The IRS will never contact you by phone. It is always by mail.
Why would OP think that someone who is impersonating a government agency is concerned about the DoNotCall list?
FYI, most of these calls come from specific places, they use randomly generated numbers that match the area code of the person they’re calling so you’ll be more likely to answer.
Verizon will soon be offering free robocall blocking tools. Y'know, 2 years after everyone else did.
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I just read this article regarding spam calls:
IMHO this is not something the phone makers have to address but each carrier (alone or as a group). Too many different countries with different rules would make it hard to implement a go-to solution kn the phone level. I’d rather not get these calls at all than figure out what to do on my phone to ensure they are blocked.
I am glad I don’t get these kind of calls at all. Reading that you get billions of those in the US was shocking. That would totally grind my gears 😉
My Galaxy S9 (and the S7 before it) have a feature that highlights when an incoming call is suspected Spam. I think it's pulling from some kind of database but I don't know what. Obviously that's down to the Samsung dialer app.
This is in the UK by the way.
lol you think this is the phone manufacturers fault? This is the FCCs fault. Ajit Pai is busy killing net neutrality for verizon and comcast and doesn't have time to you know actually regulate.
The people trying to pull off these scams make enough money from the people they do trick to be able to more than make up for any fines they may incur, if any at all... I get the feeling scammers like that would just laugh and throw that shit in the garbage.
if you don't know the number, just answer with,
"Sheriff's Office, Fraud Division."
You don't fuck with them? If I have the time I'll get into it.
"Oh god I'm driving to an ATM right now!. -Fake car door slam- How much am I putting on this pre-paid Visa?! $300? I'm gonna put $400 just in case."
Half an hour later...
"Yeah the card number is 123456789 and the security number is 420 and I just wasted your time. Get a real job you lazy piece of shit."
Then when they start with the "Sheriffs will be at your house within the hour." bull I like to say something like "I doubt they'll all be done with your mom by then." These guys REALLY don't like you talking about their family for some reason. Seems ironic since they swindle lots and lots of older men and women into paying.
Um, phone makers have absolutely no control whatsoever over anything associated to the networks? Thats like blaming your butcher that the traffic lights are out of sync
Google pixel phones come with a call screening service that stops all telemarketers in their tracks. I get so few now that I enjoy when a telemarketer calls because I get joy at watching them listen to Google's pre-recorded answer followed by an immediate hangup when they are asked who they are and why they are calling.
P.S. if it was my doctor or something it would transcrbe their voice to text which is displayed on the screen and allows you to have Google say tell me more or hang up or report as spam or answer call.
TMobile gives a "Scam Likely" caller ID feature when these fuckers call
my favorite is when the first 6 digits match my number. i've even had some brave mfs spoof the local court number.
You know what really grinds my gears?
Folks who don't understand that phone makers are not carriers, lawmakers, or the FCC and have nothing to do with how bad actors use phone networks.
The legal solutions to call spoofing sit with our legislators and the technical solutions would be at the carrier level. Don't blame the handset when it's doing exactly what it's designed to do: receiving calls.
I live in NH and after being bombarded with spam I changed my number to a Wasilla AK number and haven't had a spam call in 2 months.
I've learned some pretty good hindi curse words. They like that.
It's not up to the "phone makers", it's up to the service providers.
I'm sure everyone would like to be on the IRS do not call list.
Try to audit me now, suckas!😂
I get 5-10 calls a day from various scams (normally closer to the 5 number, not trying to be dramatic). IRS, student loan debt, credit card interest, theres a judgement against me somewhere. The latest is some robotic voice leaving voicemails that says "do not call list" and that's it.
To the point where I pretty much never answer my phone anymore. Truthfully, it got worse AFTER I realized I wasn't on the list and added myself on it last year.
My phone will tell me if it is a suspected scam call;
(although that could be my phone company)
It's not the phone makers, but the carriers. AT&T just partnered with an anti-spam developer, and rebranded the app to something AT&T. Now it blocks spam and spoofing from the carrier level. I get far less calls per day now. And it's free. Though there are some features you can add for a small cost. I don't recall what they were offhand.
As others have said the Indian call center doesn't care about US law / do not call lists.
The most effective way I've found to be removed from their call list is to waste their time. If you have 5-15 minutes to spare pretending to fall for their scam and then calling them names / a scammer will likely get them to remove you because it's in their best interest (their pay is heavily commission based and they don't want you to hurt their earning potential again in the future).
Plus you get the added bonus of annoying the annoying person. It was funny to me because they can get quite upset, (a lot of "f your mother's were thrown at me") and payback always feels good.
After doing this 3-4x late last year they stopped calling... I kind of miss my Indian friends now.
I used to get calls from Arizona numbers (I live in the South East). They would all be someone talking in an intense voice saying that I am wanted by the court system in Arizona (a state I have never been in) for traffic violations. And if I did not pay a $300 fine online within the next 24 hours, my house would be raided.
I use the RoboKiller app and it stops almost all of it. I have it set to play a recording to waste the callers time. 30 bucks a year but it’s been well worth it.
Don't blame the phone makers, this is an American problem. Never have robocall spam here, we have regulations. This requires a functioning government.
Waste their time. Put a toddler on the phone. Don’t give them any personal information but take up their time on the phone for as long as you can.
They have numbers they have to hit. When they don’t, their bosses aren’t happy with them. And the time you spend on the phone with them is another 50 calls they can’t make.
The newest version of Android (9.0) will say "suspected spam call" on some of those. It's a nice feature.
I have AT&T Call Protect (I think that's what it's called) and it's amazing how many calls it blocks. Clearly robo calls as I have seen 15-16 calls back to back about 10 seconds apart. Guess they thought brute force would get past it?
Not just that, but the quality of audio is still fucking terrible. I listen to some radio talk shows in the UK and quite often people have to be taken off because the sound is so fucking muffled. Even the ones they leave on are terrible.
About 10 years ago, I was getting lots of telemarketing calls, most were fake, plus the Indian guys claiming to be calling from "Windows" and saying my computer has a virus.
I then got one from this jack hole from Florida. I asked him to not call any more and I hung up. He called me back immediately and started taunting me, that he was going to keep calling and calling and there wasn't anything I could do.
I called my phone company (Bell Canada) and complained about my experiences and especially the last. They said "yeah, it's bad isn't it. There is nothing we can do"
Fuck you, you are the fucking phone company! Do something, anything. But no, they just shrug". Worse was, they said I could have the number blocked for a certain cost per month.
One of the reasons I cancelled my land line a year or two later and swear to never be a bell customer ever again.
Stop picking up the calls. If some one is trying to get in touch with you they will leave a message or call back. If you stop picking up they will stop calling in time.
There's a real simple solution to this - don't answer a call from a number you don't recognize.
Get a pixel it answers suspected spam calls for you and blocks them if it's spam
Just waste their time. Nothing pisses them off more than finding out someone isn't actually in front of a computer and is completely fucking with them.
I used to get scam called all the time. Then I started just wasting their time. My record is 30 minutes. My favorite is them rage quiting after my "Firefox and duck duck go" crashed for the 4th time and I started laughing.
Well considering those calls are probably the majority of their customer-base at this point I can see why.
I don't even bother answering my phone anymore. 95% of calls i get are spam.
Phone makers? It's the telecom companies who have control over call routing and decide what to connect and what to drop.
It's actually quite hard to stop number spoofing due to the way the phone system works. This isn't on phone manufacturers, this is on the designers of the telephone system....which was...actually I'm not sure but it was a very long time ago and they likely didn't think that would ever happen at the tim
Android is actually doing quite a bit to combat spam and scam calls. The problem is, there's nothing they can do about Caller ID spoofing, because that happens outside the phone and the Caller ID system is notoriously easy to manipulate.
spectrum has a "spam call" block..if its a known spam number...it rings once..and autohangs up on them..my phone never rings more then once anymore..and i never get up...best thing spectrum has EVER done.
If its actually important, you'll get it in the mail.
Call the whaaambulance!
Imagine a time without caller ID, without mobile phones, without do not call lists, when message systems were in their infancy & not widespread.
Call centers would call you Monday or Tuesday during traditional dinner times. You didn’t know if the person calling was selling life insurance, a friend, job related, or an update on a dying relative.
I have this app called Hiya on my iPhone. It seems to do a pretty good job of blocking Spam, neighbor and other kinds of calls. I use the free version and it seems to work well.
r/kitboga maybe your new hero.
That would be like Ford doing anything about poor maintained roads or aggressive drivers.
My Galaxy S7 let's me know if it suspects a call of being spam so I haven't picked up a spam/telemarketer call in years.
Except they do... You can block number and even have potential spam number show up as potential spam.
Well the phone makers and carriers are different companies, makers can't fix it, carriers don't give a fuck or even want to not fix it. So that's where the problem is.
AT&T does. Just go into your account and turn it on.
I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned, but YouMail for Android is great for blocking robo calls. It has auto updated spam lists and you can set your own list of blocked numbers. All blocked callers receive a "number out of service" recording and they can't leave a voicemail.
On a side note, these scammers are ruthless when it comes to retrying from spoofed numbers! I get a lot of student loan and insurance scam calls.
My phone has a decent chance of predicting spam calls, but it seems to be getting worse at it.Dunno if the caller's are getting better at hiding their number or what, but it's missed the 5 calls about changing my energy provider in the past week.
AT&T has started to have some calls automatically come up as “AT&T Alert: Telemarketer” for me. They definitely don’t get all of them, but I see it pop up a couple times a week.
Why have all the robo calls stopped since the government shutdown started?
Also the QUALITY of phone calls has not improved
bro i always get those calls
I think there is a lot about your complaint that you don’t quite understand.
Well, there is a difference between who makes/sells phones, and who makes/sells cellular services. A lot of that shit can be done at the service provider level but isn't. They make money either way, and have no incentive to do anything about scammers, especially as most of them aren't even near the network you're on, or probably aren't even in the same nation as you.
Because they are mostly off shore, law enforcement finds it almost impossible to deal with, or it takes too much effort to bother with, like they might have to pick up the phone and talk to another nation's police force to get more info.
Canada's RCMP was recently more or less dragged kicking and screaming into dealing with Indian authorities to deal with a rash of fake Canada Revenue phone calls coming from India. Indian police were doing some work on it, RCMP just couldn't be bothered until public outrage reached a certain level.
On top of that, every time a new security measure is implemented by anyone, the scammers have already found a workaround to keep doing what they do. It's like CD security back in the 90s and 2000s, it would take a second for a pirater to bypass a security feature and copy the disk. The technology is different, but the motivation is the same.
That's the problem with the do not call list. There doesn't seem to be much enforcement of it. I put myself on it, and saw no noticeable change in the number of spam calls. At first I was reporting every number, but it didn't make a difference or stop it. Now it almost seems not worth the time. I block numbers, but just get called from different ones.
Truecaller exists for a reason guys. Use it.
Bruh bloatware is how they make their money
True. My phone does more than i could ever need it to, yet the phone part of the smartphone seems wholly neglected.
Get Robocall for iPhone. Works great for me
Due to the partial US government shut down the DO NOT CALL REGISTRY (DNCR) is currently offline. You can review the official statement on - https://www.donotcall.gov/. What every major "SPAM" call center does is perform an API call against the service above, if it returns positively then you don't get the call (because it would put them at a liability of $11,000 per call they make), if there is no hit or response then they can document they made their best effort. With the service being down it is currently returning an error due to the shut down.
What this means to us is that the DNCR does not return thus all numbers are open to receive calls with no penalty. Until the government services come back online this will continue.
Source: I wrote the programming adapter to the DNCR many years ago
Report them all to the FCC on the do not call list website.
I haven't gotten spam calls in weeks from unknown numbers. The only one that's been calling me relentlessly is Spectrum, trying to get me to upgrade and unfortunately, I can't report them.
There's even a place to report spoofed numbers.
The problem with the Do Not Call List is that it is only really enforceable against US companies. For everyone else it's just a call list.
This has less to do with the manufacturer and more to do with the service provider and FCC.
Companies that make phones have nothing to do with this.
Got one of these the other day. Entertained myself by asking if I could pay my dues with pizza and other random stuff.
I get many of these every day. One of them was from my brother's old number. Most of the rest are "from" (I'm assuming the from number is or can be faked) closed local businesses. Like I'm wondering why some closed antiques store is calling me.
this is one of the reasons why I'm really glad that we retained our number since we moved from California, everybody that I know from that area code I have in my phone book so I know that everything coming from that area code and that prefix is a spoof and I just don't answer. Even the stuff that pops up with a name. I also know that anything coming in from my current area code is stuff that really needs answered.
I relate on a spiritual level
I called them back. Played along for about an hour before they realized I was fucking with them. I kept calling back until they blocked my number, so I called them back with my partner’s cell phone, the work cell phone, office phone, somebody else’s office phone. Eventually you don’t get any calls from them ever again.
Write that number down. Report it to the FCC (once the gov shut down is over. If ever ...) and continue to do that. There is little one can do to prevent these scam calls but reporting them is the best retaliation.
Unfortunately becouse of the way the law is written in alot of places even if the phone company knew what call where spam they are not allowed to block them.
Phone company's mush put though all calls. You could imagine what a nightmare it would be if they could pick and chose what people got to conect calls.
I get calls from unknown numbers. I let them go to voicemail, but they hang up. Now I have to write down the number, or try to memorize it on one screen so I can type it in to search google. There should be a button on the missed call screen for "Search This Number in Google."
This is likely due to the shutdown - no FEC or FCC currently to enforce no call list or robocalls.
I hardly ever get any calls from the goofballs. Perhaps it is because I didn't let my phone company list my number in the first place.
The Google Pixel 3 let's you screen your calls and then block the spam numbers. I hardly get any robo call now, and if I do I just let me Google Assistant talk to them
I am kinda annoyed about this.Not by the calls, but by the idea people have about this.
I know that it's a big problem, I understand it's annoying and when fraud is commited, it should be able to bring the person to court.
BUT from a technical perspective:
It is not possible to stop that.
The feature is called CLIR, it manipulates the callers number and you can basically pick anything. Literally.
CLIP (note the P instead of the R) should work around this, but it does not.
CLIRIGN or CLIRO: This method tells someone who uses a CLIR that you do not take calls with a CLIR, but usually this is done on the phone system of a call center, valid or fraudulent. The individual cannot change it. While this would stop the annoying call center fraudster, the many many companies using CLIR will also be affected by this.
If you send a notebook to be RMAd by CompanyX, the callcenter wont be able to call you. And you probably wont get a call as they care too little (too busy) to actually disable this feature just for a single person.
Let alone: THE PHONE MANUFACTURER HAS NO VOICE IN THIS WHOLE SCENARIO!
You don't call Nissan when your car broke down, just because the gas station you recently frequented bought some shady diesel from this russian guy with 11 fingers.
Block the numbers. At first it seems futile, but after awhile you do notice less.
I mean, google has a really good system for flagging spam, and I'd say 9/10 spam calls are flagged as such
but they're not magicians.
The IRS isn’t even open because of the government shutdown lol
I was on a text message last week with 52 other numbers.. all had the same area code as me and the first 5 numbers were the same as my number while the last 2 were different... I think it's some weird AI shit. It's really starting to get old.
Wait, so you're saying that scammers aren't abiding by the "do not call list" rules? Shocking.
Don't do jack
I, too, have had calls from the "IRS" who seem to be ignorant to the fact that I'm British and live in Britain and have never stepped foot on American soil.
Tmobile is pretty nice. Just about every single scam call I get pops up as "Scam Likely". I could probably set it to mute the calls but sometimes I'll answer it just to mess with them. Its pretty funny when they realize im wasting their time
I feel this so much. I'm on call for work 24/7 and have 3 phones forwarded to my cell when the office is closed. Needless to say my phone goes off constantly and I have to answer every single call.
But the new phone doesn't fit the old charger.
Google Pixel 3 has call screening now, so I basically never deal with spam anymore. It's the best feature of my phone tbh.
The real truth is that Verizon and FCC could easily work together to start enforcing updates to our out dated phone systems to stop this mess. But they don't want to because that costs money.
And the double truth is that currently they MAKE money off robo call that goes through their system. So they have no incentive to really improve. Because the FCC won't make them.
Your grinding gears are misdirected. It's really not the phone manufacturers who would be responsible, more the telecom carrier who would have more proximate responsibility
Your anger is in the wrong place. You should be mad at the shit heads in charge of the FCC that aren't tracking down and charging these people.
This is like blaming Ford because there are other bad drivers on the road.
Isnt this also on the Carrier?
PHONE MAKERS RELEASE NEW AND EXPENSIVE PRODUCTS BUT DON'T DO JACK TO STOP NUMBER SPOOFING, SPAM CALLING, AND TELEMARKETERS
Just to make sure you understand what's going on here... The phone makers (Apple, Motorola, Samsung, etc.) have no control over things like that. They aren't even really controlled by the phone providers (Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, etc.). Number spoofing, spam calling, and telemarketing are all regulated by the FCC. If you don't like dealing with that shit, call your representatives and tell them to get the FCC to do its job.
I haven't had an IRS call yet, but I have 3 different calls that have targeted me.
A charity I've never heard of that pretends to accidentally call the wrong number, then just says "oh maybe you can help me" and begs for donations when I tell them there is no Robert at this number.
A generic credit card offer that has given me a "final notice" more times than I can count.
And the worst is a back brace scam. Every one of their calls is just a recording that says "do not hang up. We recently received a request for information regarding relief of chronic pain and we're calling to offer you a medical grade back brace at little or no cost to you. Press 1 to be transferred to a representative or press 5 to be placed on the do not call list." I have never even googled chronic pain before, I have pressed 5 dozens of times, and I have blocked maybe 20 different numbers.
All 3 of those just spoof a different number every time I block them. What exactly makes them think I will change my mind about buying their shit if they call me enough times?
I use Mr Number and it shows me if the number has been reported as spam or telemarketing and will outright block high confidence spam so my phone doesn't ring at all. It doesn't do much for spoofed numbers which is annoying but it's better than nothing.
This is like blaming putting a Creed album in your CD player and then getting mad at LG because the music sucks. Phone makers have almost no control over who uses their products. You want to complain to the network providers (AT&T, Verizon) who make billions while offering crappy service, and the FCC (which is now effectively controlled by network providers).
That's why I've started answering the calls and going through the menus to get to talk to a real person, and just get real stupid with them, make it obvious that I know it's a scam. My scam calls have went down significantly.
Getting bothered by a robot? Try this:
Go to YouTube, and bookmark a video that has fax machine tones on it, like this one...
The next time you recognize the offending number calling, play the noise into the phone. The robot will assume this is a dedicated fax line, and drop you from its list.
Phone makers don't control the network. Carriers do.
Pixels actually have a feature that allows you to screen calls. It's fucking boss.
You can download an app to stop spam calls. I haven’t had a single spam calls in the 4 months since I downloaded mine. I’m on iOS and my is called “Hiya”, my wife is on iOS and has one from AT&T.
I get multiple calls a day from north San Diego County for solar.
Also, there is this lady that is giving out my number as her own for insurance and car quotes. Get your shit together Lisa from Madera
I just report any texts and calls to the "report as spam" option on my phone. Instantly I get a response from T-Mobile, saying thanks for the spam report.
Well duh they already sold your number to everyone they can think of
I mean when the callers are in no way in the us, what can American based telecoms do? How would you want this to be stopped? This is a much easier thing to complain about then finding a solution.
Gotta waste their time and annoy them, so they won’t want to call you. Do not call lists aren’t really that enforceable with these shady companies.
Just get to the sales rep and waste their time. Make the sales rep flag you as someone that they don’t want to call.
It's cuz the FCC won't let me be
I was reading something the other about this and how the US government shutdown is the factor in the increase of calls, there is a lot of news articles about if search
At least on the iPhone you can block callers. Ultimately the phone can’t stop someone from being able to call you though. The phone can stop you from being notified that the blocked number attempted to call you.
For you to achieve what you want, which is for spam calls to not be able to call you at all, your carrier would have to have a service that would prevent the call from going to your device all together.
To be fair, the actual IRS is exempt from the national do not call list.
As are legitimate survey/research companies.
You know what grinds my gears?
Groups who have no hand in or control over a problem, and yet still try to mitigate it being treated as if they were responsible and guilty because OP has a poor understanding of the world.
i always like to pretend i'm having sex when someone goes on the phone
That’s the worst part of looking for a new job for me so far; I have to answer all of those spam calls because you never know.
Are you using an Android? Lot of Xiaomi phones seem to be doing this. You put your sim in them and suddenly everyone starts calling.
You could also be getting more spam calls of late due to the government shutdown. The Federal Trade Commission regulates the Do Not Call registry and they are furloughed.
This is why google screening is the best
It's your fault.
Don't put your number out there and they won't call you.
I get 0 unsolicited calls per month.
Tell em you are filing a police report for harassment. I don’t get those calls anymore
Get Huawei. It's old technology
Google's pixel let's you screen calls
Well, it IS a confession...
downvote any meme that is about memes.
Lol, this totally feels like a First World Problem. Quick, make another one and reap the karma!!
I have a similar problem, my wallet won't close because of all the money in it.
Did you switch the settings. Gm products work
Mine work. Check your settings.
Classic good thing /bad thing penguin
My 2018 Honda Accord will if it was turned on when the car was previously used.
A Superb Owl Box. https://i.imgur.com/jzn9ECQ.jpg
/r/superbowl is a subreddit about Superb Owls. However, this time of year they get a lot of sports fans mistaking it for a subreddit about a certain American sporting event...
my best guess is a strange phrase for "television"
fairly sure that's incorrect.
Probably referring to a private box (private room with seating and drinks, etc) at the stadium during the super bowl to watch the game in style
They were in red states, where the state income tax is always low, since their state funding is subsidized from federal taxes from blue state residents.
That's what the standard deduction is for.
I realized they just capped it to a very small amount but it is effectively getting rid of it
As opposed to literally everyone else? I'm a veteran, doesn't mean I give a shit about veterans day.
Thanks to MLK day I dint get paid so....
Last year I hurt my arm snowboarding (dislocated shoulder). So I couldn't go up on the roof and take down my christmas lights. March rolled around and the neighbour stopped me one day and said its probably time to take those lights down. I explained to her that I couldn't go on the roof (My arm was actually still in the sling). Then I proceeeded to turn the lights on every night for two weeks.
I’m triggered. My mother has asked me every time I call her for last two weeks if I’ve done this.
Tell my husband. Baby jesus is cold in the crib.
I thought Valentine's Day was the cut-off.
You could just stop paying
Just tell her you like emo and butch hair cuts...
Really butchering the meme here
Yeah my boyfriend doesn’t really brush his hair (it’s not super long so it’s not always necessary) and every time he showers it starts to clog the drain because the loose hairs come off with the water. I have short hair too but I brush my hair so it’s not a problem.
Invest in a tubshroom before your shower gets clogged
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