This is such a bad post. First, this has nothing to do with libertarianism. Second, if you actually look into this, that’s not what this woman is saying at all. She wrote a FICTIONAL book where a character fakes pregnancy for maternity leave. Do some bloody research

  • JesusIsMyZoloft
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 8:46pm

    I want to park in the handicap space, but without being disabled.

  • BakuninsWorld
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 3:27pm

    how are you people this moronic. this sub makes me feel like the most educated person on earth

  • cubicthreads
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 4:15pm

    Being fat will help.

  • maxout2142
    0 points Jun 19,2018, 1:02pm

    This cant be real can it?

  • the-crotch
    0 points Jun 19,2018, 3:01pm

    So she wants to be a housewife? Isn't that the opposite of feminism?

  • Midnight1131
    0 points Jun 19,2018, 4:09pm

    There’s something about saying “I need to go pick up my child” as a reason to leave the office on time that has far more gravitas than, say, “My best friend just got ghosted by her OkCupid date and needs a margarita” — but both sides are valid.

    No, they're not.

  • BasedCapitalist
    -4 points Jun 19,2018, 2:38pm

    entitlement is a mental disorder

    you are not special.

    you are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.

    you are the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

  • cuteman
    -2 points Jun 19,2018, 3:41pm

    She will just have cats and demand daycare subsidy.

  • surferofkinds
    -4 points Jun 19,2018, 2:59pm

    "i want unemployment, disability, and reparations. even though I'm a working able bodied white cunt"

COMMENTS

  • The-Only-Logan
    153 points Jun 19,2018, 11:29am

    But it says 2016

  • worldclassmathlete
    285 points Jun 19,2018, 12:35pm

    I also want maternity leave, even though I am childless, and a man. Because paid time off is awesome. But that shouldn't have any government involvement.

  • Kanaric
    189 points Jun 19,2018, 1:22pm

    It's called vacation time and you should have it already.

    I am always suspicious of out of context screencaps like this though. What is she actually wanting in the article.

    Read the article. She basically wants like a 3 month vacation once every 10 years or so and men get it too. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all.

    This is why I hate posts like this. It just radicalizes people. She's not asking for anything insane and not demanding the government provide it. She said she took a leave of absence from work herself to do this because she's getting burned out and wrote a book about it. Fictional novel.

    She then realized she liked working and it was a waste of time.

  • coffeebeard1
    46 points Jun 19,2018, 1:32pm

    Why is this on this sub?

  • Shaman_Bond
    31 points Jun 19,2018, 11:27am

    Shouldn't this be between the employer and the employee? Why are you so anti-free-market?

  • Opcn
    24 points Jun 19,2018, 1:35pm

    This isn't a libertarian issue. People are welcome to want time off, or to take time off in agreement with their employer.

  • TexasHam
    15 points Jun 19,2018, 12:45pm

    Is she wanting this to be a government decision? Or is this a decision between the employer and employee? Because an employer can do this if they are fine with it

  • IPredictAReddit
    22 points Jun 19,2018, 2:22pm

    Oh no, a productive employee wants something from their employer! They must be socialist, because all us good capitalists never, ever, ever ask for anything except what our kind, benevolent owners bestow upon us.

    I guess we'll toss "asking for some time off" onto the pile of "things that comprise socialism in r/libertarian".

    It's getting to be a pretty big pile.

  • Tink2072
    10 points Jun 19,2018, 1:52pm

    First, I agree with everyone that says this should be an employee / employer thing and that government should stay out of it.

    Second, I support this. For men and women. You shouldn’t be penalized for not having a kid or being a guy. Especially when you’re the one that picks up the slack when someone else is on maternity leave.

    New Belgium Brewing has a 93% employee retention rate and gives their employees a 4 week paid sabbatical after 10, 20, and 30 years of employment on top of their PTO.

  • BillyG04t
    6 points Jun 19,2018, 4:19pm

    She just wants a vacation. The story shouldn't revolve around a joke, but it does because "I want reasonable vacation time" isn't a very interesting title.

  • AlphaTangoFoxtrt
    13 points Jun 19,2018, 11:58am

    Who cares? If an employer wants to give it to them, then let them. my employer gives me "bonding leave" which I used when I got a new rescue dog. 3 weeks off to stay home and bond with the new dog and make sure he got along with my existing dogs.

    It's a private employer making private decisions.

  • Blonguin
    4 points Jun 19,2018, 3:50pm

    Wait, so I'm a socialist here. Don't want to start an argument, I just follow this sub to see what Libertarians think/discuss. And I'm surprised at this post. Are libertarians anti-feminists? Or do they just believe that the feminism of 'today' is no good?

  • BoiseShooter556
    7 points Jun 19,2018, 12:01pm

    It is dumb, but I don't blame her. If it would have otherwise been provided to you if you choose to have a kid, why can you not have it for choosing not to, as devil's advocate. Seems kinda like cashing in unused vacation time.

  • Barefoot_Raphsode
    3 points Jun 19,2018, 3:06pm

    And the fact that this article is from 2+ years ago shows the state of intellectual honesty in 2018

  • Like1OngoingOrgasm
    3 points Jun 19,2018, 4:26pm

    She's not a socialist, and this isn't socialism. Checking out her articles in Self, I notice she writes a lot about investment and finance. She's a capitalist.

    And she's a rather silly and easy target. Basically writes cosmo articles.

  • Ninjamin_King
    2 points Jun 19,2018, 3:34pm

    "Your criminal records have also been expunged. However, I have to warn you against breaking any laws in the future."
    "Question. What if I see something that I wanna take and it belongs to someone else?"
    "Then you will be arrested."
    "But what if I want it more than the person who has it?"
    "Still illegal."
    "That doesn't follow. No, I want it more, sir. Do you understand me? What are you laughing at? What? I can't have a discussion with this gentleman?"

    -Rocket Raccoon (or any statist)

  • ogearty
    2 points Jun 19,2018, 3:58pm

    Feminism 2018

    That's a picture from an article written in early 2016 but sure I get the idea.

  • Gfscbbjgfvj
    2 points Jun 19,2018, 5:40pm

    This is so spot on. Take their complaints about income disparity, which averages the incomes of all men and women across all careers. Thats not a call for gender equality, thats just a backdoor to socialism.

    In my experience, wealthy, succesful women have to deal with a lot of hostility from “feminists”.

  • hippymule
    3 points Jun 19,2018, 3:00pm

    No OP. This is some clickbaity karma whoring.

  • TheGuyATX
    4 points Jun 19,2018, 3:20pm

    "I'm a non-smoker and want smoke breaks too"

    I mean...good logic and all, but this is the internet, so fuck that

  • PeakLL
    5 points Jun 19,2018, 12:39pm

    This is why I love owning a business. If you come to me with something like this, I immediately show you the door.

  • yoboymkm
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 1:53pm

    She looks like my highschool chemistry teacher

  • SAMUELQQ
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 4:25pm

    Someone Shoot Me Plz

  • MoreLibertyPlease
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 5:11pm

    So.... A leave of absence??

  • lancerelliott
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 5:25pm

    U must gib timez off ma-le

  • Dutchtroll5
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 5:46pm

    Think the term she's looking for is "Paid Time Off." Maternity leave is for those that have kids. Otherwise you're just a regular person requesting time off, nothing special about you.

  • Nathan_RH
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 5:55pm

    ...

    I don’t even know what the word feminism means anymore.

  • swagadone
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 6:11pm

    It's been that way for a long time.

  • REDDITOR_3333
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 6:25pm

    I want, I deserve, I ought to have X instead of working for it.

  • ShaveYourNeckbeard
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 6:27pm

    Heyyyy libertarian socialist here... The sentiment in that headline is insanely stupid IMO and without the text of the article I can only assume (hope) it's click bait. Please don't label anything you don't like as socialism because it's often far from the mark. Criticize real socialist positions all you want, totally fair, but please don't lump in stupid stuff like this...

  • Logicalist
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 6:53pm

    Abortion, contraception and medical care are still relaxant issues.

  • Fieryshit
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 7:08pm

    wtf I identify as a woman now.

  • ballista17
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 7:51pm

    This is such a bad post. First, this has nothing to do with libertarianism. Second, if you actually look into this, that’s not what this woman is saying at all. She wrote a FICTIONAL book where a character fakes pregnancy for maternity leave. Do some bloody research

  • JesusIsMyZoloft
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 8:46pm

    I want to park in the handicap space, but without being disabled.

  • BakuninsWorld
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 3:27pm

    how are you people this moronic. this sub makes me feel like the most educated person on earth

  • cubicthreads
    1 points Jun 19,2018, 4:15pm

    Being fat will help.

  • maxout2142
    0 points Jun 19,2018, 1:02pm

    This cant be real can it?

  • the-crotch
    0 points Jun 19,2018, 3:01pm

    So she wants to be a housewife? Isn't that the opposite of feminism?

  • Midnight1131
    0 points Jun 19,2018, 4:09pm

    There’s something about saying “I need to go pick up my child” as a reason to leave the office on time that has far more gravitas than, say, “My best friend just got ghosted by her OkCupid date and needs a margarita” — but both sides are valid.

    No, they're not.

  • BasedCapitalist
    -4 points Jun 19,2018, 2:38pm

    entitlement is a mental disorder

    you are not special.

    you are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.

    you are the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

  • cuteman
    -2 points Jun 19,2018, 3:41pm

    She will just have cats and demand daycare subsidy.

  • surferofkinds
    -4 points Jun 19,2018, 2:59pm

    "i want unemployment, disability, and reparations. even though I'm a working able bodied white cunt"

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funniest thing I’ve read all day

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COMMENTS

  • Kanyetarian
    1 points Jun 16,2018, 7:49pm

    backed by the full faith and credit of the united states government

    weird way of spelling "nothing"

COMMENTS

  • Kanyetarian
    1 points Jun 16,2018, 7:49pm

    backed by the full faith and credit of the united states government

    weird way of spelling "nothing"

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"The treasury creates wealth aka currency"

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COMMENTS

  • libertyadvocate
    11 points Jun 15,2018, 10:43am

    Lol big surprise a leftist doesn't understand basic economics. Creating currency just divides the wealth into smaller fractions. That's like saying the pizza cutter is what makes pizza

  • ThrombBone
    2 points Jun 15,2018, 7:19pm

    You can't argue with people who don't understand logic or have any concept of common sense.

  • haroldp
    2 points Jun 15,2018, 1:50pm

    I feel your pain, but just as a note...

    Everyone who participates (fairly) in the economy, at every level, creates wealth. Risk-taking entrepreneurs create wealth. Broom-pushing janitors create wealth. Consumers create wealth. Each is absolutely vital to the equation. Don't be tempted to subscribe to that Romney-nomics perspective that everyone below the entrepreneur is some kind of leach.

  • Critical_Finance
    -4 points Jun 15,2018, 11:41am

    It doesn't create wealth.

    But nobody is forcing you to use govt/fed printed money if you don't like. Use gold or stocks instead

COMMENTS

  • libertyadvocate
    11 points Jun 15,2018, 10:43am

    Lol big surprise a leftist doesn't understand basic economics. Creating currency just divides the wealth into smaller fractions. That's like saying the pizza cutter is what makes pizza

  • ThrombBone
    2 points Jun 15,2018, 7:19pm

    You can't argue with people who don't understand logic or have any concept of common sense.

  • haroldp
    2 points Jun 15,2018, 1:50pm

    I feel your pain, but just as a note...

    Everyone who participates (fairly) in the economy, at every level, creates wealth. Risk-taking entrepreneurs create wealth. Broom-pushing janitors create wealth. Consumers create wealth. Each is absolutely vital to the equation. Don't be tempted to subscribe to that Romney-nomics perspective that everyone below the entrepreneur is some kind of leach.

  • bhknb
    1 points Jun 15,2018, 5:49pm

    Wow. I always thought it was a gotcha type argument when asked if endless wealth can be created by printing money. I see now that I underestimate the ability of your average economic ignoramus to consider the most simple logic.

  • Critical_Finance
    -4 points Jun 15,2018, 11:41am

    It doesn't create wealth.

    But nobody is forcing you to use govt/fed printed money if you don't like. Use gold or stocks instead

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  • narwhale111
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 5:40pm

    Rothbard's Anatomy of the State is a pretty good read. He essentially said that government associates one's homeland with the state itself, so people's natural pride in their homeland turns into patriotism for the state. Felt like it was relevant here.

  • HTownian25
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 6:32pm

    Good meme

  • Gnome_Sane
    0 points Jun 14,2018, 6:41pm

    So in the perfect libertarian state, libertarians don't respect other people's property rights? It's just "arbitrarily defined land"?

    It's so crazy that the movement can't get more than 3% of the vote with positions like that, gnome sane?

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  • narwhale111
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 5:40pm

    Rothbard's Anatomy of the State is a pretty good read. He essentially said that government associates one's homeland with the state itself, so people's natural pride in their homeland turns into patriotism for the state. Felt like it was relevant here.

  • HTownian25
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 6:32pm

    Good meme

  • Gnome_Sane
    0 points Jun 14,2018, 6:41pm

    So in the perfect libertarian state, libertarians don't respect other people's property rights? It's just "arbitrarily defined land"?

    It's so crazy that the movement can't get more than 3% of the vote with positions like that, gnome sane?

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  • bbplay_13
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 7:34pm

    But the free market on this sub has decided that socialism sux.

    I agree though. I like a few good memes here and there to balance out this subreddit, but we should be talking about Libertarianism and the future of Libertarianism.

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  • bbplay_13
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 7:34pm

    But the free market on this sub has decided that socialism sux.

    I agree though. I like a few good memes here and there to balance out this subreddit, but we should be talking about Libertarianism and the future of Libertarianism.

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  • Nostromodamus
    7 points Jun 14,2018, 7:14pm

    Ending the war on drugs?

  • mracidglee
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 8:42pm

    Less gubmint.

    Ending domestic surveillance.

    Using the armed forces for defense only.

  • fatfuckpikachu
    4 points Jun 14,2018, 7:15pm

    taxation is theft.

  • ReubenZWeiner
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 8:38pm

    Mistrust of authority, limitation of the State, and killing tyranny.

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  • Nostromodamus
    7 points Jun 14,2018, 7:14pm

    Ending the war on drugs?

  • mracidglee
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 8:42pm

    Less gubmint.

    Ending domestic surveillance.

    Using the armed forces for defense only.

  • fatfuckpikachu
    4 points Jun 14,2018, 7:15pm

    taxation is theft.

  • _Vita_
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 8:13pm

    Opposition to the state enforced death penalty. Not on moral grounds, but on limiting state power.

  • ReubenZWeiner
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 8:38pm

    Mistrust of authority, limitation of the State, and killing tyranny.

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  • _Human_Being
    21 points Jun 14,2018, 2:22pm

    I never understood the logic behind restricting highly skilled immigration. It's literally a win-win for the destination country- you get a highly skilled person which is a loss for the source country (aka your competitor).

  • pdace89
    25 points Jun 14,2018, 1:26pm

    Careful, all the "libertarians" are gonna come at you with how its okay to take away rights because of welfare.

  • dissidentrhetoric
    8 points Jun 14,2018, 6:19pm

    Open borders would destroy western civilisation. If that is your goal then I can see what you might be in favour of it.

  • valivian
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 7:02pm

    I actually want way more borders. The amount you'd have in a private property society.

  • Thelastseeder
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 8:33pm

    Open borders is what lead to the downfall of the Western Roman Empire. You can’t have a welfare state AND free immigration (I remember hearing a famous speaker say that but I cannot remember his name).

  • yoinker
    5 points Jun 14,2018, 5:08pm

    For my fellow open-borders chums:

    "... libertarians who see the welfare state as an argument for restricting immigration are straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel." lol caplan, always so good at owning the cons

    http://www.econlib.org/archives/2012/02/griswold_on_imm.html

    https://openborders.info/bryan-caplan/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy

  • lordhugh
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 7:57pm

    So was I.

  • TheFirstThingsNext
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 8:27pm

    Maybe I’m not a “full-fledged” libertarian. I think government is very useful when it’s role is reduced to national security and protection of personal property. While I don’t think protected borders is an absolute necessity for national security, I do see it as a means of reducing the variables that could cause problems.

    Keep them out of the free market, get rid of (or privatize) regulations, get rid of all laws that don’t deal directly with violence or damage to personal property and I’m pretty happy.

  • PaperbackWriter66
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 5:49pm

    Seriously though, I think we should strongly consider ditching the term "open borders" in favor of "decentralized immigration" or "unregulated immigration". Or, better yet, "Shall Issue Immigration", the idea being that Green Cards, like CCW Permits, shall be issued to all immigrants who apply and meet some basic, objective criteria (no criminal convictions, promise to pay taxes/not use welfare).

    "Open borders" makes too many people think of a horde of Huns sweeping over the hill and destroying your country, or a boat full of migrants just turning up and snatching welfare money and voting. But that's not what is truly meant by "open borders".

    What we mean is that people would be able to emigrate legally from one place to another with few, if any restrictions. "Legally" is a very important word, because it means there is still some government control of the process--immigrants are checked for a criminal record, for instance--but not the kind of government control we have currently, where the govt. excludes the vast majority of would-be immigrants from coming here legally and then makes it very difficult for the few who will be allowed in legally to come here at all.

    TLDR: I do not think the term "open borders" is helpful to persuading people of the merits of the policy.

  • afatpanda12
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 7:34pm

    Open borders DO NOT WORK

    We've tried it in Europe and all it has achieved is pissing off the working and lower-middle classes

    By pushing this contraversial issue you are alienating potential libertarian voters

    Poll after poll taken here in the UK has shown that the vast majority of people want a reduction in immigration, and a majority want a DRASTIC reduction, we will not gain any support by being the "party of open borders"

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  • _Human_Being
    21 points Jun 14,2018, 2:22pm

    I never understood the logic behind restricting highly skilled immigration. It's literally a win-win for the destination country- you get a highly skilled person which is a loss for the source country (aka your competitor).

  • pdace89
    25 points Jun 14,2018, 1:26pm

    Careful, all the "libertarians" are gonna come at you with how its okay to take away rights because of welfare.

  • dissidentrhetoric
    8 points Jun 14,2018, 6:19pm

    Open borders would destroy western civilisation. If that is your goal then I can see what you might be in favour of it.

  • AlejQueTriste
    12 points Jun 14,2018, 3:03pm

    I've pointed out before, that with both open borders and no minimum wage, the influx of poorer workers from other countries will stagnate low education jobs and hurt the middle class. I have no idea how it can be implemented without utterly gutting the middle class.

  • valivian
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 7:02pm

    I actually want way more borders. The amount you'd have in a private property society.

  • Thelastseeder
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 8:33pm

    Open borders is what lead to the downfall of the Western Roman Empire. You can’t have a welfare state AND free immigration (I remember hearing a famous speaker say that but I cannot remember his name).

  • yoinker
    5 points Jun 14,2018, 5:08pm

    For my fellow open-borders chums:

    "... libertarians who see the welfare state as an argument for restricting immigration are straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel." lol caplan, always so good at owning the cons

    http://www.econlib.org/archives/2012/02/griswold_on_imm.html

    https://openborders.info/bryan-caplan/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy

  • lordhugh
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 7:57pm

    So was I.

  • TheFirstThingsNext
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 8:27pm

    Maybe I’m not a “full-fledged” libertarian. I think government is very useful when it’s role is reduced to national security and protection of personal property. While I don’t think protected borders is an absolute necessity for national security, I do see it as a means of reducing the variables that could cause problems.

    Keep them out of the free market, get rid of (or privatize) regulations, get rid of all laws that don’t deal directly with violence or damage to personal property and I’m pretty happy.

  • PaperbackWriter66
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 5:49pm

    Seriously though, I think we should strongly consider ditching the term "open borders" in favor of "decentralized immigration" or "unregulated immigration". Or, better yet, "Shall Issue Immigration", the idea being that Green Cards, like CCW Permits, shall be issued to all immigrants who apply and meet some basic, objective criteria (no criminal convictions, promise to pay taxes/not use welfare).

    "Open borders" makes too many people think of a horde of Huns sweeping over the hill and destroying your country, or a boat full of migrants just turning up and snatching welfare money and voting. But that's not what is truly meant by "open borders".

    What we mean is that people would be able to emigrate legally from one place to another with few, if any restrictions. "Legally" is a very important word, because it means there is still some government control of the process--immigrants are checked for a criminal record, for instance--but not the kind of government control we have currently, where the govt. excludes the vast majority of would-be immigrants from coming here legally and then makes it very difficult for the few who will be allowed in legally to come here at all.

    TLDR: I do not think the term "open borders" is helpful to persuading people of the merits of the policy.

  • afatpanda12
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 7:34pm

    Open borders DO NOT WORK

    We've tried it in Europe and all it has achieved is pissing off the working and lower-middle classes

    By pushing this contraversial issue you are alienating potential libertarian voters

    Poll after poll taken here in the UK has shown that the vast majority of people want a reduction in immigration, and a majority want a DRASTIC reduction, we will not gain any support by being the "party of open borders"

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  • temporary2689046
    8 points Jun 14,2018, 1:37pm

    If you want more than two parties to be viable, then advocate for an election system where competition doesn't necessarily lead to two parties.

  • TuarezOfTheTuareg
    3 points Jun 14,2018, 2:52pm

    Fantastic meme honestly, but what makes libertarians think they would have more success in a multi-party electoral system? The ideology is simply unpopular

  • Cycloptichorn
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 3:26pm

    Okay, I actually laughed at this one. This is the best meme I've seen here in months, kudos

  • Char-Lez
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 7:21pm

    Museum of horrors.

  • lordhugh
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 7:34pm

    I hate the two party system so much.

    We need to reform the electoral system to encourage political diversity rather than stifle it. In other words: single transferable vote, multi seat electorates, proportional representation and ban gerrymandering

  • MiceOverCats
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 8:24pm

    I'm glad i have a left wing party in my country.

  • scraggledog
    0 points Jun 14,2018, 1:26pm

    More like two sides Of the same coin

  • Canadeaan
    0 points Jun 14,2018, 8:06pm

    might vote Libertarian in the next Canadian federal election.

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  • temporary2689046
    8 points Jun 14,2018, 1:37pm

    If you want more than two parties to be viable, then advocate for an election system where competition doesn't necessarily lead to two parties.

  • TuarezOfTheTuareg
    3 points Jun 14,2018, 2:52pm

    Fantastic meme honestly, but what makes libertarians think they would have more success in a multi-party electoral system? The ideology is simply unpopular

  • Cycloptichorn
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 3:26pm

    Okay, I actually laughed at this one. This is the best meme I've seen here in months, kudos

  • haestrod
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 3:30pm
  • Char-Lez
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 7:21pm

    Museum of horrors.

  • lordhugh
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 7:34pm

    I hate the two party system so much.

    We need to reform the electoral system to encourage political diversity rather than stifle it. In other words: single transferable vote, multi seat electorates, proportional representation and ban gerrymandering

  • MiceOverCats
    1 points Jun 14,2018, 8:24pm

    I'm glad i have a left wing party in my country.

  • scraggledog
    0 points Jun 14,2018, 1:26pm

    More like two sides Of the same coin

  • Canadeaan
    0 points Jun 14,2018, 8:06pm

    might vote Libertarian in the next Canadian federal election.