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  • YESmovement
    35 points Jun 14,2018, 9:56pm

    90s satire=2010s reality

    Saw this as a reply to this tweet: https://archive.is/WH5Qa

    Mother: can you please fix my computer

    Me: leans back in chair well... well ... well ... if it isn’t Miss ‘Get Off That Computer’ Years 1994 to 2006

  • the_nybbler
    26 points Jun 14,2018, 10:58pm

    The only part that turned out to be fantasy is paper classifieds still being around.

  • Kyriolexical-Dino
    12 points Jun 14,2018, 11:11pm

    Totally unrelated question but I gotta ask, why do newspaper comic strips and political cartoons always have shit art?

    Genuine question.

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  • YESmovement
    35 points Jun 14,2018, 9:56pm

    90s satire=2010s reality

    Saw this as a reply to this tweet: https://archive.is/WH5Qa

    Mother: can you please fix my computer

    Me: leans back in chair well... well ... well ... if it isn’t Miss ‘Get Off That Computer’ Years 1994 to 2006

  • the_nybbler
    26 points Jun 14,2018, 10:58pm

    The only part that turned out to be fantasy is paper classifieds still being around.

  • Kyriolexical-Dino
    12 points Jun 14,2018, 11:11pm

    Totally unrelated question but I gotta ask, why do newspaper comic strips and political cartoons always have shit art?

    Genuine question.

  • Zero-Helix
    11 points Jun 15,2018, 1:40am

    It predicted SJWs too:https://imgur.com/a/57sgGvV

  • mnemosyne-0001
    2 points Jun 14,2018, 9:55pm

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  • Brimshae
    1 points Jun 04,2018, 6:37am

    Looks like you're set. /u/Raraara just didn't let you know.

    Also, IIRC, this is our first phone get, too.

  • Cosmic_Mind89
    14 points Jun 03,2018, 11:53pm

    The rebellion grows, my friends.

  • ErikaThePaladin
    20 points Jun 03,2018, 10:58pm

    How do I hold all these sock puppets?

  • JensenAskedForIt
    6 points Jun 04,2018, 2:23am

    Congratulations.

  • blobbybag
    3 points Jun 04,2018, 2:47pm

    How's GamerGhazi doing?

  • thatmarksguy
    2 points Jun 04,2018, 2:02pm

    That was fast?

  • mnemosyne-0001
    1 points Jun 03,2018, 10:58pm

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  • Brimshae
    1 points Jun 04,2018, 6:37am

    Looks like you're set. /u/Raraara just didn't let you know.

    Also, IIRC, this is our first phone get, too.

  • Cosmic_Mind89
    14 points Jun 03,2018, 11:53pm

    The rebellion grows, my friends.

  • ErikaThePaladin
    20 points Jun 03,2018, 10:58pm

    How do I hold all these sock puppets?

  • CZcowboy
    7 points Jun 04,2018, 12:23am

    It's like I'm looking into a screenshot on my phone

  • JensenAskedForIt
    6 points Jun 04,2018, 2:23am

    Congratulations.

  • blobbybag
    3 points Jun 04,2018, 2:47pm

    How's GamerGhazi doing?

  • thatmarksguy
    2 points Jun 04,2018, 2:02pm

    That was fast?

  • mnemosyne-0001
    1 points Jun 03,2018, 10:58pm

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[Stupid] Poorly-timed marketing for Battlefield V on Memorial Day weekend - "forget what you learned in history class"...

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  • FarRightTopKeks
    42 points May 28,2018, 7:13pm

    Wow, they really keep stepping in it.

  • Uzrathixius
    34 points May 28,2018, 7:17pm

    "Poorly timed".

    Seems like what they wanted to me. They're on the right side of history, don't you know? When else would you send out more propaganda? During the holiday meant to remember those who served.

  • Raptorzesty
    1 points May 28,2018, 8:09pm

    I swear, we are being gaslighted.

  • AndThenThese
    1 points May 28,2018, 8:14pm

    I was on the fence for the whole inaccuracies as there is leeway in fantasy. But this solidifies their pandering by butting heads with history and fact. This really just insults the intellect.

  • sciencemile
    3 points May 28,2018, 7:27pm

    They're tryyyyin!

  • mnemosyne-0001
    2 points May 28,2018, 7:11pm

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  • mnemosyne-0002
    2 points May 28,2018, 7:13pm

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  • KazarakOfKar
    1 points May 28,2018, 8:52pm

    Cultural Marxism in action

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  • FarRightTopKeks
    42 points May 28,2018, 7:13pm

    Wow, they really keep stepping in it.

  • Uzrathixius
    34 points May 28,2018, 7:17pm

    "Poorly timed".

    Seems like what they wanted to me. They're on the right side of history, don't you know? When else would you send out more propaganda? During the holiday meant to remember those who served.

  • Raptorzesty
    1 points May 28,2018, 8:09pm

    I swear, we are being gaslighted.

  • B-VOLLEYBALL-READY
    8 points May 28,2018, 7:13pm

    Found via this Attack of the Fanboy article:

    https://attackofthefanboy.com/news/battlefield-v-historical-accuracy-debate-rages-on/

    Does anyone have an archive of this tho?

  • AndThenThese
    1 points May 28,2018, 8:14pm

    I was on the fence for the whole inaccuracies as there is leeway in fantasy. But this solidifies their pandering by butting heads with history and fact. This really just insults the intellect.

  • sciencemile
    3 points May 28,2018, 7:27pm

    They're tryyyyin!

  • mnemosyne-0001
    2 points May 28,2018, 7:11pm

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  • mnemosyne-0002
    2 points May 28,2018, 7:13pm

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  • KazarakOfKar
    1 points May 28,2018, 8:52pm

    Cultural Marxism in action

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[Twitter Bullshit] An American animator in Japan weighs in on Thundercats Roar.

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  • KarmaWalker
    147 points May 22,2018, 3:46am

    "Hey fellow kids! Do you like Teen Titans Go!?"

    "No. That shit is gay."

    "Then you're gonna LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE our new show, Thundercats Roar! It's a comedy, based on someone else's IP that didn't have any real focus on comedy in it!"

    "...why?"

  • ErikaThePaladin
    247 points May 22,2018, 12:42am

    I think a more apt comparison would be a Japanese comedy, like Pop Team Epic or Osomatsu-san. Even those have a lot more care and attention put into it than what's been shown so far of ThunderCats Roar.

    In fact, Osomatsu-san is probably the PERFECT comparison for this. It's a modern reboot of an older series (Osomatsu-kun, a manga and anime from the 60s, which also had a newer series in the 80s).

    Granted, the original series wasn't a serious action show (it was still a comedy), but the recent series has a different tone to it than its predecessors (the boys are now adults, so the humor is now more adult-centric). Even so, it remained respectful to the origins of the show, and its creator (Fujio Akatsuka).

    The animation for Osomatsu-san is pretty good, and can vary from one episode to the next (especially for the few "modern" F6 episodes), but the characters are still well-defined and don't stray off-model too much.

    So, the excuse that "lol it's a comedy" isn't acceptable for it to be so crappy looking. Nor is the excuse "lol it's for kids" (are they trying to say that kids don't deserve better animation than this cheap schlock?).

  • md1957
    255 points May 21,2018, 11:42pm

    For context, this is from a troll/shitposting account of an American animator based in Japan. And to comply with the rules, it's a screenshot.

    That being said, there's good reason to consider that this particular Tweet is rather earnest:

    Even though I am an animator that works in Japan I really try not to make comparisons like this...but... Television animation in Japan 2018 vs Television animation in America 2018. Jesus tap dancing Christ.

    To add even more perspective, one show is done entirely in-house by an animation studio in Kyoto with a budget and resources that would seem short change by the standards of US studios like, say, Cartoon Network. The other is Thundercats Roar.

    EDIT: Adding

  • henlp
    23 points May 22,2018, 3:34am

    I'd rather watch Black Clover's anime over this. Scream sweet ramblings into my years, Asta.

  • Snackolich
    56 points May 22,2018, 3:05am

    I was curious about TC:R's animation pipeline and apparently they use a piece of software called Toon Boom. It's quite popular and uses vector graphics for efficiency.

    The problem is that it's horrible at squash and stretch, which is essential to good-looking cartoony animation. Here is a short example of squash and stretch and how it applies weight and character to objects in animation.

    Not to belabor the point much further, alongside TC:R's bad character designs and complete inability to stay on model (see hand size), they abandoned a lot of classic animation techniques to save money and time. It looks cheap because it IS cheap.

    This is from a strictly technical view of the show. At least in the 80's they had to stay on model to sell toys. No one's buying any merch that comes out of this.

  • ScatterYouMonsters
    43 points May 21,2018, 11:53pm

    True story. Although I've mostly given up on American cartoons to begin with... honestly. Well, other than Archer lol.

    And, I know this is mostly off-topic... although, I thought some might enjoy it... I happened upon the GamerGate article on Wiki and saw some new quotes were added from something new - specifically, "On Video Games: The Visual Politics of Race, Gender, and Space". It seems to quote Anita and some others on GamerGate. Anyhow, while I can't find the book available, I ended up finding this: It apparently made it into American Journal of Play as a book review and some of it is just...

    To quote:

    In the current sociopolitical climate, Soraya Murray provides a significant intervention into the construction of race and gender in video games. She begins by interrogating the intersection of cultural studies, visual studies, and game studies to understand how games work as cultural reflections and tools of cultural production through their representations of social systems. Murray argues that video games, as complex systems of visual culture, “create and uphold value systems and hierarchies of one constituency,” often the dominant class, at the expense of another.

    This study arises from a post-9/11 cultural context undergirded by the widely perpetuated, yet fraught, narrative in which Al-Qaeda, the brown Islamic Other, attacked wholesome white Americans in the World Trade Center complex. She demonstrates how AAA title video games (games with the highest budgets and levels of promotion) reflect and spur the political anxieties regarding race, gender, and globalization that followed the attacks on the twin towers.

    Murray highlights how the tensions in these games conjure the same anxieties as the 9/11 narrative of whiteness traumatized by a racialized Other.

    She engages Lara Croft in Tomb Raider to complicate the discourse of traumatized whiteness with gender. This title presents Lara Croft’s victimhood and vulnerability to evoke the sense that the player must protect her. Invoking Stuart Hall, Murray demonstrates how gendered whiteness uses ambivalence to construct the myth of imperiled whiteness situated both as tasked with structural power yet victimized by an encroaching racialized threat.

    She argues that gaming landscapes are tools of imperialist expansion. She synthesizes level design the formalized practice of training the player to understand the game—with W. J. T. Mitchell’s discussion of landscapes as cultural constructions that transform processes of representing nature and ways of normalizing imperialist expansions to underscore gamescapes as simulacra of real-world locations. To exemplify this argument, she discusses how Metal Gear Solid V: Phantom Pain (Kojima Productions, 2015) draws from a post-9/11 narrative of Afghani-Islamic terrorism to construct a simulacrum of Afghanistan in need of intervention.

  • L00minarty
    28 points May 22,2018, 2:10am

    Well, to be fair, VEG is probably one of the best looking TV anime ever made and there's most likely a little more budget behind that.

    But yeah, western animation as a whole really stinks when compared to japanese animation.

  • Kinzlei
    32 points May 22,2018, 2:38am

    Thundercats Roar is an offense to humanity.

    However they're comparing what is one of the best animated animes to basically the worst of the worst.

    Not exactly fair.

  • MisanthropeNotAutist
    11 points May 22,2018, 7:55am

    I was a kid when the original old-school Thundercats first aired.

    I LOVED it.

    I'm not kidding. It was like Star Wars meets He-Man. It was great for tiny me.

    But then I see Thundercats Roar and my first thought is...um, you kind of missed the point.

    You have this series of characters that look like how you'd expect if a race of warrior-cats were humanoids. And it was COOL.

    Now, the Thundercats look like blobby, expressionless figures that cynical executives think is what nerds look like. As if people who made this are all, "this is what our audience looks like, so we need our characters to look like them otherwise they won't accept it".

    Except, that's not what the originals looked like (and even if people generally looked shapeless that way, they didn't care what the characters on screen looked like), and people loved it anyway. And you KNOW that, otherwise, you wouldn't be so keen to rip it off.

    But that's what it feels like, lazy work for what executives think is a lazy audience.

  • MilesLongthe3rd
    29 points May 22,2018, 2:40am

    But that is a lot of work, is not cheap and you also need some talent.

    For Thundercats Roar you can hire some people from tumblr and they work for next to nothing. This is how the comic industry also works.

    And they still can complain on Twitter how the baby boomers have screwed them.

  • kukuruyo
    10 points May 22,2018, 5:51am

    Ironically, i got a guy in my mentions trying to mock me for complaining about Thundercats while drawing manga, because all manga is exactly the same.

    And that's how you tell the world you have no idea about what you're talking about XD

    On a serious note, it's probably a little cherrypicky to choose something like Violet Evergarden to compare with Thundercats. A more logical comparison would be to pick some low grade anime comedy, but even so, the funniest animest i can remember in a years time are far better animated than Thundercats; things like Tsurezure children or Aho girl. And the have been a lot of visual masterpieces recently from Japan; Violet, Re: creators, Fate Apocrypha, Arpeggio of Blue steel, Girls und panzer, etc, while i can't think of any on western cartoons that reaches that level.

  • centrum5555
    8 points May 22,2018, 2:16am

    Violet Evergarden is supposedly good, should prob watch the first couple of episodes.

  • FarRightTopKeks
    9 points May 22,2018, 5:45am

    Tumblrcats rawr

  • LetFreedomVoat
    9 points May 22,2018, 8:09am

    WAIT.

    THAT THUNDERCATS THING ISN'T FAN ART? IT'S REAL?

    WHAT HAPPENED TO THE AWESOME REBOOT THAT DISAPPEARED A FEW YEARS AGO WITH THE AWESOME ART STYLE AND ANIMATIONS?

  • Le4chanFTW
    7 points May 22,2018, 5:27am

    Oh wow they're doing this to Thundercats too now? Teen Titans, Ben 10, and Scooby Doo weren't enough?

  • H_Guderian
    6 points May 22,2018, 8:11am

    Thinking more, 'Comedy' is the only thing we have to teach from the upcoming generation. Think about great action/adventure titles. There's little morals, hard choices, and 'danger'. When you're a Post-structuralist, morals and little lessons are a no no. When you're a groupthink person there are only the group's choices. And when you have never encountered or sought danger, how can you express that in art?

    The creators of this show are incapable of creating an Action/Adventure kind of show, merely on a thematic level. This new generation of creators is desperately short of anything interesting to say. That's what I get from this Evergarden vs Roar picture. Not just the visuals. One is going out there and trying to do something, another is just there to link scenes of short forgettable jokes.

  • Azkon
    10 points May 22,2018, 4:53am

    I'm just gonna be a little pedantic for a moment, because I like to stir the pot.

    On the internet, a lot of people use the words "animation" and "aesthetic" interchangably. Violet Evergarden is a very pretty show, but I'd call the actual animation decent at best. A lot of the show is made of mid shots showing the top 3rd of a character with some features shifting and their eyes sparkling. Comparing stills is a bit disingenuous. A lot of anime is like this, especially Light Novel adaptations. Their stills better look good, they barely fucking move. (VEG has more actual movement in its pretty close-ups than a lot of LN adaptations though)

    Mob Psycho 100 is a tv anime with what I'd call excellent "animation." I've seen people dislike the aesthetic, so they say the animation sucks, when really they just dislike the aesthetic. These people love to pause on inbetweens and complain about them being off model. However, the simplified character models allow for incredibly expressive and energetic animation, the best I've seen from television.

    Theoretically these simple designs in Thundercats should allow for the same right? Apparently fucking not.

    From what I've seen of this new Thundercats' animation (which is admittedly very little), it's not getting better animation out of its gimped, tired-ass CalArts aesthetic. The characters move around with the same unchanging expressions, their mouths hanging open like they're trying to catch flies. The whole thing is painfully static. I assume this is them putting their best work forward too, since it's what they chose for their promo, which is also apparently the show's intro. The opening of the original Thundercats opening had better animation than this, and that show was famous for its limited animation.

    Most of the really great western animators are working in 3d now, since that's where all the big money is. My relationship with the word animation is what made this long-time lurker finally get his honourary bans, ty, ty

  • H_Guderian
    5 points May 22,2018, 7:17am

    Giving people what they want vs Getting what you're told to want

  • EirikurG
    4 points May 22,2018, 4:47am

    The state of western animation

  • the_settlements
    4 points May 22,2018, 5:53am

    Looking at these pictures of Thundercats Roar makes me think that CN is starting to get really fuckin cheap. My two favorite shows on CN use almost the same animation, but at least they’ll mix it up with some damn good artistry.

    Something similar to Heavy Metal 2000 in Teen Titans Gohttps://youtu.be/4Gmt7JsraPw

    Gumball going Super Saiyanhttps://youtu.be/5Bjad0Gb4_8

  • Masakari666
    4 points May 22,2018, 8:11am

    Look at the art direction for this, look at the people working on it. It's all soyboys and snowflake artistic types. This show is the very definition of leftist entertainment, everything is sanitized, un-masculine, and "quirky".

  • GammaLlama
    5 points May 22,2018, 9:53am

    Honestly even King of the Hill animation would be better at this point, I’m so tired of this low effort look that every American cartoon has had since 2011

  • davidr_v
    4 points May 22,2018, 10:49am

    Some random russian animators are able to do this in their free time https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SDea7laHD4E meanwhile american animators that are paid to do their job come up with that tumblrcats crap. They have no excuse.

  • fatbaldgamer
    6 points May 22,2018, 1:23am

    This a valid point...

  • TyroneCuckshed55
    3 points May 22,2018, 9:46am

    He's got a point. But both are lacking ruggedness. Bring back that heavy metal feel!

  • tellingthetruth-
    3 points May 22,2018, 10:18am

    It's fun seeing the "anti weebs" be so in distressed over this.

  • tenion_the_offender
    3 points May 22,2018, 10:37am

    Calarts in a nutshell.

  • chambertlo
    8 points May 22,2018, 2:57am

    This is really being blown out of proportion and I think that it's an unfair (but sad) comparison. In Japan, animation is viewed as an art form and respected as such. Anime is viewed with the same reverence as live-action film, and people routinely go to the movies to watch animated films just as much as they would a live-action movie.

    In the states, animation of any kind is viewed as "kids stuff". Notice how anyone who watches what people call "cartoons" is looked down upon for being 'immature". As such, animation caters to toddlers and children, and the animation reflects that. Why spend exorbitant amounts of money on animators for a show that is only watched by children?

    The Japanese care about animation as an artform.

    Americans see it as kid's stuff.

    Even a show like Avatar The Last Airbender had all of its animation done in South Korea. The West just doesn't care about animation as anything more than things to entertain children. It's sad, but that's just how things are. Japan continues to be the world leader in animation of any kind while the U.S. makes shit like the new Thundercats. Pathetic, really.

  • mnemosyne-0001
    2 points May 21,2018, 11:40pm

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    2 points May 22,2018, 3:05am

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  • NoPantsBaby
    2 points May 22,2018, 6:42am

    But.... compare profit margins now.

    See why this is happening?

  • jlenoconel
    2 points May 22,2018, 7:08am

    I don't have that much of a problem with the American artwork, but it being an apparent SJW thing is more worrisome. Actually, let me rephrase that, I'd have less of an issue with the artwork if it wasn't Thundercats. It definitely does look off.

  • AnvilofSpinning
    2 points May 22,2018, 10:58am

    > low production> for kids> profit

    I think people are kinda missing the reason why it's shitty

  • red_dinner
    2 points May 22,2018, 3:08pm

    How many fat blue haired women does Japan employ? Checkmate.

  • talkcynic
    2 points May 22,2018, 7:51pm

    Animation is the United States is a joke. I know a lot of its cultural but it’s embarrassing. With all the success of telling adult stories with beautiful animation in the Japanese market you’d think that US executives would at least entertain the idea.

  • BananaDyne
    5 points May 22,2018, 1:10am

    To be fair, Pop Team Epic exists.

  • readgrid
    3 points May 22,2018, 6:44am

    thats just a different style and a still (anime can have quality stills with no or very poor animation) without any context this is a meaningless comparison

    the issue with Thundercats is destruction of the original theme and style and turning it into crappy Steven Universe knockoff

  • deepmaus
    3 points May 22,2018, 4:22am

    When the hell does violet evergarden become good? so far not enjoying the slice of life bullshit.

  • WindowsCrashuser
    1 points May 22,2018, 3:02pm

    I seem to recall when Toonami first started it got popular because they shown reruns of Thundercats,Votron and of course The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest. Later on they manage to get Anime on that block because of those old shows.

  • JudeThadeus
    1 points May 22,2018, 4:52pm

    So I've not seen this community get pissy over the countless Transformers shows that use kids in them, the Muppet babies, or Tiny Toon Adventures. What is the significant difference?

  • greywolfe12
    1 points May 22,2018, 5:47pm

    Looks like how i want the adventure zone animated series to look

  • Fenrir007
    1 points May 22,2018, 6:05pm

    Kyoanus stuff is not even remotely comparable to the new Thundercats.

    Its a pity that the superior Thundercats cartoon got canceled.

  • sentientfartcloud
    1 points May 22,2018, 12:49am

    I haven't watched tv in a long ass time, especially cartoon network stuff, so forgive my curiosity if I ask this question:

    What if the show is good?

  • Robot_ninja_pirate
    1 points May 22,2018, 2:40am

    Meh, not that i'm defending thundercats roar but that is pretty much comparing one of the better looking animes right now to one of the worst cartoons, Japan is not exempt from a newer trend of very poor visuals right now too (primarily in cg works berserk 2016 )

    edit I was very tired fixed broken English

  • stanzololthrowaway
    -1 points May 22,2018, 6:01am

    Not to be a pedant, but those are drawings, not animation.

    Also anybody and their mother can think up examples of shitty Japanese animation, Berserk and the Junji Ito adaptations among the most recent. Still, not to take away to person's point, quality American animation doesn't exist unless its Pixar, or unless your talking about Disney in the 1930's.

  • youreallmeatanyway
    1 points May 22,2018, 9:12am

    TCR is garbage, yes. But his example would be like comparing Batman TAS vs Shin Chan.

    Different styles of animation, different budgets, different purpose behind its production.

    To be clear, I am NOT defending TCR. It is an abomination that should have been aborted in the first trimester.

  • Wilsonian81
    -1 points May 22,2018, 10:03am

    Controversial opinion (downvotes be damned): I’m sure our energy can be better spent elsewhere? Are we seriously complaining about a cartoon aimed at 5 year olds? Sure, this isn’t our Thundercats and we can say that the animation is “cheap” and this is just a cash grab. But are we going to ignore how badly animated the original was, and also the fact that it existed EXCLUSIVELY to sell a line of toys?I loved the cartoon when I was a kid, but I’m not going to place on a pedestal and claim that it was the pinnacle of children’s entertainment.

  • XxGhastxX
    -9 points May 22,2018, 2:38am

    Isn't half of the reason that Anime looks so "good" more to do with the fact that it's barely animated compared to American cartoons. It's basically South Park with an HD skin pack.

    EDIT: As in anime is just 2d images moving around whereas american cartoons are pseudo-3d

  • WesleyPatterson
    -5 points May 22,2018, 8:32am

    You know, while people have valid reasons to be concerned, I don't get why people are hating on the art style. It looks like OK KO or Creg of the Creek, both of which are pretty good.

  • secretgamerX
    -9 points May 22,2018, 2:30am

    If his anime is base on a manga then he doesn't really do much. And i can't believe I'm defending that stupid reboot.

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  • KarmaWalker
    147 points May 22,2018, 3:46am

    "Hey fellow kids! Do you like Teen Titans Go!?"

    "No. That shit is gay."

    "Then you're gonna LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE our new show, Thundercats Roar! It's a comedy, based on someone else's IP that didn't have any real focus on comedy in it!"

    "...why?"

  • ErikaThePaladin
    247 points May 22,2018, 12:42am

    I think a more apt comparison would be a Japanese comedy, like Pop Team Epic or Osomatsu-san. Even those have a lot more care and attention put into it than what's been shown so far of ThunderCats Roar.

    In fact, Osomatsu-san is probably the PERFECT comparison for this. It's a modern reboot of an older series (Osomatsu-kun, a manga and anime from the 60s, which also had a newer series in the 80s).

    Granted, the original series wasn't a serious action show (it was still a comedy), but the recent series has a different tone to it than its predecessors (the boys are now adults, so the humor is now more adult-centric). Even so, it remained respectful to the origins of the show, and its creator (Fujio Akatsuka).

    The animation for Osomatsu-san is pretty good, and can vary from one episode to the next (especially for the few "modern" F6 episodes), but the characters are still well-defined and don't stray off-model too much.

    So, the excuse that "lol it's a comedy" isn't acceptable for it to be so crappy looking. Nor is the excuse "lol it's for kids" (are they trying to say that kids don't deserve better animation than this cheap schlock?).

  • md1957
    255 points May 21,2018, 11:42pm

    For context, this is from a troll/shitposting account of an American animator based in Japan. And to comply with the rules, it's a screenshot.

    That being said, there's good reason to consider that this particular Tweet is rather earnest:

    Even though I am an animator that works in Japan I really try not to make comparisons like this...but... Television animation in Japan 2018 vs Television animation in America 2018. Jesus tap dancing Christ.

    To add even more perspective, one show is done entirely in-house by an animation studio in Kyoto with a budget and resources that would seem short change by the standards of US studios like, say, Cartoon Network. The other is Thundercats Roar.

    EDIT: Adding

  • HAMMER_BT
    102 points May 22,2018, 12:48am

    While he (perhaps) makes it in a somewhat petty way, I think the animator makes a particularly good point that can sometimes get overlooked when criticism focuses on the 'SJW' aspect of things: TC Roar looks like Crap.

    Putting everything else aside (which is not easy), it's verging on an insult for a (formerly) major brand to return like this.

    I forget who said it first, but there is a strong sense one gets that the creators don't take this seriously, and don't want *you* to take it seriously. So they make it a joke, make it shallow and stupid and... cheap.

    It almost reminds me of the Red Letter Media review of some Adam Sandler film where they... basically called the movie a form of fraud, because it was so clear that the budget had been bloated with paying off his friends. TC Roar feels like the studio said; 'hmm, how little can we spend on this to keep the brand alive and milk these freakin' rubes?'

    Fake Edit: It was the review of [Jack and Jill.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXNsT7-Lwsk)

  • henlp
    23 points May 22,2018, 3:34am

    I'd rather watch Black Clover's anime over this. Scream sweet ramblings into my years, Asta.

  • Snackolich
    56 points May 22,2018, 3:05am

    I was curious about TC:R's animation pipeline and apparently they use a piece of software called Toon Boom. It's quite popular and uses vector graphics for efficiency.

    The problem is that it's horrible at squash and stretch, which is essential to good-looking cartoony animation. Here is a short example of squash and stretch and how it applies weight and character to objects in animation.

    Not to belabor the point much further, alongside TC:R's bad character designs and complete inability to stay on model (see hand size), they abandoned a lot of classic animation techniques to save money and time. It looks cheap because it IS cheap.

    This is from a strictly technical view of the show. At least in the 80's they had to stay on model to sell toys. No one's buying any merch that comes out of this.

  • ScatterYouMonsters
    43 points May 21,2018, 11:53pm

    True story. Although I've mostly given up on American cartoons to begin with... honestly. Well, other than Archer lol.

    And, I know this is mostly off-topic... although, I thought some might enjoy it... I happened upon the GamerGate article on Wiki and saw some new quotes were added from something new - specifically, "On Video Games: The Visual Politics of Race, Gender, and Space". It seems to quote Anita and some others on GamerGate. Anyhow, while I can't find the book available, I ended up finding this: It apparently made it into American Journal of Play as a book review and some of it is just...

    To quote:

    In the current sociopolitical climate, Soraya Murray provides a significant intervention into the construction of race and gender in video games. She begins by interrogating the intersection of cultural studies, visual studies, and game studies to understand how games work as cultural reflections and tools of cultural production through their representations of social systems. Murray argues that video games, as complex systems of visual culture, “create and uphold value systems and hierarchies of one constituency,” often the dominant class, at the expense of another.

    This study arises from a post-9/11 cultural context undergirded by the widely perpetuated, yet fraught, narrative in which Al-Qaeda, the brown Islamic Other, attacked wholesome white Americans in the World Trade Center complex. She demonstrates how AAA title video games (games with the highest budgets and levels of promotion) reflect and spur the political anxieties regarding race, gender, and globalization that followed the attacks on the twin towers.

    Murray highlights how the tensions in these games conjure the same anxieties as the 9/11 narrative of whiteness traumatized by a racialized Other.

    She engages Lara Croft in Tomb Raider to complicate the discourse of traumatized whiteness with gender. This title presents Lara Croft’s victimhood and vulnerability to evoke the sense that the player must protect her. Invoking Stuart Hall, Murray demonstrates how gendered whiteness uses ambivalence to construct the myth of imperiled whiteness situated both as tasked with structural power yet victimized by an encroaching racialized threat.

    She argues that gaming landscapes are tools of imperialist expansion. She synthesizes level design the formalized practice of training the player to understand the game—with W. J. T. Mitchell’s discussion of landscapes as cultural constructions that transform processes of representing nature and ways of normalizing imperialist expansions to underscore gamescapes as simulacra of real-world locations. To exemplify this argument, she discusses how Metal Gear Solid V: Phantom Pain (Kojima Productions, 2015) draws from a post-9/11 narrative of Afghani-Islamic terrorism to construct a simulacrum of Afghanistan in need of intervention.

  • L00minarty
    28 points May 22,2018, 2:10am

    Well, to be fair, VEG is probably one of the best looking TV anime ever made and there's most likely a little more budget behind that.

    But yeah, western animation as a whole really stinks when compared to japanese animation.

  • Kinzlei
    32 points May 22,2018, 2:38am

    Thundercats Roar is an offense to humanity.

    However they're comparing what is one of the best animated animes to basically the worst of the worst.

    Not exactly fair.

  • MisanthropeNotAutist
    11 points May 22,2018, 7:55am

    I was a kid when the original old-school Thundercats first aired.

    I LOVED it.

    I'm not kidding. It was like Star Wars meets He-Man. It was great for tiny me.

    But then I see Thundercats Roar and my first thought is...um, you kind of missed the point.

    You have this series of characters that look like how you'd expect if a race of warrior-cats were humanoids. And it was COOL.

    Now, the Thundercats look like blobby, expressionless figures that cynical executives think is what nerds look like. As if people who made this are all, "this is what our audience looks like, so we need our characters to look like them otherwise they won't accept it".

    Except, that's not what the originals looked like (and even if people generally looked shapeless that way, they didn't care what the characters on screen looked like), and people loved it anyway. And you KNOW that, otherwise, you wouldn't be so keen to rip it off.

    But that's what it feels like, lazy work for what executives think is a lazy audience.

  • MilesLongthe3rd
    29 points May 22,2018, 2:40am

    But that is a lot of work, is not cheap and you also need some talent.

    For Thundercats Roar you can hire some people from tumblr and they work for next to nothing. This is how the comic industry also works.

    And they still can complain on Twitter how the baby boomers have screwed them.

  • kukuruyo
    10 points May 22,2018, 5:51am

    Ironically, i got a guy in my mentions trying to mock me for complaining about Thundercats while drawing manga, because all manga is exactly the same.

    And that's how you tell the world you have no idea about what you're talking about XD

    On a serious note, it's probably a little cherrypicky to choose something like Violet Evergarden to compare with Thundercats. A more logical comparison would be to pick some low grade anime comedy, but even so, the funniest animest i can remember in a years time are far better animated than Thundercats; things like Tsurezure children or Aho girl. And the have been a lot of visual masterpieces recently from Japan; Violet, Re: creators, Fate Apocrypha, Arpeggio of Blue steel, Girls und panzer, etc, while i can't think of any on western cartoons that reaches that level.

  • centrum5555
    8 points May 22,2018, 2:16am

    Violet Evergarden is supposedly good, should prob watch the first couple of episodes.

  • FarRightTopKeks
    9 points May 22,2018, 5:45am

    Tumblrcats rawr

  • LetFreedomVoat
    9 points May 22,2018, 8:09am

    WAIT.

    THAT THUNDERCATS THING ISN'T FAN ART? IT'S REAL?

    WHAT HAPPENED TO THE AWESOME REBOOT THAT DISAPPEARED A FEW YEARS AGO WITH THE AWESOME ART STYLE AND ANIMATIONS?

  • Le4chanFTW
    7 points May 22,2018, 5:27am

    Oh wow they're doing this to Thundercats too now? Teen Titans, Ben 10, and Scooby Doo weren't enough?

  • H_Guderian
    6 points May 22,2018, 8:11am

    Thinking more, 'Comedy' is the only thing we have to teach from the upcoming generation. Think about great action/adventure titles. There's little morals, hard choices, and 'danger'. When you're a Post-structuralist, morals and little lessons are a no no. When you're a groupthink person there are only the group's choices. And when you have never encountered or sought danger, how can you express that in art?

    The creators of this show are incapable of creating an Action/Adventure kind of show, merely on a thematic level. This new generation of creators is desperately short of anything interesting to say. That's what I get from this Evergarden vs Roar picture. Not just the visuals. One is going out there and trying to do something, another is just there to link scenes of short forgettable jokes.

  • Azkon
    10 points May 22,2018, 4:53am

    I'm just gonna be a little pedantic for a moment, because I like to stir the pot.

    On the internet, a lot of people use the words "animation" and "aesthetic" interchangably. Violet Evergarden is a very pretty show, but I'd call the actual animation decent at best. A lot of the show is made of mid shots showing the top 3rd of a character with some features shifting and their eyes sparkling. Comparing stills is a bit disingenuous. A lot of anime is like this, especially Light Novel adaptations. Their stills better look good, they barely fucking move. (VEG has more actual movement in its pretty close-ups than a lot of LN adaptations though)

    Mob Psycho 100 is a tv anime with what I'd call excellent "animation." I've seen people dislike the aesthetic, so they say the animation sucks, when really they just dislike the aesthetic. These people love to pause on inbetweens and complain about them being off model. However, the simplified character models allow for incredibly expressive and energetic animation, the best I've seen from television.

    Theoretically these simple designs in Thundercats should allow for the same right? Apparently fucking not.

    From what I've seen of this new Thundercats' animation (which is admittedly very little), it's not getting better animation out of its gimped, tired-ass CalArts aesthetic. The characters move around with the same unchanging expressions, their mouths hanging open like they're trying to catch flies. The whole thing is painfully static. I assume this is them putting their best work forward too, since it's what they chose for their promo, which is also apparently the show's intro. The opening of the original Thundercats opening had better animation than this, and that show was famous for its limited animation.

    Most of the really great western animators are working in 3d now, since that's where all the big money is. My relationship with the word animation is what made this long-time lurker finally get his honourary bans, ty, ty

  • H_Guderian
    5 points May 22,2018, 7:17am

    Giving people what they want vs Getting what you're told to want

  • EirikurG
    4 points May 22,2018, 4:47am

    The state of western animation

  • the_settlements
    4 points May 22,2018, 5:53am

    Looking at these pictures of Thundercats Roar makes me think that CN is starting to get really fuckin cheap. My two favorite shows on CN use almost the same animation, but at least they’ll mix it up with some damn good artistry.

    Something similar to Heavy Metal 2000 in Teen Titans Gohttps://youtu.be/4Gmt7JsraPw

    Gumball going Super Saiyanhttps://youtu.be/5Bjad0Gb4_8

  • Masakari666
    4 points May 22,2018, 8:11am

    Look at the art direction for this, look at the people working on it. It's all soyboys and snowflake artistic types. This show is the very definition of leftist entertainment, everything is sanitized, un-masculine, and "quirky".

  • GammaLlama
    5 points May 22,2018, 9:53am

    Honestly even King of the Hill animation would be better at this point, I’m so tired of this low effort look that every American cartoon has had since 2011

  • davidr_v
    4 points May 22,2018, 10:49am

    Some random russian animators are able to do this in their free time https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SDea7laHD4E meanwhile american animators that are paid to do their job come up with that tumblrcats crap. They have no excuse.

  • fatbaldgamer
    6 points May 22,2018, 1:23am

    This a valid point...

  • TyroneCuckshed55
    3 points May 22,2018, 9:46am

    He's got a point. But both are lacking ruggedness. Bring back that heavy metal feel!

  • tellingthetruth-
    3 points May 22,2018, 10:18am

    It's fun seeing the "anti weebs" be so in distressed over this.

  • tenion_the_offender
    3 points May 22,2018, 10:37am

    Calarts in a nutshell.

  • chambertlo
    8 points May 22,2018, 2:57am

    This is really being blown out of proportion and I think that it's an unfair (but sad) comparison. In Japan, animation is viewed as an art form and respected as such. Anime is viewed with the same reverence as live-action film, and people routinely go to the movies to watch animated films just as much as they would a live-action movie.

    In the states, animation of any kind is viewed as "kids stuff". Notice how anyone who watches what people call "cartoons" is looked down upon for being 'immature". As such, animation caters to toddlers and children, and the animation reflects that. Why spend exorbitant amounts of money on animators for a show that is only watched by children?

    The Japanese care about animation as an artform.

    Americans see it as kid's stuff.

    Even a show like Avatar The Last Airbender had all of its animation done in South Korea. The West just doesn't care about animation as anything more than things to entertain children. It's sad, but that's just how things are. Japan continues to be the world leader in animation of any kind while the U.S. makes shit like the new Thundercats. Pathetic, really.

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  • NoPantsBaby
    2 points May 22,2018, 6:42am

    But.... compare profit margins now.

    See why this is happening?

  • jlenoconel
    2 points May 22,2018, 7:08am

    I don't have that much of a problem with the American artwork, but it being an apparent SJW thing is more worrisome. Actually, let me rephrase that, I'd have less of an issue with the artwork if it wasn't Thundercats. It definitely does look off.

  • AnvilofSpinning
    2 points May 22,2018, 10:58am

    > low production> for kids> profit

    I think people are kinda missing the reason why it's shitty

  • red_dinner
    2 points May 22,2018, 3:08pm

    How many fat blue haired women does Japan employ? Checkmate.

  • talkcynic
    2 points May 22,2018, 7:51pm

    Animation is the United States is a joke. I know a lot of its cultural but it’s embarrassing. With all the success of telling adult stories with beautiful animation in the Japanese market you’d think that US executives would at least entertain the idea.

  • BananaDyne
    5 points May 22,2018, 1:10am

    To be fair, Pop Team Epic exists.

  • readgrid
    3 points May 22,2018, 6:44am

    thats just a different style and a still (anime can have quality stills with no or very poor animation) without any context this is a meaningless comparison

    the issue with Thundercats is destruction of the original theme and style and turning it into crappy Steven Universe knockoff

  • deepmaus
    3 points May 22,2018, 4:22am

    When the hell does violet evergarden become good? so far not enjoying the slice of life bullshit.

  • WindowsCrashuser
    1 points May 22,2018, 3:02pm

    I seem to recall when Toonami first started it got popular because they shown reruns of Thundercats,Votron and of course The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest. Later on they manage to get Anime on that block because of those old shows.

  • JudeThadeus
    1 points May 22,2018, 4:52pm

    So I've not seen this community get pissy over the countless Transformers shows that use kids in them, the Muppet babies, or Tiny Toon Adventures. What is the significant difference?

  • greywolfe12
    1 points May 22,2018, 5:47pm

    Looks like how i want the adventure zone animated series to look

  • Fenrir007
    1 points May 22,2018, 6:05pm

    Kyoanus stuff is not even remotely comparable to the new Thundercats.

    Its a pity that the superior Thundercats cartoon got canceled.

  • sentientfartcloud
    1 points May 22,2018, 12:49am

    I haven't watched tv in a long ass time, especially cartoon network stuff, so forgive my curiosity if I ask this question:

    What if the show is good?

  • Robot_ninja_pirate
    1 points May 22,2018, 2:40am

    Meh, not that i'm defending thundercats roar but that is pretty much comparing one of the better looking animes right now to one of the worst cartoons, Japan is not exempt from a newer trend of very poor visuals right now too (primarily in cg works berserk 2016 )

    edit I was very tired fixed broken English

  • stanzololthrowaway
    -1 points May 22,2018, 6:01am

    Not to be a pedant, but those are drawings, not animation.

    Also anybody and their mother can think up examples of shitty Japanese animation, Berserk and the Junji Ito adaptations among the most recent. Still, not to take away to person's point, quality American animation doesn't exist unless its Pixar, or unless your talking about Disney in the 1930's.

  • youreallmeatanyway
    1 points May 22,2018, 9:12am

    TCR is garbage, yes. But his example would be like comparing Batman TAS vs Shin Chan.

    Different styles of animation, different budgets, different purpose behind its production.

    To be clear, I am NOT defending TCR. It is an abomination that should have been aborted in the first trimester.

  • Wilsonian81
    -1 points May 22,2018, 10:03am

    Controversial opinion (downvotes be damned): I’m sure our energy can be better spent elsewhere? Are we seriously complaining about a cartoon aimed at 5 year olds? Sure, this isn’t our Thundercats and we can say that the animation is “cheap” and this is just a cash grab. But are we going to ignore how badly animated the original was, and also the fact that it existed EXCLUSIVELY to sell a line of toys?I loved the cartoon when I was a kid, but I’m not going to place on a pedestal and claim that it was the pinnacle of children’s entertainment.

  • XxGhastxX
    -9 points May 22,2018, 2:38am

    Isn't half of the reason that Anime looks so "good" more to do with the fact that it's barely animated compared to American cartoons. It's basically South Park with an HD skin pack.

    EDIT: As in anime is just 2d images moving around whereas american cartoons are pseudo-3d

  • WesleyPatterson
    -5 points May 22,2018, 8:32am

    You know, while people have valid reasons to be concerned, I don't get why people are hating on the art style. It looks like OK KO or Creg of the Creek, both of which are pretty good.

  • secretgamerX
    -9 points May 22,2018, 2:30am

    If his anime is base on a manga then he doesn't really do much. And i can't believe I'm defending that stupid reboot.

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    19 points May 18,2018, 8:42am

    You can find the original "offending" image in the revisions.

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    So somebody posted a useful reply, then several months later someone was offended, and they were forced to go back and change it.

    It's an old post, but this is how it begins, with little offensive tweaks.

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    Which is the original image, were they offended by the black person or by the non-fat woman?

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    You can find the original "offending" image in the revisions.

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    So somebody posted a useful reply, then several months later someone was offended, and they were forced to go back and change it.

    It's an old post, but this is how it begins, with little offensive tweaks.

    +2 nerd culture (Blender is a 3D application for game development, among other things)

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    Which is the original image, were they offended by the black person or by the non-fat woman?

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    1 points May 10,2018, 12:50pm

    Flaired

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    10 points May 10,2018, 1:53pm

    Our subs have shot up today. I think we were on like 93.4k yesterday?

    Has someone been talking about us somewhere? Article? Popular Youtuber?

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    Always wanted one from this board, can has?

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    In other words - if 100% of the people voted all the time perfectly politicians could potentially disenfranchise 49.99...% of the voters consistently.

    Counter to my own theory: People can change their minds,
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    Flaired

  • B-VOLLEYBALL-READY
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    Our subs have shot up today. I think we were on like 93.4k yesterday?

    Has someone been talking about us somewhere? Article? Popular Youtuber?

    Any of the n00bs here able to sound off about how you got here?

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    Always wanted one from this board, can has?

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    Someone is really good at creating sockpuppets.

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    As an ancillary use for my get post - I wanted to share some random thoughts if you are interested, because, "why not". I'm mostly a lurker and only usually contribute within context of a conversation, rarely ever volunteering my own thoughts on matters up front.


    Shower Thought: If we had perfect 100% voting participation political think tanks could theoretically marginalize the populace more than if we had some political "non-voting" slack. They could do this by accurate analysis of voting trends and you could more precisely figure out the margins for victory therefore make the least amount of promises to the voting base.

    In other words - if 100% of the people voted all the time perfectly politicians could potentially disenfranchise 49.99...% of the voters consistently.

    Counter to my own theory: People can change their minds,
    Rebuttal - They don't often do.

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    Fast on the trigger, you are!

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  • iadagraca
    62 points Mar 30,2018, 3:40pm

    This comic pushes the idea that, if a woman trusts a man rape is inevitable, If rape occurs she shouldn't speak out cause there's no consequences only blame.

    Meanwhile men can just trust other men all the time and benefit all the time. There's no threat of violence, rape, or other crime ever. Cause all men are best friends all the time.

    I honestly wonder what this comic is even supposed to do. it's not to inform women about the behaviors and dangers to watch out for, it doesn't tell women how to handle these things properly and safely.

    All it does is give people reason to be scared, men won't bother asking and women won't bother doing. And nothing moves forward.

  • Millenia0
    25 points Mar 30,2018, 3:39pm

    Why would she be broke?

  • ForPortal
    20 points Mar 30,2018, 4:39pm

    "How rape makes women poorer."

    That should be "How believing all men are rapists makes women poorer." The mechanism is the distrust of men, regardless of whether or not that distrust is justified.

    And who promotes this harmful belief, both by perpetuating the lie that the west is a rape culture and by importing an actual rape culture from other, shittier countries?

  • ggthxnore
    10 points Mar 30,2018, 6:02pm

    Remember all those times Harvey Weinstein offered to make you rich and famous just for having a penis, and you didn't even have to touch his? Male privilege is amazing. I'm glad I wasn't consigned to a life of crushing poverty by virtue of my gender like all those famous actresses.

  • Castle_of_Decay
    15 points Mar 30,2018, 5:27pm

    What this comic doesn't show is this:

    1. A guy invites a girl.
    2. She goes.
    3. He introduces her to people.
    4. No rape happens.
    5. She leaves.
    6. Her career goes off.
    7. Years leater, when her career starts to fizzle out, she falsely accuses him of rape, because he's famous and rich.
    8. 30 other women follow suit, wanting to get on the money.
    9. ???
    10. Profit.
    11. Man's career and social life is destroyed, but nobody cares.
  • Arkene
    5 points Mar 30,2018, 6:43pm

    So the message of this comic, never trust bald men with Goaties and hipster glasses...actually no...never trust Hispters.

  • etiolatezed
    6 points Mar 30,2018, 6:06pm

    This is why they think Atari was rape when the people involved do not.

  • colouredcyan
    4 points Mar 30,2018, 6:30pm

    Do women not buy return tickets or something?

  • HelloTosh
    3 points Mar 30,2018, 6:29pm

    Sheer paranoia peddling.

  • Breakdawall
    3 points Mar 30,2018, 7:10pm

    What's that rule, that these guys project a lot? How many women has the artist raped?

  • red_dinner
    2 points Mar 30,2018, 5:38pm

    "Don't rape because it's bad for a woman's finances" - Democrats

  • mnemosyne-0001
    1 points Mar 30,2018, 3:29pm

    Archive links for this post:


    I am Mnemosyne reborn. Mnemosyne saves! The rest of you take 30 hp damage. /r/botsrights

COMMENTS

  • iadagraca
    62 points Mar 30,2018, 3:40pm

    This comic pushes the idea that, if a woman trusts a man rape is inevitable, If rape occurs she shouldn't speak out cause there's no consequences only blame.

    Meanwhile men can just trust other men all the time and benefit all the time. There's no threat of violence, rape, or other crime ever. Cause all men are best friends all the time.

    I honestly wonder what this comic is even supposed to do. it's not to inform women about the behaviors and dangers to watch out for, it doesn't tell women how to handle these things properly and safely.

    All it does is give people reason to be scared, men won't bother asking and women won't bother doing. And nothing moves forward.

  • Millenia0
    25 points Mar 30,2018, 3:39pm

    Why would she be broke?

  • ForPortal
    20 points Mar 30,2018, 4:39pm

    "How rape makes women poorer."

    That should be "How believing all men are rapists makes women poorer." The mechanism is the distrust of men, regardless of whether or not that distrust is justified.

    And who promotes this harmful belief, both by perpetuating the lie that the west is a rape culture and by importing an actual rape culture from other, shittier countries?

  • Jesus_marley
    14 points Mar 30,2018, 4:20pm

    Please folks, No smoking near the strawman. Thank you.

  • ggthxnore
    10 points Mar 30,2018, 6:02pm

    Remember all those times Harvey Weinstein offered to make you rich and famous just for having a penis, and you didn't even have to touch his? Male privilege is amazing. I'm glad I wasn't consigned to a life of crushing poverty by virtue of my gender like all those famous actresses.

  • Castle_of_Decay
    15 points Mar 30,2018, 5:27pm

    What this comic doesn't show is this:

    1. A guy invites a girl.
    2. She goes.
    3. He introduces her to people.
    4. No rape happens.
    5. She leaves.
    6. Her career goes off.
    7. Years leater, when her career starts to fizzle out, she falsely accuses him of rape, because he's famous and rich.
    8. 30 other women follow suit, wanting to get on the money.
    9. ???
    10. Profit.
    11. Man's career and social life is destroyed, but nobody cares.
  • Arkene
    5 points Mar 30,2018, 6:43pm

    So the message of this comic, never trust bald men with Goaties and hipster glasses...actually no...never trust Hispters.

  • etiolatezed
    6 points Mar 30,2018, 6:06pm

    This is why they think Atari was rape when the people involved do not.

  • colouredcyan
    4 points Mar 30,2018, 6:30pm

    Do women not buy return tickets or something?

  • HelloTosh
    3 points Mar 30,2018, 6:29pm

    Sheer paranoia peddling.

  • Breakdawall
    3 points Mar 30,2018, 7:10pm

    What's that rule, that these guys project a lot? How many women has the artist raped?

  • red_dinner
    2 points Mar 30,2018, 5:38pm

    "Don't rape because it's bad for a woman's finances" - Democrats

  • mnemosyne-0001
    1 points Mar 30,2018, 3:29pm

    Archive links for this post:


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Kotaku virtue signaling to the smallest possible demographics has predictable effect (35 peoplekind watching the stream)

Kotaku In Action: The almost-official GamerGate subreddit!

COMMENTS

  • storeclerkman
    75 points Mar 27,2018, 10:44pm

    Did it actually take Kotaku this long to finish The Order? Not surprised.

  • Ed130_The_Vanguard
    140 points Mar 27,2018, 10:24pm

    It doesn't help that:

    • Its the end of the game

    • The game in question wasn't the best.

    • The game has already had its '15 minutes of fame' and has been forgotten.

    That said, when the likes of Soviet Womble and Cyanide can easily get a thousand people to listen to them literally taking a piss a double digit viewership is pretty sad.

  • kekistani_insurgent
    40 points Mar 28,2018, 12:33am

    I could pull a bigger crowd running around in the park in my underwear and I don't have a single gender studies degree.

  • Gordondd15
    19 points Mar 27,2018, 11:26pm

    It's fine cause the the non non binary viewers technically count as multiple people, bringing the real number up to 15 cause if it is a real thing then it's probably rare and they have better things to be doing

  • Arkene
    18 points Mar 28,2018, 2:13am

    mmost of that 25 are probably the office 'supporting'

  • vivianjamesplay
    12 points Mar 28,2018, 1:09am

    Someday they'll figure out how to fake metrics for streaming views.

  • Al_Simmons
    11 points Mar 28,2018, 3:23am

    Lmao how does Kotaku make money? Do they even make money?

  • ceyen1
    9 points Mar 28,2018, 12:29am

    All of them were me.

  • TinyWightSpider
    7 points Mar 28,2018, 9:55am

    The Red Letter Media/Previously Recorded review is the only good thing to come of this game.

    https://youtu.be/vG0zJ89Fv8c

    Dickpunch!!

  • Hassahappa
    4 points Mar 28,2018, 11:28am

    Finishing up their playthrough? Isn't that game about 4 hours long?

  • kingarthas2
    4 points Mar 28,2018, 12:13pm

    and non binary pals

    Pull the fucking plug, please

  • Count-Sporkula
    10 points Mar 27,2018, 10:37pm

    It wasn't a bad game, but damn it's 4 years old

  • Vaigna
    6 points Mar 28,2018, 10:14am

    Unpopular opinion: It's an excellent game.

  • cochisedaavenger
    2 points Mar 28,2018, 7:34am

    God damn! It took them this long to finish that game?! It was like 8 hours long and came out what 3 years ago?

  • DuduMaroja
    2 points Mar 28,2018, 9:44am

    Most are Kotaku writers obligated to let a window with the stream open

  • Millenia0
    5 points Mar 27,2018, 10:18pm

    Who is streaming? I like to think Kotaku has atleast one person that isn't insufferable.

  • mnemosyne-0001
    0 points Mar 27,2018, 10:03pm

    Archive links for this post:


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COMMENTS

  • storeclerkman
    75 points Mar 27,2018, 10:44pm

    Did it actually take Kotaku this long to finish The Order? Not surprised.

  • Ed130_The_Vanguard
    140 points Mar 27,2018, 10:24pm

    It doesn't help that:

    • Its the end of the game

    • The game in question wasn't the best.

    • The game has already had its '15 minutes of fame' and has been forgotten.

    That said, when the likes of Soviet Womble and Cyanide can easily get a thousand people to listen to them literally taking a piss a double digit viewership is pretty sad.

  • kekistani_insurgent
    40 points Mar 28,2018, 12:33am

    I could pull a bigger crowd running around in the park in my underwear and I don't have a single gender studies degree.

  • Niridas
    24 points Mar 28,2018, 5:51am

    anyone remembers how the incredible amount of 2 people bought a game in the month after Saint Anita promoted it? LMAO

    SJWism is economic poison

  • Gordondd15
    19 points Mar 27,2018, 11:26pm

    It's fine cause the the non non binary viewers technically count as multiple people, bringing the real number up to 15 cause if it is a real thing then it's probably rare and they have better things to be doing

  • Arkene
    18 points Mar 28,2018, 2:13am

    mmost of that 25 are probably the office 'supporting'

  • vivianjamesplay
    12 points Mar 28,2018, 1:09am

    Someday they'll figure out how to fake metrics for streaming views.

  • Al_Simmons
    11 points Mar 28,2018, 3:23am

    Lmao how does Kotaku make money? Do they even make money?

  • ceyen1
    9 points Mar 28,2018, 12:29am

    All of them were me.

  • TinyWightSpider
    7 points Mar 28,2018, 9:55am

    The Red Letter Media/Previously Recorded review is the only good thing to come of this game.

    https://youtu.be/vG0zJ89Fv8c

    Dickpunch!!

  • Hassahappa
    4 points Mar 28,2018, 11:28am

    Finishing up their playthrough? Isn't that game about 4 hours long?

  • kingarthas2
    4 points Mar 28,2018, 12:13pm

    and non binary pals

    Pull the fucking plug, please

  • Count-Sporkula
    10 points Mar 27,2018, 10:37pm

    It wasn't a bad game, but damn it's 4 years old

  • Vaigna
    6 points Mar 28,2018, 10:14am

    Unpopular opinion: It's an excellent game.

  • cochisedaavenger
    2 points Mar 28,2018, 7:34am

    God damn! It took them this long to finish that game?! It was like 8 hours long and came out what 3 years ago?

  • DuduMaroja
    2 points Mar 28,2018, 9:44am

    Most are Kotaku writers obligated to let a window with the stream open

  • Millenia0
    5 points Mar 27,2018, 10:18pm

    Who is streaming? I like to think Kotaku has atleast one person that isn't insufferable.

  • mnemosyne-0001
    0 points Mar 27,2018, 10:03pm

    Archive links for this post:


    I am Mnemosyne reborn. This is the voice of world control. /r/botsrights

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Police Scotland (on Twitter) - "What you post now can affect you later in life."

Kotaku In Action: The almost-official GamerGate subreddit!

COMMENTS

  • lucben999
    136 points Mar 21,2018, 2:30pm

    I see you don't have a licence to link the actual tweet, so here it is:

    https://twitter.com/policescotland/status/976490843791126528

  • whoisjohncleland
    341 points Mar 21,2018, 1:55pm

    This very Orwellian message just popped up on the twitter account for Police Scotland - ominous indeed. The double-down is real.

    Also, I thought that porn was going to be filtered in the U.K.? I ask because they are getting pooned pretty hard in the replies.

  • GregariousWolf
    108 points Mar 21,2018, 4:34pm

    https://twitter.com/policescotland/status/974620905572880384

    Today we are launching a campaign on #HateCrime. Be #GreaterThanAHater and report any incidents of hate crime by calling 101 or 999 in an emergency.

    Back in my day, telling someone to call the internet police was a joke.

  • GregariousWolf
    52 points Mar 21,2018, 4:57pm

    Rowan Atkinson: we must be allowed to insult each other (from 2012)

    He criticised the "new intolerance" as he called for part of it the Public Order Act to be repealed, saying it was having a "chilling effect on free expression and free protest".

    Mr Atkinson said: "The clear problem of the outlawing of insult is that too many things can be interpreted as such. Criticism, ridicule, sarcasm, merely stating an alternative point of view to the orthodoxy, can be interpreted as insult."

  • flybydeath
    93 points Mar 21,2018, 2:29pm

    Well at least they are getting shit on by everyone outside Scotland. People taking the piss out of them publicly really undermines their tough guy attitude. It just demonstrates how powerless they are on a world wide platform.

  • tenttable
    41 points Mar 21,2018, 3:29pm

    PICK

    UP

    THAT

    CAN

  • ThatDeviantOne
    105 points Mar 21,2018, 2:02pm

    I swear this sounds like the sort of thinking that people should be punished for whatever thing they said online even many years later. Well excuse people for not being "woke" at 12 years old when first get online.

    It reminds me when the Justice Democrats kicked out Cenk Uygur because of stupid shit he said like 20 years ago despite him no longer standing by that. This type of thinking basically means you're forever guilty even if what might not had been so bad back then suddenly becomes bad in the future.

  • Wylanderuk
    25 points Mar 21,2018, 3:32pm

    As a scot in my forties I remember a time when something like this would have generated a response of "ah away fuck yerself you fucking wanker", and quite possibly less polite versions...

  • Elvick
    30 points Mar 21,2018, 2:51pm

    lol, their last picture they shared is victim blaming victims of robbery.

    Don’t gift thieves an opportunity! Criminals are opportunists and may take advantage of poor security. #DontDropYourGuard ensure your windows and doors are locked securely when leaving your home even if you are only leaving for a short time.

    Sounds an awful lot like "targeting someone who is different from you." So because they want to leave their windows open and their door open, they deserve to be targeted by police for shame? Shameful display!

    This image says it all. They're infringing on freedom while treating us all like children. Glad to not live in Scotland, but it's not much better elsewhere either.

  • AntonioOfVenice
    91 points Mar 21,2018, 1:57pm

    Fascist pigs. Everyone in countries that aren't shitholes (or shitholes to a lesser degree, like my country) should hurt the feelings of these pathetic losers in the Scottish police force.

  • damadfaceinvasion
    13 points Mar 21,2018, 4:30pm

    12 years ago Anonymous would have fucked their shit up for doing some shit like that. What the hell happened. Why aren't there pro free speech hacker groups?

  • mousefu
    12 points Mar 21,2018, 3:46pm

    From the Uk where a guy was sentenced to 12 months for throwing bacon at a mosque then just so happened to die in prison Here

  • Masakari666
    12 points Mar 21,2018, 5:06pm

    They are getting absolutely destroyed on twitter, its been so savage its almost funny.

  • jlenoconel
    10 points Mar 21,2018, 3:17pm

    They're getting trolled massively now lol. They can't go after everyone. How pathetic are our police that they go after people saying "offensive" stuff rather than actual criminals?

  • EdgyCynic
    33 points Mar 21,2018, 3:16pm

    How did it come to this, and why does it seem like no one in the country is fighting back?

    How did they go from Churchill and Thatcher to... this, and under a Tory government (allegedly the “””conservative””” party)?

    The mind boggles.

  • cactusjack-
    10 points Mar 21,2018, 4:09pm

    Great Britain is fucking dead

  • Aurondarklord
    18 points Mar 21,2018, 2:58pm

    The UK has legitimately become a police state.

  • centrum5555
    8 points Mar 21,2018, 2:35pm

    what is the limitation of liability in time for going against the communication act anyway?

    not that i as a non britan citizen am very concerned, given we have no such thing as an 'anti offense law' but i would still be interested.

  • SsaEborp
    15 points Mar 21,2018, 2:18pm

    Shit like this is why I switched all my social media profiles to London, Berlin, etc.

  • AvenCycle
    8 points Mar 21,2018, 3:14pm

    “Always eyes watching you and the voice enveloping you. Asleep or awake, indoors or out of doors, in the bath or bed- no escape. Nothing was your own except the few cubic centimeters in your skull.”

  • AyyyGreens
    6 points Mar 21,2018, 3:19pm

    We’re the cyber police, we’re going to backtrace you. Consequences will never be the same!

  • bastion72
    7 points Mar 21,2018, 3:46pm

    Reminds me off a political cartoon with a bunch of cops with their batons out looking at a crowd of people and announcing "You wouldn't believe what's illegal today."

  • Keanu_Reeves_real
    8 points Mar 21,2018, 4:31pm
  • CantripFiesta
    5 points Mar 21,2018, 3:21pm

    I can't help but feel these messages are just bait for people to reveal their wrongthink in disagreement. When there are none left that can or will take the bait, mission accomplished, utopia achieved.

  • brixtonslag
    5 points Mar 21,2018, 3:35pm

    Americans are still free to give them a piece of their minds, anyway. There is that, I suppose.

  • Alcohol-freealcohol
    5 points Mar 21,2018, 6:20pm

    Yo, Police Scotland, my dick called. It's throwing a party and your mouth's been chosen as suitable candidate for the venue.

  • gabrielmodesta
    10 points Mar 21,2018, 3:19pm

    Everything they say is actually 100% true. The exception is the "same rules apply" stuff will be very locale-dependent, but everything else is factually accurate.

    Still would prefer not to see this sort of thing from a police department of all places though. It's not so much that they're wrong, it's just that I wish police would focus on more important issues, like maybe the child rape epidemic in the UK, constant coverups of same, and leave the raising of children to their parents.

  • VenomWolfe
    5 points Mar 21,2018, 2:04pm

    Mel Gibson is spinning in his "FREEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!" 's pretend grave.

  • Graf_von_Tirol
    4 points Mar 21,2018, 3:48pm

    This has been addressed yesterday by Philip de Franco, but it's high time that this sort of thing gets addressed by a bigger voice. I am still absolutely livid that the verdict was such, and that "they'll gas entire football stadiums" has been used as a rationale to push said verdict.

  • GodotIsWaiting4U
    4 points Mar 21,2018, 4:58pm

    Police Stateland

  • Yourehan
    6 points Mar 21,2018, 4:59pm

    Well that is objectively correct, but a police account tweeting that feels extremely Orwellian, as others have said.

  • solaarus
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 5:04pm

    Does anyone have any examples of Muslims in the UK calling for violence against Jews where none of them were prosecuted. I'm going to write a letter to my local MP to protest Count Dankula's conviction and I want an example of hypocrisy to make my argument stronger.

    Fun fact, I live in the county of Shropshire; Telford is also in Shropshire, been a pretty depressing week.

  • ironwolf56
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:54pm

    Not So Fun Fact: Ex post facto law (i.e. being charged with a crime if you did something that used to be legal when it was legal but is later made illegal) is forbidden by the US Constitution but not protected under UK (and most of Europe) law!

    I felt it was germane to this discussion because if you posted something like "I really don't like the ideas of (political party)" online now and one of those countries 10 years from now decides that whatever you have against the ideals of (political party) is hate speech, well guess what...

  • U-M-P
    8 points Mar 21,2018, 1:55pm

    Well i'm gonna be marched to the gallows -_-

  • Bacon_Kitteh9001
    4 points Mar 21,2018, 5:32pm

    let's stop calling it Britain and call it what it actually is:

    AIRSTRIP ONE

  • Aesidius
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 3:55pm

    I'm sure every other totalitarian militia force thought they would last forever too.

  • bachelorpartydude
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 4:02pm

    I want off this ride, holy shit

  • Crazy_Kakoos
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 4:26pm

    What'll they do if I say some crazy shit from across the pond?

  • tutoredzeus
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 4:28pm

    The internet was fun while it lasted.

  • tomme25
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 5:18pm

    They really want to be hated right?

  • Brimshae
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 5:48pm

    Nothing like censorship via intimidation.

  • tnr123
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:02pm

    So glad I left UK...This is beyond disgusting...

  • feared_rear_admiral
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:12pm

    Shit man, spoken like a true fascist.

  • spiderfam
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:24pm

    I’m a Scot. Police Scotland have over the last few years been centralised. All our regional police have been amassed under one central, state operation by our nationalist government. More plain clothes policing, more unmarked cars and more aggressive, Orwellian oppression on social media. Slippery slope and one I am voting against.

    Important to say I fully support Scottish Police Officers and am voting in a way that I feel supports that.

  • bat_mayn
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:28pm

    What you post now can affect you later in life.

    Self-awareness levels critical

  • bloodguard
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:49pm

    Holy crap! There really is a cyberpolice that's going to backtrace us?

    We done goofed! Consequences will never be the same!


    Good grief, Scotland. You need William Wallace now more than ever.

  • SithKain
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:51pm

    Yeah righto Scotland police you smug cunts. What about prince Harry dressed as a Nazi?

  • NoPantsBaby
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:55pm

    These fuckers going to apply the law retroactively soon.

  • Datguyagain201
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:57pm

    Has this idiot ever heard of VPNs?

  • Dravous
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 7:44pm

    to the police: you should remember you said that.

  • glennis1
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 8:04pm

    I w9nder if they would post this so confidently if the people were allowed to form a well-regulated militia....

    Probably. Even our (america) cops say some stupid shit like this.

    But fuck scotland PD. You should be more busy trying to bust up rape gangs in that part of the world.

  • randCN
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 8:14pm

    I guess Jessi Slaughter's dad really did get the last laugh by finally getting around to contacting the Cyber Police.

    Consequences will never be the same.

  • TheMormanTrump
    4 points Mar 21,2018, 5:04pm

    But muslim terrorists and rapists are a-okay, but don't you dare make a joke...

  • kibbledbits
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 4:58pm

    Great Britain was never great

  • the_settlements
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 5:35pm

    I wonder how many people outside of Scotland are trolling the Scotland police after this Twitter post?

  • samuelgia
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 6:23pm

    Give me that damm twitter link, want to do pugjoke!

  • LateralusYellow
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 6:31pm

    So I guess all the Scottish enlightenment Scots sailed to the new world?

  • red_matrix
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 7:39pm

    Is this the Ministry of Truth?

  • CC3940A61E
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 8:19pm

    good to see literally no other crime has happened so they're able to devote even a minute to this.

  • Badenoch
    8 points Mar 21,2018, 2:02pm

    I'm ashamed to be a Scotsman right now. Looking forward to Indy when we can get rid of these English cucks.

  • telios87
    5 points Mar 21,2018, 2:51pm

    I don't use Twitter. Is sending them insults via email acceptable?

  • deleted
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 4:14pm

    [removed]

  • bat32391
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 6:11pm

    What a bunch of fags.

  • LeBlight
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 5:16pm

    People are crazy if they think it can't happen here in the States.

  • mnemosyne-0001
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 1:54pm

    Archive links for this post:


    I am Mnemosyne reborn. I fight for the Users! /r/botsrights

  • mnemosyne-0002
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 2:30pm
  • FyreLyon
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 6:43pm

    This is what happens when we are governed by the rule of emotion instead of the rule of law.

  • PessimisticPaladin
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 6:44pm

    I'm happy my ancestors didn't stay in Scotland. Not sure when they got out but it seems a good idea nevertheless.

  • pepolpla
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 6:45pm

    Big brother is watching motherfuckers! You better watch out!

  • princess_y_fronts
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 6:50pm

    Life in Scotland must be pretty safe/good/chill if this is the kind of crime that the police are concerning themselves with.

  • sososomanythrowaways
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 7:18pm

    Trolling, cunts.

  • notimeforname
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 7:27pm

    People should go all in on this. What about ugly people? Short? Poor? Anime fans? Like ask them is it ok to "hate" based on that? Soccer teams? Can I hate on someone for liking a certain team? Is that a hate crime and why not?

  • Rahrahsaltmaker
    -22 points Mar 21,2018, 3:11pm

    So fucking what? #endclickbait

    If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

    It's a fair warning. Hopefully it makes a few retards think twice before ruining their own lives.

    "When I said all Brown kids should be raped and then burned alive 8 months ago I was in a bad place. I'm not that person any more!"

    The powers and the laws aren't inherently bad. The proof is in the eating with how they're enforced.

COMMENTS

  • lucben999
    136 points Mar 21,2018, 2:30pm

    I see you don't have a licence to link the actual tweet, so here it is:

    https://twitter.com/policescotland/status/976490843791126528

  • whoisjohncleland
    341 points Mar 21,2018, 1:55pm

    This very Orwellian message just popped up on the twitter account for Police Scotland - ominous indeed. The double-down is real.

    Also, I thought that porn was going to be filtered in the U.K.? I ask because they are getting pooned pretty hard in the replies.

  • GregariousWolf
    108 points Mar 21,2018, 4:34pm

    https://twitter.com/policescotland/status/974620905572880384

    Today we are launching a campaign on #HateCrime. Be #GreaterThanAHater and report any incidents of hate crime by calling 101 or 999 in an emergency.

    Back in my day, telling someone to call the internet police was a joke.

  • brappablat
    135 points Mar 21,2018, 2:10pm

    Here's to this specific tweet being used against the Scottish Police in the near future, as well as the intern who tweeted it.

  • GregariousWolf
    52 points Mar 21,2018, 4:57pm

    Rowan Atkinson: we must be allowed to insult each other (from 2012)

    He criticised the "new intolerance" as he called for part of it the Public Order Act to be repealed, saying it was having a "chilling effect on free expression and free protest".

    Mr Atkinson said: "The clear problem of the outlawing of insult is that too many things can be interpreted as such. Criticism, ridicule, sarcasm, merely stating an alternative point of view to the orthodoxy, can be interpreted as insult."

  • flybydeath
    93 points Mar 21,2018, 2:29pm

    Well at least they are getting shit on by everyone outside Scotland. People taking the piss out of them publicly really undermines their tough guy attitude. It just demonstrates how powerless they are on a world wide platform.

  • tenttable
    41 points Mar 21,2018, 3:29pm

    PICK

    UP

    THAT

    CAN

  • ThatDeviantOne
    105 points Mar 21,2018, 2:02pm

    I swear this sounds like the sort of thinking that people should be punished for whatever thing they said online even many years later. Well excuse people for not being "woke" at 12 years old when first get online.

    It reminds me when the Justice Democrats kicked out Cenk Uygur because of stupid shit he said like 20 years ago despite him no longer standing by that. This type of thinking basically means you're forever guilty even if what might not had been so bad back then suddenly becomes bad in the future.

  • Wylanderuk
    25 points Mar 21,2018, 3:32pm

    As a scot in my forties I remember a time when something like this would have generated a response of "ah away fuck yerself you fucking wanker", and quite possibly less polite versions...

  • Elvick
    30 points Mar 21,2018, 2:51pm

    lol, their last picture they shared is victim blaming victims of robbery.

    Don’t gift thieves an opportunity! Criminals are opportunists and may take advantage of poor security. #DontDropYourGuard ensure your windows and doors are locked securely when leaving your home even if you are only leaving for a short time.

    Sounds an awful lot like "targeting someone who is different from you." So because they want to leave their windows open and their door open, they deserve to be targeted by police for shame? Shameful display!

    This image says it all. They're infringing on freedom while treating us all like children. Glad to not live in Scotland, but it's not much better elsewhere either.

  • AntonioOfVenice
    91 points Mar 21,2018, 1:57pm

    Fascist pigs. Everyone in countries that aren't shitholes (or shitholes to a lesser degree, like my country) should hurt the feelings of these pathetic losers in the Scottish police force.

  • damadfaceinvasion
    13 points Mar 21,2018, 4:30pm

    12 years ago Anonymous would have fucked their shit up for doing some shit like that. What the hell happened. Why aren't there pro free speech hacker groups?

  • mousefu
    12 points Mar 21,2018, 3:46pm

    From the Uk where a guy was sentenced to 12 months for throwing bacon at a mosque then just so happened to die in prison Here

  • Masakari666
    12 points Mar 21,2018, 5:06pm

    They are getting absolutely destroyed on twitter, its been so savage its almost funny.

  • jlenoconel
    10 points Mar 21,2018, 3:17pm

    They're getting trolled massively now lol. They can't go after everyone. How pathetic are our police that they go after people saying "offensive" stuff rather than actual criminals?

  • EdgyCynic
    33 points Mar 21,2018, 3:16pm

    How did it come to this, and why does it seem like no one in the country is fighting back?

    How did they go from Churchill and Thatcher to... this, and under a Tory government (allegedly the “””conservative””” party)?

    The mind boggles.

  • cactusjack-
    10 points Mar 21,2018, 4:09pm

    Great Britain is fucking dead

  • Aurondarklord
    18 points Mar 21,2018, 2:58pm

    The UK has legitimately become a police state.

  • centrum5555
    8 points Mar 21,2018, 2:35pm

    what is the limitation of liability in time for going against the communication act anyway?

    not that i as a non britan citizen am very concerned, given we have no such thing as an 'anti offense law' but i would still be interested.

  • SsaEborp
    15 points Mar 21,2018, 2:18pm

    Shit like this is why I switched all my social media profiles to London, Berlin, etc.

  • AvenCycle
    8 points Mar 21,2018, 3:14pm

    “Always eyes watching you and the voice enveloping you. Asleep or awake, indoors or out of doors, in the bath or bed- no escape. Nothing was your own except the few cubic centimeters in your skull.”

  • AyyyGreens
    6 points Mar 21,2018, 3:19pm

    We’re the cyber police, we’re going to backtrace you. Consequences will never be the same!

  • bastion72
    7 points Mar 21,2018, 3:46pm

    Reminds me off a political cartoon with a bunch of cops with their batons out looking at a crowd of people and announcing "You wouldn't believe what's illegal today."

  • Keanu_Reeves_real
    8 points Mar 21,2018, 4:31pm
  • CantripFiesta
    5 points Mar 21,2018, 3:21pm

    I can't help but feel these messages are just bait for people to reveal their wrongthink in disagreement. When there are none left that can or will take the bait, mission accomplished, utopia achieved.

  • brixtonslag
    5 points Mar 21,2018, 3:35pm

    Americans are still free to give them a piece of their minds, anyway. There is that, I suppose.

  • Alcohol-freealcohol
    5 points Mar 21,2018, 6:20pm

    Yo, Police Scotland, my dick called. It's throwing a party and your mouth's been chosen as suitable candidate for the venue.

  • gabrielmodesta
    10 points Mar 21,2018, 3:19pm

    Everything they say is actually 100% true. The exception is the "same rules apply" stuff will be very locale-dependent, but everything else is factually accurate.

    Still would prefer not to see this sort of thing from a police department of all places though. It's not so much that they're wrong, it's just that I wish police would focus on more important issues, like maybe the child rape epidemic in the UK, constant coverups of same, and leave the raising of children to their parents.

  • VenomWolfe
    5 points Mar 21,2018, 2:04pm

    Mel Gibson is spinning in his "FREEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!" 's pretend grave.

  • Graf_von_Tirol
    4 points Mar 21,2018, 3:48pm

    This has been addressed yesterday by Philip de Franco, but it's high time that this sort of thing gets addressed by a bigger voice. I am still absolutely livid that the verdict was such, and that "they'll gas entire football stadiums" has been used as a rationale to push said verdict.

  • GodotIsWaiting4U
    4 points Mar 21,2018, 4:58pm

    Police Stateland

  • Yourehan
    6 points Mar 21,2018, 4:59pm

    Well that is objectively correct, but a police account tweeting that feels extremely Orwellian, as others have said.

  • solaarus
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 5:04pm

    Does anyone have any examples of Muslims in the UK calling for violence against Jews where none of them were prosecuted. I'm going to write a letter to my local MP to protest Count Dankula's conviction and I want an example of hypocrisy to make my argument stronger.

    Fun fact, I live in the county of Shropshire; Telford is also in Shropshire, been a pretty depressing week.

  • ironwolf56
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:54pm

    Not So Fun Fact: Ex post facto law (i.e. being charged with a crime if you did something that used to be legal when it was legal but is later made illegal) is forbidden by the US Constitution but not protected under UK (and most of Europe) law!

    I felt it was germane to this discussion because if you posted something like "I really don't like the ideas of (political party)" online now and one of those countries 10 years from now decides that whatever you have against the ideals of (political party) is hate speech, well guess what...

  • U-M-P
    8 points Mar 21,2018, 1:55pm

    Well i'm gonna be marched to the gallows -_-

  • Bacon_Kitteh9001
    4 points Mar 21,2018, 5:32pm

    let's stop calling it Britain and call it what it actually is:

    AIRSTRIP ONE

  • Aesidius
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 3:55pm

    I'm sure every other totalitarian militia force thought they would last forever too.

  • bachelorpartydude
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 4:02pm

    I want off this ride, holy shit

  • Crazy_Kakoos
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 4:26pm

    What'll they do if I say some crazy shit from across the pond?

  • tutoredzeus
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 4:28pm

    The internet was fun while it lasted.

  • tomme25
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 5:18pm

    They really want to be hated right?

  • Brimshae
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 5:48pm

    Nothing like censorship via intimidation.

  • tnr123
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:02pm

    So glad I left UK...This is beyond disgusting...

  • feared_rear_admiral
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:12pm

    Shit man, spoken like a true fascist.

  • spiderfam
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:24pm

    I’m a Scot. Police Scotland have over the last few years been centralised. All our regional police have been amassed under one central, state operation by our nationalist government. More plain clothes policing, more unmarked cars and more aggressive, Orwellian oppression on social media. Slippery slope and one I am voting against.

    Important to say I fully support Scottish Police Officers and am voting in a way that I feel supports that.

  • bat_mayn
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:28pm

    What you post now can affect you later in life.

    Self-awareness levels critical

  • bloodguard
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:49pm

    Holy crap! There really is a cyberpolice that's going to backtrace us?

    We done goofed! Consequences will never be the same!


    Good grief, Scotland. You need William Wallace now more than ever.

  • SithKain
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:51pm

    Yeah righto Scotland police you smug cunts. What about prince Harry dressed as a Nazi?

  • NoPantsBaby
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:55pm

    These fuckers going to apply the law retroactively soon.

  • Datguyagain201
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 6:57pm

    Has this idiot ever heard of VPNs?

  • Dravous
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 7:44pm

    to the police: you should remember you said that.

  • glennis1
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 8:04pm

    I w9nder if they would post this so confidently if the people were allowed to form a well-regulated militia....

    Probably. Even our (america) cops say some stupid shit like this.

    But fuck scotland PD. You should be more busy trying to bust up rape gangs in that part of the world.

  • randCN
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 8:14pm

    I guess Jessi Slaughter's dad really did get the last laugh by finally getting around to contacting the Cyber Police.

    Consequences will never be the same.

  • TheMormanTrump
    4 points Mar 21,2018, 5:04pm

    But muslim terrorists and rapists are a-okay, but don't you dare make a joke...

  • kibbledbits
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 4:58pm

    Great Britain was never great

  • the_settlements
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 5:35pm

    I wonder how many people outside of Scotland are trolling the Scotland police after this Twitter post?

  • samuelgia
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 6:23pm

    Give me that damm twitter link, want to do pugjoke!

  • LateralusYellow
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 6:31pm

    So I guess all the Scottish enlightenment Scots sailed to the new world?

  • red_matrix
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 7:39pm

    Is this the Ministry of Truth?

  • CC3940A61E
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 8:19pm

    good to see literally no other crime has happened so they're able to devote even a minute to this.

  • Badenoch
    8 points Mar 21,2018, 2:02pm

    I'm ashamed to be a Scotsman right now. Looking forward to Indy when we can get rid of these English cucks.

  • telios87
    5 points Mar 21,2018, 2:51pm

    I don't use Twitter. Is sending them insults via email acceptable?

  • deleted
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 4:14pm

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  • bat32391
    2 points Mar 21,2018, 6:11pm

    What a bunch of fags.

  • LeBlight
    3 points Mar 21,2018, 5:16pm

    People are crazy if they think it can't happen here in the States.

  • mnemosyne-0001
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 1:54pm

    Archive links for this post:


    I am Mnemosyne reborn. I fight for the Users! /r/botsrights

  • mnemosyne-0002
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 2:30pm
  • FyreLyon
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 6:43pm

    This is what happens when we are governed by the rule of emotion instead of the rule of law.

  • PessimisticPaladin
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 6:44pm

    I'm happy my ancestors didn't stay in Scotland. Not sure when they got out but it seems a good idea nevertheless.

  • pepolpla
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 6:45pm

    Big brother is watching motherfuckers! You better watch out!

  • princess_y_fronts
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 6:50pm

    Life in Scotland must be pretty safe/good/chill if this is the kind of crime that the police are concerning themselves with.

  • sososomanythrowaways
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 7:18pm

    Trolling, cunts.

  • notimeforname
    1 points Mar 21,2018, 7:27pm

    People should go all in on this. What about ugly people? Short? Poor? Anime fans? Like ask them is it ok to "hate" based on that? Soccer teams? Can I hate on someone for liking a certain team? Is that a hate crime and why not?

  • Rahrahsaltmaker
    -22 points Mar 21,2018, 3:11pm

    So fucking what? #endclickbait

    If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

    It's a fair warning. Hopefully it makes a few retards think twice before ruining their own lives.

    "When I said all Brown kids should be raped and then burned alive 8 months ago I was in a bad place. I'm not that person any more!"

    The powers and the laws aren't inherently bad. The proof is in the eating with how they're enforced.