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Redistribution of Wealth

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  • heelerfan
    3 points Jan 17,2018, 6:05pm

    LOGICAL THINKING

  • JackGetsIt
    4 points Jan 17,2018, 7:10pm

    This gives me an idea. How about a voluntary tax system? Your home or business can get some type of confirmation if you paid so that you can show community members/customers that you paid; and people that didn't pay can suffer social wrath/backlash and in years the government doesn't do it's job you can effectively 'vote' by not paying your taxes or only paying part of them.

  • bluefootedpig
    -4 points Jan 17,2018, 7:03pm

    I use X, but then you demand I pay for X. Why do you treat me like Chattel!

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  • heelerfan
    3 points Jan 17,2018, 6:05pm

    LOGICAL THINKING

  • JackGetsIt
    4 points Jan 17,2018, 7:10pm

    This gives me an idea. How about a voluntary tax system? Your home or business can get some type of confirmation if you paid so that you can show community members/customers that you paid; and people that didn't pay can suffer social wrath/backlash and in years the government doesn't do it's job you can effectively 'vote' by not paying your taxes or only paying part of them.

  • bluefootedpig
    -4 points Jan 17,2018, 7:03pm

    I use X, but then you demand I pay for X. Why do you treat me like Chattel!

  • HTownian25
    -4 points Jan 17,2018, 7:24pm

    #AccidentalSocialism

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History suggests only that capitalism is a necessary condition for political freedom. Clearly it is not a sufficient condition.

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  • dyin2meetcha
    -1 points Jan 16,2018, 7:58pm

    Capitalism has worked well during the times and to the extent it has been regulated. Unfettered capitalism is sliding towards fascism and economic disparity.

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  • dyin2meetcha
    -1 points Jan 16,2018, 7:58pm

    Capitalism has worked well during the times and to the extent it has been regulated. Unfettered capitalism is sliding towards fascism and economic disparity.

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Teach your kids about tax...

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  • PaperbackWriter66
    4 points Jan 16,2018, 12:02pm

    My dad actually did this.

  • originalbL1X
    7 points Jan 16,2018, 11:46am

    Or, from the perspective of about 45% of the country, give them some of somebody else's ice cream.

  • KruglorTalks
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 3:29pm

    Teach them that refunds exist and throw up about 8% of that ice cream back on the cone. Or something idk im a bad dad.

  • Children_can_consent
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 4:07pm

    We should be teaching everyones children about taxes, not just our own.

COMMENTS

  • PaperbackWriter66
    4 points Jan 16,2018, 12:02pm

    My dad actually did this.

  • originalbL1X
    7 points Jan 16,2018, 11:46am

    Or, from the perspective of about 45% of the country, give them some of somebody else's ice cream.

  • KruglorTalks
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 3:29pm

    Teach them that refunds exist and throw up about 8% of that ice cream back on the cone. Or something idk im a bad dad.

  • os_kaiserwilhelm
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 4:01pm

    So are we assuming the child purchased the ice cream with their own money? Otherwise the parent is just taking 30% of a gift they themselves gave the child.

    Maybe they're just paying a tax to their parents because they're parents give them a structured life inside of they're home much in the same way the laws of a civil society provide privileges greater than the liberties surrendered from being in a lawless state of nature.

  • Children_can_consent
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 4:07pm

    We should be teaching everyones children about taxes, not just our own.

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As American incomes have risen over the years, liberals have kept changing the definition of "poverty." Otherwise, the dwindling numbers of people who could be called "poor" would take away the liberals' main claim to influence and power.

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  • MuuaadDib
    18 points Jan 16,2018, 9:32am

    Couldn't we also talk about inflation, and how that envelopes people into the poverty fold?

  • linkns_86
    80 points Jan 16,2018, 7:57am

    This is actually key. Most studies you see discussing growing poverty are discussing relative poverty- how much people make in relation to other people. Absolute poverty- how far people are removed from hunger and destitution- is something else entirely.

  • FreeTurtleMarket
    87 points Jan 16,2018, 8:04am

    No year given, not a single statistic to back the claim. Not even sure if he really said this. Good work guys.

  • teh_booth_gawd
    9 points Jan 16,2018, 9:28am

    It’s almost like inflation is a thing that actually exists.

  • JorbKranklin
    13 points Jan 16,2018, 9:21am

    1 in 6 people face hunger in the US. 1 in 5 children face hunger, and among African Americans and Latinos, it's 1 in 3. Poverty is absolutely still an issue.

    https://www.dosomething.org/facts/11-facts-about-hunger-us

  • HangisLife
    3 points Jan 16,2018, 11:06am

    He forgot to add the rising costs of personal debts accrued from education and medical interventions. We have millions of people walking around in debt shackles and acting like everything is copacetic.

  • ChrisNYC70
    9 points Jan 16,2018, 10:28am

    I disagree. I work in Bushwick Brooklyn for a Community Based Organization. I see poverty. Poor is poor no matter how "liberals" define it. I work with families who do not have more than $25 in savings to mitigate possible future emergencies.
    Having a cell phone does not make one "wealthy" or less poor. Society has evolved so that now cell phones are necessary, your kids schools expect you to have one, employers expect you to have one. Cell phones are especially important if you are homeless. They cannot find work or housing if they don't have a phone.
    My organization has no desire to see people kept in poverty. We could all go somewhere else and make more money. We are here because we believe helping people is what makes america great.

    Nothing makes me happier than when I see a kid who is in our education program excel in school, graduate and go to college. Nothing makes me happier than when I see someone stop using the ER for their chronic disease because they have found a physician. They stop missing work and their kids stop missing school. Nothing makes me happier than seeing a homeless family find housing that is affordable and with a real roof over their heads and a stable foundation under them, they can spend more time planning on how to thrive rather than survive.

    Real poverty exists, I see it every day.

  • Froghat_Vendor
    3 points Jan 16,2018, 9:38am

    It's called Inflation, maybe you've heard of it.

  • andysay
    2 points Jan 16,2018, 1:34pm

    spambot you get a ⬇️

  • gotsmilk
    2 points Jan 16,2018, 4:18pm

    Oh my god this man is so incredibly stupid.

    Technological progress has lowered the price on luxury goods to make them affordable to poor people, yes, but that doesn't make those people not poor. The important things are the necessities. Food, shelter, healthcare. And the cost of those in relation to wages has stayed the same if not increased since the 50s.

    You people live in such a cloistered delusioned fantasy you've convinced yourself that there isn't a large swath of people who still live only barely being able to fully cover the cost of those necessities if at all, leaving them too little to even put towards upward mobility. The fact that, like any of you wanting some reprieve and entertainment away from the stress of their lives, they spend the little remaining of their money on what are now fairly cheap luxuries (even if once upon a time those luxuries weren't cheap) doesn't make them not poor.

    That's like saying that Charlie from Willy Wonka wasn't poor cause he could scrape up enough to buy a piece of chocolate (which once upon a time was a luxury only the wealthy could afford).

  • StatistDestroyer
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 10:16am

    ITT: statists trying to rationalize relative poverty as the important metric because they don't want to give up on the idea that government theft for a welfare state is justified.

    Up Next: statists brushing aside the same metric of relative poverty when libertarians bring up that decades and trillions of dollars of spending on the welfare state hasn't improved this metric.

  • kevlarballoons
    2 points Jan 16,2018, 10:27am

    People post Thomas Sowell every day. We get it. Also it's called inflation

  • chipkellysbigballs
    2 points Jan 16,2018, 9:28am

    Sowell is absolutely right -- like he most often is.

    Not only do the poor and most of the middle class receive more in Government benefits than they pay in taxes, but the standard of living universally has increased, and you can't dispute that. In the United States the poor are often more obese compared to other income brackets (for women and children), obesity is consistent among men in all income brackets, and they have all of the amenities of the modern world. That is not something I would classify as "poor" in a real objective sense of the word (i.e. abject poverty).

    A starving child in Africa is poor. A family in Haiti whose annual income is $700 dollars is poor. An obese family of 4 with a car, Air Conditioning, Government housing, government provided healthcare, food stamps, electricity, flat screen TVs, computers, and gaming consoles is not what I would consider "poor".

  • IPredictAReddit
    2 points Jan 16,2018, 9:36am

    Mr. Sowell is, again, wrong.

    The official poverty measure was created in the 60's using food consumption data. It was calculated to be "3x the subsistence food budget for a family of 4" and then was scaled for families of different size (that's why the poverty measure is published for different sized families).

    That's what we've been using, adjusted for inflation using the CPI, since 1961. Mr. Sowell is either dumb or lying when he says the official measure of "poverty" has been changing over the years.

    I know this is a bot posting this Conservative bullshit, so this will fall on deaf ears, but this kind of ignorance to the facts gives this subreddit a really bad image. If you want to argue your libertarian perspective, you have to do so armed with facts, not sweet nothings made up by pandering Conservative pundits designed to placate you into voting in their favor.

  • MasterTeacher123
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 11:52am

    Poor used to mean Im literally starving and can’t feed my children. Now it’s I can’t afford to send my 3 kids to an elite university

  • bertcox
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 1:06pm

    DOWN VOTE DAILY crap.

  • chemaholic77
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 2:19pm

    People have never and never will be able to equally influence politicians. Take away the money aspect completely. Who will have more influence on a politician, a stranger or one of their friends? Their spouse or a constituent?

    Wealth inequality will always exist. There is no realistic way to stop it. Until we can convert energy to matter like the replicators in Star Trek there will always be those who manage to accumulate more wealth than others. If you hit the reset button on the world economy and distributed all wealth on the planet equally, within a year you would have people who have far more wealth than the average person. Wealth is not the cause of unequal access to politicians, corruption is.

    If no politician was corrupt and accepted nothing from anyone then wealth would have no influence over them. I think it is much easier to start dropping the hammer on corruption than it is to somehow magically redistribute wealth constantly.

    A third party group fully insulated from the politicians charged with nailing them to the wall for even the tiniest ethics violation (minimum sentence 5 years Federal prison for any violation) would cut down significantly on corruption. Complete asset forfeiture of you, your immediate family and all trusts, companies, etc that belong to you or are controlled by you or directly benefit you might reduce instances of bribery as well. I would be in favor of making bribery a capital crime if it can be shown beyond a reasonable doubt that you took or paid a bribe.

    Term limits would also help with this.

  • FatWireInTheNun
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 3:15pm

    What is considered "poor" in the US, is middle upper class in South America and rich in Africa

  • No_Fake_News
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 3:19pm

    The worst poverty as Mr Sowell knows, is of the heart and mind. Of poor ideas and attitudes towards life. Envy, bitterness, immorality and endless feelings of victimhood is the worst kind of poverty in America.

    BUT that being said, many of us are poorer than we were say post WWII. We get less services for our dollar, and cannot support a family on a single average income. Despite many advantages of technology which are quite nice

  • beyond_hate
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 3:50pm

    I am downvoting everyone of these "Daily so and so" posts regardless of their content. Please join me.

  • Yare_Owns
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 3:59pm

    Are wealth and poverty not intrinsically relative?

  • hc84
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 4:14pm

    He is actually right, and I try to explain this to people. The poverty line is continually updated, and I don't mean because of inflation, but the standards for what is poor change. One time, my family was below the poverty line, but we weren't really poor. Just kinda struggling. We had everything we needed.

  • JGar453
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 6:05pm

    I have to agree with these liberals here, rising incomes doesn’t poverty will lower. It’s this thing called inflation. If the dollar becomes worth far less but one is earning more dollars they could technically be just as poor if not poorer than they were. However I don’t believe the economy has inflated that much so we’re probably fine. How many dollars people are making is not necessarily what matters. are they employed, are they getting food, do they have a home? Basically how far removed from being destitute is someone. Relative poverty is stupid, if my neighbor becomes as rich as bill gates , I will not be poor.

  • SS324
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 6:08pm

    Ah yes, the poor people have refrigerators argument.

  • AngerIssuez
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 6:44pm

    Uh, inflation.

    That's a thing.

  • chemaholic77
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 6:54pm

    I certainly would agree that employees are the ones who should decide how to spend their money, however I live in reality.

    In reality, the cost of benefits has gone up substantially which means overall compensation has likewise increased accordingly beyond what wages alone show. Total compensation is the number you need to be looking at, not wages alone. Compared to the 60’s, benefits make up a larger chunk of overall compensation today further magnifying this affect. Choosing to look only at wages is cherry picking the data.

    It would be nice if companies would slide the money they would have paid towards your healthcare if you choose not to participate in their plan but they don’t.

    I need to pull up an inflation chart to see what average inflation is but it is less than the average annual pay increase your article mentioned which means you are gaining against inflation not losing. At least recently.

  • chemaholic77
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 6:54pm

    I certainly would agree that employees are the ones who should decide how to spend their money, however I live in reality.

    In reality, the cost of benefits has gone up substantially which means overall compensation has likewise increased accordingly beyond what wages alone show. Total compensation is the number you need to be looking at, not wages alone. Compared to the 60’s, benefits make up a larger chunk of overall compensation today further magnifying this affect. Choosing to look only at wages is cherry picking the data.

    It would be nice if companies would slide the money they would have paid towards your healthcare if you choose not to participate in their plan but they don’t.

    I need to pull up an inflation chart to see what average inflation is but it is less than the average annual pay increase your article mentioned which means you are gaining against inflation not losing. At least recently.

  • LuxDePollus
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 12:33pm

    Our "poor" in America get cards with money on them to go grocery shopping, the government will literally pay every dollar of your housing/water/lights bill, they now get free fucking healthcare so they don't even get shamed in ER's anymore, they got free cell phones from Obama, you get free community college to improve your situation in life, and if you have kids they will gib gib gib!

    If you are SO poor that you can't fill out the government forms and are on the street, we have soup kitchens and housing overnight for drug addicts and crazy people fucking all over the cities in the US.

    Being poor in other countries is starving to death and getting your carcass eaten by wild dogs.

  • HeNeverLies4
    0 points Jan 16,2018, 9:29am

    This is epically stupid.

  • deleted
    -12 points Jan 16,2018, 8:22am

    [deleted]

  • caribou16
    -4 points Jan 16,2018, 9:05am

    Poverty has to be relative. For example, it used to be not having indoor plumbing that was the cutoff....and later owning a refrigerator. But those "luxury" items are easily obtainable today.

  • sotomayormccheese
    0 points Jan 16,2018, 9:28am

    So do libertarians who screech about inflation.

  • Anlarb
    -8 points Jan 16,2018, 8:46am

    A bunch of sheltered ass basement dwellers don't understand that its entirely possible to accumulate some things, and then wind up in poverty afterwards.

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  • MuuaadDib
    18 points Jan 16,2018, 9:32am

    Couldn't we also talk about inflation, and how that envelopes people into the poverty fold?

  • linkns_86
    80 points Jan 16,2018, 7:57am

    This is actually key. Most studies you see discussing growing poverty are discussing relative poverty- how much people make in relation to other people. Absolute poverty- how far people are removed from hunger and destitution- is something else entirely.

  • FreeTurtleMarket
    87 points Jan 16,2018, 8:04am

    No year given, not a single statistic to back the claim. Not even sure if he really said this. Good work guys.

  • ePaperWeight
    32 points Jan 16,2018, 8:20am

    Super Nintendo, Sega GenesisWhen I was dead broke, man, I couldn't picture this50-inch screen, money-green leather sofaGot two rides, a limousine with a chauffeurPhone bill about two G's flatNo need to worry, my accountant handles that

    25 years ago, a cell phone a big TV and some game systems would qualify you to be a top tier rapper at the height of the game. Now you can have that and still be at the poverty level.

  • teh_booth_gawd
    9 points Jan 16,2018, 9:28am

    It’s almost like inflation is a thing that actually exists.

  • JorbKranklin
    13 points Jan 16,2018, 9:21am

    1 in 6 people face hunger in the US. 1 in 5 children face hunger, and among African Americans and Latinos, it's 1 in 3. Poverty is absolutely still an issue.

    https://www.dosomething.org/facts/11-facts-about-hunger-us

  • HangisLife
    3 points Jan 16,2018, 11:06am

    He forgot to add the rising costs of personal debts accrued from education and medical interventions. We have millions of people walking around in debt shackles and acting like everything is copacetic.

  • ChrisNYC70
    9 points Jan 16,2018, 10:28am

    I disagree. I work in Bushwick Brooklyn for a Community Based Organization. I see poverty. Poor is poor no matter how "liberals" define it. I work with families who do not have more than $25 in savings to mitigate possible future emergencies.
    Having a cell phone does not make one "wealthy" or less poor. Society has evolved so that now cell phones are necessary, your kids schools expect you to have one, employers expect you to have one. Cell phones are especially important if you are homeless. They cannot find work or housing if they don't have a phone.
    My organization has no desire to see people kept in poverty. We could all go somewhere else and make more money. We are here because we believe helping people is what makes america great.

    Nothing makes me happier than when I see a kid who is in our education program excel in school, graduate and go to college. Nothing makes me happier than when I see someone stop using the ER for their chronic disease because they have found a physician. They stop missing work and their kids stop missing school. Nothing makes me happier than seeing a homeless family find housing that is affordable and with a real roof over their heads and a stable foundation under them, they can spend more time planning on how to thrive rather than survive.

    Real poverty exists, I see it every day.

  • Froghat_Vendor
    3 points Jan 16,2018, 9:38am

    It's called Inflation, maybe you've heard of it.

  • andysay
    2 points Jan 16,2018, 1:34pm

    spambot you get a ⬇️

  • gotsmilk
    2 points Jan 16,2018, 4:18pm

    Oh my god this man is so incredibly stupid.

    Technological progress has lowered the price on luxury goods to make them affordable to poor people, yes, but that doesn't make those people not poor. The important things are the necessities. Food, shelter, healthcare. And the cost of those in relation to wages has stayed the same if not increased since the 50s.

    You people live in such a cloistered delusioned fantasy you've convinced yourself that there isn't a large swath of people who still live only barely being able to fully cover the cost of those necessities if at all, leaving them too little to even put towards upward mobility. The fact that, like any of you wanting some reprieve and entertainment away from the stress of their lives, they spend the little remaining of their money on what are now fairly cheap luxuries (even if once upon a time those luxuries weren't cheap) doesn't make them not poor.

    That's like saying that Charlie from Willy Wonka wasn't poor cause he could scrape up enough to buy a piece of chocolate (which once upon a time was a luxury only the wealthy could afford).

  • StatistDestroyer
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 10:16am

    ITT: statists trying to rationalize relative poverty as the important metric because they don't want to give up on the idea that government theft for a welfare state is justified.

    Up Next: statists brushing aside the same metric of relative poverty when libertarians bring up that decades and trillions of dollars of spending on the welfare state hasn't improved this metric.

  • kevlarballoons
    2 points Jan 16,2018, 10:27am

    People post Thomas Sowell every day. We get it. Also it's called inflation

  • chipkellysbigballs
    2 points Jan 16,2018, 9:28am

    Sowell is absolutely right -- like he most often is.

    Not only do the poor and most of the middle class receive more in Government benefits than they pay in taxes, but the standard of living universally has increased, and you can't dispute that. In the United States the poor are often more obese compared to other income brackets (for women and children), obesity is consistent among men in all income brackets, and they have all of the amenities of the modern world. That is not something I would classify as "poor" in a real objective sense of the word (i.e. abject poverty).

    A starving child in Africa is poor. A family in Haiti whose annual income is $700 dollars is poor. An obese family of 4 with a car, Air Conditioning, Government housing, government provided healthcare, food stamps, electricity, flat screen TVs, computers, and gaming consoles is not what I would consider "poor".

  • IPredictAReddit
    2 points Jan 16,2018, 9:36am

    Mr. Sowell is, again, wrong.

    The official poverty measure was created in the 60's using food consumption data. It was calculated to be "3x the subsistence food budget for a family of 4" and then was scaled for families of different size (that's why the poverty measure is published for different sized families).

    That's what we've been using, adjusted for inflation using the CPI, since 1961. Mr. Sowell is either dumb or lying when he says the official measure of "poverty" has been changing over the years.

    I know this is a bot posting this Conservative bullshit, so this will fall on deaf ears, but this kind of ignorance to the facts gives this subreddit a really bad image. If you want to argue your libertarian perspective, you have to do so armed with facts, not sweet nothings made up by pandering Conservative pundits designed to placate you into voting in their favor.

  • MasterTeacher123
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 11:52am

    Poor used to mean Im literally starving and can’t feed my children. Now it’s I can’t afford to send my 3 kids to an elite university

  • bertcox
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 1:06pm

    DOWN VOTE DAILY crap.

  • chemaholic77
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 2:19pm

    People have never and never will be able to equally influence politicians. Take away the money aspect completely. Who will have more influence on a politician, a stranger or one of their friends? Their spouse or a constituent?

    Wealth inequality will always exist. There is no realistic way to stop it. Until we can convert energy to matter like the replicators in Star Trek there will always be those who manage to accumulate more wealth than others. If you hit the reset button on the world economy and distributed all wealth on the planet equally, within a year you would have people who have far more wealth than the average person. Wealth is not the cause of unequal access to politicians, corruption is.

    If no politician was corrupt and accepted nothing from anyone then wealth would have no influence over them. I think it is much easier to start dropping the hammer on corruption than it is to somehow magically redistribute wealth constantly.

    A third party group fully insulated from the politicians charged with nailing them to the wall for even the tiniest ethics violation (minimum sentence 5 years Federal prison for any violation) would cut down significantly on corruption. Complete asset forfeiture of you, your immediate family and all trusts, companies, etc that belong to you or are controlled by you or directly benefit you might reduce instances of bribery as well. I would be in favor of making bribery a capital crime if it can be shown beyond a reasonable doubt that you took or paid a bribe.

    Term limits would also help with this.

  • FatWireInTheNun
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 3:15pm

    What is considered "poor" in the US, is middle upper class in South America and rich in Africa

  • No_Fake_News
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 3:19pm

    The worst poverty as Mr Sowell knows, is of the heart and mind. Of poor ideas and attitudes towards life. Envy, bitterness, immorality and endless feelings of victimhood is the worst kind of poverty in America.

    BUT that being said, many of us are poorer than we were say post WWII. We get less services for our dollar, and cannot support a family on a single average income. Despite many advantages of technology which are quite nice

  • beyond_hate
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 3:50pm

    I am downvoting everyone of these "Daily so and so" posts regardless of their content. Please join me.

  • Yare_Owns
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 3:59pm

    Are wealth and poverty not intrinsically relative?

  • hc84
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 4:14pm

    He is actually right, and I try to explain this to people. The poverty line is continually updated, and I don't mean because of inflation, but the standards for what is poor change. One time, my family was below the poverty line, but we weren't really poor. Just kinda struggling. We had everything we needed.

  • JGar453
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 6:05pm

    I have to agree with these liberals here, rising incomes doesn’t poverty will lower. It’s this thing called inflation. If the dollar becomes worth far less but one is earning more dollars they could technically be just as poor if not poorer than they were. However I don’t believe the economy has inflated that much so we’re probably fine. How many dollars people are making is not necessarily what matters. are they employed, are they getting food, do they have a home? Basically how far removed from being destitute is someone. Relative poverty is stupid, if my neighbor becomes as rich as bill gates , I will not be poor.

  • SS324
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 6:08pm

    Ah yes, the poor people have refrigerators argument.

  • AngerIssuez
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 6:44pm

    Uh, inflation.

    That's a thing.

  • chemaholic77
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 6:54pm

    I certainly would agree that employees are the ones who should decide how to spend their money, however I live in reality.

    In reality, the cost of benefits has gone up substantially which means overall compensation has likewise increased accordingly beyond what wages alone show. Total compensation is the number you need to be looking at, not wages alone. Compared to the 60’s, benefits make up a larger chunk of overall compensation today further magnifying this affect. Choosing to look only at wages is cherry picking the data.

    It would be nice if companies would slide the money they would have paid towards your healthcare if you choose not to participate in their plan but they don’t.

    I need to pull up an inflation chart to see what average inflation is but it is less than the average annual pay increase your article mentioned which means you are gaining against inflation not losing. At least recently.

  • chemaholic77
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 6:54pm

    I certainly would agree that employees are the ones who should decide how to spend their money, however I live in reality.

    In reality, the cost of benefits has gone up substantially which means overall compensation has likewise increased accordingly beyond what wages alone show. Total compensation is the number you need to be looking at, not wages alone. Compared to the 60’s, benefits make up a larger chunk of overall compensation today further magnifying this affect. Choosing to look only at wages is cherry picking the data.

    It would be nice if companies would slide the money they would have paid towards your healthcare if you choose not to participate in their plan but they don’t.

    I need to pull up an inflation chart to see what average inflation is but it is less than the average annual pay increase your article mentioned which means you are gaining against inflation not losing. At least recently.

  • LuxDePollus
    1 points Jan 16,2018, 12:33pm

    Our "poor" in America get cards with money on them to go grocery shopping, the government will literally pay every dollar of your housing/water/lights bill, they now get free fucking healthcare so they don't even get shamed in ER's anymore, they got free cell phones from Obama, you get free community college to improve your situation in life, and if you have kids they will gib gib gib!

    If you are SO poor that you can't fill out the government forms and are on the street, we have soup kitchens and housing overnight for drug addicts and crazy people fucking all over the cities in the US.

    Being poor in other countries is starving to death and getting your carcass eaten by wild dogs.

  • HeNeverLies4
    0 points Jan 16,2018, 9:29am

    This is epically stupid.

  • deleted
    -12 points Jan 16,2018, 8:22am

    [deleted]

  • caribou16
    -4 points Jan 16,2018, 9:05am

    Poverty has to be relative. For example, it used to be not having indoor plumbing that was the cutoff....and later owning a refrigerator. But those "luxury" items are easily obtainable today.

  • sotomayormccheese
    0 points Jan 16,2018, 9:28am

    So do libertarians who screech about inflation.

  • Anlarb
    -8 points Jan 16,2018, 8:46am

    A bunch of sheltered ass basement dwellers don't understand that its entirely possible to accumulate some things, and then wind up in poverty afterwards.

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When the goal of political action is no longer the defense of liberty, no word other than demagoguery can describe the despicable nature of politics.

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  • 10art1
    1 points Jan 14,2018, 1:34pm

    It's only demagoguery if they claim to defend liberty but don't. If they don't defend liberty but never claimed that it was their priority then it's just consistency

  • andysay
    1 points Jan 14,2018, 6:19pm

    spambot ⬇️

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  • 10art1
    1 points Jan 14,2018, 1:34pm

    It's only demagoguery if they claim to defend liberty but don't. If they don't defend liberty but never claimed that it was their priority then it's just consistency

  • andysay
    1 points Jan 14,2018, 6:19pm

    spambot ⬇️

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Political freedom means the absence of coercion of a man by his fellow men.

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  • andysay
    1 points Jan 14,2018, 8:03pm

    spambot ⬇️

  • nigger_admins1488
    -3 points Jan 14,2018, 7:44pm

    Milton Friedman is a nigger

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  • andysay
    1 points Jan 14,2018, 8:03pm

    spambot ⬇️

  • nigger_admins1488
    -3 points Jan 14,2018, 7:44pm

    Milton Friedman is a nigger

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Today, as a result of our careless thinking, our desire for government assistance, and the emphasis on unearned economic benefits over free markets and self-reliance, we have a society made up of various special interest groups demanding their 'rights.'

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  • andysay
    6 points Jan 12,2018, 11:54pm

    spambot ⬇️

  • agenzer
    4 points Jan 13,2018, 12:39pm

    Capitalism is setup so people with capital are rewarded. Paying someone to invest your money is not work. I don't see how that money is earned.

  • ThatLurchy
    2 points Jan 13,2018, 2:38pm

    And yet Ron Paul ran as a Republican and voted with Republicans for their special interest ‘assistance’ all those years.

    I also disagree it was careless thinking.

    It was completely planned and careful investment by the special interests that created those benefits that have distorted/prevented the free market. See Comcast and freedom of the Internet.

  • BuddhaFacepalmed
    -2 points Jan 12,2018, 11:15pm

    Yup, we call them tele-evangelists, Neo-Nazis, and Republicans.

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  • andysay
    6 points Jan 12,2018, 11:54pm

    spambot ⬇️

  • agenzer
    4 points Jan 13,2018, 12:39pm

    Capitalism is setup so people with capital are rewarded. Paying someone to invest your money is not work. I don't see how that money is earned.

  • ThatLurchy
    2 points Jan 13,2018, 2:38pm

    And yet Ron Paul ran as a Republican and voted with Republicans for their special interest ‘assistance’ all those years.

    I also disagree it was careless thinking.

    It was completely planned and careful investment by the special interests that created those benefits that have distorted/prevented the free market. See Comcast and freedom of the Internet.

  • Nopethemagicdragon
    1 points Jan 13,2018, 1:36am

    I guarantee levels of assistance in the us are not a better quality of life than having a good job

  • BuddhaFacepalmed
    -2 points Jan 12,2018, 11:15pm

    Yup, we call them tele-evangelists, Neo-Nazis, and Republicans.

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How do you tell morality from sanctimoniousness? For one thing, morality is hard and sanctimoniousness is easy... Morality means being hard on yourself. Sanctimoniousness means being easy on yourself and hard on others.

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COMMENTS

  • Mr_Gibbys
    1 points Jan 13,2018, 8:05pm

    Die bot, DIE!

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  • Mr_Gibbys
    1 points Jan 13,2018, 8:05pm

    Die bot, DIE!

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Only armed citizens can ultimately resist tyrannical government.

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  • lobsterharmonica1667
    7 points Jan 13,2018, 6:14pm

    I would say that educated citizens would be a lot more effective.

  • Commie_killing_duck
    2 points Jan 13,2018, 6:04pm

    Soooo NFA repeal when?

  • Mr_Gibbys
    1 points Jan 13,2018, 7:56pm

    Question: how can I legally mount a dshk on my truck? I want the most authentic Somalian experience.

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  • lobsterharmonica1667
    7 points Jan 13,2018, 6:14pm

    I would say that educated citizens would be a lot more effective.

  • Commie_killing_duck
    2 points Jan 13,2018, 6:04pm

    Soooo NFA repeal when?

  • Mr_Gibbys
    1 points Jan 13,2018, 7:56pm

    Question: how can I legally mount a dshk on my truck? I want the most authentic Somalian experience.

  • Sympathy_for_the_FO
    1 points Jan 13,2018, 6:06pm

    Inb4 the anti-gun armchair generals remind us that the federal government has tanks, jets, drones, missiles, etc.

    And also inb4 informed people explain what a well-armed insurgent force can do to a national military, cough Vietcong, Taliban cough.

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So where do you fit in on this compass?

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COMMENTS

  • helloiisjake147
    11 points Jan 13,2018, 2:47pm

    Hahah, get off my lawn

  • wugglesthemule
    2 points Jan 13,2018, 6:42pm

    "This will never happen." A realization I face every day.

  • jake_fordyce
    2 points Jan 13,2018, 4:51pm

    Deep web TP all day

  • TheDoctorWumbology
    1 points Jan 13,2018, 8:10pm

    I like free stuff.

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  • helloiisjake147
    11 points Jan 13,2018, 2:47pm

    Hahah, get off my lawn

  • wugglesthemule
    2 points Jan 13,2018, 6:42pm

    "This will never happen." A realization I face every day.

  • jake_fordyce
    2 points Jan 13,2018, 4:51pm

    Deep web TP all day

  • hasapoint
    2 points Jan 13,2018, 1:59pm

    That graph is utter trash. Every single square is troll bait, and not in a funny way.

  • TheDoctorWumbology
    1 points Jan 13,2018, 8:10pm

    I like free stuff.